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Expanse2020:
You should answer my question lfirst then I answer urs

Expanse2020:
If it wrong in your face that sperm change to clot tell me why it's wrong you didn't mention where and how it's wrong with a proof

But answer me correctly
Where does rib join to in skeleton
And where does the pelvic which hold carvix join too

The females discharge that produce egg how does it form


Don't argue blantly without verification brother that is how person learn...

honesttalk21:
Do tell

LegalWolf:
LOL!

In response to your question (which I did with extreme reluctance to avoid the charge of 'not always answering you'), here is what I think:
1. Israel should not have blockaded Gaza

LegalWolf:
2. Israel should have allowed food, drink and basic life support enter Gaza

LegalWolf:
3. Israel should have afforded Palestinians basic human rights such as food, shelter, human decency and what not.

LegalWolf:
4. Israel should not have built settlements outside the 67' borders and relocated approx. 700k people into Palestinian territories.
5. The list is practically endless.

LegalWolf:
That should answer your questions as you did answer mine... Isn't it? I have had numerous conversation with you to know your stand from the first brush. I can correctly predict that this conversation would be fruitless, distasteful, IQ reducing and devoid of any substantial intellectual benefit to me or anyone.

So enjoy yourself!

Expanse2020:
No

Virginal discharge Source
https://www.healthline.com/health/womens-health/what-is-discharge#:~:text=Vaginal%20discharge%20is%20made%20up,more%20vaginal%20discharge%20than%20usual.

What to expect
Vaginal discharge usually begins around the time a girl gets her first period. It can start up to six months before you have your first period. This is when the body is undergoing many hormonal changes. The type of vaginal discharge your body produces can shift during your menstrual cycle and during your lifetime. You may find it is heavier or lighter at different times.

Generally, healthy vaginal discharge:

appears clear or white in color
has a slight odor, but not one that is strong smelling
can leave a yellowish tint on your underwear
changes in consistency depending on your menstrual cycle
Vaginal discharge is made up of fluids from your uterus, cervix, and vagina. When your body releases an egg from your ovary, you may notice that your vaginal discharge is thicker. This change in discharge may can indicate peak fertility times.

During pregnancy, your body may produce more vaginal discharge than usual. As you age and experience menopause, your body may produce less or no vaginal discharge because the body is no longer ovulating and estrogen levels shift. As a result, women who are in perimenopause, menopause, or postmenopause may experience vaginal dryness
You can read more about
The discharge varies sometime but mostly thin
Am not going deep in this because you may not be married Man...
But as long has they discover that yellow stain on the underwear My prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H is not a liar that why they name it Al AMEEN (the trustworthy) during his childhood

Expanse2020:
2.The second question
If you look at the skeleton very well you will see that spinal cord is join in the carvix area and in woman there is
Mammalian gland which is cover with the ribs(ribs actually call tharoib and what Allah is saying in that area is mammalian gland) of women and the mammalian gland is responsible for menses, creating of placenta and the feeding of the baby in the womb and after delivery.....
Allah is actually talking about the how those thing produce the females stuffs

Check the picture attached for the overly duct
The ovum contain the egg inside the egg is a yolk(a yolk is the fluid or liquid think in the egg
which contains only Nucleus )
For example the birds or reptile break it you will only find the yellow nucleus name yolk in it

I hope am xommunicating

Expanse2020:
[s]The Bible is not a scientific book my friend: the Bible is the chronicle of God's dealings with a people and the consequence of their response to His will[/s]
So you are not ashamed to say this
That your God doesn't know Science
Doesn't know biology of his creation
Doesn't know anatomy of his creation

But the Mighty Allah challenge your forefather from Jew till today to produce a verse equal to a verse in the Quran....but ney you can't

Take home verse
Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong.

honesttalk21:
i) Yes Imran is the father of Mary

b) Imran

In the Quran, the father of Moses is not named.

honesttalk21:
Did I specifically claim that Mary is actually/literally the sister of Aaron?
Putting lies again?

Is your explanation of Mary being the daughter of Heli a fact? Do tell if Heli begat Mary and how? Through which wife that is Mary's mother?

Do tell exactly what the lies or wrong of the scholars are in easily understandable terms.

LegalWolf:
Expectedly, you keep returning to intellectual trenches. I am not asking for what you think Israel should do. Nah!!! Do you support what they have done ?

Quite a simple question.

Expanse2020:
Don't mind them they don't do science, no biology knowledge and no anatomy Know and they don't want to learn from the learn religion
Proof us wrong from your Bible that your God created that our Book is wrong on the creation of man
Proof us wrong If you dear

honesttalk21:
This response of yours is odd. Are you justifying your lie on who Mary's father is? Pathetic. He lies without any remorse!

What verses on Jews and Christians? It's better you redisplay so it can be easily and readily accesed but have we concluded that you have no basis on your challenge on who Mary is?

Let's get that clear and not jumble issues with TENQGISH GALLOPING

honesttalk21:
SirTee15 indeed has adequate knowledge of the medical sciences and has shared good material of early to late fetal anatomy. Well let's present what you surely overlooked.

When do blood cells begin to develop in a newly fertilised zygote.

You surely know how early blood cell development begins in a young embryo. This is as early as the seventh day of embryonic life.

Red blood cells are essential in delivering oxygen to tissues and the development of vascular channels during embryogenesis.

Now lets look at Quran 23:14

Al-Mu'minun 23:14

ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا ٱلنُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا ٱلْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا ٱلْمُضْغَةَ عِظَٰمًا فَكَسَوْنَا ٱلْعِظَٰمَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَٰهُ خَلْقًا ءَاخَرَۚ فَتَبَارَكَ ٱللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ ٱلْخَٰلِقِينَ

Sahih Translation of the meaning.
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allāh, the best of creators.

Amongst the issues of cintention are sperm becoming clot of blood but we review what is translated to mean this; alaqah;عَلَقَةًۭ. How is this word translated?

Alaqah could mean any or all of leech, suspended thing, and blood clot. Do you not see similar things at this stage of embryonic development?

The newly formed zygote attaches itself to the uterine wall of the impregnated mother in a fashion similar to a leech. It obtains nutrition from the blood of the mother like a leech will do.

Is the embro suspended within the womb of the mother? Yes it is.

At this early stage when there is a relatively large amount of blood present in the embryo which is not yet circulating as the circulatory system is not yet developed would it not seem like a blood clot?

Indeed the sperm drop becomes something that clings after fertilization of the ovum.

SIRTeee15:
Leave am. I will expose him as a quack now. He's not the first and won't be the last.

honesttalk21:
Specifically you Tenq aka twister of truth and grand deceiver using garrulous talk and gish galloping failed to show me exactly who is the actual father of Mary who bore Jesus and who her mother is from your Bible.

You lie that her father is Heli when he is not and cannot tell me who her mother is. How then can you correctly say that she is not a descendant of Amran and due to her being a female akin to a sister of Aaron in discipline and faith extra reference to her spiritual piety?

Oh no. Who are the Biological parents of Mary who bore Jesus for a repeated time? Tell me or agree that you don't know and base your reservations on just your whims.

Why can't the Bible be wrong? Isn't it a book of many authors with their variant recollections of events which must be influenced by their individual or authoritative bias?

Don't use another lie to defend established lies.

SIRTeee15:
At no stage in fertilization or embryology does a fetus look like a blood clot or concealed blood.
Stop the lie.
The blood clots that are seen in miscarriage is from the mother's womb.
That's why when pregnant women bleed. We specifically ask them if they have seen tissue because this is actually the fetus and it confirms miscarriage.
Blood clots only does not confirm miscarriage.

Expanse2020:
Alhamdulillah it's good to learn about your maker in the beautiful way by the end of everything one they when you see light you will look fo me, lukgaf to take your shaadah in Sha Allah.,
You Sha know the truth and Sha set you free😂😂😂

Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) said seek knowledge from the baby till you die
In another hadiths he said find knowledge even if you have to go far as West (China) to seek knowledge which means Muslims always seek for Know
Back to our discussion I have explain it before but you need knowledge to understand this
You will need to study and understand human anatomy for a complex sentence like that

Qur'an 86:5-7


“So let man see from what he is created!
He is created from a water gushing forth[sperms) Qur'an 86:5-7
“So let man see from what he is created!

Proceeding from between the back-

1. Yolk and inside yolk we have nucleus which turn to a grown man like you later

2 Yes theemale reproductive which form the menses are fluid coming from thier Uper part of the body (ribs region)
Have you ask yourself why the menses stop when a woman get pregnant...
3. And science didn't tell us that the egg is a solid (like a block)one and remember when sperm swim inside the egg(if the egg is a solid state it can't be broken by a lazy sperm) it mix with thier female York which is nucleus and begin to form zygote

1. Yolk and inside yolk we have nucleus which turn to a grown man like you later

2 Yes the female reproductive which form the menses are fluid coming from thier Uper part of the body (ribs region)
Have you ask yourself why the menses stop when a woman get pregnant...

3. And science didn't tell us that the egg is a solid (like a block)one and remember when sperm swim inside the egg(if the egg is a solid state it can't be broken by a lazy sperm) it mix with thier female York which is nucleus and begin to form zygote

honesttalk21:
So in the name of genealogya here you will lie that Heli is the father of Mary.

Why doesn't this apply to the other Mary; Miriam who married Caleb the son of Yefuneh. She is called the daughter of Amran isn't it?

You defend your categorical lie with inability to understand? I didn't ask of the genealogical father of Mary but actual father of Mary.

This revelation shows why you refused to backup your claims with biblical verses on her parentage. You thought I would not know or refer to it?

Indeed your skills to lie and deceive are incomparable? Repent for these for the kingdom of God is at hand. Be truly born againt and don't lie or does the new covenant free you of this command?

Expanse2020:
Please proof the first topic wrong and we move to the next if you dare and believe Jesus was the one created you

They shall see the signs, wonders, proof of our creation and still denied the faith and called it false they only wrong themselves, they are the wrongdoers...
Hell is there place 🤣🤣🤣😱😂

LegalWolf:
Unless I am under a wrong impression, are you implying your support for Israel in the ongoing conflict right?

Expanse2020:
No don't deviate from the question you ask and I provide answer and I said proof me wrong otherwise if not through

Expanse2020:
Proof me wrong that all what I quoted from Quran is wrong and proof it and you can also use your bible join to proof it wrong🤣🤣🤣

1. Tafsir Qur'an 86.7 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(That issued from between the loins) of a man (and ribs) the ribs of a woman.

2. Tafsir Qur'an 86.6-7 Asrar - Kashf Al-Asrar
He was created of gushing water, emerging from between the loins and the chest.
When the human individual was created, he was created from water thrown and spilled, a water that came forth from the back of the man and from the bones within the woman's breast. First he was a sperm drop, which God then made into a clot with His power.

3. Tafsir Qur'an 86.7 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
issuing from between the loins, of the man, and the breast-bones, of the woman.

4. Tafsir Qur'an 86:1-10 Ibn Kathir
.. (He is created from a water gushing forth.) meaning, the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from the man and the woman. Thus, the child is produced from both of them by the permission of Allah. Due to this Allah says, (Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) meaning, the backbone (or loins) of the man and the ribs of the woman, which is referring to her chest. Shabib bin Bishr reported from `Ikrimah who narrated from Ibn `Abbas that he said,
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) "The backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman. It (the fluid) is yellow and fine in texture. The child will not be born except from both of them (i.e., their sexual fluids).'' Concerning Allah's statement,...

honesttalk21:
Indeed you are not really interested in this discussion about the person of Mary who bore Jesus. Then you or your Bible lie. Did you say Mary's father is Heli?



Meanwhile
Matthew 1:16 says And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ

Also;

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli

Now is it Heli or Jacob who begot Joseph the biblical figure taken to be Jesus's father?

If indeed Heli is the father of Mary then this is clearly a relationship of incest by your saying. How can children of one father get married and consumate their marriage unless you say it was never consummated making the ruse even bigger.

Was Heli a common name between the fathers of both Jacob and Mary? Show this to be so as what is seen so far doesn't say so.

honesttalk21:
@Expanse2020

He cannot prove anything as he is very limited in thoughts and comprehension. Failing to understand the wise ways of verses and prose.

Then We made the Nutfah into a clot,) meaning, `then We made the Nutfah, which is the water gushing forth that comes from the loins of man, i.e., his back, and the ribs of woman, i.e., the bones of her chest, between the clavicle and the breast. Then it becomes a red clot, like an elongated clot.’ `Ikrimah said, “This is blood

He will literally now take up where semen comes from not being the back without considering the relationship between the prostate and the back. Maybe when he has lower back injury though we don't wish him that he will realise the role of nerves there with the prostate.

The nerves and blood vessels that supply the prostate gland pass through the pelvis and lower back. Any issues with the lower back, such as muscle imbalances, poor posture, or spinal misalignments, can potentially affect the function of these nerves and blood vessels. Consequently, this may lead to discomfort in the prostate area or impact its ability to function properly.

The superficial reference to the process of fertilisation and embryology cannot be appreciated. He is looking for exact detailed science without being aware of the signs. Maybe when he journeys into the sun he will understand how it creates and transmits light.

Anyway he can not comprehend the core which is the reminder to mankind of where he originates from. Indeed he and many like him are fixated on their wrong inadequate key points.

Good job akhi. May Allah accept your acts to clear misconception.

Expanse2020:
Yes
Otherwise proof me wrong

But I taught you said we don't need Science before😂😂😂🤣

Expanse2020:
he turn sperm into blood🤣🤣😂🤣

Expanse2020:
You are funny and dumb man I explain Quran verses to you and also back it up with Science..... And you are not ashamed that
The book of 1400 years is inline with what Science of 18-1900 till now discover.... And you keep lying to yourself,your soul
No wonder Quran said
You shall see the signs, wonders and the word of Allah but you will still reject the faith and called it a lie

Another place he said you will drag by your sinful forelock and you will drag by your forelock 🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Expanse2020:
My answers also is in the Quran
k let start from the beginning for you
Everything from the QURAN

Al alaq (the clot) 1&2
Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed
blood:
Please find the meaning of clot/leech/ congealed blood you will need it later
At tarik 4-5
Now let man but think from what he is created!

He is created from a drop(a sperm) emitted-
. Proceeding from between the backbone (fluid connect our brains to the scrotum sack it control the stuff during the sex) and the ribs ( where woman fluid produced too during the sex)

Al Mumeen (the believer): 11-14
12. Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay);

13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;

14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;[/b] then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create

Notes
A single sperm required in most cases to fertilize a egg in women
Allah goes further ; Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
(the place of rest is a place where the fertilazation take place, firmly fixed at the wall of ovary you can check the ovary/ovum wall how it look like and where fertilization take place in Google...
The process of fertilization is called zygote and zygote happened in a sack which is called embryo development (which is foetus Allah Said

So looking at the zygote picture from Google it filled mainly by congele blood/ clot,leech it what the white man called zygote
does it answer your question
See the attached picture

Expanse2020:
as a fool and unlearn person let me clear it for you....


Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

What is foetus (do research on it)


Ok let start from the beginning for you
Everything from the QURAN

Al alaq (the clot) 1&2
Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed
blood:
Please find the meaning of clot/leech/ congealed blood you will need it later
At tarik 4-5
Now let man but think from what he is created!
He is created from a drop(a sperm) emitted-
. Proceeding from between the backbone (fluid connect our brains to the scrotum sack it control the stuff during the sex) and the ribs ( where woman fluid produced too during the sex)

Al Mumeen (the believer): 11-14
12. Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay);

13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;

14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;[/b] then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

Please read carefully according to Science
A sperm is required to fertilize egg(in most cases) at tarik 5 and Al Mumeen 13 confirm that

Then Science said a fertilization took place in the first week leading to the Zygote
Then have you seen a photo of zygote before
It a leech/ congeal blood also call clot
those pictures I sent are zygote they mainly for m of blood
In human or baby blood start developing at the first week in pregnancy

Digest this and make research on it too

Expanse2020:
Continuation
Your silly question but you forget that the egg inside a women is form from thier menses (I don't think you Do biology in school)
b]Do sperm become Blood?[/b]
It seems Allah doesn't know that a sperm fuses with the "egg/ovum" from the ovary to produce a zygote!?

Zygote sack is mainly consist of blood...check
the Zygote pictures to verify that

Your second question

highlight]What did Allah turn into a clot of congealed blood?

Allah turn the fertilazation of the eggs (constist of sperm and the female York ;
They both carry chromosomes of both gender) to zygote sack from there to foetus
Scientist actually confirmed foetus too
From there to lump of flesh which scientist confirm that too see the attached picture of the lump of flesh between 3 to 5week and Quran confirmed it to between 40days which is actually correct

Expanse2020:
Please what is called fertilization in the stage of pregnancy
Please tell me

Expanse2020:
[lSperms die off if it does not fertilize a woman's ovum within a maximum of 5 days. That not I asked you not dieing sperm we are talking here..we are talking about the fertilazation and a baby is produce
It doesn't turn to blood at any point or time of its stay in the body of the woman.
The craps verses you pasted here not what am asking

My question
1 tell me how a baby is formed /zygote is form
2. Tell me how fertilization take place in human and how blood is form in baby
3. And proof it again in your bible how baby is form just like how Quran, scientist explained it
Thank you

Please the question so that I can lecture you quickly And I don't want to waste time on this topic