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Dtruthspeaker:
See how the liar changed it from his lie"another young Jewish girl" which you caught him to "young Jewish carpenter".

What a shamefilled fraud and devils, these jws are!

Dtruthspeaker:
Official jw statement dey and he dey different from wetin this liar talk? Guy present am na,

Dtruthspeaker:
See how jw dey complain as TenQ catch am wen hin dey Lie. Kai jw and lies be like Lie Muhammad and Satan!

Preciousee17, you dey see dis one?

MaxInDHouse:
Joseph was a young Jewish carpenter planning to start a family with another young Jewish girl so he wish to have his own children before God picked Mary to be the mother of His Son.

honesttalk21:
It's not terrible news Taqiyya Tenq it simply takes the engine out of your skewed lie based crusade.
(If I get you correctly Bukhari accepted approximately 1.2% of Allah the hadiths he collected. ) doesn't make sense.

The sayings of Muslims according to you are not the Quran or are they? These sayings are authored and collected by humans how many years after Muhammad's (pbuh) death?

You are terribly pathetic now. Do we need Hadith to authenticate Quran that was written and orally transmitted to many as revealed in the last Prophet's lifetime?

Bukhari himself rejected 99% of the hadith he collected and probably will have rejected this same percentage of the 1% he recorded if he lived longer.

Imagine your boastful claim that a willing sacrifice needs to first be cursed by sacrifice to redeem you. Keep twisting and turning logic till you turn to the wonderer as Femi Kuti sang.

Start with uniting the diverse views amongst the followers of Jesus and Moses; unite your family, before coming to Islam

Ohyoudidnt:
At the barest minimum Islam and Muslim are in the Quran revealed through Muhammad.
Muslims say we follow the religion of Abraham which is Hanif. See Q2:135
Hanif is a pure monotheistic belief.

I know your intent Q2:120 and need not your approval.

Jesus whom you follow never said Christian or Christianity while he was alive. Funny Christ comes from the Greek word Christos.
Paul first used this innit.

Again! This thread is:

Re: This Mosque In Abu Dhabi, UAE Will Shock You.

Ohyoudidnt:
Who brought sex into this discussion? What has sex got to do with Paul and Barnabas meeting the 12 disciples of Jesus?

Do we now see who is obsessed with sex?
Is there any specific claim of intercourse in Paradise from Islamic script or your pervert inferences?

See how feeble you are reducing eternity to a national pledge and anthem. How do they affect my eternity? Oh you find another human political and material thing to argue about? Get a life!

Again this thread is about Re: This Mosque In Abu Dhabi, UAE Will Shock You.

Ohyoudidnt:
Focus please. The Quran was revealed in Arabic, still widely read in arabic and it's verses still used for prayer in Arabic

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks you, oya face OP i no wan folow you tok!

MaxInDHouse:
I no wan folow tok abeg face the OP!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy tok to OP i no wan folow you tok!

MaxInDHouse:
It's obvious you've been hungry and thirsty to chat with me but i don't have the time for your madness today.



That's what i typed and there's nothing to add or subtract so if you're not OK answer the OP instead of quoting me!

MaxInDHouse:
So it's a lie that a Jewish young carpenter who is hardworking planned to marry and have his own family shey?

Just stop being stupid!

MaxInDHouse:
*Joseph was a young Jewish carpenter planning to start a family (TRUE)
*with another young Jewish girl so he wish to have his own children (FALSE)
* before God picked Mary to be the mother of His Son. (FALSE)

MaxInDHouse:
Face the OP i'm not here for you!

Ohyoudidnt:
Your obsession with hadith of highly questionable nature is fantastic. Is it the Opium you are hooked on.

My argument is infallible because meeting with apostles doesn't specify:
1. how many apostles were met with and
2. Both Paul and Barnabas became apostles after Jesus departure.
Conveniently they back each other up.

Are you certain of the statement you relate from Muhammad? Present the chain of narration and quality of the alleged narrators or is this from the Quran?

Ohyoudidnt:
Muhammad's definition or what was revealed to him?

People of the book? Which book? Definitely I know not of any they published after the Quran and we can not vouch so much for what was revealed to them before. Haven undergone different journeys of loss and translation to other languages from the original.

Whatever you have in Aramaic or close to this is but from a translation of Greek.

You should check your own confusion or journey back in time perhaps spiritually to have a conversation with those you mention.

MaxInDHouse:
@ TenQ
Please stop quoting me, continue with your rat chase after Muslims:
https://www.nairaland.com/7779603/deleted-verse-perfectly-preserved-quran
https://www.nairaland.com/7805486/another-lie-islam-mohammed-sold
https://www.nairaland.com/7751213/wisdom-allahs-law-retribution-bad
https://www.nairaland.com/7774998/where-quran-mohammed-it-permanently
https://www.nairaland.com/7789369/allah-never-commanded-satan-prostrate
https://www.nairaland.com/7649121/did-allah-make-adultery-lawful
https://www.nairaland.com/7753882/why-mohammed-not-muslim-he
https://www.nairaland.com/7741043/scientific-miracles-quran-muslims-finally
https://www.nairaland.com/7659445/quran-cascade-lies-always-fall
https://www.nairaland.com/7703863/proof-allah-killed-muhammad-falsifying
https://www.nairaland.com/7645766/quran-ramadan-challenge-n100000-prize

Instead of thinking about how to preach the GOOD NEWS of God's kingdom you're stupidly chasing after the wind.

How long has this thread been on the forum that none of you paid attention?

But now that Maximus has responded to the OP you've come with your stupidity.

If you don't understand that Joseph was planning to marry and have children then give your own answer i don't need your like or share regarding whatever i type!

Joseph was a young Jewish carpenter planning to start a family with another young Jewish girl so he wish to have his own children before God picked Mary to be the mother of His Son.

honesttalk21:
The Quran is not a modern day computer program where you can edit and delete files.

Q6:112: And thus, We have made for every prophet enemies from among the human and jinn devils. They inspire to one another fancy sayings in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and what they fabricate.

Bukhari was born in the year 194AH, the authors of the other six hadith collections, like Muslim and Abu Dawood, were all born after Bukhari.

Bukhari collected about 600,000 hadith. He accepted 7275 hadith and considered 592,725 hadith to be un-proven hadith, lies and/or fabrications. In other words, 99% of what he collected were considered unauthentic.

honesttalk21:
Muslem collected 300,000 hadith. He accepted 4000 of them and rejected 296,000, that is, almost 99% were rejected.

This gives us an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door.

Abu Hurayra was the one accused most of spreading fabricated hadith.

Does methodical collection amount eliminate falsification or fabrication? See how you reason. Do acknowledge that errors can still occur, even with methodical collection.

Bukhari broke the rules that he claimed he used to ensure the authenticity of the hadith,
for his own personal feelings, political alliance and hatred to people like Ali Ibn Abu Talib.

Current Christianity is largely the product of Paul's corruption and fabrication, traditional Sunni Islam as practised today, is the product of the corruption of the true religion of Islam by people like Bukhari.


Unlike the Quran, the hadith was not documented during the Prophet's lifetime

MaxInDHouse:
Joseph was a young Jewish carpenter planning to start a family with another young Jewish girl so he wish to have his own children before God picked Mary to be the mother of His Son.

MaxInDHouse:
Luke 1:34-35
So after Jesus Mary had four boys for Joseph namely:
James, Joseph, Simon, Judas but because girls aren't reckoned with much the gospel writers just said he had sisters. So at least Jesus had six siblings going by two gospel writers! Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3

speaktome:
So, his name is

THUBV

not

Tinubu..


Una go explain Taya...



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honesttalk21:
No such verse existed.
Critical review of Hadiths will show that as much as 99% of the hadiths alleged for the prophet were lies and fabrications.

Ohyoudidnt:
Wrong again. Actual; in Jesus presence,disciples please not the filler uppers that came after his depature.

One of the main arguments against considering Barnabas a true apostle is the fact that he was not one of the original twelve disciples chosen by Jesus. Very much like Paul?
Maybe not!


Thus, with fervent zeal, and sanguine expectations, the apostle Paul attempted to join himself to the disciples of Christ while he was in Jerusalem (Acts 9:26).
Why so much desperation on the part of Paul?

As the Jews hated him (Paul), so the Christians suspected him. His escape had been too hurried to allow of his bringing "letters of commendation." Whatever distant rumor might have reached them of his conduct at Damascus or retirement in Arabia, they could not believe that Paul was really a disciple.

Barnabas, "the son of consolation" (Acts 4:36), already known to us as a generous contributor of his wealth to the poor (Acts 4:36), made a difference in the life of Paul.

Who wrote the acts?
Did the apostles also follow the money?

In any case you still have shown only 3 original apostle meetings. Saying he met with apostles and not naming all is rather ambiguous Mr.


Our discussions had been about the Byzantines and Muslim wars which isn't even the subject of this thread; This Mosque In Abu Dhabi, UAE Will Shock You

Mary(am) the mother of Isa a.s is honoured in Islam and amongst women with a chapter in the Quran named aftee her.

Ohyoudidnt:
Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah ." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]." [ Q3: 64 ]
Him here being Allah

And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you "Muslims" [/b]before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah . He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper. [Q22: 78]

FxMasterz:
I think a second intention is to have a religion they can use to counter Israel-originated religions especially Christianity. Being enemies of Israel, they'll find that amusing.

I found a video on YouTube where an Arabian Christian exposed Allah as satan using 5 names out of the 99 names of allah.

Would you do an exposition on that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvxkx0BnAA8&pp=ygUOYWxsYWggaXMgc2F0YW4%3D

CC:
Advocatejare

advocatejare:
That was why his followers didn’t allow him to write that final note he wanted to write, they were like “you scammed us for many years, it’s not now that you will repent, we will continue to scam after you “

Ohyoudidnt:
A muslim is an adherent of Islam.

الِإسْلَام is the submission to the will of Allah/Almighty God

The word 'Islam' in Arabic means submission to the will of God. Followers of Islam are called Muslims.

advocatejare:
Especially this so called drlateef tht was making mouth tht the Quran doesn’t contain frivolities about Muhammad and his lifestyle, when I showed him, he became deaf and dumb

Ohyoudidnt:
Paul is reported to have met a maximum of 3 out of 12 disciples. Even if we know Judas Iscariot is said to have died (some support that he may have been the one crucified), as a science oriented person are the 3 a good enough representation of 11 or 12. This is not even up to 30%.

Was Paul not a Pharisee? After setting Jesus up he came to finish up the emerging movement.
O di egwu!

Ohyoudidnt:
Do all who identify as Christians say Jesus is the son of God in a begotten sense?

Ohyoudidnt:
Is Son of God not a phrase for righteousness?

Ohyoudidnt:
As not all Christians say Jesus is a son of God, so it is for the Jews who called Uzair the son of God.

A generalized statement.

advocatejare:
Let’s pity AntiChristian a little, he’s only a victim of circumstances. He himself know that he’s defending nonsense, but he has to do it cos he’s under bondage of satanic/Al-Makireena deception!

Ohyoudidnt:
Paul, one of the most influential figures in the early Christian Church.

According to the New Testament, Paul encountered Peter, James, and John during his ministry. In Galatians 1:18-19, Paul explicitly mentions meeting with Peter. Additionally, in Galatians 2:9, he writes about his interaction with James and John.
Paul's zealous dedication to the Jewish law played a significant role in his understanding of the gospel.
Christianity represents a departure from Jewish law in many significant ways. Central to Christian theology is the belief in Jesus Christ as the Messiah and Savior, which led to the formation of a new covenant. This new covenant, believers argue, supersedes the need for strict adherence to Jewish law.

Are we seeing reasonable points of question?
Paul's emphasis on themes like salvation by faith and the role of grace in salvation differed from Jesus' teachings.

Paul's writings are seen as a means of interpreting and applying Jesus' teachings to the specific context of the early church however is he better to interpret than the action disciples of Jesus?

Were they asked to pay tax in non muslim governed regions? Why are you altering the truth?

A Muslim is a person who has dedicated his worship exclusively to God. A follower of Islam.
Islam is stated as an accepted religion in the Quran during the lifetime of Muhammad not a later nomenclature.

A name Jesus never mentioned. Did he fellowship with leaders of Judaism in the Jewish Temples?
And your following question it has been established that it wasn't all Jews that called Uzair son of God. There is no consensus that this is Ezra.

AntiChristian:
Five things were mentioned as "unseen" in the hadith:

1. The knowledge of the hour! Even Jesus your God does not know this (Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32), only the God of Jesus knows the hour!

2. The knowledge of the events of tomorrow! No one knows this in the absolute sense except Allah! (Also Ecclesiastes 8:7)
That means no soul can determine what it will get tomorrow from this world.

3. The Knowledge of your place of death also belongs to Allah. Or who knows where s/he will die?

4. Allah is the One Who "Knows that which is in the wombs!" He Knows the gender of fetus (male or female). He Knows whether this fetus will be a good person or a bad one, whether he will live happily or otherwise. The fact that doctors can now know the sex of the fetus while in the womb is not in contradiction with the verse: {"And (He) Knows that which in the wombs"} : The Knowledge of Allah regarding this fetus is anterior to the fetus' formation in its mother's womb. In fact, doctors can define the sex of the fetus only in the build up stage but not in the emanation one. The semen goes through two stages. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {Allâh knows what every female bears, and by how much the wombs fall short (of their time or number) or exceed. …} [13: 8].
So, Allah kept the knowledge of the semen emanation stage as part of the unseen. The evidence for this is the Hadith reported by al-Bukhari from Abdullah Ibn Umar that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: Allah's Apostle said, "The keys of unseen are five which none knows but Allah: None knows what will happen tomorrow but Allah; none knows what is in the wombs (a male child or a female) but Allah; none knows when it will rain but Allah; none knows at what place one will die; none knows when the Hour will be established but Allah" .
So, what Allah kept in the unseen as far as the semen is concerned is the stage when the womb falls short of its time or number not the build up stage. This is what Ibn Katheer mentioned before modern medicine.

5. The knowledge of when it will rain also rests only with Allah! i.e. Allah is the Only One who can send down rain and who knows when it will be sent. It should be mentioned here the weather reporters might forecast when the rain is going to fall. But their forecast is founded on probabilities not on certainty.