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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 3:01pm On Mar 20, 2024

Okay, let's start from here.
The Questions:

Thirdly,
1. Is it true that when a person dies, two angels will come to his grave and ask him three questions?
2. Is it true that if he answers the questions correctly, his grave would be made comfortable for him otherwise, his grave would be made uncomfortable to him?
3. Can a human being escape the questioning of these two angels?

Your response was:

ahmedio2017:
1.Of course yes
2.Of course yes
3.You can't escape the questioning

What of if someone tells his family not to bury him after his death by
1. Burning his body to NOTHING in a hot furnace or
2. Feeding his Body to 10 Hyenas, 20 Lions and 1000 Pirana fish

Now that there is nothing left of the man, Can he escape the questioning of these two angels?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 12:23pm On Mar 20, 2024

ahmedio2017:
On the emergence of the Trinity
Christians had a dilemma as soon as they declared that Christ was God. If Christ is God and God the Father is God, doesn't that make two gods? And when you throw the Holy Spirit into the mix, doesn't that make three gods? So aren't Christians polytheists? Christians wanted to insist, no, they're monotheists. Well, if they're monotheists, how can all three be God?

I don't blame you. If Allah or Mohammed understood what Trinity is, you will not enter into this quagmire of confusion.

I will show you from Islam what you don't understand as long as you answer my questions truthfully

Firstly,
Do you Muslims believe in three Jesus
1. Jesus is a Human MESSENGER of Allah
2. Jesus is the WORD of Allah
3. Jesus is a SPIRIT from Allah

Is this a contradiction?

Secondly,
1 Is it true that the Prophets in their graves are praying to Allah?
2. Is it true that your prophet literally rode on Al-Burak to paradise?

Thirdly,
1. Is it true that when a person dies, two angels will come to his grave and ask him three questions?
2. Is it true that if he answers the questions correctly, his grave would be made comfortable for him otherwise, his grave would be made uncomfortable to him?
3. Can a human being escape the questioning of these two angels?

Foreign Affairs › Re: Putin Warns NATO Of World War III by TenQ: 9:59am On Mar 20, 2024

My goal is not to justify or crucify the objective of NATO:
However, is it true that from between 1988-1989 when Milosevic abolished Kosovo's autonomy, he fired thousands of Albanians from state institutions and factories, and transformed a bi-national police force into a purely Serbian entity which often beat and arrested Albanians often without much cause?

Dream25:
What's the offence of Serbia a sovereign independent country to warrant an invasion from US and it NATO allies?..

Is it because Serbia is a small and not so powerful country?.

If I get your argument correctly,
Your argument is that "if USA and its NATO Allies can invade Serbia in 1999, then it makes it perfectly right for Russia to invade Ukraine from 2014 and annex their lands"!

Is this what you are saying?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 9:45am On Mar 20, 2024

ahmedio2017:
Lolz I said you will explain tire without any tangible evidence. I asked a simple and straight forward question see the gibrish you are just splitting. Answer the question if you know it, if you don't have answer keep quiet

It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.

The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.

Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

Can you see how I answered your kindergarten Questions: Unfortunately, you have no response to mine.

Let me oblige you again with the questions:
You made a claim, please prove it

You said: With respect to the question What is the Torah and what is the Injeel?
Is this your statement a Fabrication or
1. It is a statement from Allah
2. It is a statement of Mohammed
3. It is a statement from the early Islamic scholars like Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi, Al-Qurtubi, Aisha your mother, Uthman, Al-Tabari, Ibn Abbas etc

What is your source and evidence?
Do you concur that this is a Fabrication by you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 9:40am On Mar 20, 2024

Let me help you again to understand what it means to be Born Again:

Ohyoudidnt:
4. What really does it mean to be Born again? Kindly explain so I can respond.

To be Born again is to Depend upon God's prescribed solution for the Solution of the infection of Sin, Becoming Gods own child and entering Paradise.

This is how Jesus defined being Born Again :
John 3:14-18:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up : That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

To understand this, you need to go to the Torah to see what happen that Moses had to hang a bronze snake in the wilderness
Numbers 21:6-9
1. The children of Israel sinned against God
2. It led to the consequence of the Judgement of snake bites leading to death
3. The elders of Israel recognised that this snakes were judgement from God thus the asked Moses to go intercede for them with God
4. Moses pleaded the case of the Elders of Israel with God BUT God decides NOT to remove the snakes even though He forgives them.
5. God now instructs Moses:
a. Make a Bronze Snake
b. Hang it on a wooden Pole in the middle of the camp of Israel
c. The one who is bitten by the snake should come out and LOOK at the bronze snake
d. Because such a person Believes in the SOLUTION provided by God, such a person would not perish but LIVE!

Jesus said:
Just as Moses hung a serpent in the wilderness, so also He would be hung on the tree. If ANYONE believes in God's solution and instruction, such would enter Paradise.
This is the person who is Born Again.
Eternal separation from God has passed over him because such is given a new Life.

The consequence is that such a person is SEALED with God's Spirit (thus making him a child of God)
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them He gave power to become the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

A person who is Born Again is required to produce the fruit of a changed Life in
1. Love for God and Love for his neighbour
2. Living a life of Purity and Service to God

If these fruit is lacking in the life of any Christian, one should doubt his claim of being Born Again

Because Jesus said:
Mat 7:15-18,20-21:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. … Why by their fruits you shall know them. Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."

Unfortunately,
1. Islam says Jesus did not die on the cross
2. Islam does not know the purpose of the Messiah
3. Islam created another means of salvation which lacks any guarantee
4. Islam says ALL Muslims will enter Hell fire but later they will be removed
5. Islam rejects God's solution for salvation from the Fire of Hell.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 9:39am On Mar 20, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Tenq is indeed making great attempts to remake the Christian doctrine.
Does the Bible you follow not record Jesus saying:

Matthew 15:9: “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
In context from verse 7: Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8[b]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me[/b].
This verse implies that religious leaders sometimes prioritize their own teachings over divine revelation.

Is Tenq lying that the Biblical God created hell in vain and people will not be punished for eternity there?

Do you feign to forget or actually are unaware that in Matthew 25:41, Jesus says, “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.? This verse indicates that hell is a real place of punishment for those who do not follow God’s ways.

Furthermore, in the Gospel of Mark 9:43-48, Jesus speaks about hell as a place where “the fire never goes out” and where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” This imagery emphasizes the eternal nature of hell and the suffering that awaits those who are condemned to it.

Elsewhere in Matthew 23:2-3, Jesus tells his followers: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.” This passage suggests that religious leaders may not always practice what they preach.

In John 5:39-40, Jesus directly addresses the issue of scriptural interpretation by saying: “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”

This verse suggests that some religious leaders misinterpret or misunderstand scripture because they fail to recognize its ultimate purpose and message.

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

The Bible emphasizes correction and discipline on earth as a form of chastisement from God, it also alludes to the idea that there are eternal consequences and judgments that extend beyond earthly life.

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

That is to say Proverbs 13:24 is the devil printer's error
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

TenQ please don't for the sake of debate peddle falsehood.

You see how your arguments are wrong with respect to the Quran verse you use.
A loving father will lovingly guide but diligently discipline a child to keep on the appropriate part.

This is what one gets when comprehension of simple English is terribly low.
1. Paragraph 1: There is contradiction between the two Gods of Allah and Yahweh as God calls us His children
2. Paragraph 2: I quoted Quran 5:18 where Allah denied having Children
3. Paragraph 3: I faulted the argument of Allah (or is it Mohammed) who says : If we are God's children, "Why then does He punish you for your sins?"
4. Paragraph 4: I asked you if this was a valid argument
5. Paragraph 5: I showed you Proversb 3:11-12 where the God of Israel explained why He chastises (disciplines or punishes) His children

Now, check your responses
1. What is the christian doctrine I have attempted to remake?
2. Did what I wrote contradict Matt 15:9?
3. Did I claim that hell is in vain and that people will not be punished there? Did I even mention hell in the post you replied to?
4. Did what I wrote contradict Matt 25:41
5. Did I write anything contradicting Mark 9:43-48?
6. Did I write anything contradicting Matt 23:2-3?
What did my post write about hell?
7. You went to the issue of John 5:39-40 : was there any where I posted about interpretation of scriptures to warant your response?

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

I see that your problem is comprehension of English Language. Tell me, will Allah punish you muslims in paradise or he will punish the evildoers?

You siad:

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

Unfortunately, it is Allah who claims that not me!
Then you went in tangent against Allah because you didnt read to understand Qur'an 5:18
Qur'an 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

Allah's argument is that he doesn't punish his children (if he had one), he punishes whoever he wills and forgives whoever he wills

I challenge you to [b]quote exactly my falsehood in the post above that you claim is filled with falsehood[/b]

Ohyoudidnt:
Throughout the Bible, God is described as omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (present everywhere), eternal (without beginning or end), loving, just, merciful, and many other attributes. These characteristics go beyond just being a spirit and demonstrate the complexity and depth of God’s nature.

Was it a spirit that wrestled with Jacob? Appeared to Abraham as 3. instances of God interacting with humanity in personal ways. From walking with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to speaking to prophets like Moses and Elijah, God’s interactions with people show a relational aspect that goes beyond just being a spirit.

The theologian Matthew Fox emphasizes that God is not merely a spirit but rather a dynamic energy that permeates and animates all of creation.

1. Paragraph 2: I defined what a spirit is
2. I stated that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an INFINITE Spirit who occupy the whole Universe (visible and invisible)
3. Paragraph 3; I quoted Acts 17:28 to prove my point that God as a spirit is Omnopresent
4. paragraph 4: I stated that Allah is NOT a spirit hence he has to descend to the lowest heaven from his high up throne to the lowest heaven. Is this an untrue statement about Allah?

You started with an obvious falsehood
1. Can you read Gen 32:24 and justify how you claim that a spirit wrestled with Jacob or God appearing as a Man?
2. Can you justify that Abraham spoke with a spirit Gen 18:2 or God appearing as a Man?
3. Same with Adam and Eve

You now have the effrontery to quote your theologian as if Christian doctrine is defined by what theologians say.

If you don't understand the Trinity of God, I have told you ask and I will explain.

Allah is presently not on his throne in heaven because he is running round the earths lowest atmosphere looking for muslims who will be praying to him.

Allah is certainly NOT a spirit: thus he can only be in one place at a time

Ohyoudidnt:
So much literature yet you didn't give an absolute definition of Born again. 🤔😓😥

In John 3:3-7 Jesus says to Nicodemus: “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” Nicodemus is confused by this statement, thinking it means being physically born a second time. Jesus clarifies that he is talking about a spiritual rebirth, saying, “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.”

The idea of being born again is central to Christian belief and is associated with conversion, repentance, and a new life in Christ. [/b]It signifies a transformation of the individual’s heart and soul through faith in Jesus Christ. This spiritual rebirth is seen as essential for salvation and eternal life according to Christian doctrine.

Note conversion stated first here. Conversion from polytheism, disobedience, immorality etc. Then repentance in the sense of acknowledging wrong doing and keeping away from such. The new life Christians stems from having faith in Jesus and following his teachings to be righteous.

Seems I conceptualized this better than you or didn't I?

Will need to answer the rest in a follow up. So many attachments to each point.

Unfortunately for you and this is justifying why I said that your comprehension of simple english language is very low.

My first paragraph highlighted in BLUE stated thedifinition of Born Again in simple terms
[b]Did you read this?
To be Born again is to Depend upon God's prescribed solution for the Solution of the infection of Sin, Becoming Gods own child and entering Paradise.

Did you read this highlighted in yellow?
A person who is Born Again is required to produce the fruit of a changed Life in
1. Love for God and Love for his neighbour
2. Living a life of Purity and Service to God
Can one be PURE from Sin and not be Converted and Repented from from the old life to the New?
Is a new Life not a life lived in LOVE for God and LOVE for Man?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 9:39am On Mar 20, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Tenq is indeed making great attempts to remake the Christian doctrine.
Does the Bible you follow not record Jesus saying:

Matthew 15:9: “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
In context from verse 7: Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8[b]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me[/b].
This verse implies that religious leaders sometimes prioritize their own teachings over divine revelation.

Is Tenq lying that the Biblical God created hell in vain and people will not be punished for eternity there?

Do you feign to forget or actually are unaware that in Matthew 25:41, Jesus says, “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.? This verse indicates that hell is a real place of punishment for those who do not follow God’s ways.

Furthermore, in the Gospel of Mark 9:43-48, Jesus speaks about hell as a place where “the fire never goes out” and where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” This imagery emphasizes the eternal nature of hell and the suffering that awaits those who are condemned to it.

Elsewhere in Matthew 23:2-3, Jesus tells his followers: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.” This passage suggests that religious leaders may not always practice what they preach.

In John 5:39-40, Jesus directly addresses the issue of scriptural interpretation by saying: “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”

This verse suggests that some religious leaders misinterpret or misunderstand scripture because they fail to recognize its ultimate purpose and message.

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

The Bible emphasizes correction and discipline on earth as a form of chastisement from God, it also alludes to the idea that there are eternal consequences and judgments that extend beyond earthly life.

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

That is to say Proverbs 13:24 is the devil printer's error
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

TenQ please don't for the sake of debate peddle falsehood.

You see how your arguments are wrong with respect to the Quran verse you use.
A loving father will lovingly guide but diligently discipline a child to keep on the appropriate part.

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

I see that your problem is comprehension of English Language. Tell me, will Allah punish you muslims in paradise or he will punish the evildoers?

You siad:

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

Ohyoudidnt:
Throughout the Bible, God is described as omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (present everywhere), eternal (without beginning or end), loving, just, merciful, and many other attributes. These characteristics go beyond just being a spirit and demonstrate the complexity and depth of God’s nature.

Was it a spirit that wrestled with Jacob? Appeared to Abraham as 3. instances of God interacting with humanity in personal ways. From walking with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to speaking to prophets like Moses and Elijah, God’s interactions with people show a relational aspect that goes beyond just being a spirit.

The theologian Matthew Fox emphasizes that God is not merely a spirit but rather a dynamic energy that permeates and animates all of creation.

Ohyoudidnt:
So much literature yet you didn't give an absolute definition of Born again. 🤔😓😥

In John 3:3-7 Jesus says to Nicodemus: “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” Nicodemus is confused by this statement, thinking it means being physically born a second time. Jesus clarifies that he is talking about a spiritual rebirth, saying, “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.”

The idea of being born again is central to Christian belief and is associated with conversion, repentance, and a new life in Christ. [/b]It signifies a transformation of the individual’s heart and soul through faith in Jesus Christ. This spiritual rebirth is seen as essential for salvation and eternal life according to Christian doctrine.

Note conversion stated first here. Conversion from polytheism, disobedience, immorality etc. Then repentance in the sense of acknowledging wrong doing and keeping away from such. The new life Christians stems from having faith in Jesus and following his teachings to be righteous.

Seems I conceptualized this better than you or didn't I?

Will need to answer the rest in a follow up. So many attachments to each point.

Ohyoudidnt:
4. What really does it mean to be Born again? Kindly explain so I can respond.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 8:22am On Mar 20, 2024

Your kindagarten questions
Who wrote Bible?
The Bible was written by several prophets of whom are Moses, David, Solomon, Ezra, etc. Moses wrote the first 5 books called the Torah. Solomon wrote 2 books, David wrote 1 book etc

What is the source of Bible?
The Bible is a compilation of All the Scriptures of the Jews from the Torah, Zabur, Injeel etc. The Torah itself is five books
What does Jesus have to do Bible?
The Bible wrote about the Messiah who is Jesus Christ

Does Jesus Christ PBUH recognizes Bible?
The old Testament (the Scripture of the Jews) was completely written by the time of Jesus. The New Testament was written about Jesus. Jesus read from the Old Testament during His time.

ahmedio2017:
That is just the honest truth, I challenge you to prove me wrong,

Who wrote Bible?
What is the source of Bible?
What does Jesus have to do Bible?
Does Jesus Christ PBUH recognizes Bible?

Just straight answer n not gibrish as usual

You made a claim, please prove it

You said: With respect to the question What is the Torah and what is the Injeel?

ahmedio2017:
They are both word of God given to respect prophets.
1. God has nothing to do with Bible, Paul is the author of Bible.
2. And equally the founder of Christianity....

Is this your statement a Fabrication or
1. It is a statement from Allah
2. It is a statement of Mohammed
3. It is a statement from the early Islamic scholars like Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi, Al-Qurtubi, Aisha your mother, Uthman, Al-Tabari, Ibn Abbas etc

What is your source and evidence?
Do you concur that this is a Fabrication by you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 8:01am On Mar 20, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Iblis is one just as you too are. Neither of you created or sustains anything nor has any power to do anything except what Allah grant you.

Yes Iblis is one just as Allah is one.
Is it possible that Iblis will be in the lowest heaven and on earth at the same time?
No!

Iblis has to descend from the lowest heaven to the earth's surface if he needed to exactly like Allah.

Did Mohammed say that Allah descends Everyday to the lowest heaven to hear the prayer of you Muslims?

Not difference sir: it's the same limitation

Ohyoudidnt:
Were the Torah, Injil and Zabur not names given?

Do you disagree with Allah again?

Allah says that his books are with us! Do you dispute this verses below?

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,

Are you reiterating that Allah and his prophet made some serious mistakes in these verses?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 12:09am On Mar 20, 2024

ahmedio2017:
They are both word of God given to respect prophets. God has nothing to do with Bible, Paul is the author of Bible.

And equally the founder of Christianity....

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 10:48pm On Mar 19, 2024

ahmedio2017:
Answer my question first oga

Once you can't answer the question stop quoting unnecessarily.....

It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.

The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.

Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

God/Allah is one. And that's all. Your own god is three in one no one disputing that with u guys.

You guys should stay on ur lane.....

You are simply a noise maker.

Allah has over 124,000 prophets with books and you cannot find just one example other than the Qur'an where Allah gave a name to the book!?

For your information Iblis is ONE too o!
Explain what is special with that?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 10:33pm On Mar 19, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Ok.

1. In regards to the concept of father is this different from the position of a fatherly creator and protector not biological?

Is this not but the concept of God as Father in a symbolic, national way? The term “father” is used to describe God’s role as the creator and protector of Israel.

Deuteronomy 32:6, where Moses sings to the Israelites: “Is not He your Father who bought you? He made you and established you.” Here, God is depicted as the one who purchased and created the Israelites, signifying His role as their divine father.

Is there not an attempt to exaggerate the position of the father? A reason why the priests and elders were pertubed with the Biblical claim of Jesus calling God his father in a way that was outside their understanding?

Do you not understand the soothing God gave David in 2 Samuel 7
12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands.
(Is God being a father to Solomon as David is/was to him?)

15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you

You emphasise the differences such as the people of old were one and united until some knowledge came to some and they started to compete and grow arrogant to one another.

In anycase does Islam and Muhammad not proclaim a singular omnipotent omnipresent creator supreme being?
One who created and sustains the world with all in and about it. The plants, animals, the land, rocks etc as well as weather alterations.

Is there no similitude in reports of the prophets and people of old such as Adam, Noah, Moses, Joseph, David, John the Baptist, the virgin birth of Jesus?

The existence of hell and heaven?

The indisputable coming of a judgement

The rewards and rebukes for disobedience and immorality in negation to divine guidance

The bottom line is, there is a CONTRADICTION ! God of the Christians and Jews call us His children (of course by adoption) and this is different for Allah

Qur'an 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

And the argument betrays that the writer is not God.
Do even earthly father's discipline their children who they love dearly?

Do you concur that fathers don't discipline their children if truly they are the father?

Compare with
Prov 3:11-12:
"My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loves he corrects; even as a father the son in whom he delights."

God chastizes or punishes whom he loves here on earth for correction

Ohyoudidnt:
2. You limit and insult your God by calling him just a spirit? Isn't God far beyond that or you prefer this spirit living and carried about in tents

2 Samuel 7:
6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling.

Your god dwells in a carry about tent like a wandering homeless?

Yes a point of irrefutable dispute that also divides you Christians from the religious practices and tradition of the Jews which Jesus asked you to obey?
A historically unverifiable claim of a resurrection despite the scripture clearly stating it's appointed for man to die once? Inconsistent biblical accounts or the death of the anointed in order to promote him to a god partner in a weird move to polytheist belief?

If only you or your prophet or Allah know what a Spirit is you will not present this terrible argument.

A Spirit is a non-physical Living Being whose influence can be felt. The Hebrew word is Ruach (Ruh in Arabic) from the root Wind.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an infinite Spirit. The whole of the Universe (seen and unseen) are inside Him.
Acts 17:28:
"For in him we live, and move, and have our being;...
This is why God is Omnipresent (He is EVERYWHERE in Heaven and in Universe at the same time)

Unfortunately, Allah is not a spirit: thus he has to decend to the lowest heavens and his throne is located above the highest heavens.

Ohyoudidnt:
4. What really does it mean to be Born again? Kindly explain so I can respond.

Ohyoudidnt:
What doctrine did Jesus preach that is at variance with Muhammad's pbuh?

1. Jesus called Himself the Son of God which Islam contradicts
2. Jesus gave us the power to becomes God's children, which Islam contradicts
3. Jesus says in Heaven (paradise) , we shall not marry wives as we shall all be like Angels, but Islam says we will marry Houri and even women from the inmates of Hell
4. Jesus said that He is the WAY, the Truth and the LIFE and NO ONE can enter Paradise without Him.
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

Ohyoudidnt:
Did he not say hear o Israel your God is one;Mark 12:29, and go on to state that no laws of God in the Torah will be abolished?

Even though, you Muslims know fully well that no Christian ever claim two or three God's but you definitely need the Strawman to keep up the rhetorics.

According to Islam
Is Jesus the Word of Allah?
Is Jesus a Spirit from Allah?
Is Jesus a Messanger of Allah?
Do we have three Jesus in Islam?

If you don't Understand Trinity or it looks illogical to you, I will gladly oblige you.

1. God as the Father is in the Spiritual Realm called Heaven
2. God as the Holy Spirit is Everywhere in space and time both in the Physical and Spiritual Realm
3. God as the Word is Sent to Anywhere in space and time both in the Physical and Spiritual Realm where God's will has to be established

As Muslims, you claim that God is unlike anything yet you are the first to box Allah into the limitation of Satan.

*Is it untrue that Satan is One?
*Satan is NOT Omnipresent (how can God descend from his throne to the lowest heaven) and still be on his throne in heaven?

Ohyoudidnt:
When a pure substance is adulterated does it mean nothing of the original substance remains?

A tiny Poison in the richest food make the food Poisonous
A tiny excrement in a Gold cup make the cup unfit for drinking!

Only if this little poison is expunged before the food can be safely eaten.

Only if the tiniest trace of the excrement is removed and the vessel disinfected can the gold cup be fit for use.

I still ask you the question :
Did Allah make a mistake in sending Jesus to the earth as a prophet?
1. Jesus creates life like Allah
2. Jesus healed the sick
3. Jesus gave eyes to the Blind
4. Jesus was born of a virgin :why?
5. Jesus is not dead but in heaven: why?
6. Jesus even know the thought of men (what you hide in your room)

However, the followers of Jesus (2.4 billions) are almost half the population of the world : and all believe that Jesus DIED on the cross, RESURRECTED from the dead, ASSENDED physically to HEAVEN and is COMING BACK to Judge the Earth.
All these was caused by Allah according to the Qur'an

Did Allah make a mistake in sending Jesus to the earth as a prophet?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 7:14pm On Mar 19, 2024

ahmedio2017:
You will just be jam parking everything together, it shows how frustrated you are. Jumping from one point to another, using questions to answer questions, you think I'm daft like you?

Once you can't answer the question stop quoting unnecessarily.....

It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.

The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.

Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

God/Allah is one. And that's all. Your own god is three in one no one disputing that with u guys.

You guys should stay on ur lane.....

I have made a simple challenge to you, don't run away :
I challenge you to provide just ONE evidence that from the several thousand books of Allah (apart from the Quran), there is one evidence of such, then I will oblige you !

At least there should be some kind of presidence from Allah out of 124,000 prophets and books.

I am waiting!

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 5:11pm On Mar 19, 2024

ahmedio2017:
Werey why are you this daft ? You are the one that is stupid honestly

So Judaism and Christianity is the same?

Ah now I confirm how stupid you are, see the person I had been engaging with since.

I don't know this is how dullard you are.

Useless fellow, Judaism and Christianity is the same you must be very stupid honestly.....

Judaism believe in Moses and they believed in oneness of God

I am sure hunger has overwhelmed your reasoning faculty because nowhere did I say Christianity and Judaism are the same. I simply stated our common grounds and differences.

Of course without lies, Islam cannot stand. Even during fasting, they must tell lies to survive.

I challenge you to quote me where I said that Christianity and Judaism are the same Mr LIAR!

ahmedio2017:
Christianity believed in Paul and believe in three gods.......

Mumu man

All because you were thoroughly beaten with your own arguments and you cannot respond. You resorted to falsehood
1. Show me any evidence that Christians believe in THREE Gods.
Mar 12:29:
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:"
2. Is it untrue that your scholars say that the Apostles of Jesus include the same Paul you condemn? Read Quran 36:13
3. I challenge you to give me a single Verse of the Qur'an or the Hadith of your prophet the condemned Paul!

The questions you ran away from

Prove that of the 124,000 prophets of Allah (according to your muslim scholars) siting وَإِن مِّنْ أُمَّةٍ إِلَّا خَلَا فِيهَا نَذِيرٌ , at least one of them have the names of their book written in their book (apart from the book of Mohammed).

Hence, I challenge you to provide just ONE evidence that from the several thousand books of Allah (apart from the Quran), there is one evidence of such, then I will oblige you !

Education › Re: 2 Katsina Universities Dragged To Court For Banning Christian Fellowships by TenQ: 4:53pm On Mar 19, 2024

Emu4life:
Go to Christian Universities and stop disturbing our Peace. Hypocrites!!

FG universities are Muslim universities!?

Islam and Hooliganism is inseparable

Business › Re: EFCC Obtains Court Order To Track Nigerians Transacting On Binance by TenQ: 4:49pm On Mar 19, 2024

Man102:
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Source : https://politicsnigeria.com/breaking-efcc-obtains-court-order-to-track-nigerians-transacting-on-binance/

Why do we like fooling ourselves in this country: we leave the real problem and start chasing shadows!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Anti Christ? Is It The Jewish Messiah Or Islams Imam Mahdi. by TenQ: 4:46pm On Mar 19, 2024

[quote author=AntiChristian post=129004828][/quote]Why run away, please respond:
I ask you a question from what you believe.

According to my knowledge of islam, when Jesus comes, he will do three things
1. Kill the Dajjal
2. Kill the Pigs (Destroy the Jews)
3. Break the Crosses (Convert Christians to Islam)

How will the judgment day come when the whole world are already Muslims and worshipping only Allah?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 4:44pm On Mar 19, 2024

ahmedio2017:
Jews (Judaism) are quite different from Christians

Jews is a Tribe or nation of People...but Allah doesn't know that. he thinks that Jew is a religion.
Christians are people saved by Christ Jesus and it is not any Tribe of nations
The Religion of the Jews is known as Judaism.
Jews and Christians serve the same God whose name is Yahweh!
Jews and Christians know that their God is a Spirit!
Jews and Christians know God as their Father!

The Only deference: they are still awaiting the first coming of the messiah but the Christians know Jesus has come first as the Messiah.

ahmedio2017:
Your brother has ran away maybe you should help him out

Maybe because you are being stupid: it is better to ignore those who think loud stupid repetitions is wisdom

ahmedio2017:
Tell us where the word Bible is mentioned in the Bible

A very stupid question to ask. Except you can prove that of the 124,000 prophets of Allah (according to your muslim scholars) siting وَإِن مِّنْ أُمَّةٍ إِلَّا خَلَا فِيهَا نَذِيرٌ , one of them have the names of their book written in their book (apart from the book of Mohammed).

Hence, I challenge you to provide just ONE evidence that from the several thousand books of Allah (apart from the Quran), there is one evidence of such, then I will oblige you !

ahmedio2017:
What gave you the assurance that Bible is a word of God when you cannot even find it inside Torah and injeel.

Can you please help me find the words Torah, Injeel and Zabura within the respective revealed books of Allah else keep your mouth shut for your display of ignorance reeks up to the high heavens.

This actually is another proof that the Quran is a cheap Fabrication!

My challenge stands as I wait for your response!

If you can only ask yourself the Question:
Why did Allah make the Messiah different from all humanity? What was his goal or purpose?
The true answer will lead you to paradise!

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Putin Warns NATO Of World War III by TenQ: 1:59pm On Mar 19, 2024

Jovi10:
Your first question I mentioned the donbass region. If you don't know where the donbass region is go online to check it out .

2nd everything that happened in the donbass region was as a result of the USA sponsored coup that removed Ukraine's president because he was more inclined towards Russia than the West. After the coup ethnic Russians wanted out , western puppet was installed as president (zelensky) who's promise was that he was going to stabilize relationship with Russia. He came in and did the opposite, cut off water to the donbass region, banned Russian language etc which resulted in a revolt. Azov battalion was sent in by Ukraine and began ethnic cleansing, Russia supported her people in the donbass regions with weapons to defend themselves at the same time Russia was calling on the attention of UN and the West to the ethnic cleansing of Russians in the donbass region they did nothing. Even the Western media admitted that azov battalion was a terrorist group with Nazi ideology, but the moment The war started, same azov battalion became freedom fighters. The rest is history .

Of course Ukraine has the right to her sovereignty but when the sovereignty is a threat to your neighbor just like cubas sovereignty was a threat to the USA, your neighbor has the right to protect themselves.

Why reveal your dumbness with your first statement. I should go and check where Donbas is from the map: I just realised that I don't know where Donbas is (as if you were the one who first spoke of the Donbas region)?

You don't need to respond to this cause you are already ignored!

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 12:32pm On Mar 19, 2024*

Ohyoudidnt:
You accept that "ta biblia" means literally "the Books" where the word "ta" translates roughly to "the" but remain adamant that the Bible is a single book comprising SEVERAL BOOKS?

Do you contest the fact that a binded copy of several books is a BOOK (singular)?
Why do you think Allah calls the Jews and Christians people of the Book (singular) rather than people of the Books (plural)?

Is Allah wrong just like me?

Ohyoudidnt:
Context please. Do you ignore that Q2:40 translates to mean O Children of Israel! Remember My Favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill (your obligations to) My Covenant (with you) so that I fulfill (My Obligations to) your covenant (with Me), and fear none but Me

before

And believe in what I have sent down (this Quran), confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone. (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. I, Page)

اَنۡزَلۡتُ,anzaltu,I have sent down

Q2:87>And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed

Q2:88>And they say, "Our hearts are wrapped (i.e. do not hear or understand Allah's Word)." Nay, Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so little is that which they believe

before Q2:89>And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers

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And Q2:101:And when there came to them a Messenger from Allah (i.e. Muhammad Peace be upon him) confirming what was with them, a party of those who were given the Scripture threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know

Do you know that you have just accused Allah of not being able to protect his books?

Quran 6:114-115
Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than God? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt. The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.

Who sent down the Book to us Jews and Christians?
How do we know the truth when our truths (from our book) are corrupted?

Quran 18:27
And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him.

The Question is: What is the Book of Allah? Is it Only the Quran!?

According to Quran 2:40-41 ,
How can the book of Allah be corrupted if the message of the Quran is to CONFIRM that which is with the Jews and Christians?

According to Quran 2:87-89 ,
We can establish that Allah gave his words in Books to Moses and Jesus
We can also establish that these Books confirm that which is with US the Jews and Christians!
How then is the Books of Allah corrupted?

It is undeniable that the verses Qur'an 2:41 , Qur'an 2:89 and Qur'an 2:101 prove that the supposed word of Allah is still WITH us

Ohyoudidnt:
DOES THE QURAN NOT CONFIRM THE ONENESS OF ALLAH,THE AFTERLIFE,STORIES AND MESSAGES OF THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS?
Are you not persistently stating and arguing that Allah forbid prophet Muhammad pbuh and Allah lies and so many other despicable claims?

It is not the similarities in the Scriptures that matter sir, it is the differences!

1. The Bible says that God is our Father!
Do you agree with this?
2. The Bible Says that God is a Spirit!
Do you agree with this?
3. The Bible says that Jesus died on the Cross, He was Buried and He resurrected on the third day and He rose to Heaven in the presence of his disciples!
Do you agree with this?
4. The Bible says that Unless a person is Born Again, he cannot enter or see paradise!
Do you agree with this?
We can go on and on with the differences

Rice and Beans with Plantain, Fish , Meat and Salad is excellent food until a pinch of Poison is Added!
You will agree with me that it is not the rice nor the fish nor the meat nor the plantain nor the salad that matters but the Poison added to the excellent food!
Such is Islam sir.

Islam removes the essence of
1. Sacrifice for the atonement of sin for a people
2. The Messiah as the ransom for our guilt of sin against God
Islam says: Don't follow the doctrine of the Messiah BUT instead follow the doctrine of Mohammed

God is a Spirit but Islam denies this, and in the quest of pure monotheism, created another God for themselves not different from capability than satan himself

If you can only ask yourself the Question:
Why did Allah make the Messiah different from all humanity? What was his goal or purpose?
The true answer will lead you to paradise!

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Putin Warns NATO Of World War III by TenQ: 11:29am On Mar 19, 2024

Jovi10:
The war didn't start 2 years ago. How long are we going to keep telling you people this. When Ukraine was killing Russian speaking people in the donbass region , where was the world , where was you people's voice?

Ukraine went into Russia to start killing Russia?

Is it untrue that Russia sponsored insurgency by the ethnic Russians in the Donbas region of Ukraine to militarily break away from Ukraine? Is it untrue that weapons used by the insurgents were supplied by Russia? Is it untrue that Wagner fought the Ukrainians in the Donbas region?

Do you think Ukraine has the right to protect their sovereign territories?

I am too sure that you would never answer these questions truthfully as they do not support your narrative!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 11:20am On Mar 19, 2024*

Ohyoudidnt:
What?

The Hebrew Bible, also known as Mikra (“what is read”) or TaNaKh, an acronym referring to the traditional Jewish division of the Bible into Torah (Teaching), Nevi’im (Prophets), and Ketuvim (Writings), is the founding document of the people of Israel, describing its origins, history and visions of a just society.

The word Bible, from the Greek, ta biblia(attention Tenq who forgot the ta), is plural and means “books.” This reflects the fact that the Bible is actually a collection of individual books (such as Genesis, Exodus, Isaiah, Song of Songs, and many others).

Enoch is believed to have existed before Moses based on biblical accounts, the compilation of his book after the Torah can be attributed to various factors related to canonization, theological emphasis, and historical context.

The process of canonization in Judaism and Christianity involved careful selection and recognition of certain texts as authoritative scripture. The Torah, being foundational to both faiths, was given priority in terms of inclusion in the biblical canon.

Also the he content and themes of Enoch’s book may not have aligned completely with the theological perspectives and teachings that were emphasized in the Torah. This could have influenced its later compilation and acceptance within certain religious traditions.

In summation the historical context in which these texts were written and compiled also played a role. The Torah was foundational to Israelite religion and identity, while Enoch’s book may have been seen as more esoteric or specialized in nature.

Since you called me back into this:
The Bible is a single Book which is a compilation of several Books or Scrolls.
Is it untrue that A book is a Binded Copy of Writings?

If you think I am wrong, can you explain why Allah call us (Jews and Christians) people of the Book (singular) rather than people of the Books (plural)?

It seems Allah and I are guilty of the same forgetfulness: LOL!
BTW
In Greek, "ta biblia" (τα βιβλία) means "the books": It's the plural form of "biblion" (βιβλίον), which means "book" or "scroll." On the other hand, "biblia" (βίβλια) is simply the plural form of "biblion" and can also be used to refer to the books of the Bible. However, "biblia" tends to be less specific and more general than "ta biblia." and "ta" corresponds to 'the" in English language This was where the word BIBLE was derived!

I repeat:
Unfortunately, you seem more knowledgeable than both Allah and Mohammed combined as they seem to have a different opinion from you.

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,

Are you reiterating that Allah and his prophet made some serious mistakes in these verses?

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Anti Christ? Is It The Jewish Messiah Or Islams Imam Mahdi. by TenQ: 11:04am On Mar 19, 2024

AntiChristian:
List the descriptions of first and second beast that Jesus son of Mary and Imam Mahdi fits from your Bible?

To kickstart the discussions I would make a list of what the Muslims believe concerning Jesus son of Mary!

We will refer to Jesus as ‘Eesa throughout this article.

I will like to inform you that among what a Muslim must ''believe in'' is to believe in the Prophets as stated in the authentic Islamic texts. This Prophets includes Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs to Allah only! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

The beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him).

1. Muslims do believe in ‘Eesa as a Prophet, a messenger and a noble slave of Allah sent to the children of Israel to call them to believe in Allah alone and to worship Him alone.

2. ‘Eesa was never a god or the son of God as the Christians claim.

3. We believe that Allaah supported him with miracles that proved he was speaking the truth. Many Prophets before him did miracles. The miracles includes ‘Eesa speaking while he was still in the cradle, breathing in to a clay bird making it turn to a live bird, healing the blind & lepers, quickening the dead, etc. All this happens solely with the permission of Allah.

4. We believe ‘Eesa has no father and his mother Maryam was a virgin. This is similar to Adam who has no father or Mother and Hawa (Eve) who has no mother but was created from Adam (peace be upon them both).

5. We believe that he permitted to the Jews some of the things that had been forbidden to them.

6. We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive.

7. We believe that he told his followers of the coming of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

8. We believe that he will come back down at the end of time, and will disprove the claim of his enemies the Jews that they killed him, and will disprove the claim of the Christians that he is God or the son of God, and he will not accept anything from them but Islam.

9. Then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.

These are the beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) as founded in the Books of Islam.

Muslims as usual:
You will ask them one question and they will answer a completely different one for you. Who asked you about what Muslims believe about Jesus?

Let me ask you a question from what you believe.

According to my knowledge of islam, when Jesus comes, he will do three things
1. Kill the Dajjal
2. Kill the Pigs (Destroy the Jews)
3. Break the Crosses (Convert Christians to Islam)

How will the judgment day come when the whole world are already Muslims and worshipping only Allah?

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Putin Warns NATO Of World War III by TenQ: 10:52am On Mar 19, 2024

adenigga:
Source: https://punchng.com/Putin-warns-NATO-of-World-War-III

Small Ukraine you cannot overrun and you are beating your chest to fight against NATO countries!
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Evil man Putin!

Foreign Affairs › Re: Putin Warns NATO Of World War III by TenQ: 10:51am On Mar 19, 2024

Dream25:
Stop with this propaganda...
Putin is not the one fanning WW3, it's the West... Putin already made himself clear from the beginning, any official soldier from a Western country in ukraine will be a target and Russia have every right without limitation to believe such country is at war with Russia...

What is the offence of Ukraine a sovereign independent country to warrant an invasion from Putin and annexing their lands?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 2:03am On Mar 19, 2024

Good for your honest answers :

My first Question :
1. Is it true or false that Allah comes down everyday at the third part of the night to listen to the prayers of you Muslims?

Ahmadusmanu:
Regarding to your question
1 yes, Allah use to come down to the first heaven to listen to the cries of his servants.

If this is true:
It means that Allah is permanently trapped in the first heaven as the earth is spherical and thus there is always a place on the earth at the third part of the night.
Is this untrue?

My second Question :
2. Is it true or false that the throne of Allah is over the waters above the seven heavens?

Ahmadusmanu:
2 yes Allah throne is above water in the seventh heaven.

If this is true:
It means that Allah CANNOT come down or descend to the lowest heaven and still be up on his throne above the waters at the same time. The implication is that Allah is not omnipresent
What is the meaning of descent?

My third Question :
3. The God of the Jews and Christians is a Spirit and His name is Yahweh : Is the name of Allah Yahweh and is Allah a spirit?

Ahmadusmanu:
3 Allah means,the only one true God worthy of worship.
I hope you are satisfied now.or are you the one to tell Allah how to run his affairs?

This was not the question: the question is, Is Allah a RUH (Spirit). The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses is a Spirit.

Allah does not mean the only true God, Allah is the NAME of the God of the Muslims. Is the name of the God of the Jews or Christians Allah?

Some weakness in the doctrine of Taoheed presented above for you

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 5:26pm On Mar 18, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Oga examiner do find your class and test scripts to evaluate elsewhere please.

I have rendered literature on what Biblia from Greek means.

Which group of Christians? Do you turn around to imply people of the book as stated in the Quran refers to only Christians? That is not tenable nor acceptable.

In conclusion show otherwise that throughout history, there have been various books excluded from the final canon of the Bible. These books are often referred to as apocryphal or deuterocanonical books.

The reasons for excluding these texts varied, but some common factors include concerns about their authorship, content, theological consistency, and widespread acceptance among the early Christian communities.

So the early Christians chose what to accept and reject isn't It? If it doesn't go well with us remove it

Unfortunately, you seem more knowledgeable than both Allah and Mohammed combined as they seem to have a different opinion from you.

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,

Are you reiterating that Allah and his prophet made some serious mistakes in these verses?

Foreign Affairs › Re: Israeli Troops Raid Gaza's Al Shifa Hospital(photos) by TenQ: 3:59pm On Mar 18, 2024

Botragelad:
Source:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-troops-raid-gazas-shifa-hospital-2024-03-18/

Can you see how a whole writeup was made without even mentioning Hamas once?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 3:47pm On Mar 18, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Of course Nairaland is full of the Macabre dance of Tenq around issues without directly addressing them.
Is the Quran 10:94 talking about origins of the word Bible or there is the claim by ANTIISLAM and supported or promulgated by you that Bible is distinctly mentioned in the Quran?

Why should I answer a question unrelated to the actual question? Did I claim to speak Greek? Oh I forget the Bible is a translation of a Greek written Bible to which it was translated from Hebrew, Aramaic or which ever Israelite language.

Is the Bible the only scripture used by the people before and more likely by some during the prophethood of Muhammad pbuh? Your friend SIRTEE15 clearly states Jesus reading a variant from the scrolls of Isaiah or are these scrolls too not scripture as the Book of Giants I mentioned earlier.

Too bad you and your lot failed to show Bible particularly written in the Quran.
Kindly stop your false claims.

Just tell me that the answers are embarrassing for you to say. How can you say the answer and still be correct?

Unfortunately for you, the Bible gives s the compilation of ALL the Scriptures of the Jews and ALL the scriptures of the Christians.

Can you give me the name of any Book of Allah not in our Bible?

Just two simple questions
Is it untrue that the word "Bible" comes from the Greek word "biblia," which means "book"?

According to you, what is the name of the scripture of the Christians?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 11:36am On Mar 18, 2024

Ahmadusmanu:
Let me address your misunderstanding.

Some of ur translations of the quran Hadith are seriously flawed with the malicious intent to mislead the general public.

Allah the most gracious,most merciful only do what befits his majesty.only he deserves to be worshipped, that's tauheed in islam.that is the message all the messengers of Allah preached to their people including prophet muhammad(s.a.w).you can find evidence all over the Torah and injeel.its funny to see a Christian who believes that he's powerful God was striped naked and whipped till coma by his creation then hanged on the cross for our sins can come and troll Our lord Almighty.
u said Jesus is a savior but he can't save himself from the cross, but rather crying for help to another God .go and seek for more knowledge pls.

Salam.

1. All my hadiths are quoted from translations as provided by your scholars in www.sunnah.com
2. All my Qur'an are quoted from your major translators except when the fraud of mistranslation is to be exposed.

Can you please help me with the proper translations of both the Qur'an and Hadiths that I quoted in page two of my writeup?

I wish salvation is deliverance from the pain of the cross but it isn't. Salvation is deliverance from the Judgement of Hell and that was what Jesus came from.

I hereby ask you some elementarily simple questions which you cannot answer truthfully :
1. Is it true or false that Allah comes down everyday at the third part of the night to listen to the prayers of you Muslims?
2. Is it true or false that the throne of Allah is over the waters above the seven heavens?
3. The God of the Jews and Christians is a Spirit and His name is Yahweh : Is the name of Allah Yahweh and is Allah a spirit?

Thank you

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 9:28am On Mar 18, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Ehya! The problem of little knowledge. Now you are shifting from Bible to scripture. Is there a difference? Perhaps you will show the false dilemma you present being that all scripture are not the Bible or are they? ANTIISLAM boldly holds that Bible is explicitly stated in the Quran verse 10:94 and you agree and support him. The simple question you both fail to answer is the exact word that is arabic for Bible in that verse. I have been waiting for you to show me and you pull another one Scripture.
Please isn't there a difference between Bible and Scripture from the point that not all scripture are the Bible. Clear case why so many scripture are excluded from the Biblical canon or isn't It? Did I not ask why the Book of Enoch was excluded from the Bible cannon? Is it not scripture?

The term أَهْلَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ (Ahl al-Kitab) is a common phrase in the Quran and is generally translated as “People of the Book” or “People of the Scripture.

The Arabic word كتاب (Kitab) has a broad range of meanings, including “book,” “writing,” “record,” or “scripture.” In the context of the Quran, it often refers to divine revelations and sacred texts. For example, in Surah Al-Baqarah (2:2), the Quran describes itself as “a Book whose verses are made clear and then detailed from One Who is Wise and Well-Acquainted [with all things].”

The problem with people that do single word translation without considering other words in the verse or context. So because you know simple addition of numbers you are now equal to the Engineer applying complex mathematical equations to create working and reproduceable innovation to ease or tackle tasks?

Get well educated and stop displaying stupid ignorance please. Unbaked flour dough.

And this is exactly why you don't ever see the stupidity of your meaningless assertions.

I have asked you the simple question several times now
Is it untrue that the word "Bible" comes from the Greek word "biblia," which means "book"?

You reek of the dumbest ignorance if you think that the Bible is NOT our scripture.
According to you, what is the name of the scripture of the Christians?

As usual, you would rather say everyother thing but answer the questions!

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 7:01am On Mar 18, 2024*

Ohyoudidnt:
Fantastic work at upholding your dishonesty.

Is the above without a definition of Bible or you didn't see It? What trash do you speak about Greek language and Bible? Is the word Bible explicitly said in the Quran and particularly in vs 10:94?

Show the word and stop creating answers to questions you weren't asked.

You claim كتاب (kitab) in Arabic means Bible where did you get this translation from? Show it here if you are a bit honest.

As stated before:

Once you can prove Kitab is Bible you are then worthy to ask other questions.

So, it is now my claim that kitab mean Bible!? SMH!
Muslims and lies are inseparable: why is it impossible for you to answer a simple question!

I have asked you a simple question
Is it untrue that the word "Bible" comes from the Greek word "biblia," which means "book"?

Check the translation of some of your scholars of the word kitab and answer why they translate it as scripture rather than book

Quran29:46
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender.

Tell me, is Pickthall a fool by consistently translating Kitab to scripture ?

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