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honesttalk21:
I believe one of my brothers; I think Explore2more, told you this many months ago.

The verse Surah Al-Tawbah (9:31) in the Quran. It refers to the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) who have taken their rabbis and monks as lords instead of Allah. The verse also mentions that they have been commanded to worship one God only, but they have taken Jesus as God besides Allah.


This verse is believed to have been revealed in the context of the hypocrites in Medina who were not fully committed to Islam. They were still holding onto some of their old beliefs and practices, including reverence for their religious leaders and Jesus. The verse emphasizes that Allah alone is worthy of worship and that taking any other being as a lord or deity besides Him is a grave sin.

While monks, rabbis, and Jesus are respected for their roles in their respective religions, Muslims do not consider them to be divine or worthy of worship. They are seen as individuals who have been given a special role in their communities but are not deities themselves.

This is according to the consensus of your scholars and is different from the text of Qur'an 9:31

What Allah says in the Qur'an was:

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides (instead of) Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

Who is more important : Allah or your scholars?

AntiChristian:
Did Paul ever met Jesus?

And following your Logic, did Jesus ever met any of the Prophets before to have commented about them?

You beat the drum, please dance to it.

Did Mohammed meat anyone who met Jesus even in passing?
At least Paul met ALL the Apostles of Jesus except Judas!

BTW:
Why did you run away from my post to you? You got tongue tied? You designed it in such a way that I wouldn't respond to it but vola: I cleaned it up for you.
SMH1

AntiChristian:
It was Paul that never met Jesus wrote that letter! Where did Jesus tell him all that?
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But it makes sense that Mohammed who nor his generations ever met Jesus was teaching about Him!?

It surely makes sense!

I guess that this is what Allah intended to say

Qur'an 9:31 :
"They took their Rabbis , and Monks AND the Messiah the son of Mary as Lords other than Allah.
أَخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَرْبَابًا مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ


Isn't it?

honesttalk21:
Was Arabic not the language of the Arabians in Arabia at the time Muhammad pbuh preached.

Did they have interactions with people from other places who were not native Arabic speakers? Did these people translate their beliefs from another to Arabic? Probably so.

You are free to practice your belief as it is yours just don't mandate or force it on others.

Live and let live

No one can force anyone to do anything with respect to religion or faith and that cannot be my intention.

But I will be a wicked human being if I know the truth and withhold my knowledge which is able to save others from the deception of satan.

Most Muslims are sincere, but such is true about anyone who invested his money in a scam business.

Prov 14:12
There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

I truly invite you to the Messiah for your salvation!


Can we stop here now?
The Truth you adopt will always set you free!

honesttalk21:
You are the one who needs hundreds of books to understand it.

Despite the similarities Arabic vocabulary is largely derived from triliteral roots, where patterns of consonants convey meaning. It has a complex system of verb conjugation and noun declension which is the case displayed in this verse that you are grossly ignorant of. Hebrew doesn't have the complex system of verb conjugation.

Surah Al-Tawbah in the verse 9:31 in the Quran refers to the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) who have taken their rabbis and monks as lords instead of Allah. The verse also mentions that they have been commanded to worship one God only, but they have taken Jesus as God besides Allah.

This verse is revealed in the context of the hypocrites in Medina who were not fully committed to Islam. They were still holding onto some of their old beliefs and practices, including reverence for their religious leaders and Jesus. The verse emphasizes that Allah alone is worthy of worship and that taking any other being as a lord or deity besides Him is a grave sin.

Are you saying that Allah took the most complex ambiguous language Arabic to convey to mankind his will instead of simpler easily comprehensible language like Hausa or Swahili or even English language !?



With all the exegesis of the language you just did for yourself, you still find it convenient to spew out falsehood.

Check your quote highlighted for you in yellow. I have completed it for you

Surah Al-Tawbah in the verse 9:31 in the Quran refers to the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) who have taken their rabbis and monks as lords instead of Allah AND the Messiah, son of Mary.


It was obviously an ERROR in the Qur'an which I can correct for Allah and you Muslims as



The Correction of Qur'an 9:31 :
"They took their Rabbis , and Monks AND the Messiah the son of Mary as Lords other than Allah.
أَخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَرْبَابًا مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ


Is this not better if this is what Allah intend to say?

Too bad for the perfect Qur'an!




Can we stop here now?
The Truth you adopt will always set you free!

honesttalk21:
Translation of “مِن دُونِ” to “alongside”
The phrase “مِن دُونِ” in Arabic can be translated to “alongside” in English. However, it is important to note that the context of the sentence plays a significant role in determining the most accurate translation.

Understanding the phrase “مِن دُونِ”
The phrase “مِن دُونِ” is composed of two words: “مِن” (min) and “دُونِ” (duni). The word “مِن” is a preposition that is often translated to “from” or “of,” while “دُونِ” is also a preposition that can be translated to “without.” Together, these words are used to indicate a location or position that is separate from something else.

I understand your argument and to some extent I agree with it for using the word alongside rather than instead of or other than

The only problem is that
1. There is not even one English translation of the Qur'an that uses the word alongside
2. The use of the word alongside is prone to changing the meaning of the text to what is not intended.
For instance, going by your translation, the phrase

They took their teachers and professors as guides alongside Ali and the king, the son of Mary

Would mean that the subject (they) took their teachers and professors as guides/mentors IN ADDITION to Ali AND the King, the son of Mary.

This means that the use of alongside imply a more cooperative association between two groups of
1. The Teachers and the Professor
2. Ali and the king

I am sure this also is not what you intend to say.

I guess you can see why no translator of the Qur'an uses alongside to depict min dooni

honesttalk21:
Translating “مِن دُونِ” as “alongside”
In certain contexts, the phrase “مِن دُونِ” can be translated to “alongside.” This translation is most commonly used when the phrase is being used to describe two things that are physically located next to each other. For example, the sentence “السَّفِينَةُ تَجْرِي مِن دُونِ الْبَحْرِ” (Al-safīnahu tajrī min dūni al-bahr) could be translated to “The ship sails alongside the sea.”

However, it is important to note that this translation is not always accurate. In some cases, translating “مِن دُونِ” as “alongside” can change the meaning of the sentence entirely. Therefore, it is essential to consider the context of the sentence before translating this phrase.

I agree with the highlighted and of course you can see how the text has been distorted. As it is equally bad:

Your translation using besides actually encourage the Subject (they) to make as mentors the union of the Teacher, Professor, Ali and the king.

honesttalk21:
Other possible translations of “مِن دُونِ”
In addition to being translated as “alongside,” the phrase “مِن دُوńي” can also be translated to other English phrases depending on the context. For example, in some cases, it may be translated to:

Without: In some cases, the phrase “مِن دُونِ” can be translated to “without.” For example, the sentence “لا يَجِدُ حَلًا مِن دُوْنِ الْكِتَاب” (Lā yajidu ḥalāan min dūni al-kitāb) can be translated to “He cannot find a solution without the book.”
Apart from: In other cases, the phrase may be translated to “apart from.” For example, the sentence “مَا زَالَ الْعَالَمُ مَهْذُبًا مِن دُوْنِ اللّه” (Mā zāla al-ʿālamu mahdhubāan min dūni Allāh) can be translated to “The world has always been dependent on God apart from anything else.”
Except: Finally, in some cases, the phrase may be translated to “except.” For example, the sentence “قَامَ الرَّجُلُ مَرَّةً إلَّا مِن دُوْنِ الصَّاحب” (Qāma al-rajulun marraatan illa min dūni aş-ṣāḥib) can be translated to “The man stood up once except for his friend.”

Min dooni of a truth is better translated as without , apart from and except

And there are synonyms of other than or instead of

And this, I have used in translating the text as
The translation :
"They took their teachers and professors as mentors other than Ali and the king, the son of Mary."



Except if you feel that Allah expect that the Subject (they) should take their Monks and Rabbis in addition to the Messiah and Allah as Gods

honesttalk21:
Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic languages however they are not the same.

Arabic vs. Hebrew Language

Arabic and Hebrew are both Semitic languages with unique characteristics that set them apart from each other. Here are some key differences between Arabic and Hebrew:

1. Alphabet:

Arabic: The Arabic alphabet consists of 28 letters and is written from right to left. It is a cursive script, meaning that letters within a word are connected.
Hebrew: The Hebrew alphabet has 22 letters and is also written from right to left. Like Arabic, it is a cursive script with letters connected within words.

See picture.

2. Phonetics and Sounds:

Arabic: Arabic has a rich phonetic system with sounds that may be challenging for non-native speakers, such as guttural sounds like “ayn” and “ghayn”.
Hebrew: Hebrew also has unique sounds, including consonants that are pronounced differently based on their placement within a word.

3. Vocabulary and Grammar:

Arabic: Arabic vocabulary is largely derived from triliteral roots, where patterns of consonants convey meaning. It has a complex system of verb conjugation and noun declension which is the case displayed in this verse that you are grossly ignorant of.


Hebrew: Hebrew vocabulary is also rooted in triliteral roots, but its grammar differs in some aspects, such as the use of gender and number agreement.


In context is the Quran revealed in Arabic difficult to understand by native Arabic speakers of Arabia in whose language it was revealed?

Still irrelevant to the discussion as both of them Hebrew and Arabic are both semitic language which though different, but they belong to the same family and thus share many rules of Grammar, Syntax and Vocabularies together.


Again, if it is indeed true that Allah made the Qur'an simple, why do we need hundreds of books to understand it.

honesttalk21:
You always come to wrong conclusions as you try display intelligence with pride.
Was the Quran not revealed to Arabians who spoke good undiluted arabic?

Did you consult an arabic speaking expert on the verse? Obviously not. Relying on an inadequate word translation to interpret.

Produce an accepted translation of the meaning of the Quran that translates as you say.

Do you think that because your Bible is a result of multiple language translations that appear to have lost some if the core sane can be applied to the Quran.

Praise be to Allah that the Quran is most popularly available in the language of revelation; arabic, eliminating the likelihood if loosing meaning in translations.

Is it a lie that your Bible book consists of Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Syriac and English language translations?

The process of translating ancient texts like the Bible involves not only linguistic challenges but also cultural and historical ones. Certain concepts or ideas that were clear to the original audience may be difficult to convey accurately to a modern reader. This can result in a loss of some core truths or teachings present in the original text.

One common example is the use of idioms or expressions that have no direct equivalent in other languages. For instance, the phrase “the apple of my eye” in English is an idiom that means someone or something cherished above all others. Translating this directly into another language without an equivalent idiom could lead to a loss of meaning or misinterpretation.

In the study of translations from semantic languages of revelation, such as the original Hebrew and Greek texts of the Bible, to modern languages, there is a recognized challenge in accurately conveying the full depth and nuances of the original text. This challenge becomes even more pronounced when dealing with concepts that are deeply rooted in cultural and historical contexts, such as those found in religious scriptures like the Bible. One area where this issue is particularly evident is in the potential loss or distortion of core truths during the process of translation.

Mr Honesttalk21,
You seem to forget that Arabic and Hebrew are highly related linguistically.
How may times do you see a Christian hide under claims that Hebrew cannot be translated into another language.

This is a weak argument sir!

Except if Allah is a Tribal God who speaks only one language and can only be related to with one language. How is it different from Amadioha or Ogun or Sango that has to be worshipped in the local dialect.

I asked a simple question
1. Is it untrue that Allah says that the Qur'an is easy to understand?

If it is true, why do you Muslims have to reinterpete whatever Allah says to fit the consensus of your scholars?

honesttalk21:
أَخَذُوا مُعَلِّمِيهِمْ وَأُسْاتِذَتِهِمْ كَمُرَشِّدِينَ بِجَانِبِ عَلِيٍّ وَالْمَلِكِ، ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ

They took their teachers and teachers as guides alongside Ali and the king, the son of Mary

The translation :
"They took their teachers and professors as mentors other than Ali and the king, the son of Mary."
Here is your translation (modified)
They took their teachers and professors as guides alongside Ali and the king, the son of Mary

Do you agree that the word "مِن دُونِ" (min dooni= Other than) has synonyms like سوى (sawa) - Apart from OR غير (ghayr) - Other than or Instead of

The word "مِن دُونِ" (min dooni) does NOT mean alongside

Mr honesttalk21, your Arabic is better that this, why tell lies that مِن دُونِ mean alongside ?
Must you defend Islam with lies to feel good?
Your Soul is at Risk o: don't find out when it is too late!


Do you clearly see that the meaning is that:
the Subject (they) took their teachers and professors as mentors INSTEAD of taking Ali and the King the son of Mary as their Mentors


OR
Instead of the Subject(they) to take Ali and the king son of Mary as Mentors, they took their teachers and Professors as mentors

Is this interpretation above Wrong?

honesttalk21:
This statement highlights seeking guidance from knowledgeable and wise individuals in various aspects of life.

In a literal translation, the phrase speaks to the act of seeking guidance from teachers, mentors, and leaders. It emphasizes the value of learning from those who possess expertise and experience, as well as from those who hold positions of authority and influence. By positioning these figures alongside Ali and the king - symbolic of righteousness and power, respectively - the phrase suggests that true guidance comes from a combination of knowledge, wisdom, and leadership.

Metaphorically, the phrase can be interpreted as a call to align oneself with individuals who embody characteristics of guidance and direction. Whether in the realm of education, spirituality, or governance, it emphasizes the importance of surrounding oneself with mentors and leaders who can provide support and insight. By recognizing the value of seeking advice and counsel from those who possess wisdom and authority, one can navigate through life's challenges with clarity and purpose.

Now that I have translated and discussed the sentence tell me the point to it and it's relevance to this discussion

I did not ask you for all these because this is just a simple exercise in Arabic text that has no hidden meaning.

honesttalk21:
Here is the linguistic analysis and translation of the text:

ٱتَّخَذُوٓاْ أَحۡبَارَهُمۡ وَرُهۯنَهُمۡ أَرۡبَابٗا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ
They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allāh,
They have taken their rabbis as hostages to lords other than Allah.
Translation: “They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah.”
Linguistic Analysis: This part of the verse highlights the warning against elevating religious figures to a status equal to or above Allah.
وَٱلۡمَسِيحَ ٱبۡنَ مَرۯيَمَ
And the Messiah, the son of Mary
Translation: “And [they have taken] the Messiah, the son of Mary.”
Linguistic Analysis: This section refers to Jesus Christ, emphasizing that even revered figures like Jesus should not be worshipped alongside or instead of Allah.
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And they were not commanded except to worship One God
Translation: “And they were not commanded except to worship one God.”
Linguistic Analysis: This part underscores the core message of monotheism in Islam, emphasizing the worship of only one true God.
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There is no god but Him. Glory be to Him, for He forbids what they associate with Him.
Translation:
“There is no deity except Him; exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.”
Linguistic Analysis: The verse concludes by reiterating the concept of Tawhid (the oneness of God) and emphasizing Allah’s uniqueness and transcendence above any partners or associates.
In summary, this verse from the Quran serves as a reminder to uphold monotheism and worship only Allah without associating partners with Him, including revered figures like scholars, monks, or even prophets like Jesus.

1. Are you falsifying the Qur'an verses below

Quran 19:97
So We have made this (Qur'an) easy in your tongue that you may give good news to those who take heed, and warn the people who are contentious.

Qur'an 54:22
"And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember. So, is there anyone who will be mindful?"


I can see that the direct words of Allah has to be patched up with linguistic analysis before it can make sense.
Do you agree with this?

You see why I say that you Muslims believe more in the consensus of your scholars than Allah or even Mohammed.


2. There is a way I normally use to expose the Falsehood of Muslims, therefore, I challenge you to translate truthfully and accurately the Arabic text below

Can you help me to translate this Arabic text to English?
أَخَذُوا مُعَلِّمِيهِمْ وَأُسْاتِذَتِهِمْ كَمُرَشِّدِينَ بِجَانِبِ عَلِيٍّ وَالْمَلِكِ، ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ


Shaitan is still learning when Muslims tell lies to protect their Allah, Mohammed and their religion!

Afonja2000:
This my female colleague at work received a call from a female Police officer by name officer angel.

She informed her that her husband brought a complaint against her to the station and as a result her presence is required at the station.

It was when she got home tonight that the police Invitation was handed to her by a co-tenant.

Right now, she is contemplating if she should honor the invitation or not as she is not sure if the Nigerian police can be trusted.

From what I could gather concerning her and her husband is that they have been married for less than two years. The foundation of the marriage was built on lies. The husband pretended to be what he wasn't during their courtship, which unfortunately lasted less than three months.

My colleague for reasons I'm yet to understand failed to make all the necessary enquiry concerning the man she was getting married to.

The man has been married before in which the first wife died as a result of maltreatment from the man and his family members especially from his mother and his elder sisters.

My colleague saw a completely different man from what she thought that she got married to in less than a month after their white wedding.
She was always treated like a slave by her mother in law and two of her daughters with broken marriages.

The husband always accused her of having extra marital affairs with no tangible evidence to back it up and usually have her locked out of their rented apartment.

This is actually the first time she stood up to her husband and the next thing he did was to report her to the police.

Tell her to report herself at the police station AND she must go with a lawyer (for advise as she would ba asked to write a statement)

honesttalk21:
I believe some brother addressed your mistaken translation and not understanding how verbs and subjects are used or placed in Arabic sentence.

The verse correctly denotes taking scholars,monks and Jesus as God besides Allah.

Just as you want people to take you ill informed saying and poor research as the truth.

Muslims can tell lies for shaitan and even satan will blush

See the attachment below and tell me it doesn't say AND THE MESSIAH







The problem of you Muslims is that you care not a hoot about the Truth!

All these to avoid being quoted properly!?

AntiChristian:
Okay!
Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
That is, the way he saw the sun was as if it was setting in the ocean, which is something that happens to everyone who stands on the shore: he sees the sun as if it is setting into the sea, when in fact it does not leave the celestial path on which it is firmly established.
End quote from Tafseer al-Qur’an al-Kareem (5/191) So he found the people near such place!

It seems you forget that the sun always set in the horizon whether on land or on the sea.
Did Dhul qarnayn also found the people at or is it near the Horizon?



Simple questions like this is what is used to sift between truth and lies. Allah says that Dhul qarnayn found a people near the place where the sun set.

Except the people were at the horizon : is this the case?

AntiChristian:
Imam at-Tabari (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The commentators differed as to what is meant by at-taraa’ib and where they are located. Some said that the word at-taraa’ib refers to the place where the necklace goes on a woman’s chest. This was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas, ‘Ikrimah and others.

Others said that the taraa’ib is the area between the shoulders and the chest. This was narrated from Mujaahid and others among the early generation.

Yet others said that what is meant is that it emerges from between a man’s back and upper chest. This was narrated from Qataadah.

And there were other opinions which suggested that it refers to the arms, legs or eyes, or that it refers to the ribs that are below the back, or that it refers to the essence of the heart.

Then he – i.e., at-Tabari (may Allah have mercy on him) – said: The correct view concerning that, in our opinion, is the view of those who said that it is the place where the necklace goes on a woman’s chest, because that is the well-known usage in the Arabic language and in Arabic poetry.

I think you can see very clearly from your references that
The taraa’ib is used specifically in Arabic to depict the rib bones of a woman at the necklace region?

Meaning that your explanations were very off target!


Where is is the place where the necklace goes on a woman’s chest?

AntiChristian:
Yes, Prophet-King David gave birth to Prophet-King Sulaiman!

But you said that your Suleiman is NOT the same as the Solomon of the Bible.

You said :
"How is this not possible? The Solomon in the Qur'an is not same as the one in your Bible. Prophet Sulaiman was a wise man whom Allah grants the control of the Jinns and many other creatures of Allah, even the wind!

So the Jinns and creatures under his command obey him without fail and he has the authority to punish any of them. So it's very possible he died and none of them knew because they were afraid of him!"


Can you then explain how, the King David of the Bible gave birth to another Sulaiman who was a king of Israel?

AntiChristian:
The verse was revealed to stop slave prostitution!
'' Al-A`mash narrated from Abu Sufyan that Jabir said concerning this Ayah, "This was revealed about a slave-girl belonging to `Abdullah bin Ubayy bin Salul whose name was Musaykah. He used to force her to commit immoral actions, but there was nothing wrong with her and she refused.

It is not abrogated!

The verse was revealed to moderate prostitution. In other words, Allah was setting rules for prostitution for Muslims with the following rules
1. Don't force your slaves into prostitution IF your slaves do not want it.
2. However , if you Muslim men FORCE them, Allah will forgive you.

At least you are truthful that the verse isn't abrogated!

This verse gives permission for Muslim men to be Pim.ps as Allah will forgive you if you do.

Do you now agree that Allah support Prostitution?

AntiChristian:
The above verse is an order from Allaah to whoever is not able to marry to abstain from illegal sexual relations, like the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said: "O young people, whoever is able to marry should marry, and whoever is not able to do so, he should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual desires." Then the verse advised those who own slaves to make a contract with those slaves who seek such a contract to pay money in order to emancipate themselves.

However, it is not permissible for a woman to commit Zina (adultery or fornication) whether she is a slave woman or a free woman, and it is not permissible for her master to allow her to do so; rather, he is obliged to prevent her from committing Zina according to his ability. This verse was revealed to clarify what used to happen at that time as some hypocrites, like ‘Abdullaah ibn Ubay ibn Salool, used to compel their slave girls to commit Zina so that they would bring them some money, so the verse prohibited them from doing so.

There were two parts to the verse
1. An advice on marriage
2. An advise on conducting prostitution

AntiChristian:
Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
That is, the way he saw the sun was as if it was setting in the ocean, which is something that happens to everyone who stands on the shore: he sees the sun as if it is setting into the sea, when in fact it does not leave the celestial path on which it is firmly established.
End quote from Tafseer al-Qur’an al-Kareem (5/191) So he found the people near such place!

Did Dhul qarnayn find the people close to the horizon?

Don't forget that horizon exist everywhere on the earth (sea or land)!






The problem of you Muslims is that you care not a hoot about the Truth!

Pitiful at best. Ba answer!?

AntiChristian:
I know you will still repeat the same thing! And I will repeat the same thing as you did!

I asked you questions that you fled from

AntiChristian:
Allah never said such verbatim! You lied!
With regard to the words of Allah, may He be exalted, in the story of Dhu’l-Qarnayn (interpretation of the meaning): “Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water” [al-Kahf 18:86], the commentators said that what is meant is to depict the scene that appeared before him, for he saw it on the horizon of the sea, as if it were sinking into it at the time of setting. The Holy Qur’an does not tell us that this was something that happnened in a real sense; hence Allah, may He be glorified, said “he found it setting” and He did not say “it was setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water.”

Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
That is, he way he saw the sun was as if it was setting in the ocean, which is something that happens to everyone who stands on the shore: he sees the sun as if it is setting into the sea, when in fact it does not leave the celestial path on which it is firmly established.
End quote from Tafseer al-Qur’an al-Kareem (5/191)

How come Dhul qarnayn found a people near it(where the sun set) ?

It's a simple question!

AntiChristian:
This is another lie from you. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Proceeding from between the back-bone (as-sulb) and the ribs (at-taraa’ib)”, and He did not say that it proceeds from the back-bone (as-sulb) and the ribs (at-taraa’ib). And that is the origin of the male testes and Ovaries as discovered by modern medicine!

Is it untrue that the taraa’ib is used specifically in Arabic to depict the rib bones of a woman at the necklace region?

AntiChristian:
How is this not possible? The Solomon in the Qur'an is not same as the one in your Bible. Prophet Sulaiman was a wise man whom Allah grants the control of the Jinns and many other creatures of Allah, even the wind!

So the Jinns and creatures under his command obey him without fail and he has the authority to punish any of them. So it's very possible he died and none of them knew because they were afraid of him!

Is the father of the Suleiman in the Qur'an David the king of Israel?

AntiChristian:
Allah has permitted many acts before that is now forbidden!
Adam married Eve who is technically his daughter as she was created from him!
Cain married his sister!
Other sons of Adam will of course marry their sisters!
And in your Bible Genesis 38, Judah impregnated a prostitute who happens to be his daughter in law giving birth to one of the ancestors of Jesus Christ! God didn't punish Judah as He did kill his sons (Er and Onan) who did evil in his sight..

In short, God permitted the harlotry and adultery in Genesis 38!

And more so, we can also discuss what the soldiers did with the 32, 000 virgins of war captives in Numbers 31 of which Yahweh got 32 as tribute!

Has this verse been abrogated by Allah

Qur'an 24:33
Those who cannot afford to marry should abstain from what is unlawful until God enriches them by His grace. And free those slaves you possess who wish to buy their freedom after a written undertaking, if you know they have some goodness, and give them out of the riches God has given you. Do not force your maids to prostitution if they wish to lead married lives, in order to get the benefits of this world. But if someone forces them, surely God (will forgive them) after their forced helplessness, for He is forgiving and kind.


Such simple questions!

honesttalk21:
Worn out?

Who has repeatedly at least twice that we end other than you?

There's no break as long as I live and to ensure the Dajjal in you doesn't mislead my brothers and sisters in the deen or any you can overwhelm with your gish galloping.

Bring it on!

Why should I follow your messiah in place of Allah? Is Allah or God not greater than your messianic claim

Is this a mistake by Allah in the Qur'an?


Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

webincomeplus:
"My names are" is used by clowns who think doing everything differently makes them appear smart.

1. A human name for ages has been known to be a single entity that comprises multiple components: the first name, the middle name for additional specificity, and the surname. All these make up a "name". So, saying "my names are" is wrong!

2. If I ask you what the name of your school is, you'll say "Federal University of Technology, Owerri" (just an example). Does it make sense to say, "the names of my school are Federal University..." just because the name comprises multiple words?

3. For those who did Biology and Agricultural Science in secondary school, the botanical name of a plant, for example, always has 2 parts. Yet, your teachers and textbooks never referred to a plant's botanical name as "botanical names" just because it has two parts.

4. The only instance when saying "my names are" could be correct is when someone asks you to list out all the names you were given. Then it's correct to say, "My names are Michael, Olugbenga, Adam, Chukwudifu, and Williams". Note the use of commas (or numbering as the case might be).

5. You won't even hear "my names are" from native English speakers.

Excellente!

Only dummies wouldn't understand this clear explanation.

Kudos...

AntiChristian:
Allah never said such verbatim! You lied!
With regard to the words of Allah, may He be exalted, in the story of Dhu’l-Qarnayn (interpretation of the meaning): “Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water” [al-Kahf 18:86], the commentators said that what is meant is to depict the scene that appeared before him, for he saw it on the horizon of the sea, as if it were sinking into it at the time of setting. The Holy Qur’an does not tell us that this was something that happnened in a real sense; hence Allah, may He be glorified, said “he found it setting” and He did not say “it was setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water.”

Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
That is, he way he saw the sun was as if it was setting in the ocean, which is something that happens to everyone who stands on the shore: he sees the sun as if it is setting into the sea, when in fact it does not leave the celestial path on which it is firmly established.
End quote from Tafseer al-Qur’an al-Kareem (5/191)

You forgot that Allah was reporting a story and it wasn't Dhul qarnayn and Allah is precise in Arabic.

My friend, how did Allah say Dhul Qarnayn found a people there (at the place where the sun set) ?

Did Dhul Qarnayn also appear to find a people at the setting place of the sun?

Read your Quran!

AntiChristian:
This is another lie from you. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Proceeding from between the back-bone (as-sulb) and the ribs (at-taraa’ib)”, and He did not say that it proceeds from the back-bone (as-sulb) and the ribs (at-taraa’ib). And that is the origin of the male testes and Ovaries as discovered by modern medicine!

Mr AntiChristian,
It seems you don't
The taraa’ib is used specifically in Arabic to depict the rib bones of a woman at the necklace region.

Why did your prophet say that the water of the man is white and thick while that of the woman is yellow and thin?

Allah and his Apostle know best!

AntiChristian:
How is this not possible? The Solomon in the Qur'an is not same as the one in your Bible. Prophet Sulaiman was a wise man whom Allah grants the control of the Jinns and many other creatures of Allah, even the wind!

So the Jinns and creatures under his command obey him without fail and he has the authority to punish any of them. So it's very possible he died and none of them knew because they were afraid of him!

For once you told the truth.
Suleiman in the Qur'an is different from King Solomon in the Bible.

Is David in the Qur'an the same as the Father of Suleiman?

Because King David is the Father of king Solomon in the Bible.

Nevertheless,
Please explain how come the wives of Sulaiman did not notice that he died for almost one year?

How come his chiefs and subjects for almost a year come daily to the Palace and did not ask for their king?

AntiChristian:
Allah has permitted many acts before that is now forbidden!
Adam married Eve who is technically his daughter as she was created from him!
Cain married his sister!
Other sons of Adam will of course marry their sisters!
And in your Bible Genesis 38, Judah impregnated a prostitute who happens to be his daughter in law giving birth to one of the ancestors of Jesus Christ! God didn't punish Judah as He did kill his sons (Er and Onan) who did evil in his sight..

In short, God permitted the harlotry and adultery in Genesis 38!

And more so, we can also discuss what the soldiers did with the 32, 000 virgins of war captives in Numbers 31 of which Yahweh got 32 as tribute!

Allah permits prostitution!?
Tell me how can this be God?

Allah also not in nly permit prostitution, he gave you manual of being a love-vendor: don't tell me that this is abrogated too. I find no where where it is prohibited till today.

Qur'an 24:33
Those who cannot afford to marry should abstain from what is unlawful until God enriches them by His grace. And free those slaves you possess who wish to buy their freedom after a written undertaking, if you know they have some goodness, and give them out of the riches God has given you. Do not force your maids to prostitution if they wish to lead married lives, in order to get the benefits of this world. But if someone forces them, surely God (will forgive them) after their forced helplessness, for He is forgiving and kind.

honesttalk21:
Indeed a pathetic chronic liar speaks again.
Even if there's a lie aren't there more pleasing ways to address them but you rather point at what you think in more arrogance and mockery.

You are so stuck up and stubborn that you cannot see anything different from the falsehood you choose to adhere to.

Primarily a form of Christianity is founded on a false notion of a crucified Jesus who died and resurrected. This notion fails to accept that when Jesus says a disbelieving group of persons or something like this ask for a sign yet no sign other than the sign of Jonah will be further given. Prove Jonah died in the period when he was in the aquatic animals belly then you may have something genuine to brag about.

Did Jesus suoervise the collation of all or ant part of the gospel at anytime? Particularly the parts about his rising after crucifixion or the part stating he is co- God with the almighty God? I sure don't know of any but bring on your lies. We are pretty used to them now.

You are worn out!
Please take a break.

You want me to tone down the truth!?
The Truth is sometimes bitter my friend: this is why to you it seems hard to you.

Till I raised the issue up, did any one of you know that the Taoheed is a weak doctrine?
No!

My objective is for you to follow the Messiah through whom you can live your eternity in paradise rather than an impostor.
1. You don't know why the Messiah was born from a virgin
2. You don't know why the Messiah is the spirit FROM Allah
3. You don't know why the Messiah is the WORD of Allah
4. You don't know why the Messiah created LIFE exactly like Allah
5. You don't know why the Messiah is ALIVE with Allah in paradise.
6. You don't know why the Messiah is the only Prophet who makes new body parts for people
But you are ready to follow another man as the GREATEST of ALL mankind and the GREATEST of ALL Messangers of Allah.


Of course this is the spirit of the Antichrist (Instead of Christ).

Ask yourself this question : Who is truly greater, Mohammed or Jesus of Nazareth!


Please, let's end this here except you want to open up a thread and I promise to join you.

Shalom

Expanse2020:
According to Christianity what is death define that one

You are the one asking questions about death: you should define what death is according to Islam.

Expanse2020:
Answer it first I will answer you back

Let assume AGREE your God dead since you can't disproof it

I don't know the definition of death that you are talking about.

Okay let me make it extremely simple for you: according to Islam
1. Is death a kind of Annihilation?
2. Is death when a person leaves his physical body into a spiritual state?

So, your answer depends on what you mean by death according to Islam.

So, I have made it ridiculously simple for you. Is death in Islam a kind of annihilation or a change in state from physical to spiritual state of a person?

honesttalk21:
Does this then give you the right to openly lie that you do not antagonize Muslims with your numerous submissions and topics?

In any case;
It is essential to recognize that the Quran was revealed as a final and complete guidance for all of humanity. As such, it supersedes and serves as a correction to any inconsistencies or inaccuracies that may have crept into earlier scriptures. The Quran seeks to rectify any distortions that have occurred in the transmission of divine messages and serves as a criterion for distinguishing truth from falsehood.

In Surah Al-Maidah, verse 47, Allah instructs the People of the Book to judge by what has been revealed to them in their own scriptures and warns against following their desires if it leads them away from the truth. This verse demonstrates that while the Quran confirms the essential teachings of the previous scriptures, it also emphasizes the importance of adhering to the unadulterated message of God.

Moreover, the Quran acknowledges that there have been alterations made to the previous scriptures by those seeking to manipulate and distort the word of God for their own gain.

In Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 75, Allah condemns those who mix truth with falsehood and knowingly distort the scriptures. This acknowledgment of corruption in the old accounts underscores the necessity of the Quran as a safeguard against such deviations.

Furthermore, it is important to understand that the Quran does not outright reject the teachings of the previous scriptures but rather clarifies and corrects any misconceptions or misinterpretations that may have arisen over time. In Surah Al-Imran, verse 3, Allah states that He has sent down the Quran to guide humanity and distinguish between right and wrong, truth and falsehood.

If Exposing the Falsehood in Islam using what is written in your own Islamic literatures is what you call antagonism by me, then so be it.


I don't expect that you will love it.


But can you explain why Muslims would rather adopt LIES and DECEIT rather than the TRUTH in order to promote Islam?



Please, let's call it a day till another time. At least you have tried!

honesttalk21:
When a fuel or drug is contaminated does it mean there is non of the original substance in it?

Just answer this.

That's your claim and I saw that Allah thinks differently from you.

Are you advising that I take your opinion over that of Allah?


Secondly,
Are these verses from Allah errors?

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,


How can the Qur'an confirm that which is corrupted?

Here is a proof that Muslims do NOT believe in Allah nor his word: you believe more in the consensus of your scholars

Auki:
1. In Islam, God is supreme and He is owner of wisdom. He decides what to include as message to mankind.

2. Quran is a message from Allah, not Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) or any human being. It is free from errors and a guide for those who preserve them from evil and follow the straight path.

3. Stories in the Quran are for lessons. Not just a mere story.Quran specifically acknowledged that not all prophets were included.

4 Muhammad(Pbuh) is not the author of Quran. He was never being to school.

5. Some of the bible manuscript were not accepted. The Quran is complete and the same through out the world. One version. Which of the bible version will you regard as criteria.

6. My intend is to help to those that sincere only. Not here for argument

Unfortunately, these are sincere lies you have adopted

It seems you are not aware that
Allah says that
1. The sun set in some murky waters
2. Women have reproductive fluid coming from their ribs
3. Solomon died while standing on his walking stick for almost one year and no one knew
4. Allah gave Muslims permission to do prostitution (pleasure marriage =Mutah)
5. Allah copies badly the law of Retribution from Moses

the list go on and on. How can this be from God?

Can God make these obvious errors?

AntiChristian:
So Daniel is your reason the Qur'an is not the word of Allah?

I am tempted to ask you what kind of weed you smoke?

The Qur'an is not a summary of all previous scriptures!

And its not a must to talk about Daniel or Joshua by name! Allah has said He did send messengers to all nations!

So is it necessary to mention the messengers sent to Africa and each and every nations?

No! He picks whatever He wills to reveal to his Prophet and we believe it wholly!

About Daniel called Daniyal in Arabic and islam, we believe no doubt he may have been one of the Prophets. There are many Prophets not mentioned in the Qur'an but mentioned in the Sunnah!

When the Muslims conquered Tastar, they came across the grave of Prophet Daniel. And he was reburied somewhere else by the Muslims so that the people won't turn him to another God as they did Jesus worshipping him.

And also his scripture was discovered. Daniyal foretold the Messiah as well as Muhammad (Salallahu alayhi wasalam) in his scripture!

The Muslims read the scripture when they conquered Iraq!

It seems you are not aware that
Allah says that
1. The sun set in some murky waters
2. Women have reproductive fluid coming from their ribs
3. Solomon died while standing on his walking stick for almost one year and no one knew
4. Aalah gave Muslims permission to do prostitution (pleasure marriage =Mutah)

the list go on and on. How can this be from God?

Auki:
Allah chooses what to include in His book. Some Prophets in the Quran are not in the bible. Jesus infancy is scantily mentioned in the Bible but detailed in the Quran.

Holy Quran is different from the Bible and using Bible as criteria to validate Quran is wrong approach. You explicitly assumed Bible as standard criteria (Confirmation Bias) for which to judge Quran.

Set your objectives of studying Quran and be wary of your innate bias.

The evidence that the Qur'an is not from God abound.

Allah says that
1. The sun set in some murky waters
2. Women have reproductive fluid coming from their ribs
3. Solomon died while standing on his walking stick for almost one year and no one knew
4. Aalah gave Muslims permission to do prostitution (pleasure marriage =Mutah)

the list go on and on. Can this be God?

Expanse2020:
Can God die
Answer it of you have ball
My own God cannot die
Can your God⚰️🪦 die answer it if you have balls
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I understand you well.
So many things your Allah cannot do that mine can do!

1. Allah cannot have a son without having a girlfriend. This sounds like human limited personality.
2. Allah cannot be in heaven and on earth at the same time. He is limited!

Is death a kind of annihilation in Islam?
When a person dies, does he go out of existence in Islam?


The stupidity of your question is why you remain a Muslim!

honesttalk21:
You choose what you agree to believe and reject the rest?

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:75): “Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing?” This verse points out that some individuals altered the Torah after understanding its true message.

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:79): “So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say, ‘This is from Allah,’ in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.” This verse condemns those who falsified scriptures and attributed them to Allah for personal gain.

Surah Al-Maida (5:13): “So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded.” This verse highlights how some people distorted the teachings of previous scriptures due to their disobedience.

Surah Al-Maida (5:41): “O Messenger, let them not grieve you who hasten into disbelief of those who say, ‘We believe’ with their mouths, but their hearts believe not, and from among the Jews. They are avid listeners to falsehood, listening to another people who have not come to you. They distort words beyond their [proper] usages.” This verse warns against those who manipulate words and meanings in scriptures.

Surah Al-Maida (5:15): “O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.” This verse emphasizes the role of Prophet Muhammad in clarifying and correcting misconceptions about previous scriptures.

It seems you are proving to me that the Qur'an is full of contradictions?

Is this your aim or the verses I quoted are errors?

Expanse2020:
Answer me
Can God die🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes or No
If you don't the answer implore your brothers together here to answer it wothyou

How do you want me to answer you when I don't know the definition of death from Islamic perspective.

Are you ashamed os saying what Islam say about death?

If you need help, tell me and I will help you


Still you have not responded :

Have you accepted that Allah says that he is in the Fire according to Qur'an 3:3?

honesttalk21:
This doesn't make sense. Express your meaning? That I present literal translations without exegesis of Al-Fatiha is your problem?



Do elucidate on this. I don't get you.

Jesus said:
Mat 12:31:
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven to men."


Mat 12:32:
"And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."


And I asked, if this Holy Spirit is Angel Jibril?!

honesttalk21:
You go into things for thought appearing like you are incapable of independent thought.

If something is corrupt is all or some of it corrupt the question is what aspect of it is corrupt?

Some of the previous scripture is preserved as it was revealed or received. Some has been added to by the custodians, some has been reduced so tell me what of this is beyond your comprehension?

Your accusation was to the scriptures of the Jews and Christians of corruption.

All I showed you was the view of Allah which seems to be contrary to your position.

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,


How can the Qur'an confirm that which is corrupted?

Here is a proof that Muslims do NOT believe in Allah nor his word: you believe more in the consensus of your scholars

honesttalk21:
Anyone who follows his own inclination or a wrong suggestion from another and thus disobeys the guidance of Allah is sure to be considered at that time to be astray and earning the disapproval/anger of Allah.

Does the God you worship as a Christian encourage you to be disobedient and carried away by your own inclination regardless of how wrong they may be?

Did Jesus call Himself the Son of God in our Bible and is Allah the father of anyone ?

Did Jesus die on the cross according to our Bible and did Jesus of the Qur'an die on the cross?

Is redemption through Christ in the Bible and is redemption through Christ in the Qur'an?

How come so much difference with the Qur'an are in the book Allah himself attests to in the scriptures above?

It seems Allah wasn't aware of these Big differences : was he!?

honesttalk21:
In my entries are your questions not addressed?

Do you state that you have not made entries equating Allah, prophet Muhammad pbuh and Jibril as one entity?

When you say these three are stupid and not knowing what do you mean?

Have you not accused Muhammad pbuh of paedophilia and being sexually driven?

Have you not accused Prophet Muhammad pbuh of being mentally ill and suffering from fits?

Did I support my claims from your religious literatures or they are my fabrications?

Were my claims verifiable truths from your literatures or mere slander?


Of course, I don't expect you to like the truth as presented because they go against your preferred narrative.

Your preferred Narrative is that Mohammed is the best example for Mankind and his Allah is the true Creator!

Unfortunately, Mohammed isn't.

But you want me to be among the psychofans claiming what is not true?
Is this what makes me as non antagonistic?

Expanse2020:
I told what the verse said

Answer my question
Can A God die
YES OR NO

Have you accepted that Allah says that he is in the Fire according to Qur'an 3:3?


According to Islam, what is death?

It seems you have seen a new site to copy-paste from. I will oblige you!

honesttalk21:
God is said to be the same yesterday, today and forever. Could you give instances where the holy spirit is worshipped as God in the old and new testament.

Tell if you will what exists or was created outside God's command or word?

But the only unforgivable sin is that against Angel Gabriel.
This makes perfect sense Abi?

honesttalk21:
Did Jesus criticize the Religious Leaders? In Matthew 23
1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,
2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.
3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach.
4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.
5 “Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels.
6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’

How sure are you they didn't alter the books to their advantage

I think we should ask Allah for this 630 years after Jesus
Qur'an 3:3
He has revealed this Book to you, setting forth the truth and u]confirming the earlier Books, and earlier He revealed the Torah and Gospel[/u]

According to you, the Qur'an is confirming books that have been corrupted! SMH!

Quran 10:94
And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

Our scripture we read is corrupted yet Allah is asking Mohammed to ask those who read the corrupt book about the Qur'an!?

Qur'an 7:157
Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.

Allah even said that our scripture is with us at least at the time of Mohammed.


It is impossible to solve the problems created for you by Mohammed on this.

honesttalk21:
Guide us along the Straight Path,

— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

Guide us to the straight path -

— Saheeh International

1:7
The Path of those You have blessed—not those You are displeased with, or those who are astray.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have earned [Your] anger or of those who are astray.

— Saheeh International

Do you agree the emboldened above referred to the Jews and Christians?

As they killed prophets of God and were arrogant as well as equated the creation to the creator?


Does Christos have a relation with Christ Jesus or Christos Yehusha?

Does Christos mean anointed or crucified?

Can you believe in Christos Yehusha without a belief in crucifixion? Of what use is a belief in crucifixion if you don't adhere to the message/gospel of Yehusha Christos?

You think you know Islam but what you know about is Dajallun from دَجَّال⁩ (dajjāl) (plural ⁧دَجَّالُون⁩ (dajjālūn) which refers to someone who covers, coats thingsl, gilder, silverer
swindler, cheat, imposter, charlatan, mountebank, liar

Have you read this Tafsir before

Tafsir ibn Kathir Qur'an 1:1-7
..(Not (the way) of those who earned Your anger, nor of those who went astray) meaning guide us to the straight path, the path of those upon whom you have bestowed Your grace, that is, the people of guidance, sincerity and obedience to Allah and His Messengers. They are the people who adhere to Allah's commandments and refrain from committing what He has prohibited. But, help us to avoid the path of those whom Allah is angry with, whose intentions are corrupt, who know the truth, yet deviate from it. Also, help us avoid the path of those who were led astray, who lost the true knowledge and, as a result, are wandering in misguidance, unable to find the correct path. Allah asserted that the two paths He described here are both misguided when He repeated the negation `not'. These two paths are the paths of the Christians and Jews , a fact that the believer should beware of so that he avoids them. The path of the believers is knowledge of the truth and abiding by it. In comparison, the Jews abandoned practicing the religion , while the Christians lost the true knowledge.
This is why `anger' descended upon the Jews, while being described as `led astray' is more appropriate of the Christians. Those who know, but avoid implementing the truth, deserve the anger, unlike those who are ignorant. The Christians want to seek the true knowledge, but are unable to find it because they did not seek it from its proper resources.
This is why they were led astray. We should also mention that both the Christians and the Jews have earned the anger and are led astray, but the anger is one of the attributes more particular of the Jews. Allah said about the Jews,



In what way have I misrepresented Islam in saying that:

TenQ:
Have you found claims I made without corresponding References to back it up from your Islamic sources?
They are distasteful TRUTHS and that is why you find it offensive!

Is it untrue that you demote my God the Holy Spirit to the level of a mere Angel?

Is it untrue that you demote my God the Word (who became flesh) as ordinary man?

Is it untrue that 5 times a day you Pray to Allah not to make you like the accursed Jews and Christians who have gone astray?

Is it untrue that you claim that our Bible is corrupted?

Is it untrue that you claim that the very foundation of Christianity (the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ) does not exist?

If you attack the very foundation of Christianity, should I keep quiet and watch you do so?

The problem you have with me is that unlike most Christians, I know too much of Islam for your comfort.

The only effective weapon against Islam is the TRUTH quoted from the statements of Islam

Expanse2020:
When you don't understand hadith you rather keep shut down saying shit

Can God die
Yes or No

Explain why Mohammed Compared Allah to Dajjal rather than to Jesus. After all, the Dajjal is a man and Jesus was a man!


Again:
If you as Muslims can kill a man created in the image of Allah, and mutilate him by cutting of the alternate limbs or stoning him, why is his FACE important if it doesn't look like Allah's face.


Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”

You prophet clearly thought that the Face of Men are like the Face of Allah.


Can God die?
What is death before I answer your question!

Expanse2020:
No he is not in the fire but he spoke through the fire .....when he is not someone God they will call and will you use thunder or fire to respond 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I didn't write the verse nor Mohammed BUT Allah..
Qur'an 27:8
But when he reached it, a voice called out: "Blessed is He who is IN the fire and all around it. Praised be God, the Lord of all the worlds.


Who are you to re-interprete the words of Allah? Are you now also a prophet?