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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 5:10pm On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
It's your hypocrisy I seek refuge in Allah from.

You stated distressing and benevolent in one of your comments.
I can't sir.

The word Al-Mutakabbir mean Arrogant in every use of the word except that Muslims prefer to redefine it to mean something else when it refers to Allah!

Translate the following Arabic sentences and insert your preferred translation of Al-Mutakabbir as greatly Magnified, Magnificent or whatever and let's see.







Though I doubt you have the ability to understand being drunken in your opium of what the almighty's divinity should be
Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 2:22pm On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
The best of people are those who speak only the truth even when joking.

اللهمّ أعذني من نفاقه
"O Allah, protect me from hypocrisy"

The thing shock you too!?

How can Mutakabbir mean other than Arrogant in Arabic?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by TenQ: 2:04pm On Sep 04, 2023
RelevantSolutio:
Wow.


This is really Great.



Islam Encompasses More People Who Are Genuine To Themselves, Because Islam doesn't Tolerate Evil Offenders.


However, Many Christians will continue With Their Evil Acts And They Stay Hypocritically About it Under The Umbrella That They Are Covered By GRACE.
Is this why Mohammed forgive your sin making him your God?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 1:35pm On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Arabic, known for its rich vocabulary, encompasses words that hold multiple layers of meaning within different contexts.
As a Semitic language, it employs root words that derive from three-letter patterns, which can be conjugated and modified to convey a wide range of concepts.
The context in which an Arabic word is used heavily influences its interpretation, allowing for various shades of meaning and nuances to be expressed. Thus, comprehending Arabic words requires a holistic approach that considers both their intrinsic definitions and the context in which they are employed.

Solely Allah is Al-Mutakabir used for any other is arrogance as non other than him is worthy of this position of greatness or supremacy.

وَلَهُ ٱلۡكِبۡرِيَآءُ فِي ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ ۖ وَهُوَ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡحَكِيمُ

هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلۡمَلِكُ ٱلۡقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُ ٱلۡمُهَيۡمِنُ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡجَبَّارُ ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ



He is Superior to the tyrants among His servants who claim grandeur.
I am trying hard to agree with you.

This was why I said:
Based on the richness of the Hebrew language which is a semitic language like Arabic,
TenQ:

I just discovered that the distressing spirit in 1Sam16:14 sent by God to Saul is NOT actually a distressing spirit. It means a benevolent spirit that is sent by God to bless Saul.

LOL!
I believe this makes total sense to you and you understand and agree perfectly with it.
Have a nice and beautiful day sir
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by TenQ: 1:24pm On Sep 04, 2023
correctguy101:
Here Alhadji TenQ...



(wa-ith TAKHLUQU mina ALTTEENI ... grin
Okay
I see that you found your evidence from the Qur'an. But you know it doesn't exist in the Bible.

Did you also find this in the Qur'an?
..... but adults did a good job forcing him to death...
I am not understanding!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 1:20pm On Sep 04, 2023
honesttalk21:
Define in unbiased terms who a muslim is.
A Muslim is a person who follow both Allah and Mohammed as his messanger in matters of religion and behavior

The word Muslim did not exist among any Prophets of Israel nor Jews and Christians until Mohammed


honesttalk21:
What is a sacrifice? Is it only in killing or offering plants?

Religious sacrifice by living actions is a profound practice that embodies the selfless devotion and commitment of followers towards their spiritual beliefs. This form of sacrifice involves individuals giving up material possessions, personal comforts, or even their lives in order to honor and please their higher power. By actively embodying the core principles of compassion, empathy, and service, religious adherents demonstrate their unwavering faith and willingness to transform their lives for the betterment of their community and the world.
There are three kinds of Sacrifices in the Religion of the Jews
1. One which costs you a lot as a religious duty.
2. One which costs another (usually) an animal it's life (evidenced with shed blood) or a memorial of it in a religious duty Eg. Sin Offering or Peace Offering
3. An emblem or token or memorial of thanks given in a religious duty (this may involve plants and animals). Eg. Heave Offering, Thanksgiving Offering

The Religion of Moses and Christians base forgiveness of Sin and peace offering (from God's judgment) on the shedding of Blood.

Why do you think God instructed Moses to tell the Jews to make sacrifices for sin and peace offering involving the death of an animal evidenced by shedding it's blood?


When you Muslims sacrifice Animals during Eid al-Adha, what is the purpose as the command was not given to directly to you.?

Please don't just say as an act of worship as Muslims don't go about building Kaabas as acts of worship (Didn't Allah instruct Ibrahim and Ishmael to build the Kaaba). Moreover, every sacrifice of Ibrahim or Moses was on an Altar. Muslims don't build altars to sacrifice their ram
Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 11:52am On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Oh Really! Why do the scripture say distressing then,
Don't you see that I am using purely Islamic Qur'an interpretation like my friend Ohyoudidnt?

He said:
Mutakabir refers to one of the names of Allah, meaning "The Supreme" or "The Great". It embodies the idea of Allah's greatness and superiority above all else.
Instead of Mutakabbir meaning Arrogant

Are you saying that my interpretation doesn't make sense?
Doesn't
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by TenQ: 8:53am On Sep 04, 2023
correctguy101:
Oh, lemme see.

I saw where it was quoted that the children of Israel were held back from killing Jesus...

Oh... That's no contrary idea...

After all, children were held back but adults did a good job forcing him to death... angry huh

Fx, no mind me o. Na so this daddy jhus be o... grin
Mallam correctguy
Where did you read this?
Christianity Etc › Re: Chat GPT Will Make Fun Of Jesus But Not Muhammad by TenQ: 8:40am On Sep 04, 2023
motayoayinde:
LET ME HELP YOU FIGURE OUT WHO THE REAL DEMONS ARE.

They are the ones who invented ALL the weapons of mass destruction known to man, ALL.

They are the ones who started and prosecuted the two WORLD WARS which claimed the lives of tens of millions of HUMAN BEINGS.

They are the ones who worship in the CHURCHES OF SATAN.

They are the ones blessing LGBTQ+ weddings in their CHURCHES.

They are the ones making a HUGE JOKE of your Christianity.

So, what do you think 🤔?

Which religion needs to go first?😂
Americanisms is the Religion that need to go first! LOL!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 8:35am On Sep 04, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
@Tenq is this not my initial response on Al-Murakabbir?
Does it not have emboldened at the bottom what you last commented on?
Of course the over educated but fabulously foolish Taqiyya Tenq doesn't know Polysemy.
Thanks for the complement!

However,
I just discovered that the distressing spirit in 1Sam16:14 sent by God to Saul is NOT actually a distressing spirit. It means a benevolent spirit that is sent by God to bless Saul.
LOL!

I believe this makes total sense to you.

Have a nice and beautiful day sir
Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 8:26am On Sep 04, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
Mutakabir refers to one of the names of Allah, meaning "The Supreme" or "The Great". It embodies the idea of Allah's greatness and superiority above all else.

However, outside of religious contexts, Mutakabir can also be used to describe someone who is arrogant or filled with pride, often displaying a sense of superiority over others. In this sense, it denotes a negative quality, highlighting an individual's excessive pride and haughtiness.
According to Modern Islamic Dictionary :
The word Arrogant means supremly great!




LOL!

Unfortunately, this is not how language works: only in Islam will a word have an opposite meaning to it's normal usage.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 8:17am On Sep 04, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
It's their belief and not yours so why are you hyperventilating about it? Obviously you are a pathetically troublesome scoundrel.

I should feel bad for your sicknesses but got better things to do.

On your question emboldened , you seem to be giving the devil an accompanying good run.

I have shown you distressing spirit proceeding from your God which seems to be tormenting you right now.
And I showed you that my God is NOT a distressing spirit unlike Allah.

Sorry that I always rub it in: it's only because I want to you open your eyes to the truth.

Start from the fundamentals: understand the Religion of the Jews. Why do they do much sacrifice?

Just to exposes Islam again:
If Mohammed is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?

If Moses is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?

If Israel is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?

If Jesus is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?



You see how your logic break down terribly : it is either you are wrong or terribly wrong or lying!

Have a nice day sir!
Christianity Etc › Re: Chat GPT Will Make Fun Of Jesus But Not Muhammad by TenQ: 10:02pm On Sep 03, 2023
madscientist88:
lol npc
The Truth is bitter!

You may not like it, but the truth is never afraid of questioning
Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 9:58pm On Sep 03, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
Does it matter to you what other people believe?

Does it matter that people believe differently than you?

Do you think that if someone disbelieves that it makes your belief any less true?

If that’s the case, then maybe it’s time to reevaluate what you believe.
People can believe Falsehood and lies.

This is why it is important to Question ones belief (like I am questioning Islam) to find out if Islam is consistent on the Altar of Truth.

If it is not, then such a belief is worthless and could lead a person to the Fire of Hell.


I am afraid that your beliefs stem from the Al-Makr himself. This is why nothing is consistent in Islam. Why would the majority of Hadiths be false? Why so much inconsistencies with the Qur'an? Why would Allah suddenly choose to make Christians and Jews your ransom from the fire of hell? Why not atheists and idol worshippers? Does this make sense?

Qur'an 14:4
"Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills."


Do you think you will know if Allah is leading you astray or not?

You wont know at all! Because Allah is best when it comes to deceiving people

Is it not true that Allah is the best when it comes to deception
Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ(op): 9:44pm On Sep 03, 2023
[quote author=Ohyoudidnt
post=125558459][/quote]You know that you didn't translate the Arabic scripts I posted as I wanted to see how you would interpolate with your redefinition of Mutakabbir with respect to Allah!

Now,
Are you now agreeing that Mutakabbir mean Arrogant !?

And Al-Mutakabbir mean The Arrogant?


Who is Allah Arrogant to?
Can one be Arrogant to ones subordinate?
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 9:36pm On Sep 03, 2023
honesttalk21:
Your stiff bias prevents you from holistic reasoning.
Do you limit revelations to books? How was it revealed to Abraham that he should sacrifice his son or that he will bare a child or father nations? Even if this were through angels are these too not revelations?

What context is Moses seen as by the Israelites? Isn't he seen as their leader and one through whom they get communication to and from God. Your rigid bias portrays you more as an extremist.

Christian extremism refers to the radical interpretation and representation of Christian beliefs, often resulting in violent acts or the use of religion to justify harmful activities.

Your views on how God should be implies a role reversal and reminds of a comment I read almost two decades ago; man created God in his own image. You have a view of how God should be and his nature is beyond full human comprehension or description.
Your lack of historical contexts is as bad as that of your prophet.
How does God speak directly to the prophets of old? By Himself!
Does God give them a Recitation like the Qur'an? No!

Please tell me:
1. When did the descendants of Abraham and Israel hear the Recitations and wept?
2. Who recited the word of God to them?
3. What was the occasion?
You don't know, do you?

Even though, I showed you, you wouldn't learn.

So, just let me ask you the question the Jews asked your prophet,
What about the Spirit of God?

honesttalk21:
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; [i]in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - [/i]and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them].
The boldened adequately describes you or don't you see?

Did Jacob not follow what he had learnt of revelation from his father? Did Joseph not reveal to him what he dreamt? Did he negate these and become ungodly or he continued in good faith with Allah?
You make no sense here sir.
Did Jacob follow the dream of his son?


honesttalk21:
[i]Quran 12:
63. When they returned to their father, they said, “O father, we were denied measure, but send our brother with us, and we will obtain measure. We will take care of him.”

64. He said, “Shall I trust you with him, as I trusted you with his brother before? God is the Best Guardian, and He is the Most Merciful of the merciful.”

65. And when they opened their baggage, they found that their goods were returned to them. They said, “Father, what more do we want? Here are our goods, returned to us. We will provide for our family, and protect our brother, and have an additional camel-load. This is easy commerce.”

66. He said, “I will not send him with you, unless you give me a pledge before God that you will bring him back to me, unless you get trapped.” And when they gave him their pledge, he said, “God is witness to what we say.”

67. And he said, “O my sons, do not enter by one gate, but enter by different gates. I cannot avail you anything against God. The decision rests only with God. On Him I rely, and on Him let the reliant rely.”

68. And when they entered as their father had instructed them, it did not avail them anything against God; it was just a need in the soul of Jacob, which he carried out. He was a person of knowledge in as much as We had taught him, but most people do not know.
(Emboldened shows revelation came to Jacob)

The summation of your objections is the benchmark you have as a Bible which you attest was compiled by man.
I beg you to read the Torah to understand what you've jumbled up here.
In the Torah, it is perfectly clear unlike the meaningless verses you typed above.
Genesis chapter 37, 39, 40, through chapter 48

How can you make inferences from jumbled up snippets of the original script of events?

Do you notice that your characters here speaks more like Arabians of the time of Mohammed rather than like in the original narrative?
Christianity Etc › Re: Chat GPT Will Make Fun Of Jesus But Not Muhammad by TenQ: 9:13pm On Sep 03, 2023
madscientist88:
who are you talking too?i find this funny tho.lol
You!
Did you try the question I suggested to you?
Christianity Etc › Re: Chat GPT Will Make Fun Of Jesus But Not Muhammad by TenQ: 9:11pm On Sep 03, 2023
Nadingo:
Lies
Type the following in chatGPT and see if it would give you an answer


1. Give me any hadith to show that and the end times the Muslims will kill the Jews and the trees would expose the Jews hiding behind them to the Muslims.

2. Can you list the privileges given to Mohammed but not to other Muslims like having more than four wives, any Muslim woman free to give herself to him, Mohammed getting 20% of war booties etc
Christianity Etc › Re: Chat GPT Will Make Fun Of Jesus But Not Muhammad by TenQ: 7:57pm On Sep 03, 2023
correctguy101:
You be sure guy.

You're braver than most bigshot pastors.

You a pastor?
I'm just a regular Christian my brother. I'm not braver than you or anyone else around.
I care about Muslims because I was almost Becoming a Muslim myself until Jesus opened my eyes to the deception called Islam.

My mission is to educate both Christians and Muslims to know the real truth of both Islam and Jesus Christ.

I tell you the truth, if you were born as a Muslim, you won't act differently from them.
It is by grace we are saved o!
Not by ourselves!

We can all do our bit according the the grace of God bestowed upon us. So that both Muslims and nominal Christians will get to hear the gospel of Salvation, understand it and make positive decision that lives Holy and serves God were ever we find ourselves.

Shalom
Christianity Etc › Re: Chat GPT Will Make Fun Of Jesus But Not Muhammad by TenQ: 7:30pm On Sep 03, 2023
correctguy101:
Oh...

A glitch me thinks... grin
I simply used mine cos I don't trust some people. People like wahala too much...smh

I'll go check the link then


They are always very mindful and afraid of Islam. No one wants their wahala except TenQ. That guy will invite calamitous matters on his head with the way he's constantly and unafraidly bashing Islam... cheesy

Our prayers are with him... grin

Flathead8, you be really flaatthead o... grin

That link simply led to the crazy troublemaker's account on X na. angry
Or is this daddy missing something? huh

The hell just happened?

Seun and his bot has gone rogue o. Trying to implicate me with nonsense.. I typed flaatthead and it was changed to Igbo.... grin

Smh
LOL!
God is the owner of my life o!
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 7:23pm On Sep 03, 2023
The first problem of Islam is the acknowledgement of the Taurat (Torah).
The second problem is that the Torah was supposed to be in agreement with the Qur'an.
The third problem is that the Qur'an is the direct speech of Allah which Allah dictated through Jibril to Mohammed.

Why are these problems?
1. There are many contradictions between the Qur'an and the Torah. Meaning that Allah didn't know of discrepancies between the Qur'an and the Torah
2. The Qur'an being the direct words of Allah should be perfectly and precisely said that no ambiguity should arise in historical Narratives. Unfortunately, there exist historical errors not fit for Allah.


honesttalk21:
Quran 19:28 says: Those are some of the prophets whom God has blessed from the descendants of Adam,

When prophets have interaction with the almighty does he reveal things to them? In Quran 2:38
...... And when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance – there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.

Are the gudiance from Allah not the revelations?

Weeping to Allah is an act of sincere devotion and a way to seek solace and forgiveness. It is believed that shedding tears in prayer is a sign of a pure heart and a deep connection with the divine. Weeping to Allah is not a sign of weakness, but rather a display of humility, vulnerability, and a testament to the strength of one's faith.

You fail to acknowledge that the revelations are not to these prophets in congregation but at the separate times of their existence when they interacted with the Almighty. Is this not easy to understand?
There was no way the revelations were revealed to the Descendants of BOTH Abraham and Israel. Why?
Abraham had other sons apart from Ishaq and Ishmael AND the scriptures were not revealed in their lifetime till Moses (almost 600 years after)
When was the "revelation" recited to the descendants of both Abraham and Israel and they wept (for this is a lie).
Who were these descendants of Abraham and Israel?

It doesn't exist.

Let me tell you what Mohammed mixed up.
Neh 8:9:
"And Nehemiah, which is the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said to all the people, This day is holy to the LORD your God; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law."


Unfortunately, Mohammed was unlettered in the Torah to know the historical perspective.

It is impossible for a Muslim to know the Old Testament better than a Christian and a Jew. This is why Allah ask you to ask the people of the book but you disobey him.


honesttalk21:
The verse says when his people asked him for water and this does not say how many times. Does the almighty not provide for us regardless of how often we ask? The point to note is each group knowing where they belong. The group number equating the number of tribes.
Bringing water out of the rock are special Miracles. And they occurred just twice in the journey of the children of Israel from Egypt to Cannan.

The children of Isreal did not ask God for water they grumbled to Moses about thirst for water.

You spoke of 12 springs but it seems Moses forgot to write it down.

The problem was that Mohammed was dictating Jewish hear-say as Qur'an to his equally unlettered Arab people.


honesttalk21:
Did Jacob's family not go to meet him where he was minister?
No sir.
He lived in tents as a Nomadic family man with cattles to rear. Check the Taurat please!
His total people that helped to tend his cattles that came to Egypt was 66 in number.

Gen 46:7:
"His (Jacob's) sons, and his sons' sons with him, his daughters, and his sons' daughters, and all his seed brought he with him into Egypt."
Gen 46:26: "All of these people, who belonged to Jacob's family, traveled to Egypt. All of Jacob's direct descendants, not including his sons'wives, numbered 66 persons in all."


Can you see how Jacob was a Minister ruling over 66 people?

So, you see why I said:
Sorry, which throne because Jacob and his Family were nomadic people. They didn't even have a kingdom at that time till after Moses.

If Allah could make such Historical errors, woe betide Mohammed if his errors are not more multiplied.


honesttalk21:
You focus on certain technicalities probably deprive you of understanding the message.

When you speak of parents is it not cultural to see the other wives of your father as parent too? Never mind the unliked cases of wickedness in some polygamous families.

Recent scientific research has revealed that stars are also planetary bodies, housing their own solar system much like our own. These planetary systems, known as exoplanets, revolve around their host stars and can vary significantly in composition, size, and proximity to the star.

Q19:49,50
We gave him Ishaq and Ya'qub. Each of them We made a Prophet. And We gave them of Our mercy and assigned to them a high and true renown.
Unfortunately, even the Jews don't call Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Prophets. They call the Patriarchs not prophets. Because prophets have specific meaning in both the Religion of the Jews and Christians.

This was why Mohammed could not answer the question about the Spirit. Every prophet was sent to their people directly by God's Spirit speaking to them or through visions.

Mohammed failed the test of the Jews: from that time, they did not respect him.

honesttalk21:
Q37: 113
And We gave him tidings of the birth of Ishaq, a Prophet of the righteous and We showered Our blessings on him and on Ishaq and of their off-spring are some who do good and some who plainly wrong their own selves.

Unlike the Bible, the Quran does not extensively focus on historical documentation or the chronological unfolding of events. Instead, it emphasizes theological teachings, moral guidance, and commands for human conduct.

The Quran is primarily a book of divine revelation and spiritual guidance while the Bible encompasses a wide range of historical events and narratives,
The Qur'an cannot answer simple questions about who Israel is because Mohammed was making a record of hear-say of the Jews and Christians.

What do you think would happen if we don't even know who Abraham, or Isaac or Jacob or Moses or David etc were?

We wouldn't know how God used to relate with godly men of Old and learn lessons from their strengths, their weaknesses and their failures.

The Qur'an is completely incomplete without other books like the Hadiths, the Sira, the Historical books and the Tafsirs. No human being can understand it by itself.

God should be able to write a book that is clear, concise, simple and able to teach, correct, warn and train in righteousness


I think you will agree with me now THAT there exist ZERO connection between Israel and Jacob in the Qur'an.
Unless you refer to us people of the book!

Sorry, I had to pint out the discrepancies between the Taurat and the Quran

How come the Qur'an is disjointed?
The final chapters are not as revealed
Even the verse were not as revealed.

Mohammed wrote the Qur'an, thus he had the power to arrange it as he feels. Don't you think so?
Christianity Etc › Re: Chat GPT Will Make Fun Of Jesus But Not Muhammad by TenQ: 6:15pm On Sep 03, 2023
madscientist88:
ignorant people would come here and start talking,first you need to understand how AI works,AI uses collective data from the internet to respond to situations,the AI can't joke about islam because there is no existing joke made by any famous person about their prophet.if there is one joke about prophet Muhammad existing on earth then its the one you created in your heart , almost everyone cracks jokes about Christianity,even Muslims would tell you jesus didn't resurect,which you might take as an argumentative joke ,but no Muslim would tolerate you for mentioning the name of their Holly prophet mistakenly wrongly,not even their imams are tolerated.its the humility of Christians which gives room for open dialogue in their religion but its the pride of mulims to restrict dialogue in their religion to keep it in order,one proud the other humble.anyways that's the rotten truth,im not a Christian nor a Muslim,im one of the 13.
You obviously don't know much about programming.

Do you know why you can at ask ChatGPT to help you design a bomb and not get a response.

It is because such response that they believe can cause Harm is moderated by the programmers!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by TenQ: 5:39pm On Sep 03, 2023
Ibrahimlagosian:
Stop spewing rubbish,let me correct what you're saying before i give you my response
1:the Qur'an was not written,it was revealed.
2:The Quran clearly says that anyone who claim Jesus is god is a kafir or disbeliever.Do you what,i can't type my finger sore trying to convince someone who want to lead himself astray and wallow in darkness of falsehood.
Why your display of aggression :

Are you saying that Jesus is a Co-Creator with Allah (only that Allah gave Him permission and consent)?



Qur'an 22:73
O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seeking For The Meaning Of This Dream by TenQ: 5:30pm On Sep 03, 2023
iconicceo:
Thanks

Just as you said, I will put more efforts in praying.
Ask for mercy, that everything physical or spiritual seeking your downfall be exposed, disgraced and made a failure over your life.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by TenQ: 5:27pm On Sep 03, 2023
Ibrahimlagosian:
Lol,He did it with his Lord's permission and consent.He jesus also said in the bible that he have no power of his own.Based on your ideology.it's just like jews claiming moses is God because he gave life to a stick and transform it to a mighty snake.All this miracles performed by jesus,moses, Prophet Muhammad SAW and other prophet was to prove that they were sent from the only and true Almighty God.
Jesus didn't say so my dear: read your Quran (even though the Qur'an was written 600 years after Jesus).

Are you saying that Jesus is a Co-Creator with Allah (only that Allah gave Him permission and consent)?
Christianity Etc › Re: Does It Mean That All My Prayers Are Not Being Answered? by TenQ: 4:31pm On Sep 03, 2023
DCmaverick:
I've been going to church year after year, month after month, week after week and day after day but it seems all the prophetic declerations and AMENS i've been shouting is nt working. What is wrong lord? Where am i getting it wrong?
what must i do?
Don't be discouraged!
If you are sure that you are Born Again
AND
You are living right

You will need some patience and understanding.
1. There are some tests we just must pass through (no prayer can change it)
2. Are you sure you are not demonised and need deliverance?

Faith is holding on even when you walk through your own valley of the shadow of death. Remembering that God is with you no matter what.

Shalom
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by TenQ: 3:54pm On Sep 03, 2023
FxMasterz:
The OP drove his points home from your Quran. Your opinion does not matter except you can intelligently counter him.
He has no response!
He can only brey like a donkey repeating Islamic propaganda!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by TenQ: 3:53pm On Sep 03, 2023
Ibrahimlagosian:
What the op said is completely false
What is true?

Who can create life but God?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by TenQ: 3:52pm On Sep 03, 2023
nzechu:
The Quran presents criteria to distinguish the true God from false gods.

Is He then Who creates like him who does not create? Do you not then mind?... And those whom they call on besides Allah have not created anything while they are themselves created; Dead (are they), not living, and they know not when they shall be raised. S. 16:17, 20-21 Shakir

And they have taken besides Him gods, who do not create anything while they are themselves created, and they control not for themselves any harm or profit, and they control not death nor life, nor raising (the dead) to life. S. 25:3 Shakir

These preceding passages state that:
The objects which others call upon besides God (i.e., whether other gods, angels, and/or individuals) have not created anything.
These objects cannot bring death, cause life, or resurrect.
These objects of worship are dead.

Which implies that:
God is the Creator.
God is the Source of Life.
God is ever-Living.
The Lord Jesus fits the criteria given in the Quran which demonstrates true Deity (i.e., the Creator, the Source of Life, and ever-Living). Christians are therefore justified in worshiping him as their sovereign Lord.

of Israel (saying), that I have come to you, with a sign from God, namely, that I will CREATE for you out of clay (annee AKHLUQU lakum mina ALTTEENI) as though it were the form of a bird, and I will blow thereon and it shall become a bird by God's permission; and I will heal the blind from birth, and lepers; and I will bring the dead to life by God's permission; and I will tell you what you eat and what ye store up in your houses. Verily, in that is a sign for you if ye be believers. S. 3:49 Palmer

When God shall say, O Jesus son of Mary, remember my favour towards thee, and towards thy mother; when I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, that thou shouldest speak unto men in the cradle, and when thou wast grown up; and when I taught thee the scripture, and wisdom, and the law, and the gospel; and when thou didst CREATE of clay (wa-ith TAKHLUQU mina ALTTEENI) as it were the figure of a bird, by my permission, and didst breathe thereon, and it became a bird by my permission; and thou didst heal one blind from his birth, and the leper, by my permission; and when thou didst bring forth the dead [from their graves], by my permission; and when I with-held the children of Israel from [killing] thee, when thou hadst come unto them with evident [miracles], and such of them as believed not, said, this is nothing but manifest sorcery. S. 5:110 Sale

These two passages demonstrate that Christ has the breath of life and can create in exactly the same way God creates:

HE it is Who created you from clay (Huwa allathee KHALAQAKUM min TEENIN) and then HE decreed a term. And there is another term fixed with HIM. Yet you doubt. S. 6:2 Y. Ali

Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man from clay (innee KHALIQUN basharan min TEENIN): When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." S. 38:71-72 Y. Ali
Note the connection between God breathing his Spirit into man with Christ being strengthened with the Holy Spirit, breathing life into clay birds and resurrecting the dead. And also notice that Christ created a living bird from clay just as God created man from clay. These passages therefore teach that Christ had the same life-giving Spirit of God!
In fact, according to one Salafi Muslim site the word for create (khalaqa) refers to creating something from nothing, an act which only God can perform:

Imam al-Bukhari reported in his Saheeh from Abu Sa`eed (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allah be upon Him) said: "There is no created being but Allah created it." In Arabic, the word "khalaqa" means to make out of nothing, which is something that ONLY ALLAH CAN DO; it is impossible for anyone except Allah to do this. It also carries the meaning of decreeing or foreordaining. [**]

See Fath al-Bari Sharh Saheeh al-Bukhari, 13/390. (439: Evidence that only Allah is the Creator of life
; bold and capital emphasis ours)

But this very same word is applied to Christ which means, at least according to the above position, that Jesus must be God! Note how this works out logically:
God alone can create out of nothing (i.e. the literal meaning of khalaqa).
Khalaqa is applied to Jesus.
Therefore, Jesus must be God according to Islam.

The Quran also implies that Christ is alive in heaven:

And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so I will decide between you concerning that in which you differed. S. 3:55 Shakir

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise; - S. 4:157-158 Y. Ali

Orthodox Islam has generally understood these passages to mean that Christ was taken alive into heaven, into the very presence of God himself.
we are left with the conclusion that:
Jesus creates in the same way God creates.
Jesus gives life in the same way God gives life.
Jesus is alive in heaven.

Therefore, the Quran clearly shows that the Lord Jesus fits the description of God, fulfilling the very criteria which demonstrates that Christ is indeed very God.

the Quran attributes titles, qualities and functions to Christ which shows that he is indeed God. Other titles given to Christ which affirm his essential Deity include the Word of God and a Spirit from God (cf. 3:39, 45; 4:171).

A Muslim may say that Jesus was given the ability to create and give life by God, just as the passages themselves state. He didn't have this ability within himself. This response doesn't negate the statement, but only pushes it a step further.

Why would God grant Jesus the abilities and characteristics of Deity? Why is God permitting Jesus to perfectly fit the description and fulfill the criteria which places one within the category of God?

Second, the expression "by God's permission" doesn't necessarily mean that Christ was given abilities he did not already have. The statements can be understood in light of the biblical teaching that Christ did nothing on his own initiative, but did everything in perfect union with his Father's will. (cf. John 5:16-30)

In other words, the Quranic expression simply implies that Christ only exercised his divine prerogatives in accordance with the decree of God, never acting on his own behest or initiative. It need not deny that Christ always had these divine attributes and characteristics
Ask them.

Let's assume Jesus was given the permission by Allah to create life and to know the secret things men have in their houses:
Who else in the Universe did Allah give this permission?


Is it Jibril, the Angels, the Jinn or any Prophet of Allah?

Watch how to squeeze their tongue to regurgitate their memorised Dawa!
Christianity Etc › Re: Seeking For The Meaning Of This Dream by TenQ: 3:03pm On Sep 03, 2023
iconicceo:
Good day everyone

Please what does it mean to see your car being stolen in the dream?
It depends.
What gets you from here to there daily?

Is it your job!?
Is it your business?
Is it your connections?

Pray that whatever makes you able to do (your will) will not be taken from you.

Dreams are sometimes warning of what is decided or about to be decided in the spirit concerning your life.
When dreams repeat, it it a sign of immense or seriousness.

Take a time off to pray please.

Shalom
Foreign Affairs › Re: Putin Puts Satan II Missile, Capable Of Wiping London, On Combat Duty (Photos) by TenQ: 9:28am On Sep 03, 2023
tsdarkside:
i dont understand....

Putin caused the disappearance....??

they have always been treatin this slavic peoples bad in europe....
Where are the so-called disappeared children?
In Ukraine or Russia or Dead?
Foreign Affairs › Re: Putin Puts Satan II Missile, Capable Of Wiping London, On Combat Duty (Photos) by TenQ: 8:02am On Sep 03, 2023
tsdarkside:
Ukraine is the biggest loosers in this game....

do you know that 60 000 Ukraine children disappeared without a trace....??
do you know that Ukraine women are offered a stay for sex....??
Who caused the disappearance!?
Putin!

Childish argument :
You think it would be better if the Ukrainians give Putin EVERYTHING he wants?

Who are the ones fighting on the battle field?
Japanese or Ukrainians?

The Ukrainians say:
We don't want Putin and his Army on Ukrainian soil: is that difficult to understand?

Unfortunately slaves don't know that it is better to die than be one.

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