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Zodiac61:
Nothing to see here. His delusions are not proof of the existence of God.

Did any one speak of God or the need to believe God is!?
It's not about God, it's about the reality beyond the physical

LordReed:
You haven't answered either of my questions.

You didn't ask me any question I'm aware of. It's you I see not answering my question.

Your last question :

Why must I take his experience seriously? Are all experiences to be taken seriously?

My response

1. His OBE!
2. If it is true, what explanation do you have for it?

Lukuluku69:
Glad to see that your education about Sects in Islam is not a waste. EVERYONE and ANYONE who upholds the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions is with the MAINSTREAM. The Sunnis. As you can see your Ambali, Hanafi and what have you have nothing to do with Sects as you understand it with Christianity. Hambali school of thoughts will never tell you that folding your arms across your chest will make you a Jahanam candidates the way the JW are putting everyone of you in the same basket or the way the Catholics are saying without the effigies of Angels and men others are doomed to hellfire.

So, you attend your own church alone? Lol. Abeg spin another one!

You are Sunni: which sect of Sunnis are you?
The Sunni is a broad group, don't forget the the Sunni alone are subdivided into schools of theology such as the Atharī, Ashʿarī, Māturīdī and schools of jurisprudence
such as the Ḥanafī, Mālikī, Shāfiʿī and Ḥanbalī. So, which one are you?

Lukuluku69:
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Lol

So, you can't find it? Too bad.

I will teach you your Bible. No joke here.

I just watch when you guys make unfounded claims about Islam here and there. Everything thing the Muslims are doing is right there in your Bible. Every single thing.

Oneness of God, Zakat, Hajj, belief in the Prophets, belief in previous Books. Everything your book. But it is not the eyes that are blind but the heart. Once it is closed and diseased, the eyes will see what the heart dictates .

What has Jesus returning again as written in the Quran got to do with the Bible?

Since you were not quoting the reference, I am no more interested. QED!

Lukuluku69:
So, you don't know that the Fig Tree represents Israel? Even in your Bible? And you have been reading it for how long? And I am sure you never heard it before anywhere until when a Muslim tells you? Wonderful

Evidence from your Quran that Israel is the Fig tree by which Allah swears.

You said Jesus cursed the Fig tree but Allah swears by the tree Jesus cursed.

Does this make sense to you?


Why does Allah swear by the Fig Tree?

Kobojunkie:
1. According to Genesis 3 vs 16 there, there is no resurrection for the unrighteous since they all cease to exist in their graves. So, why do you reject what is written in order to assert that which is not written though?

Jesus said that the kingdom og God belongs to children and childlike people.
If children/babies are unrighteous, are you saying that Jesus was wrong?

Kobojunkie:
2. You mean because Daniel's death was not reported, we are to assume he never died at all?

You are the one insinuating that.

Kobojunkie:
3. "From dust you(mind, body, and soul) were made and to dust you(mind, body, and soul) will be returned" is figurative speak which means one ceases to exist in the grave i.e. perish in the grave. The righteous, however, do not perish in the grave.

If the righteous do not perish in the grave but sleeping : how come Elisha and Joseph were reduced to just bones in their grave?
What happened to their bodies?

advocatejare:
He is also an online Beggar like NeoWanZaeed, you will notice him on many threads begging for money.

He wrote that he is a Muslim even though he deceitfully refer to himself as Mikel99 and lied that Nairaland wouldn’t allow him use his real name as if we don’t have many Muslim moniker on Nairaland.

Nairaland doesn't forbid the use of real names as long as no one has taken it as a moniker

Thanks anyways bro!

Lukuluku69:
My Sect is those of Prophet Muhammad followers who upholds the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions. That would place me with the Sunnis.

So, are you a Unitarian or Three in One Trinitarians? Gay loving Anglicans or the image worshippers in the Catholics or among the Thousand and one headless mob disturbing us daily with no tangible directions Doctrine wise?

The Sunni is a broad group, don't forget the the Sunni alone are subdivided into schools of theology such as the Atharī, Ashʿarī, Māturīdī and schools of jurisprudence
such as the Ḥanafī, Mālikī, Shāfiʿī and Ḥanbalī. So, which one are you?

Sorry to disappoint you, I do not belong to all you've listed.

Kobojunkie:
1. Which one be babies will suffer eternal death again?

Babies are born unrighteous you said : did I get you wrong? What happens to unrighteous people after resurection?
Do dead babies cease to exist?

Kobojunkie:
2. No Scripture of what on Daniel? Oh...wait...so...all this while you have been
ROFLMAO


Please try to understand the curse, and its ramifications as stated in the above passage before you respond. The curse, as I explained, is meant to destroy a man entirely — cease to exist— in the grave. However, the power of the curse which is to destroy a man entirely in the grave does not hold over the righteous. All of the righteous who are reported to have died are in fact not dead but sleeping in their graves to be raised back to life again by God. However, all the unrighteous dead will not be raised back from the dead because the curse utterly destroyed them in the grave - there is no holding place which like you imagine called hell where the essence of their beings is stored or kept. No, the man is utterly destroyed by the curse. That is what that curse is about.

I guess you Bible reported the death and burial of Daniel.

Are you saying that the righteous will Nit return to dust at death?

Lukuluku69:
You can't find it ke? You must find it o! So, do some readings...

As for swearing, you call it swearing but if you look at the Quranic Language, it is I call to Witness...... The Stars, the Moon etc. And Allah is the Almighty he disdain not to do what he wishes nor use anything to pass a message across.

And the Fig Tree represents Israel too. It is not mundane thing. Read the Bible. That is the symbolic meaning of Jesus CURSING That Fig Tree when it couldn't hear FRUITS. Jesus CURSED Israel! After him, NO MORE FRUITS (Prophets ) till the end of Time and that Fruits will be given to ANOTHER NATION. But the Canal Greeks that redacted the Jesus story thought he was Hungry

I take it that you don't have it in the quran. Thanks. I'm no more interested

I defined swearing for you didn't I?
Preamble :
Usually, swearing is done as an invocation of a higher power to bear testimony or evidence to your words or promise.

The issue is Not just bearing a Witness : it is about it having the Power to bear witness.

Let me show you the weakness
Can the sun bear witness about a anything at night?

The God of Abraham cannot swear by anything lower than Himself, how come Allah swears by the mundane?




I am hearing this for the first time:
Does the Fig Tree truely represent Israel in Islam? Please give me a reference!

Lukuluku69:
I did. Read again.

And are you a Unitarian or Trinitarian? Gay loving Anglicans or image worshipping Catholics ? Fly your color

You did not!

Kobojunkie:
1. The fact that it was witnessed by at least 1 other means that transfiguration does not fit the bill as far as subjective experiences go.

2. I don't understand exactly what you mean when you say it is not repeatable by anyone. Jesus Christ did state that all will become like angels, so what exactly do you mean?

3. Subjective experience of the 3 disciples of Jesus Christ. HUH?

No ma. It is still subjective.
Was Moses and Elijah flesh and blood?
Didn't Jesus also transform?


Any non physical experience which cannot be replicated is a subjective experience.

Dialpad:
This is a good move, I know many are waiting to hear news of when we can start spending dollars on our naira cards.

How can one have millions in a naira account but can't spend when you travel out, some lunatic tells me I can only spend $100 monthly.

If you are waiting to spend dollars on your naira card, click the like button.... lol

President Tinubu has impressed me tremendously thus far. He is cleaning out a rotten system.

Kobojunkie:
1. First of all, nobody is created/born holy or righteous or a sinner from birth. Rather one becomes a sinner the moment one begins to sin or one becomes holy through continuous submission and obedience to God's Law. Because of the curse of God against mankind as a result of Adam's sin, all are born unrighteous — removed from God— from birth. Only those who then seek God, and His Holiness are eventually able to be approved righteous by God.

2. Daniel is to this day sleeping in his grave — he didn't turn to dust according to the curse since Daniel was also approved righteous by God.

Are you saying that, babies will suffer eternal death since they are unrighteous

On Daniel, you have no Scripture: do you!? . How about Joseph his bones were removed from Egypt. Elisha's bones raised the dead!
Were these righteous or u righteous?

Kobojunkie:
1. Unlike your dreams, the Transfiguration of Jesus Christ was witnessed by others—, and according to Jesus Christ will be experienced by all who belong to Him— meaning it does not fit the definition of that which is in fact a subjective experience in anywise.

2. According to you, dreams are subjective experiences, right?

Withnessed only by 3 disciples.
No one else have experienced it.
It is not repeatable by anyone.
Therefore the Transfiguration is a subjective experience of the 3 disciples of Jesus.

LordReed:
Why must I take his experience seriously? Are all experiences to be taken seriously?

His OBE!
If it is true, what explanation do you have for it?

advocatejare:
He is not, Mikel99 is Abdulsamad one of the liars for Islam here on Nairaland

Thanks so much. I am just coming across him on NL

Lukuluku69:
Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds - for them is a reward uninterrupted. Quran 41:8

As for my Sect, I am with those who believe in The Quran and the Prophetic Traditions of our beloved Prophet.

Are you a Unitarian or Trinitarian Christian? Or you congregate with the Sodomite loving Anglicans? Or the Image worshipping Catholics? Show your color man!

You did Not mention the name of your sect sir

Lukuluku69:
I swear by Allah that the Second advent of Prophet Isa ibn Maryam is mentioned in the Glorious Quran

Any other thing?

And if you want to keep the convo going, refrain from going overboard with you adjectives. I know it is in you to over elaborate and use meaningless and unnecessary words to score non existing points. Just ease off on the adjectives!

And if you desire to know why Allah swear by the Fig Tree or why Jesus Cursed it too, ask! But do so nicely

I can't honestly find where Jesus was said to return again in the Quran : therefore I ask as I want to know


Okay, I'll ask nicely!
Preamble :
Usually, swearing is done as an invocation of a higher power to bear testimony or evidence to your words or promise.
Heb 6:13-14:
"For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he swore by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you."

Question:
With respect to the verse above where the God of Abraham cannot swear by Anything lower than Himself, why does Allah swear by the mundane like the Fig tree, the moon or the stars as the pagans do?

Thank you

Lukuluku69:
Read Suratul Iklas, it will answer your question.

The question is simple: yes or no

Do you believe in the Son?
The Word of God who became Human known as The Son of God here on earth!

Kobojunkie:
1. Does God Himself believe in your subjective experiences? Nothing of the Born-again experience is subjective in nature since each and everyone has to experience the same things and come away with the same proofs. So where do these subjective experiences you speak of come from?

2. How in the world was the transfiguration on the Mount a subjective experience when it was witnessed by those around Jesus Christ at the time?

Subjective experiences are not repeatable by others And the experiences cannot be made available to others eg. Your Dreams.

However in the case, I speak about the Transfiguration of Christ.

I said :
Are you an Atheist? Atheists do not belive in subjective experiences! What about you?
Example : The Transfiguration of Christ!

Kobojunkie:
The curse condemned all those under it to be destroyed in the end— returned to the dust from which they were made after death. Abel, Abraham, Enoch, Noah, and Elijah were not destroyed by the curse meaning though they were all born under the curse, the curse did not wield absolute power over any of them. Righteousness is the key to overcoming the absolute power of the curse in question.

But babies do die and end up as dusts.
Even foetus are not excepted.

Are these unrighteous?

And Daniel wasn't exempted! Why?

Lukuluku69:
Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds - for them is a reward uninterrupted. Quran 41:8

As for my Sect, I am with those who believe in The Quran and the Prophetic Traditions of our beloved Prophet.

Are you a Unitarian or Trinitarian Christian? Or you congregate with the Sodomite loving Anglicans? Or the Image worshipping Catholics? Show your color man!

When you didn't tell me the name of your sect!

Jhn 3:36:
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God stays on him.""


Do you believe in the Son?

budaatum:
I am not denying NDEs or OBEs. I am claiming that what ever you experience under the terms is not a real physical thing.

Like you might see angels or go to heaven or hell as part of your NDE and or OBE, but claiming therefore that angels or heaven or hell exist or that you went to an actual heaven or hell is untrue.

If, as part of your NDE or OBE, you went to a lavish restaurants and ate a fancy meal, there would be no evidence of it in your belly and you'd be as hungry as you were before the experience just as would be the case if you dreamt it.

https://www.nairaland.com/7726647/near-death-experience-atheist-professor/1#123786239

In OBEs, people experience REAL life environment while physically not within such environment. OBEs are sometimes verified by others: there are many reports of that!

budaatum:
Yes. They think they don't know it but do. The unconscious is a very powerful thing, as is the mind.

They could also be lying that they do not know.

The mind can see beyond consciousness!!?

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Still can't find it? Try more man! Try more....

Asking me to find something that doesn't even exist in his quran is a fraud!

Swear by Allah or the Fig tree that the coming of Jesus is in the Quran!

LordReed:
What am I not understanding?

Did I say he didn't have an experience?

It seems so!
His testimony as far as you are concerned is a tale not to be taken seriously

LMAO! Please laugh very well at this wonderful tale that you god believers cannot even agree on. Bwahahahahahaha!

It is either you deny he had an experience or you agree he does. If he does, then take it seriously

Kobojunkie:
This is what I said

Are you saying Enoch and Elijah weren't under the curse of death passed on Adam and Eve?

Kobojunkie:
Did God or Jesus Christ state anywhere in Scripture that Hell or Heaven is meant to be this subjective experiences you speak of?

Are you an Atheist?

Atheists do not belive in subjective experiences! What about you!

Example : The Transfiguration of Christ!

Lukuluku69:
The problem with you is that you assume too much, you over cook your responses. That said, I will still respond.

Jesus did he not say some of his followers will be denied on Judgement Day? " Many will say to me Lord, Lord in your name we have done many wonderfully things etc and I will say to them depart from me?" If Jesus deny you on Judgement Day, na where you go end up?

Of cos there are Sects in Islam but look at it thoroughly, there Islam is somewhat in place! The Hanafi, Hambali and those you mentioned, read their Books and tell us how many Gods they worship or recognized. Also, tell us from their writings how many Prayers they recognized daily, whether they pay Zakat or not and what they do during the month of Ramadan, I will wait..... Sebi Dem talk say you like Research? Oya nah.

Lol at your childish mathematics and "slowpokish" assumptions on 1÷73=1.37. Very funny, I know your Cousins here would lap it up and hail you.

Being Sects in Islam has to do with Deviation from the Mainstream of Islam. Just minor details here and there but no major differences and I have given you an example. Bring me, a SECT amongst Muslims that doesn't see Allah as God Almighty, Prophet Muhammad as a Messenger of Allah the same way you have Unitarian Christians and Trinitarians, the same way the JW says Jesus will morph into Angel Michael etc then we are in business.

And of cos erring Muslims will go to Jahanam for any wrongs not forgiven them while on Terra Firma but ultimately they will be pardoned. Read up, O confused Soul

And to your question about which "Sects" I belonged to? The Sects that upholds the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions of our blessed Prophet( peace be upon him)

Jesus gave the conditions for His people getting a space in paradise : obedience to His words. This is correct, a person must bring the required fruit of obedience not just the ceremony of empty statement of "I am born again!" . Very understandable!

I am saying only that your prophet said about you Muslims. 1/73 is a ridiculously low number: don't you think so?


It is scary if only a MAXIMUM of (1÷73)%=1.37% of you Muslims will enter paradise. And this will happen if EVERYONE within a sect is a True Muslim.

Please, which of the 73 sects is your's?

Mikel99:
I am just a kid looking for the right way. I don't post much on Islam because Muslims are not that approachable and reasonable. I an searching for the truth.

You sounded more like an Atheist to me.
Did I answer ALL your questions?

fergie001:
SOURCE

The Enemies who humiliated Tinubu I APC while misusing their power with PMB are all in trouble : The former minister of Finance should get ready!

Tinubu had been ready to rule Nigeria: he knows how to take the hard but ultimately good decisions

Radiant01:
Asiwaju is gaining supporters day by day,may the Almighty grant him good health and may he succeed.

The man Tinubu has impressed even the skeptics up to this time: and he has not even used 20days in office