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Maynthemayn:
Spirit is not a human body. All bodies and objects have shape because of dimensions. I can see what plato means by form and matter.
Spirit is repose and movement, it has no dimension.
We have color because of reflection of light, light itself is colorless, the deflection of it causes different colors.

FxMasterz:
SMH. Why must anyone tell lies to defend his god?

Maynthemayn:
I am 3D and i can’t fathom 1D, 2D, i can only see and fathom in 3D.
We might not necessarily live in 3D, there might be other dimensions right within us but my perception is only 3D.
I can only measure my world through 3D, doesn’t mean the world is only 3D.

Higher dimension will just be another form of measurement different from height, length and depth.
I can view a 1D object that doesn’t mean I’m 1D, i can have tools that can allow me to view higher dimensions but i still remain a 3D.

Is this “spirit space” a form of measurement?
length, depth and height has one constant characteristic and it is for measurement of objects, so any dimension will also have that constant characteristic.

KnownUnknown:
I prefer to laugh at your convoluted musings. You are very amusing.

Maynthemayn:
Repose and Movement.

FxMasterz:
Their lies are accepted by their fake god. So, they do it with joy.

Ignorant fellows.

AntiChristian:
Google translate?
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LordReed:
I was willing to discuss the philosophy. I asked you what the principles were and you refused to answer.

AudioMonkey:
Alright, but at bolded, you should already know by now that you're the only one asking stupid questions and making yourself look stupid in here but if you don't realize or accept that, then that shows you to be even stupidier.
It's obvious you're not that smart, you have a slow understanding and to make it worse you're yet again dumb. Fortunately, since some people here too know this, I don't have anything left to prove.
The thread you created is obviously bigger than your thinking faculty. The best thing right now, instead of engaging you is rather to watch from the sidelines as you keep unfolding more of your ignorance in grand style.
Bye for now lad, see you again, perhaps when next you create a simpler thread your brain can cope with.

Maynthemayn:
I think it will be the same way i know 3D, 2D and 1D, and my perception can only determine the numbers of dimensions i can know, maybe there will be a tool in the future that can further enhance my perception to know other dimensions.
If that’s the case that means 4D already exists right now, i am the one not using it.
I have 2 eyes but they are not sharper than some animal eyes, we might have some animals that already see in 4D or more, I’m suspecting those animals/ants that work on any surface irrespective of the direction.

Maynthemayn:
Exactly, then one should go beyond the doctrine of what one has been taught.
All the words used starting from genesis should be carefully examined to understand it better one need to research on the origin of the books in the Bible, one needs to start from the foundation.
Even the word “faith” from pistis how was it used originally, this is what i mean.

Anyone that desires wisdom is a philosopher, the opposite is misosophy.

KnownUnknown:
Thesis? I guess you call your mumbo jumbo thesis! Lol


Keep busy making your nonsensical claims and call them “theories”.

Maynthemayn:
Of course, i am breathing, i have a spirit, don’t you?

Not necessary “question”, but this kinds of discuss is for the advancement of science.

TenQ:
Unfortunatley
!. Its been long I watched any of David Woods Videos
2. I am not even aware that he has any video discussing this ( I ll probably go watch it after)

Now, to your arguments
1. Mr AntiChristian says: (Al-Wateen is part of Al-Abhar)
I didnt translate the Arabic into English.
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
(69:46) Then We would have cut from him the aorta.
MUHAMMAD TAQI-UD-DIN AL-HILALI AND MUHAMMAD MUHSIN KHAN,
(69:46) And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta),
MOHAMMED MARMADUKE WILLIAM PICKTHALL
(69:46) And then severed his life-artery,
ABDULLAH YUSUF ALI
(69:46) And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:
MOHAMMAD HABIB SHAKIR
(69:46) Then We would certainly have cut off his aorta.
DR. GHALI
(69:46) Thereafter indeed We would have cut (off) (his) aorta.

The Word translated in the Quran is : ٱلْوَتِينَ (I-watina)
The several meanings are: Aorta, Artery of his heart, artery of his life, Life-Artery
Meaning that it has to do with an artery connected to his heart

2. An islamic website refuting David Wood says al-watin is actually part of al-abhar and agrees that they are synonyms for each other
It says:
"So here we observe that al-wateen is actually a part of al-abhar. This is why al-wateen is sometimes used synonymously with al-abhar in some dictionaries. It is because al-wateen is a part of al-abhar, however likewise can't be said vice versa, for Al-abhar doesn't necessarily refer to al-wateen."
https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/prophet_muhammad__peace_be_upon_him__and_the_taking_of_poison

As someone said:
If Allah says a person going to die through Vehicle Accident and he was killed by a Trailer , would the Muslim's argument be :
He was killed by a Vehicle and not a Trailer ?

3. Can you please translate the last sentence of this hadith into English
Sunan Abi Dawud 4512: Book 41, Hadith 19
حَدَّثَنَا وَهْبُ بْنُ بَقِيَّةَ، عَنْ خَالِدٍ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقْبَلُ الْهَدِيَّةَ وَلاَ يَأْكُلُ الصَّدَقَةَ ‏.‏ وَحَدَّثَنَا وَهْبُ بْنُ بَقِيَّةَ فِي مَوْضِعٍ آخَرَ عَنْ خَالِدٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو عَنْ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ وَلَمْ يَذْكُرْ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقْبَلُ الْهَدِيَّةَ وَلاَ يَأْكُلُ الصَّدَقَةَ ‏.‏ زَادَ فَأَهْدَتْ لَهُ يَهُودِيَّةٌ بِخَيْبَرَ شَاةً مَصْلِيَّةً سَمَّتْهَا فَأَكَلَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم مِنْهَا وَأَكَلَ الْقَوْمُ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ ارْفَعُوا أَيْدِيَكُمْ فَإِنَّهَا أَخْبَرَتْنِي أَنَّهَا مَسْمُومَةٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَمَاتَ بِشْرُ بْنُ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ مَعْرُورٍ الأَنْصَارِيُّ فَأَرْسَلَ إِلَى الْيَهُودِيَّةِ ‏"‏ مَا حَمَلَكِ عَلَى الَّذِي صَنَعْتِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ إِنْ كُنْتَ نَبِيًّا لَمْ يَضُرَّكَ الَّذِي صَنَعْتُ وَإِنْ كُنْتَ مَلِكًا أَرَحْتُ النَّاسَ مِنْكَ ‏.‏ فَأَمَرَ بِهَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقُتِلَتْ ثُمَّ قَالَ فِي وَجَعِهِ الَّذِي مَاتَ فِيهِ ‏"‏ مَا زِلْتُ أَجِدُ مِنَ الأَكْلَةِ الَّتِي أَكَلْتُ بِخَيْبَرَ فَهَذَا أَوَانُ قَطَعَتْ أَبْهَرِي ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Anyone can type قَطَعَتْ أَبْهَرِ (qataeat 'abhar) into google translate and see that it is translated as SEVERED AORTA
OR
type قَطَعَتْ أَبْهَرِي (qataeat 'abhari) into google translate and see that it is translated as YOU CUT MY AORTA

This Hadith is VERY SAHIH


We have shown that even abhar was translated not only by google translate but by Sunnah.com in Sunan Abi Dawud 4512: Book 41, Hadith 19

FxMasterz:
Even still, the focus is not on what killed him. The focus is on the fact that he himself confessed that his aorta was cut off. Whatever cut off his aorta doesn't matter. The cutting off of his aorta indicates that he's a false prophet as stated by his own Allah.

Dtruthspeaker:
like saying that because ataga did not die immediately therefore Chidinma is not guilty of his murder. Yet they would never apply this thinking when they are the ones involved. What a Mad people!

AntiChristian:
This falsehood is from one of David Wood's video!

1. Al-Wateen used in the Qur'an verse is not the same as Al-Abhar used in the Hadiths! Both were translated as Aorta

In reality, Abhar is a vein that originates from the head and extends to the feet. When the vein extents to the back it is called Al-wateen. So in essense, Al-Wateen is part of Al-Abhar.

When a person's aorta is cut off the person dies immediately! But that Qur'an verse you claimed was not the last verse that was revealed to the Prophet. More so in Qur'an 5:70, Jews were refered to as usually killing the Prophets sent to them!

Even when the Prophet was poisoned he still lived for a few years.

So as usual, you watch David wood and come here to rant!



Whoever needs to can watch David Wood's video and the refutation on it by visiting the site below!
No need to argue on this guy's misguidance. The video have been extensively and logically debunked by our brother, may Allah grant him and us all Taofeeq and Istiqama!
https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/prophet_muhammad__peace_be_upon_him__and_the_taking_of_poison

Dtruthspeaker:
like saying that because ataga did not die immediately therefore Chidinma is not guilty of his murder. Yet they would never apply this thinking when they are the ones involved. What a Mad people!

DCmaverick:
I was going through a dating app looking for girls around me to hookup with, all of a sudden i saw my pastor there. I jus couldn't believe it cus he is a man of God and he is happily married . So i dnt knw what he is doing there or is he preaching the gospel to all those unbelievers there

Maynthemayn:
And i meant “discuss” in the context.

Maynthemayn:
Also it is good to question science, that is the only way to the development and advancement of science.


But this thing is a 2 way end, the way you are questioning science, you should also question your religion.
Question both ends, so you can remove the chaff from wheat on BOTH sides then there will be more clarity.

Maynthemayn:
All these shapes has length, breadth and depth and more ADDITIONAL Dimensions, if we can understand the first constant 3 dimensions, we can look for what’s lacking and find it out.

LordReed:
LMAO! You just admitted that there was a conclusion you wanted to drive to. You are just salty because we won't follow your crooked reasoning to that conclusion. Bwahahahahaha!

Oh I have plenty to say but how much I say is not dictated by you. LoLz.

Maynthemayn:
Of course, i am breathing, i have a spirit, don’t you?

Not necessary “question”, but this kinds of discuss is for the advancement of science.

Maynthemayn:
Everything you said still ended up at length, breath and height.
All possible dimensions will ALWAYS begin with length,breath and height….
Something that can be MEASURED in a particular way starting from length, breathe and height….

If we understand length, breadth and height as basic as it is, we can better understand other kinds of measurements.

LordReed:
This is great. At last some light has shined through.

So given these definitions tell us why you think 1D is nested in 2D and 2D in 3D and so.

AudioMonkey:
Do you mean a circle shape cut from a cardboard/paper or the drawing of a circle on a paper?

AudioMonkey:
Lol.
Someone showed TenQ the Like/thumbs-up emoji on one of his social media posts and a rectangle drawn on a paper. They told TenQ the thumb on his right hand is made from infinite like/thumb-up emojis on his SM post and that his Home theatre box is made up of infinite rectangle drawn on the paper.
They also told @TenQ that his SM like emojis are slices of his right thumb.
Right now, TenQ is busy looking for a way to slice his thumb so it could give him infinite likes on his SM post.
TenQ is one big joke in here.

Maynthemayn:
Also it is good to question science, that is the only way to the development and advancement of science.


But this thing is a 2 way end, the way you are questioning science, you should also question your religion.
Question both ends, so you can remove the chaff from wheat on BOTH sides then there will be more clarity.

Maynthemayn:
Dribbling around.
It simply means length, breadth and height and so on. Something that can be MEASURED in a particular way.

KnownUnknown:
Lol, it’s really amusing watching you writing absolute nonsense confidently.

LordReed:
LoLz. I dunno who you think you are fooling with this discussion. It is clear you don't understand what dimensions are and that you resisting all attempts for you to gain understanding, your spiritual realm is irrelevant to me.

Maynthemayn:
I have been asking you to define what dimension means, all what you are saying are in fiction,it doesn’t exist.
Of course i am enjoying the imagination of 1D to 4D, I already told you that all what you are saying about 4D is not new, did i not mention “string theory”.
String theory is even up to 10D.

TenQ:
I don't know why you insist on changing the course of narration.

Let me oblige you so that we can move forward!

Definition Dimensions:
1. In mathematics and physics, a dimension refers to the number of independent directions or coordinates required to describe an object or space . It provides a quantitative measure of the extent or complexity of a system.

2. In the context of geometry, the term "dimension" often refers to spatial dimensions. For example, in two-dimensional (2D) space, two coordinates (such as length and width) are needed to specify the position of an object. In three-dimensional (3D) space, three coordinates (length, width, and height) are required. Higher-dimensional spaces, such as four-dimensional (4D) spacetime in physics, involve additional independent directions.

3. Dimensions can also be abstract and apply to other mathematical structures beyond physical space. For instance, a vector space may have a finite number of dimensions or even an infinite number of dimensions.

In general, the concept of dimension provides a framework for understanding the properties, relationships, and complexity of objects and spaces in various mathematical, geometric, and physical contexts.


What happens if there is no Dimensions?
Then objects and space will not exist except as an abstract theoretical objects as a point, dot or pixel in a graphical or space representation.

Now that I have answered your QUESTIONS (did I miss any?), Please respond to mine.
1. It is possible to have a one-dimensional (1D) space within a two-dimensional (2D) space?
Is it possible to have a two-dimensional (2D) space within a three-dimensional (3D) space?


2. If the above is possible,
Is it possible for a hypothetical point object in a 1D space know by any means that he is within a 2D or 3D or nD space?

If the question 1 is impossible, can you explain why?