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honesttalk21:
Aha! Another of the OP's repeated lies don't your fellow Christians pray:
Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

Isn't this praying to Mary? Does the Catholic bible recommend this. Don't excuse that you are not Catholic as you have categorically stated Catholics face her statue but don't pray to her statue but they pray to her isn't it.

Just like you pray to Jesus even though this is a formulation and refinement in one of your numerous ecumenical councils as late as the 4th and 5th century after the departure of Jesus.

Why did this doctrine take 300 to 400 years after his disappearance? Where all those who prayed differently on the wrong path? What becomes of them?

Is this not akin to the following prayers?

“Adoration of Ra, everliving, O Solar God who creates by utterance. O
Lord of the Sky, giver of light, Lord of the unplundered tomb, who gives life to
those who acknowledge him; O Heavenly Father, may I enter your Kingdom of
Light, .....

“Hail Osiris, Wennefer (Unnefer), the good god, the justified, Divine King
of Heaven, Lord of Maat, Lord of Rejuvenation, Master of Rebirth, the Immortal
One, King of the Dead. Praises fill the temples in your honor, O Great One the
Son of a Great One. ....

“Hail Falcon, Son of Osiris, Son of Ra, Haroeris, beloved one, of golden
crown and diadem, Conqueror of Evil, destroyer of the wicked, Conqueror of the
Living, justified before your Divine Father Osiris. I have come forth, justified in
your presence, for I have conquered our enemy who invaded our lands. ......

And so many more.
Down all through to the borrowing their festivals.
The word Easter is of Saxon origin, Eastra, the goddess of spring, in whose honour sacrifices were offered about Passover time each year. By the eighth century Anglo–Saxons had adopted the name to designate the celebration of Christ’s resurrection.

Also Christmas was adopted from the Celebration of the Unconquered sun, marking the return of longer days. A practice in ancient Rome.

Oh who practices and covertly practices idolatry?

However it may be 570 years after Jesus disappearance Christians+/- Roman pagan society with the Support of Constantine and Constinople defined trinity through the Ecunimical councils even if the sects differed in agreement.


catholics face the statue of Mary but do they pray to the statue. Do you hear the word statue as part of their prayers? Pretty lame!

You should have directed your question to the Catholics on this for I know that both of you are idolaters.

The Catholics kiss the image of mary
You Muslims kiss the Black stone

The Catholics hope for the Intercession of mary
You Muslims hope for the Intercession of the Black stone

The Catholics worship facing the image of Mary
The Muslims worship facing the black stone.

Tell me how you are NOT both Idolaters?

I am neither a Muslim NOR a Catholic.

Not withstanding, this doenst answer my Question to you

The QUESTION AGAIN
If Jesus is not a trinity in The Qur'an, can you explain how
1. Jesus is a Human being and Messanger of Allah
2. Jesus is the Spirit of Allah
3. Jesus is the Word of Allah

Note:
A spirit is not a human being and the Word of Allah is not the same as the Spirit of Allah!

Truthday:
Why did Jesus, your God run mad for 3 years in Isiah 18vs22

You know NOTHING of the Christian faith to be worth giving time to. Your evidence please!

Why did you not first answer my questions

You said that Jesus is a murderer ; no problem!

1. Is there any prophet of Islam that is a murderer?

2. Is it possible that Allah can derive pleasure from killing

About Madness :
Are you aware that Mohammed ran mad for almost a year under blackmagic?

AntiChristian:
Where is the trinity?

AntiChristian:
Duality and Trinity does not exist in the Qur'an as you claim!

Yes, this is true and logical. Angels could take on the shape of man for as long as Allah wills. However, Jubril was not reborn as a human. This is a miracle. It is not the same as the human body and Soul/Spirit duality!



Allah called Jesus the word of Allah and RuhuAllah and also called him His servant (Maryam 19:30)! This means Jesus was a creation of Allah!
Injeel is also the word of God!
The Torah is also the word of God!
The Qur'an is also the word of God!
The Zabur is also the word of God!

Allah does not exist as a person with Zabur, Injeel or the Qur'an despite them all being His words!



False and Illogical!

Using your argument about Trinity , are you saying that the concept of TAOHEED too does NOT exist in the Qur'an!
If the concept of Taoheed exist in the Qur'an, then the concept of Duality and Trinity exist in the Quran.


1. You agree that Jubril was still an Angel while he was a perfect man visiting Mary.

This is Duality my friend.
Jubril was both Man and Angel at the same time.

Of course, only God can do this simple miracle. LOL!

2. You agree that Jesus is the Word of Allah, the Spirit of Allah and a Human messanger all at the same time.

This is Trinity my friend.
Except you can prove that the spirit and word of Allah is exactly the same thing. And also that a Human being can be the Spirit of Allah!

Jesus was the Word, the Spirit and the Human messanger at the same time.

Of course, only God can do this simple miracle. LOL!

3. Let me ask you another question.
When Mohammed went to the seven heavens and met with Adam, Moses, Jesus, Jacob etc.
a. Did he truly see them or it was a figment of his imagination
b. If Mohammed saw them, did it mean that these prophets body resurected to heaven?

If these prophets were not yet resurected, doesn't it mean they have two simultaneous existence : one in the grave (their bodies) and one in paradise?


Is this not Duality?

AntiChristian:
You posted an hadith wherein the Prophet wanted to write and I asked you what did he wrote?
There's still no evidence that the Prophet was lettered!

Have you seen the evidence of your prophet's writings and what he was about writing?

TenQ:
I thought you were trying to separate literacy from being lettered?


The argument had been if Mohammed was literate or Illiterate !


Is your prophet Literate or Illiterate?



Here below is an evidence of what he wrote

Musnad Ahmad 656
It was narrated that `Ubaidullah bin ‘Iyad bin `Amr al-Qari said:
`Abdullah bin Shaddad came and entered upon `A`ishah (رضي الله عنها) when we were sitting with her, as he was returning from Iraq during the time when ‘Ali (رضي الله عنه) was murdered....... .
But Suhail bin `Amr came to us when we were with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) at al-Hudaibiyah, when he made a peace deal with Quraish, and the Messenger of Allah wrote, `In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.`
Suhail said: Do not write, In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. He said: What should we write? He said: Write: `In Your Name, O Allah.” The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Write `Muhammad the Messenger of Allah.`......



Why would your prophet request to be given a paper to write at his death bed final instructions to you Muslims

Sahih Muslim 1637 c
Ibn Abbas reported:
When Allah's Messenger was about to leave this world, there were persons (around him) in his house, 'Umar b. al-Kbattab being one of them. Allah's Apostle said: Come, I may write for you a document; you would not go astray after that. Thereupon Umar said: Verily Allah's Messenger is deeply afflicted with pain. You have the Qur'an with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us. Those who were present in the house differed. Some of them said: Bring him (the writing material) so that Allah's Messenger may write a document for you and you would never go astray after him And some among them said what 'Umar had (already) said. When they indulged in nonsense and began to dispute in the presence of Allah's Messenger, he said: Get up (and go away) 'Ubaidullah said: Ibn Abbas used to say: There was a heavy loss, indeed a heavy loss, that, due to their dispute and noise. Allah's Messenger could not write (or dictate) the document for them.

AntiChristian:
That's your Quraniyoon Exegesis!

The appropriate interpretation has been given earlier!

In Saheeh al-Bukhaari (7439) and Muslim (183) it is narrated from Abu Sa‘eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) in a lengthy hadith: “……Then the bridge will be laid across Hell.’ We said, "O Messenger of Allah! What is the bridge?’ He said, ‘It is a slippery (bridge) on which there are clamps and (hooks like) thorns which are wide at one side and narrow at the other and have bent ends. A plant with such thorns is found in Najd and is called al-Sa'daan. Some of the believers will cross the bridge as quickly as the wink of an eye, some others as quick as lightning, a strong wind, or fast horses or she-camels. So some will be safe without any harm; some will be safe after receiving some scratches, and some will fall down into Hell (Fire). The last person will cross by being dragged (over the bridge).”

Muslim added: Abu Sa‘eed said: I heard that the bridge is narrower than a hair and sharper than a sword.

This hadith of yours in in contradiction with the Qur'an : or you didn't notice that?

1. What do you have to say about the three Tafsir on Qur'an 19:71?

Are they not unanimous that you Muslims will enter the Fire of Hell?

2. How about Qur'an 19:71 : is it not important again?

Qur'an 19:71
"وَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيَمُرُّهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَسِيرٌ"

Was ma minkum min ahadin illa sayamurruhā...
Verse 72 betray any counter argument

Quran 19:72 -
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."

1. The word THEN (means "After that.." ).
Do you think it means After Muslims have passed over hell or passed by hell? Or after Muslims are in Hell


2. If Muslims will pass over the fire, why does verse 72 say:
Then we will save those who fear Allah!
Allah will Save them from what?

3. Don't you think that anyone who has passed over hell or passed by hell is ALREADY saved and doesn't need further saving?

4. Leaving the Unbelievers AFTER Allah has removed you Muslims is the last straw that nails this.


Muslims will ALL without exception enter the Fire of Hell at least for a Duration.
What if this was A GRAND deception and the Duration become ETERNITY!

FxMasterz:
Imagine the imbecilic response. What do you expect of a man who couldn't differentiate between Mary the mother of Jesus and Mariam the sister of Aaron? The impostor thought that the two entities are the same person. Someone who is errornous about earthly things can never be thrusted about heavenly things. It's only someone who doesn't know what a spirit is that can tell people that Satan is a demon. Chai! And antichristian believes this obvious error, cursing himself and his family daily praying to die a Muslim.

Allah with lies:

To demonize the Jews, Allah says they worship their Rabbis as Lord beside Allah AND that the Jews say Ezra is the Son of Allah!

The Qur'an is the handwork of an Arabian man (Mohammed)!

AntiChristian:
Stop telling lies, what is true is that Allah uses the pronouns "He", I, and We!
And He emphasized that He is One while going against trinity!

And what about the death of your God Jesus while accusing Himself of forsaking himself, can you pray to die like that? Or that of John the Baptist or Paul?

Have I not shown you both Duality and Trinity in your Quran?

Tell me they are Illogical

TenQ:
You claimed that Trinity is ILLOGICAL :

I thus showed you both Duality and Trinity in the Qur'an. Are they also Illogical?






AGAIN:
Please just answer this question and tell me if
1. It is true
2. It is logical.


Question 1:
Jubril is an Angel and he became a perfect Man when he came to Mary!
Since we know that man and angels are completely different, tell me:
Did Jibril stop being an Angel when he became Human?


Question 2:
Jesus is the Word of God, the Spirit of God and a human Messanger of God. Since the Word of God is not the Spirit of God and a human being is not a spirit.
Did Jesus stop being the Spirit of Allah and his word when he became Human?


These are examples of Duality and Trinity in Islam.
Please just answer these two simple questions and tell me if
1. It is true
2. It is logical.

jaephoenix:
Whats your definition of intelligence, kind sire?

Brute force vs sense: choose which is Intelligence in operation?

jaephoenix:
Oh Flying Spaghetti Monster!
What stupid intelligence is that?!
If their feet had sticky cups and their exoskeletons are light, then that's bread and butter to them.
Did you land on your head as a baby?

LOL!
The Ant are even more intelligent!

I thought you were trying to separate literacy from being lettered?


The argument had been if Mohammed was literate or Illiterate !


Is your prophet Literate or Illiterate?

AntiChristian:
You posted an hadith wherein the Prophet wanted to write and I asked you what did he wrote?
There's still no evidence that the Prophet was lettered!

Here below is an evidence of what he wrote

Musnad Ahmad 656
It was narrated that `Ubaidullah bin ‘Iyad bin `Amr al-Qari said:
`Abdullah bin Shaddad came and entered upon `A`ishah (رضي الله عنها) when we were sitting with her, as he was returning from Iraq during the time when ‘Ali (رضي الله عنه) was murdered....... .
But Suhail bin `Amr came to us when we were with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) at al-Hudaibiyah, when he made a peace deal with Quraish, and the Messenger of Allah wrote, `In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.`
Suhail said: Do not write, In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. He said: What should we write? He said: Write: `In Your Name, O Allah.” The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Write `Muhammad the Messenger of Allah.`......



Why would your prophet request to be given a paper to write at his death bed final instructions to you Muslims

Sahih Muslim 1637 c
Ibn Abbas reported:
When Allah's Messenger was about to leave this world, there were persons (around him) in his house, 'Umar b. al-Kbattab being one of them. Allah's Apostle said: Come, I may write for you a document; you would not go astray after that. Thereupon Umar said: Verily Allah's Messenger is deeply afflicted with pain. You have the Qur'an with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us. Those who were present in the house differed. Some of them said: Bring him (the writing material) so that Allah's Messenger may write a document for you and you would never go astray after him And some among them said what 'Umar had (already) said. When they indulged in nonsense and began to dispute in the presence of Allah's Messenger, he said: Get up (and go away) 'Ubaidullah said: Ibn Abbas used to say: There was a heavy loss, indeed a heavy loss, that, due to their dispute and noise. Allah's Messenger could not write (or dictate) the document for them.

AntiChristian:
Where did you see Christian Jinns?

Christian Jinn is what you Muslims say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXEGYh5N7co


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6ohf7-6sco

AntiChristian:
You are very wrong!

I am not wrong o!
Yes: this is expressly stated in the Qur'an by Allah

Qur'an 19:71
"وَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيَمُرُّهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَسِيرٌ"

Was ma minkum min ahadin illa sayamurruhā...

I am sorry to say my brother : this was one of those verses that opened my eyes to study Islam properly without bias.

Don't go by the translation (as Muslim translators think it is halal to twist the Qur'an to make it say nicer things) : go by the Arabic!

Every Muslim according to Allah will FIRST enter the Fire of Hell before Allah will now accept their ransome



See what your Tafsirs say:
ALL Muslims will enter the Fire of Hell until they are finally ransomed.

See your Tafsirs on Qur'an 19:71

Quran 19 :71 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place.


Qur'an 19.71 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
There is not one of you but shall come to it, that is, [but] shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability [already] decreed by your Lord, [something which] He made inevitable and [which] He decreed; He will not waive it.


Qur'an 19.71-72 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
Everyone will be brought to Hell, then the Righteous will be saved
Ibn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,



All Muslims are entering Hell Fire!

jaephoenix:
Can you show me the link where they made the claim , if you don't mind?
By the way, Sophia was first activated on Valentines Day, February 14, 2016

There was no writing in existence billions of years ago. All the scientists did in 2016 was to switch on the robot. No one programmed it

jaephoenix:
No ants can't carry infinite weight. Did you even bother to read the link or you're bent on exposing more ignorance this fine morning?

Let me help you out ,

Did the lifting of the carcass off the lip of the pot look like Intelligence OR a brute strength in action to you?

jaephoenix:
Did you read my deposition, or you just feel like ignorance is your motto today?

Didn't Scientific studies claimed that Sophia's software program evolved overbillions of years : I don't get it!

jaephoenix:
Sophia is a social humanoid robot developed by the Hong Kong-based company Hanson Robotics. Sophia was activated on February 14, 2016, and made its first public appearance in mid-March 2016 at South by Southwest in Austin, Texas, United States.

Copied.
Your ignorance is simply mind-boggling

So it wasnt from the Amazon forest!?
Did it no program itself over billions of years?

jaephoenix:
Sticky feet!
Arolia are located between the claws at the tip of every ant foot. These balloonlike pads allow ants to defy gravity and crawl on ceilings or ultrahard surfaces like glass. When an ant walks up a wall or across a ceiling, gravity causes its claws to swing wide and pull back.

The above combined with their exoskeleton structure allowed them to carry the gecko.
Any other questions, sire?

And recent knowledge says that the ants can carry an infinite mass of a weight!

See why you will CERTAINLY fail this exam?

The Ants IQ seems higher than yours (no offence) as you still cannot see beyond brute strength!

Powerhouse5050:
It's alright

This is the opportunity for Russia to turn Ukraine to full graveyard.

It is time the Ukrainians revolt against the comedians led government.

In advance

May God rest Ukrainian souls in perfect peace.

Meaning that Russia is EVIL!
What was the Offence of Ukraine according to Russia?

hammerT:
.


NATO caused this war by knowingly declaring in Romania their plan to add Ukraine.



Russia dont want America base.nextdoor.


We have American Base in Niger, how safe are we if America can be calling for military action because military displace civilian in Niger.


Those military base are for regime change.

NATO cause the war but the big bully decided that Ukraine (not NATO) is the one to be fought.

Does this make sense to you?

LifeofDream:
Unfortunately for you and your western master, propaganda won't make Ukraine escape the mass death they're facing...

I heard they're even begging Romania to stop filming their destruction from their border.

Ukraine a sacrificial lamb in a chess pieces between two nation afraid of facing each other...

I actually discovered that not a single Russian soldier has died in this needless war: the only casualties have been the Ukrainians.

If the war ends in the favour of Ukraine, don't you think that Russia would be made to pay for the damage they have done?

Why should any human being be a supporter of Injustice made to Ukraine by Russia?

BoldBrainz:
The US is sadly just keen on prolonging this war. And my annoyance is that Ukrainian clown who's letting the West use his land for their experimental warfare with Russia.

You will rather the aggressor nation walkover their small neighbour taking virtually anything of value they fancy while crippling the poor independent country.

You seem to say:
Why should anyone send help to Ukraine!

jaephoenix:
Ok.
Our muscles as humans have limited power cos we have to carry our own body weight and also an external weight, like a object. That's not how ant muscles are fashioned.
Maybe you can educate yourself more. This ignorance is truly amazing.
https://entomologytoday.org/2014/02/11/ants-can-lift-up-to-5000-times-their-own-body-weight-new-study-suggests/

Brute strength isn't everything bro!

This is why you are the classic example of the atheist that will fail this exam. Did you see how they carried the gecko over the lip of the flower pot?

I bet you never saw the technicalities they surmounted!

My dear Muslims,
1. Is Mohammed literate or Illiterate ?

2. Why is the answer so difficult to say?

3. What have I written that is untrue about Mohammed's literacy ability ?

4. What else are "they" hiding from you about Mohammed and Islam?








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FxMasterz:
Yes now, God already said Ishmael was going to be a wild ass of a man. The prophecy was fulfilled on him, His children and the religion they represent are known world wide to be wild asses. Kids in Arabic schools are so wild. You cannot compare them to church kids. In my area, they are the ones who would quickly pick up stones to hit their friends during a slight argument.

Antichristian was quoting scripture the other time that "The Kingdom of heaven suffereth violence/" In his warped mind, he thinks the violence is like the one exhibited by muslims. I forgot to answer him but he himself knows very clearly that Christians are not known for violence worldwide. The Kingdom of heaven is a spiritual place. Physical violence cannot get you there, The scripture is talking about spiritual violence. To wage war against the devil and all the princes of darkness who have vowed to make sure you inherit hell. So we fight a spiritual war daily against the devil and his agents in our quest to make heaven. These islamists won't understand.

How can AntiChristian know what Mohammed himself never knew: the spirit!

The Jews were having a theological debate about Daniel if he was a major or minor prophet as EVERY major prophet was directly spoken to by God's Spirit. They remembered that across the street was a self proclaimed Greatest prophet and the Last of the batch. They asked, Mr Mohammed : "What about the Spirit?".

Mohammed was lost! He didn't understand the question nor even know what a spirit is. Days went into weeks and the ficticious Jubril didn't show up to tell the Jews the answer. After he couldn't tell them the answer, Allah came to solve the problem for him.

Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little.

What a response. From that point on, the Jews knew without a doubt that Mohammed was a FAKE IMPOSTURE Prophet and they couldn't hide it.

From that point on, Mohammed's hate multiplied for the Jews and he vowed to eliminate the from Arabia peninsular.

How can he understands the phrase "kingdom of God suffering violence and violent men possessing it"!?

jaephoenix:
How is natural selection related to 7 wonders of the world?

You know over billions of years, the wind can start carrying grains of wet sand particles under great temperature and heat to build like say the pyramids at Egypt. This happened just before the Dinosaurs came into existence. A lot can happen in a hundred million years o

jaephoenix:
So who programmed such a smart and intelligent programmer?

I was told that Sophie the AI Robot was found in the Amazon forest about 210 years ago: and no one programmed it. Isn't it amazing?

jaephoenix:
Have you heard about reflexes before? Many body functions are reflexes and doesn't require though. Breathing, stooling, urinating etc.
A little research should clear you up but no, you have to learn your biology from your pastor. Wonderful!

Are you saying that the mechanism of the Ants carrying this heavy weight is through a reflex action!? Wonderful : I didn't know that. I once passed a chemical practical exam too by reflex action. I was surprised I didn't have to read for the exam just like the Ants

jaephoenix:
A fish's body is tailor made for swimming and once a fish hatches it just starts gliding in water. And the swimming helps them breathe. Not much required effort. Just like a human breathing which is effortless unless there is a pathology

Okay, just like we humans breathe abi. It is automatic.
I get it.

Is carrying a massive weight over an inverted obstacle (love ke upside down the lip of the pot) trivial and automatic.

You didn't watch the video clip : did you?

jaephoenix:
I have found that many theists have this poor grasp of science that is amazing. Its like a bug in their brain that keep scientific contents constantly wanting.
Bro, have you researched anything about ants, at all?

No sir.
I know practically nothing about Ants as I've never read a single research paper or book about them and their behaviour. But I know that many Adult human beings who went to a tertiary institution will fail this exam. You care to educate me please!?

LegalWolf,
Is Mohammed literate or Illiterate ?

Truthday:
Jesus is a murderer. Killing infants. 😂🤣😂 So your God derives please killing infants

1. Is there any prophet of Islam that is a murderer?

2. Is it possible that Allah can derive pleasure from killing

AntiChristian:
How is this related to the topic?

You claimed that Trinity is ILLOGICAL :

I thus showed you both Duality and Trinity in the Qur'an. Are they also Illogical?






AGAIN:
Please just answer this question and tell me if
1. It is true
2. It is logical.


Question 1:
Jubril is an Angel and he became a perfect Man when he came to Mary!
Since we know that man and angels are completely different, tell me:
Did Jibril stop being an Angel when he became Human?


Question 2:
Jesus is the Word of God, the Spirit of God and a human Messanger of God. Since the Word of God is not the Spirit of God and a human being is not a spirit.
Did Jesus stop being the Spirit of Allah and his word when he became Human?


These are examples of Duality and Trinity in Islam.
Please just answer these two simple questions and tell me if
1. It is true
2. It is logical.

FxMasterz:
I tell you bro. They'll even go for their benefactors' heads at such a time.

The Spirit of Islam is the Spirit of violence. See how they protected the murderer of Deborah because he has done the work of Allah.

He is probably in a University in Maradi, Niger Republic studying Islamic law and jurisprudence or Arabic language.