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Christianity EtcRe: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ(op): 8:14am On Feb 05, 2024
honesttalk21:
The Baby is not the fluid gushing forth but what emerges from the woman after fluid gushed forth from the man.
I never asked you if the baby was the gushing fluid.

We know that the gushing fluid of the man according to your prophet is the SEMEN

What is the exact name of this light yellow fluid?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Yul Edochie Is Not Qualified To Be A Pastor by TenQ: 8:12am On Feb 05, 2024
OyinO:
Let it be known that the book you're quoting doesn't make sense to the MUSLIMS, HINDUISM, BUDDHISTS, SHINTOISM, CONFUCIUS, and over one thousand other belief systems, so quoting here doesn't make sense because in that same book so many evil deeds were perpetrated by those you regard as being righteous including your colonial Sky God that killed millions while Satan didn't kill anyone. Incest, genocide, killing of babies, mass murder of earth's inhabitants, creation of evil, human sacrifices (Jephthah and daughter), Satanism, et all in the same book. So don't quote some few selected portions to me while hiding and reserving the evil quotes. Quote Isaiah 45:7 and stop blaming imaginary Devil for the emergence of origin of sin and evil on earth.
Besides, all your bishops are fillthy people who Bleep young girls and involve in gay homosexual relations, sleep with other people's wives and masturbate to ponigraphy every day and night. Are they not the people who connive with the homopoliticus to enslave and exploit the dumb masses? Yeye
Yul Edochie identify as a Christian who claims to subscribes to this book!

To fake Bishops
Mat 7:22-23:
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity."


2Tim 2:19:
"Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 8:03am On Feb 05, 2024
honesttalk21:
How do you know God calls or sees you as his child? Where did the discussion take place? Can you invite me to witness this discussion to clear all doubts?
You asked a number of questions and I have answered them here:
If you do not read, you are at your peril: but I beg you to read carefully for comprehension.


How we know that God sees us as His child
1. We Trust in His integrity: if God made a promise, He fulfills it
Luk 11:13:
"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"


2. He puts in us His Spirit that bears witness with our spirit that we are now sons of God
Rom 8:14-16:
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but you have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit (of God) Himself self bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:"


3. We Accept His condition for becoming sons
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."


John 3:14-16:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes (in God's solution) in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."


honesttalk21:
What is meant by being born again? This is of course is not literal or is it? Is it in any way metaphorical? Is it not detachment from doing acts not accepted to be in line with the covenant and being regretful of any involvement in such deeds in the past? Is it not seeking the pardon of the ultimate judge; the almighty unique creator and master of all as well as the day of judgement?
1. Being Born again is NOT a metaphoric saying. It is a Spiritual REALITY! A person who is truly Born Again knows (of course, you can't understand)
John 3:7-8:
"Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."


2. Being Born Again is NOT a detachment from doing acts not accepted to be in line with the covenant and repentance from sin.
Detachment from sin and repentance are EVIDENCES that a person is truly Born Again?
A person who claims to be born again without this fruit to show is NOT Born Again.

3. To Be Born Again mean
a. God through His spirit has made you a new spirit by giving you a seal of ownership and a seal that guarantees paradise!
Eph 1:13-14:
"In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of his glory."


b. To have your name written in the Book of Life (the Register of Paradise)
Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Rev 21:27:
"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."


We become a new person only after we get born again.


honesttalk21:
Another misconception. Allah needs nothing.
O men! It is you, who stand in need of Allah, whereas He alone is self-sufficient, the One to whom all praise is due.

O people, it is you who stand in need of Allah; as for Allah, He is Self-Sufficient, Immensely Praiseworthy.

Please tell what need of Allah can mankind fulfil?

The interchangeability between the terms "servant" and "slave" has persisted through ancient times, highlighting their prevalence in numerous societies. You may argue that a servant is free while a slave is owned but in all despite your individuality who owns you?
You are not being truthful that Allah needs nothing
1. Allah needs worship from you: is this not the reason you Muslims claim that he created humans?
2. Allah needs slaves to worship him.
3. Allah need you to commit sin and if you don't, he will replace you with a people who will always commit sin and repent.


Of a truth, the God of Abraham NEED NOTHING from us.
1. We become His children because this is what God want for Himself.
John 3:16-17:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Christianity EtcRe: Why Yul Edochie Is Not Qualified To Be A Pastor by TenQ: 11:20pm On Feb 04, 2024
OyinO:
Whether title or office, I don't bloody care. What follows the title or office in explanation of his requirements is what I'm talking about and not the meaning of the word Bishop. Now take that to the banks and cash out.
1Tim 3:1-7:
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that rules well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God? ) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 11:08pm On Feb 04, 2024
honesttalk21:
You can interpret it to what you like. My point is what the phrase child of God pertains to. What does it pertain to?



Being a child of God is complying with the covenant and thus following the commands, worshipping and upholding righteous conduct as prescribed by God.

You repeatedly choose which to follow and neglect.

Romans 12:18, if it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

(Apparently this isn't possible for you)

You lay claim to being encouraged to preach the word (your word as a Christian) but does it tell you to force your word?
It doesn't Dawn on you that ONLY God Himself can call anyone His child? It isn't in the power of anyone to be able to choose to be a child of God.

This is why Jesus says that you must be Born Again : meaning your are born of the earth (body) then you must be born of God's Spirit to even qualify for heaven.

Of course you are a slave to Allah because he needs slaves. But Yahweh has always desired to choose from amongst humans those He can call His Children.

Only God can make you His child: it is not within the power of anyone to choose to become God's child. Every Child of God is given a seal of Ownership by God Himself. But of course, you cannot understand!

You can see how wrong you are in thinking you understand what it means to be a child of God?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 10:58pm On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
You never travel across the globe...to see how sun set in different regions with time...
According to event, He travelled far to end o south ,north, east, where there is only mountain no one living around there and He described the sun how it's set as if it entered the muldy or mulky sea... Now is saw some people oppressed group of people. Then he built a dam/fence with iron and copper ore / extract....

Then to our surprised now lately last year the scientist come out that they discovered lost Antarctica for like centuries
The Antarctica only have mountains, sea but nobody leave there
Another surprised there is a red seas in the Antarctica and scientist discovered that iron particles are the caused of the sea to turn red..

But am not mandating it that is where Magog lived before you twisted it again..
Mr twister
I thank God for the opportunity to travel at least to a few continents and I have been to a few oceans. Everywhere in the world, the sun sets at the horizon in the west. The horizon is the farthest point you can see when looking out at the evening setting sun.

The illogicality of the statement of Allah is confirmed with you desperately avoiding answering my questions.

Again :

1. According to the direct word of Allah,
Is it untrue that Allah says that Dhulqanain reached the setting place of the sun?
Did did he also appear to reach the setting place of the sun?


2. Did Allah says he found it AS IF the sun was setting in a pool of muddy water?

3. Let us assume that Dhuqhanain was seeing the sunset of the sun, Did Dhuqhanain also APPEAR to see a people there?

You don't get it.
The sun set anywhere you see it is the farthest you can see: did he see a people on an island so far away into the horizon?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 10:51pm On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
Nigeria is a Nation not city
But ur is a city not nation or trybe
You are certainly doing everything so that you won't answer my question.

Gen 11:28:
"And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees."

Did you see Chaldees?
Good!

Now, what is the name of the Tribe or nation in historical records of those DhulQanain found near the setting place of the sun?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 10:44pm On Feb 04, 2024
honesttalk21:
Kindly tell where Aisha complained about her relations her husband. I believe this is most important or any ailment she experienced due to her marriage. There alone is there a problem otherwise don't interfere with the dealings of a couple outside yours.
Why avoid the simple question?

Is an eight year old girl is mature enough for penetration with a man's adult sized fathering instrument?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 7:14pm On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
Am talking about the trybe of Noah
And then Melchizedek in the bible "
So when you answer it will proceed to give you my answer
Do you admit you are very Dishonest?

Here was your original question and it was answered perfectly

Expanse2020:
What trybe or nation is Noah ,Lot , and Abraham too
Now, you add Melchizedek!?




Now that I have answered your initial question completely , can you. please answer my questions.

Except your TRUE objective is to find a way to avoid answering my questions


Again to my question highlighted in yellow :

According to Allah, the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."


If this correctly stated by Allah?
Then please respond to this question
Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 7:05pm On Feb 04, 2024
honesttalk21:
"And among His Signs is this that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your [hearts]: verily in that are Signs for those who reflect" (Quran, Ar-Rum 30:21)

Does this not encourage the fundamental Islamic belief regarding the peaceful and loving nature of a marriage, rooted in consent and understanding between partners.

Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how you will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah (Al-Baqarah: 223).The phrase ‘but do some good act for your souls beforehand’ refers to the importance of pre-intimacy in increasing interest and making the matter easier.

The most perfect of believers are those most perfect in character; and the best amongst you are the best of you to your spouses.’ (Sunan al-Tirmidhi 1162)
Tell me, is having sex with a prepubescent married child in Islam a wicked or a good act?

According to (Al-Baqarah: 223):
Who determines what you do with your prepubescent married child in Islam?
Is it not about how you the pedophile husband will;

Did Allah tell Mohammed that an eight year old girl is mature enough for penetration with his adult sized fathering instrument?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 6:42pm On Feb 04, 2024
honesttalk21:
We cannot follow you to entertain a gross disrespect in saying Allah who is above all things can bear a child or pseudo bear one. It is best to grant Allah appropriate honour of uniqueness the sole creator and suatainer of all.
Did you not say we Christians misunderstood the term child of God!?

Did you not say :
Pointing out the reason of misunderstanding by Christians in not knowing the context of the phrase child of God.
I said:
If you are correct, then everyone is a child of God.
Or do you think it takes a special power to become a child of God?


Meaning you are wrong unless you can explain your quote and then answer my question
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 6:35pm On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
Ur is a name of city not trybe
Like calling Lagos a trybe in Nigeria check your fact very well... As for Noah to they should have their trybe with them whether they a nation or not
Are you not a Nigerian?
Is Nigeria not a country?
Or Nigeria is a tribe?

Come on, answer my question
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 6:32pm On Feb 04, 2024
TenQ:
According to both Allah and your prophet, the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Expanse2020:
Because of your cunny way, I will post what is on the page here
Until,
1. when he reached the setting of the sun,
2. he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and
3. he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."


So if they said a place where sunset your brain should tell you it's west side he referred too

And I have explain sunset for though the mulky way how it look like and I sent pictures to you so that if you don't the mean when you see the pictures you will understand it but you are decieving yourself only
1. According to the direct word of Allah,
Is it untrue that Allah says that Dhulqanain reached the setting place of the sun?
Did did he also appear to reach the setting place of the sun?


2. Did Allah says he found it AS IF the sun was setting in a pool of muddy water?

3. Let us assume that Dhuqhanain was seeing the sunset of the sun, Did Dhuqhanain also APPEAR to see a people there?

You don't get it.
The sun set anywhere you see it is the farthest you can see: did he see a people on an island so far away into the horizon?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 6:21pm On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
According to a christian, a spirit is a being on his own and you said he tell Moses, Abraham and other's what to do and I said show me in the bible where Moses and spirit interact or where spirit to Moses, Abraham, Jacob, what to do
My Question was simple: we Christians know what the spirit is.

I ask you, According to Islam:
What is a Spirit?


If you don't understand correctly what the Spirit is, how can you comprehend whatever I say to you?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 6:18pm On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
What trybe or nation is Noah ,Lot , and Abraham too
Abraham and Lot are from Ur
Gen 11:31:
"And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came to Haran, and dwelled there."


At the time of Noah, the earth was of one language and there were no tribes. Cities and tribes came AFTER the flood.

Gen 5:29:
"And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD has cursed."



Now that I have answered you, can you. please answer my questions.


Again to my question highlighted in yellow :

According to Allah, the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."


If this correctly stated by Allah?
Then please respond to this question
Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets?
Christianity EtcRe: A Slip Of Tongue by Allah In The Qur'an : Allah Is NOT the God of Israel! by TenQ(op): 5:58pm On Feb 04, 2024
Sorry for the lengthy response :
I wanted to touch almost everything you said sir:

Almunjid:
Who is "Yahweh" in Islam?
It's true that there are 99 names of Allah mentioned in the Quran. The misconception is that the names of Allah are not restricted to 99 only. It only means there are 99 names of Allah captured in the Qur'an, but there are other names of Allah not mentioned in the Qur'an.
In addition, there's a hidden name of God in the Qur'an as discovered by the Sufists (Muslim mystics and ascetics) in the following Verses of the Qur'an chapter 59 verses 22-24:

22. "He" is Allah. There is no god but "He", the Knower of secrets and declarations. He is the Compassionate, the Merciful.

23. He is Allah; besides Whom there is no god; the Sovereign, the Holy, the Peace-Giver, the Faith-Giver, the Overseer, the Almighty, the Omnipotent, the Overwhelming. Glory be to Allah, beyond what they associate.

24. He is Allah; the Creator, the Maker, the Designer. His are the Most Beautiful Names. Whatever is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Him. He is the Majestic, the Wise.

Allah also says:
Say He is Allah the one... Quran 112:1

The Romanized version of the text of the first sentence of verse 22 is: Huwah Allah(u) ladhi la ilaha illa Huwah. Meaning:
"He" is Allah. There is no god but "He"

The name as seen Above is "Huwah" (or Hovah). The name was translated as "He" a pronoun used in place of Allah.
In Arabic, to call on God with this name, u need to add a prefix of "Ya" (or 'Je') to it, Allah becames "Ya-Allah" and Huwah becomes Ya-Huwah ( Jehovah, Yahweh as u may call it). In the case on Jehovah, Y in "Ya-Huwah" is replaced with "J" and "W" changed to V in some tribes. This is unknown to most Muslims.
The above verse: "He" (Huwah) is Allah. There is no god but "He" (Huwah). It's like saying: "Yahweh" is Allah, There is no god but "Yahweh". Similarly, Quran Chapter 112 verse 1: Qul "Huwah" Allah(u) A'had... Meaning, Say, He's Allah, the One (and only true God).
Same as saying; Say, Yahweh is Allah The one (and only true God). Suprise? grin That's because we're both following the same religion. But we think we're worshipping different God's. That's why Islam Christianity and Judaism are called Abrahamic religion (they're all from the same source; from Yahweh, Allah, Elohim and Alaha).

So, if u say Jehovah or Yahweh, most Muslims may think it's another God you're talking about, which is not true. This is as a result of language barrier and lack of proper understanding of the Scripture (Qur'an).

Ali, one of the companions of Prophet Muhammad also called on God (Allah) as Yahweh and Prophet recommended it saying that it's the greatest name of Allah:
According a tradition (Hadith) by the Shia Muslims, Imam Amir-ul-Mo'mineen Ali (p.b.u.h.) says: On the night before the battle of Badr I saw 'Khidr' (pious man of God mentioned in Quran) in my dream. I asked him to teach me something with which I would defeat the enemies. He told me: 'Say: Ya-huwah ya mân la ilaha illa "Huwah". The next morning I told the Messenger of Allah Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) what had happened, and he (p.b.u.h.) said: 'O Ali you have been taught the Greatest Name (of Allah) '. Thereafter, I repeatedly said the phrase in the battle of Badr.
No sir, there is no semblance between Huwa or Ya-Huwa to Yahweh sir.

Sunan Ibn Majah 3855
It was narrated from Asma' bint Yazid that :
the Messenger of Allah (saas) said: "The Greatest Name of Allah is in these two Verses: And your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (God - Allah), La Ilaha Illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.' And at the beginning of Surah Al 'Imran."


La Ilaha Illa Huwa mean none has the right to be worshipped but He!

You can also compare it to your prophets hadith in
Sunan Abi Dawud 1493
Narrated Buraydah ibn al-Hasib:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) heard a man saying: O Allah, I ask Thee, I bear witness that there is no god but Thou, the One, He to Whom men repair, Who has not begotten, and has not been begotten, and to Whom no one is equal, and he said: You have supplicated Allah using His Greatest Name, when asked with this name He gives, and when supplicated by this name he answers.


I think you are overstretching Islam to accommodate Yahweh Sir and it is bothering on Taqqiya!

Almunjid:
Few Arabs during the time of Prophet Muhammad avoided worshipping idols. Prophet Muhammad's family are among the few families who still follow the religion of Abraham among the Quraysh tribe of Arab because of that they were made the custodians of Kaaba (baca), the House of God built by prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael.
No sir!
Prophet Mohammed himself said that his parents are in hell for being mushriks: and he cannot even intercede for them.
You probably have not read this hadith
Sahih Muslim 203
Anas reported:
Verily, a person said: Messenger of Allah, where is my father? He said: (He) is in the Fire. When he turned away, he (the Holy Prophet) called him and said: Verily my father and your father are in the Fire.

If they follow the Religion of Abraham, what are they both doing in hell

Almunjid:
The Bible says:
...As they pass through the Valley of Baca,
they make it a place of springs;
the autumn rains also cover it with pools. They go from strength to strength,
till each appears before God in Zion.

Prophet Muhammad before Islam worshipped God (Yahweh) based on the old teachings of Prophet Abraham. He usually fast and go to mountain to pray and meditate, it was one of those visits to mount Sinai that Angel Gabriel appeared to him and commanded him "to read" (iqrah) and he said to the Angel that he's not learned (can't read) (Quran 96:1) . A prophesy mentioned in the Bible that a holy Book shall be delivered to him him who is not learned and say to him "read":

The Bible says:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Isaiah 29:12 )

Islam, Christianity and Judaism are one religion. Any Muslim who worshipped another aside Yahweh mentioned in the Bible as gone astray. Our differences is that we worshipped Him in different ways. We're also divided as a result of man made doctrines and wrong interpretations of the word of God.
Jesus Christ said in the Bible:
And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:9)
Majority of Christians have gone astray, as mentioned in Quran (The opening chapter 1:7) but they (the Christians) do not know.
Allah says in the Quran:
...If only the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) had faith (in Allah and follow Islam), it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors ( i.e making unto themselves graven images and following doctrines made by men). (Quran 3:110)

Christians keep seeing Muslims as unbelievers, unknown to them that Islam is the continuation of Judaism and Christianity. Islam and Muslims also have their own challenges, the Jihad has been misinterpreted by some scholars, they used it to lure Young Muslims into terrorism. I believe all these challenges are as a result of "end time", they're bound to happen, if u don't cause it others will. The prophesy must be fulfilled.

I'll stop here. I took my time to explain things to u because u sound like a person who truly wants to know the truth different from what u believed to be the truth and I hope this write-up clarified some misconceptions about "Allah" to u. Please, don't keep this info to ur self. Share with others.
Prophet Muhammad said:
The best among us are those who learnt the word of God and teach it to others.



Shalom!
Let's assume the Christians have missed it, What is the Offence of the Jews?
Don't forget you Pray against us Christians five times a day that Allah should not make you like us

Then, You have quoted to bible verses completely wrongly sir.

Ps 84:4-7:
"Blessed are they that dwell in your house: they will be still praising you. Selah. Blessed is the man whose strength is in you; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also fills the pools. They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appears before God."


The "Valley of Baca" is a symbolic place. "Baca" is often interpreted as a dry or weeping place. The psalmist portrays those on the journey to God's presence turning the dry valley into a place of springs and pools, signifying transformation and blessings even in challenging circumstances.

If you disagree, explain the place of Zion in verse 7.

You quoted Isaiah 29:12
Isa 29:10-12:
"For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers has he covered. And the vision of all is become to you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray you: and he said, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray you: and he said, I am not learned."


Who did the Lord pour out the spirit of deep sleep and closed his eyes?
Is it your prophet Mohammed?
For verse 12 refers to this same identity!


But it is a lie of satan to say that Mohammed cannot read.
Mohammed can both read and write sir.
What the Qur'an says is that Mohammed is unlearned in the scriptures (before him)!
I am surprised you don't know that sir!
If you need proof, I can give you sir!

Islam, Christianity and Judaism is NOT one religion sir! If it is, why would Allah use Christians and Jews as a ransome from Hell fire for you Muslims?


I appreciate your time to explain except that you seem to miss a lot of spiritual truths.
If I ask you this question, would you be able to answer it objectively

1. Out of Jesus and Mohammed, who do you think should be more qualified to intercede for any human being on earth?

2. Why do you think (according to Islamic teachings), that Jesus is the only human being
a. Who does not have a Father but have a mother
b. Who is both the Word of God and the Spirit from Him
c. Who is a Co-creator of LIFE (bird) with Allah
d. Who is bodily in heaven at this time 2000+ years ago?
e. Who knows what we hide in our rooms

Is he just a mere prophet?
What was Allah trying to achieve, because Allah has succeeded in converting almost 3 billion people to Christians with his action on the reason Allah sent Jesus to the earth.


I truly from my heart ask you to ask deep questions about the Messiah and His purpose upon the earth and you will see that He gives Eternal Life to ALL who will trust and follow Him.

John 1:12:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
Christianity EtcRe: A Slip Of Tongue by Allah In The Qur'an : Allah Is NOT the God of Israel! by TenQ(op): 5:58pm On Feb 04, 2024
Almunjid:
You're wrong. The Aramaic word for "God" is Alaha or Elah which is similar to the Arabic "Allah" and Hebrew word for God Eloah/Elohim. See the word "Allah" in Wikipedia.
I wasn't wrong.
You have forgotten that Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic are all semitic languages.
I have not denied that Allah, Eloah, Elohim or even Elah does not mean DEITY or God: not as the name BUT a description of the Title. When anyone says the word God, we know what they mean BUT the question is WHICH Deity or which God?

The God of the Buddhist is different from the God of the Muslims

Almunjid:
What is your evidence that Jesus did not speak Hebrew but Aramaic?
Just before Jesus died, He cried out in "Aramaic" as mentioned in the book of Matthew:
"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” (Matthew 27:46)

In Hebrew, the saying would be " אֵלִי אֵלִי, לָמָה עֲזַבְתָּנִי‎" (ēlī ēlī, lāmā 'azabtānī in Biblical Hebrew, eli eli lama azavtani in Modern Hebrew pronunciation), while the Syriac-Aramaic phrase according to the Peshitta would be Syriac: ܐܝܠܝ ܐܝܠܝ ܠܡܐ ܫܒܩܬܢܝ, romanized: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? (Matthew 27:46)

As u know, the Arabic word for God Almighty is Allah, "My God, My God" in Arabic is ilahi, ilahi. So Matthew 27:46 in Arabic would read: إلهي، إلهي لما تركتني. Romanized: ilahi, ilahi lima "taraqtani". Sounds similar right? That's because Arab and Jews are Family (through Abraham, Arab decended from Ishmael while Jews descended from Isaac), they share similar language and culture.
I said Jesus spoke both Hebrew and Aramaic!

Here Jesus usually go to the synagogue to READ the scripture written in Hebrew not Aramaic

Luk 4:16:
"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."


The scripture is written in Hebrew sir and the language of worship of the Jews was in Hebrew!


Almunjid:
Allah says concerning Jews and Arabs and Abrahamic religion:
Verily, this nation (or People) of yours is one nation and I am your Lord, therefore worship Me" (Quran 21:92).
Arabs and Jews are one, they share same God (Yahweh), those among Arabs worshipping or bowing to other gods (i.e idols beside Yahweh) do so as a result of them being misguided and astray from the right path.
This is the claim from Allah and it is not necessarily true.
Why do you think Allah hates the Jew so much to the point of exterminating them against the promise of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who gave Israel an everlasting covenant! You seem not to know that!

I asked you:
Is Allah a Spirit because the God of the Jews and Christians is a Spirit!

What even is a spirit according to Islam?

Do you know the answer to both questions above?


Almunjid:
It is a misconception that Arabs worshipped an idol called "Allah". Arabs were family of Prophet Abraham who worshipped only one God (Allah or Yahweh). The religion and way of Abraham was corrupted later, leading to most Arabs worshipping idol as a way to convey their prayers to the supreme being (Yahweh) who as no image or idol through idols of people and saints (little gods) they believe can take their prayers to the most high God (The God of Abraham). That made them to start worshipping Baal, Laat, Huzzah, Manat etc. As mentioned in Quran.
Allah says:
Will ye call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators (Allah/Yahweh). Allah/Yahweh, your Lord and the Lord of your forefathers (Abraham, Noah etc)? (Quran 37:125)
Contrary to ur believe, this verse shows that Arabs were not worshipping Allah/Yahweh directly, but idols like Baal and other idols in place of Allah/Yahweh. They called these idols as their "A'liha" (their gods or deities)

The Arab idolators who made images and idols for God (Yahweh) justified their actions.
Allah says:
And those who take Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (Allah) say: "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allâh (Yahweh the Most high God) ." Verily, Allâh will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allâh guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever. (Qur'an 39:3)
The Arabs created their own gods, they worship and channel all their prayers to them, hoping that these "gods" will convey their prayers to the most high God (Yahweh), they believe their prayers cannot reach Yahweh except through intermediaries (small gods such as Baal, Laat etc).
Unfortunately, you're above is not true.
Note:
Is it untrue that Arab was a collective name given to several people who live in the desert? There is no real prove that the Meccans are descended from Abraham.

Let me prove it for you: According to you Muslims, every tribe has the prophet sent to it.
Who then was the first prophet sent to the Arabs in particular Mecca?


On the issue of the God's the Meccans worship: You and I know that they worship several deities including Allah, Baal,Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Al-Manat etc. It is said that the Kaaba housed about 360 deities. All Mohammed did was to UNIFY them into one name Allah!
Will you tell me that Allah is not Ahad?
What does Ahad truly mean in normal day to day Arabic?

Here are some points to buttress this:
1. The Father of Mohammed was a mushrik (idolater) : his name was Abdullah!
Is it untrue that Abdullah means slave of Allah?
2. Is it untrue that the Arabs of Mohammeds time know that Allah had three daughters (which the upgraded Allah of Mohammed rejected) Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Al-Manat?


You quoted Qur'an 37:125

Will ye call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators (Allah/Yahweh). Allah/Yahweh, your Lord and the Lord of your forefathers (Abraham, Noah etc)? (Quran 37:125)

How can Allah be the Yahweh when he isn't the ONLY Creator?

Almunjid:
Let me cite an example for u. Some Christians (especially Roman Catholics) which I'm sure not one of them, worship God through the image or idols of Jesus and his mother marry as deities as a way to reach out or communicate with Yahweh (The most high God). That was how many Arabs deviated from the old religion taught by Abraham and started worshipping idols.
Catholics have deviated from the teachings of the Bible that prohibits bowing for images of any god.
The Bible says:
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me... (Exodus 20:4-5)
I am not a Catholic and I detest having any image representation of anything in worship.
However, it is untrue that the Catholics worship God "through the image or idols of Jesus and his mother marry as deities as a way to reach out or communicate with Yahweh"

No Catholic will agree with you on this!
But like I said:
I am not a Catholic and I detest having any image representation of anything in worship. This is not what the Bible teaches

Almunjid:
This deviation is as a result of the Roman cultural practices and influence on Christianity, they changed Sabbath day to Sunday (the day they worship their Sun god), Christmas to December etc. In many Years to come, if care is not taken, Majority of Christians will be like the Arabs, they'll be worshipping Yahweh through image of Jesus and His mother and if u asked they'll say, just like the Arabs say: "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Yahweh". Now can we say that Yahweh or Elohim or Alaha are idols worshipped by Christians? Same thing applicable to Allah, Allah is Yahweh, is teachings got interpolated and Arabs started worshipping idols. They filled the Kaaba (house of God) with their own created idols (graven images used in place of the Yahweh the God of Abraham).
Christians are not bound to the civil laws prescribed for the Jews. The Sabbath was made for man's rest, it isn't for God. This was the teachings of Jesus.

Therefore in Saudi Arabia where Christians cannot worship on Sundays, they use either Friday or Saturday as it doesn't affect us in any ways.

Now interestingly,
Why are you Muslims not worshiping on the Sabbath like prescribed in the Torah?
Is it not supposed to the the same God you worship with the Jews?
Why did you Muslims stop facing Jerusalem in worship and you face Mecca?



I am bold to say that Allah is NOT Yahweh for a number of reasons. I feel that you modern Muslims are trying to solve a problem created with the fact that you don't know Yahweh in Islam.
1. I am aware that Allah has more than 99 names and you Muslims wi normally cling to the 99. Now, which of the extended list of the name of Allah is Yahweh?
2. Can you find me one Hadith of your prophet (of the several thousands) that used the name YHWH
3. Which of your scholars of old fr Al-Tabari, to Ibn Kathir, to Al Moududi, to Ibn Abbas etc used the name YHWH?

If you cannot find a good example for me, your claim that Allah is Yahweh is a desperate Taqqiya that may earn me a death sentence if I went to any mosque and shouted "Yahweh hu Akbar"!

LOL : My friend, don't kill me before my time o!
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 4:10pm On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
Table it here let analysis..
If we show you wrong things in the bible will you admit..
1. The God of the Christians and Jews never put a challenge of authenticity to the Bible anywhere in it
2. Your Allah either seem to be ignorant of the book in our hands or he assumed it to be correct

Therefore, are you correcting the assumption of Allah?

I have given you one from the Qur'an as it take just one error to disprove the Allah that wrote the Qur'an.


Again :
The Holy Spirit doesn't write nor does He dictate, He tells Moses to write: and Moses will write according to his own understanding and style of writing.

Unlike Allah who wrote the Qur'an in a tablet in heaven. And sent Jibril to dictate to Mohammed and not even one diacritical mark is different in the Qur'an you have in your hands.

Just one error is enough to disprove that the Quran is NOT from God the Creator!


Again:
Like the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."


If this correctly stated by Allah?
Then please respond to this question
Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 4:04pm On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
Show us in the bible verse where holly spirit come to
Moses
Abraham
Isaac
And other except Jesus and talked to them
Show us where interaction of those ppl with holy spirit
What is a Spirit?

If you don't understand correctly what the Spirit is, how can you comprehend whatever I say to you?


Until you cross this bridge, you are lost!
What is a Spirit according to the Qur'an?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 4:02pm On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
I have explain the mulky sky for you but you fail to understand so I don't need to go back and start again...that one has gone it left for you to rant.....
According to both Allah and your prophet, the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."


If this correctly stated by Allah?
Then please respond to this question
Please what is the name of the tribe or nation in history that lives beside this murky water
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 3:58pm On Feb 04, 2024
honesttalk21:
Pointing out the reason of misunderstanding by Christians in not knowing the context of the phrase child of God.
Really!
If you are correct, then everyone is a child of God.
Or do you think it takes a special power to become a child of God?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Yul Edochie Is Not Qualified To Be A Pastor by TenQ: 11:27am On Feb 04, 2024
OyinO:
Is he a Bishop? Is he vying for the post of a bishop? He's more than qualified. Your reason for disqualification holds no water.
The word Bishop means LEADER, OVERSEER or ELDER in the Church : I't doesn't mean the Title but the Office!
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 11:05am On Feb 04, 2024
Please,
What is a Spirit?
Until you cross this bridge, you are lost!

AntiChristian:
As your holy spirit guided you to interpret so you interpret! Your holy spirit is error prone!

This has been explained several times but your holy spirit is too stubborn! He'll never accept anything except whatever it has been programmed with!


Which numerical value is correct here?
Again :
The Holy Spirit doesn't write nor does He dictate, He tells Moses to write: and Moses will write according to his own understanding and style of writing.

Unlike Allah who wrote the Qur'an in a tablet in heaven. And sent Jibril to dictate to Mohammed and not even one diacritical mark is different in the Qur'an you have in your hands.

Just one error is enough to disprove that the Quran is NOT from God the Creator!


Again:
Like the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."


If this correctly stated by Allah?
Then please respond to this question
Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 11:01am On Feb 04, 2024
AntiChristian:
Don't divert from the points I raised! God sent Moses and Moses had holy spirit according to your Bible
You don't seem to get it.
The Holy Spirit doesn't write nor does He dictate, He tells Moses to write: and Moses will write according to his own understanding and style of writing.

Unlike Allah who wrote the Qur'an in a tablet in heaven. And sent Jibril to dictate to Mohammed and not even one diacritical mark is different in the Qur'an you have in your hands.

Therefore: You have the shameless effrontery to compare a book written by Allah to a book written by Moses!?
Are you comparing Allah with Moses!?



AntiChristian:
You won't be able to run away. Moses and others killed everyone and spared virgin babies and adults for themselves! Than they gave God his share from this booty!

This is the worst from your Bible!

Tell us the offence of the baby virgins they spared for themselves! Tell us why God didn't condemn all these?
Even though, you cannot comprehend this:
You forgot that the Law of Moses was "an eye for an eye" (which your prophet through Allah copied badly in the Qur'an). Therefore, in those days warfare was brutal and it was tit for tat.
Nations that were grossly wicked (like sacrificing even their babies to Molech by the fire) e.g. Jericho got the Judgement of total annihilation: according to God's instruction . Those there were terrible but not as evil got their young ones as captives of war.

The offence of babies in these war : is none other than collateral damage and evil in war.

Those slavesbwho became servants in the house of God to clean, wash and do any heavy work are deemed for God!

Can you tell me:
When your prophet slaughtered 700 Jewish men and boys with even a single strand of micro hair on their public area and took their properties and their wives and their babies to be raped: was he serving Allah or himself?


What was the gross evil of the Bani Israel that warranted his action?


AntiChristian:
One thing you'll never understand is that you don't sleep with a lady until she's ready for it. Was your Joseph sleeping with Mary immediately she was married to him?

And the reason for divorce should be between them as it doesn't concern you!
When will you stop lying :
Show me a Hadith that says this :
As Muslims, Is it untrue that you are allowed to perform EVERY act of your sexual fantasies on the baby girl you have married? Does it stop you from trying UNTIL the day you succeed?

Can the reason of divorce with a baby be determined by the girl or unilaterally by his pedophile husband?

This is a command of Allah who could ban adoption but give instructions for divorcing baby girls after having various disgusting carnal knowledge of them.

On your quote of the Bible translations with with numeric discrepancies: Your Allah seem not to be troubled with it: except you will conceded that Allah was ignorant of the content of the scripture that was in our hands during the time he was revealing the Qur'an to Mohammed. Did not your prophet swear with his right hand on the book of the Jews. Sorry, you fat no case.

It is you Muslims who have set a standard only God should be able to meet with your scripture and on it, it failed miserably.

Qur'an 4:82
Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.


Just one error is enough to disprove that the Quran is NOT from God the Creator!


Again:
Like the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."


If this correctly stated by Allah?
Then please respond to this question
Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 8:43am On Feb 04, 2024
AntiChristian:
There's nothing to explain. A woman has no marriage age in Islam. She can be married anytime.

And this is found in your Bible too when Moses and other killed all deflowered women and all men in Numbers 31. Even baby girls were not mentioned to be spared! All non-virgins were kept for themselves after they killed the deflowered women!

You should tell us why your merciful and loving God killed all men and boys even babies and infants!
Killed all deflowered females and spared only undeflowered girls and ladies for themselves!

Is this a mistake from God?

They gave God a share of 32 booty in Numbers 31:40.

Was God given baby girls or matured girls?
Who selected the virgins and how were they selected?

Expanse2020
You have the shameless effrontery to compare a book written by Allah to a book written by Moses!?
Are you comparing Allah with Moses!?


Tell me how sparing virgins and girls during ancient wars equivalent to DIVORCING underage girls who have not started mensuration?

What could be their offence warranting divorce ?

AntiChristian, you married a six year old girl and you divorce her because she cries of pain during painful penetration of your instrument of reproduction : what do you expect sir?
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 8:34am On Feb 04, 2024
AntiChristian:
Yeah! Wrong because your holy spirit aka IQ will never comprehend it!

Many parts of the Bible is wrong too but you'll quickly tell lies that it isn't and you can explain them!

And you'll say is we don't have Holy spirit to interpret your scriptures but your own holy spirit can interpret ours?
Like the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."




Is this correctly stated by Allah?

Only Muslims can justify its correctness : it is obvious that this Allah never ever once saw our solar system! God CANNOT make this terrible blunder sir! It is only understandable if the error is made by Mohammed (after all, he is human)
Christianity EtcRe: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 4:59am On Feb 04, 2024
Expanse2020:
Which part of Quran is false table it here let enlightening you rather than the lies ur pastor put for brain
Many parts of the Qur'an is wrong, but will you listen and learn for God cannot make such silly errors.
CrimeRe: Blasphemy: Residents Burn Neighbour’s House, Car In Katsina Over Facebook Post by TenQ: 1:04pm On Feb 01, 2024
nicho450:
I think it is better we see the content of the post
I agree with you sir
CrimeRe: Blasphemy: Residents Burn Neighbour’s House, Car In Katsina Over Facebook Post by TenQ: 10:29am On Feb 01, 2024
nicho450:
Uninstalling is different from criticising.
Uninstalling can easily sound like criticism because you have to show with evidence that the subject in question has swallowed a deception from Satan.

To Muslims especially, they take offence to someone showing them that they are on the way to hell because of what they have believed as truth.
CrimeRe: Blasphemy: Residents Burn Neighbour’s House, Car In Katsina Over Facebook Post by TenQ: 9:56am On Feb 01, 2024
nicho450:
Religion na face your front.

We are called to preach Christ and not to condemn what people practice.

Just preach the gospel and go your way
!

There is no way to preach Christ to one who has been sincerely mislead to follow satan thinking he is following God without first UNINSTALLING what satan has already put in their heads: only after this will the Gospel of Christ sink into their hearts and minds.

There is nothing like passive Christianity!

When you touch a nerve, the enemy will come for you!

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