fijiano202: Honestly All these man said is true ...Ukraine President is the dumb person in this Case ..like I said from the Beginning Ukraine is bound to lose more and more in the War ...
As long as the War drags on there will be nothing left in Ukraine than few cities ....
Even NATO is not assisting Ukraine ...USA is top backer for them
Now Joe Biden is Facing alot and I doubt he would Win America again
So, Ukraine should 1. Forget Cremia 2. Forget her Sea Ports 3. Forget her steel factories 4. Forget her grain farms
What will now be the gain of Ukraine since these will forever cripple her economy! Ukraine will become a land-locked nation who will need to seek the permission of Russia to export anything
Moreover, there is NO iota of guarantee that Russia will not come for any other asset they desire in Ukraine.
AudioMonkey: Nice thread son. First, I do appreciate your effort in putting all these together for few of us who care, in a forum where many may not appreciate intellectual contents like this. I read everything and so far that I know, your description about the dimensions is apt, except that 0D/1D/2D/4D space don't exist. Everything in real world is already existing as full 3D dimensional object in a full 3D dimensional space. Even atom, cell are all 3D objects in a 3D space.
I understand your point of view since we live in a 3D world, our perceptions are trained to see things strictly from the 3D perspective. Your observation of the fact that even atoms are 3D support this notion.
Except that as we move to viewing things below the sizes of atoms, we begin to see strange things like the wave-particle duality of matter showing that a particle may not actually behave as a particle but as a wave. E.g. An electron has a mass of 9.1093837 × 10-31 kilograms and behaves exactly as a particle should behave in behavious like scattering, conservation of momentum etc. In some other instances, this same electron behaves as an electromagnetic waves with its characteristic wavelength and behaves exactly like waves will behave like constructive and destructive interference, diffraction etc. In our normal world a particle and a wave are completely unrelated and different from each other.
There are other phenomenons like tunneling where a particle of low energy can seemingly pass non-destructively through a barrier wall (contrary to expectations).
Square roots of (-1) should never exist but it does √(-1)=i
So many strange things are observable in nature that scientists removed the barrier of limitations in stretching the limit of logic and mathematics.
This shows us that things are NOT what they seem at the surface. Hence, if it is possible Mathematically, scientists will enter the rabbit hole.
In other words, 0D, 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D will be pursued. We may even ask the question of "can we have a non-integer dimension?"
AudioMonkey: Dimensions are more of the "perception" and the "observer". Some folks try to force their 4D space theory by modelling a tesseract but they end up unable to explain it. I doubt there's anything like 4D space object, no. All spaces end in the xyz 3D space - distance. The universe' space and objects are in 3D but perceptions are not, rather they differ from one subject/observer to another. We perceive in 3D but not fully. You can't see what's inside or the rear/back of a 3D object. It's more of perception rather than if the object is 3D or 4D object.
If 4D exists, then it's time. When you merge many 3D objects together, what you get is still a single 3D object but when 3D moves in space - time, that's a new dimension. Imagine a 3-blade fan spinning, it gets to a point you no longer see three blades, all you see is a single circular whirl because you're perceiving each 3D blade and it's movement in 4D time, all at once. Imagine you can perceive the movement of a bullet from a gun and it's journey through space/time to a target at once, as a single event. Perhaps there are creatures which could do.
Space, objects and life already exist in full dimensions, the problem is just the observer and it's perception.
If you look at a hypothetical 2D space (an infinitesimally thin flat plane) on which an infinitesimally tall object exist eg a square or circle or dot, the object can never be aware that it is actually in a 3D space. It will only experience what is normal in the 2D space.
So also, we who exist in the 3D space will be oblivious of the fact that we are in a 4D space because we will only experience what is normal in the 3D space.
Just as it would be wrong for this object in the 2D space to reject the existence of a higher dimension, the same is applicable to us in the 3D space.
kkins25: Your argument then conflicts an already solidified argument:
Since entropy is a form of energy measurement, and knowing that energy has no birthday and no funeral date, we can ask the question,
WHAT TIME DID GOD STEP IN? What is God's relationship in the grassroot fundamental principles that allow a universe to form and exist..
I was too sure this would be follwed by a STUPID question
TenQ: Within our 3D universe 1. Entropy NEVER decreases: thus there must be a time when it was minimum. This means the the 3D universe came to an existence art a point in time 2. Infinite Regress of Cause and Effect is impossible in our 3D universe 3. Every Law of Physics and Chemistry we know came AFTER the INFLATION of the Universe
The implication is that SOMEONE/SOMETHING out of the 3D Universe who/which existed before the Laws of Physics and Chemistry created this Universe. We call this SOMEONE/SOMETHING the "Uncaused First-Cause of Everything": aka God!
A dummy will proceed to ask "Which God?"
Did you read: Within our 3D universe ? Let's measure your naivety! 1. is it true that ENTROPY never decreases without an external force in our universe? 2. is it true that Infinite Regress of Cause and Effect is impossible in our 3D universe? 3. is it true that Every Law of Physics and Chemistry we know came AFTER the INFLATION of the Universe? Yes or No is the required answer. if YES, what are you arguing about in the first place if NO, then you need to go back to study or go back to school
Point of correction: No Sir, entropy is NOT a form of energy measurement. Entropy is a fundamental concept in thermodynamics and statistical mechanics that quantifies the degree of disorder or randomness in a system. It is related to the number of possible microscopic states of a system consistent with its macroscopic properties.
Skyview01: Ok. This is my personal opinion and do not take it personal as you are entitled to your own opinion as well.
I often hear couples give testimonies about looking for the fruit of the womb for about twenty years and some of them may even be in their fifties or late forties.
My question is, what is stopping these couples from adopting and putting joy in the life of some hopeless baby out there in the motherless homes.
Why are we not able to spread happiness to some hopeless baby while still continue to wait on the lord. Why must we adopt our relatives?
When people tell me they prayed for 15 or 20 years for the fruit of the womb, i consider them with a mixed reaction, some come across to me as selfish to be honest.
You are looking for babies, there are babies out there looking for parents, i believe the law of demand and supply should work here or wada ya think.
If you are out there and looking to God for the fruit of the womb, adoption is a viable option.
I know a lady who had her womb removed during a fibroid operation. She is still praying for the fruit of the womb for the past ten years instead of going to adopt.
1. It is good to adopt, but not every couple can adopt a child. 2. It is just like Surrogacy is available, but not every childless couple can take the option
The personalities of the couple matter: nothing is automatic.
An Ekiti boy named Tolani "aka tolani danger" has generated electricity from 2 stones to power his home
Speaking on camera as he showed how he did it, he also said that he once generated electricity from an electric fish before and people around his community could testify to that.
One of the greatest UNTRUTHS recently! What was the source of power being converted into Electricity: the law of conservation of enrgy cannot be broken.
This is just mere embellishment. It is very common in yoruba land. It is some kinda false glorification, adornment, or adorement given to a loser, so as to prevent them from crying or falling into further depression, a consequence of their woeful performance.
A 'Tsunami' that failed to have 25% in 5 out of 6 Southwestern states. - Couldnt even make 10% in the entire NorthEastern States, his party wasnt even included in the presidential result sheet from the region. - Was nowhere to be found in NorthWest. - Non existent in Kogi, Niger, Kwara in Northcentral.
The only tsunami he caused was the division of Muslims and Christians. What a Tsunami !
You don't have to like Obi, but for a person who people call Twitter politician who doesn't have structure nor enough money to spend, he came THIRD. Has this ever happened in Nigeria?
kkins25: Then how do you know God created all dimensions?
Within our 3D universe 1. Entropy NEVER decreases: thus there must be a time when it was minimum. This means the the 3D universe came to an existence art a point in time 2. Infinite Regress of Cause and Effect is impossible in our 3D universe 3. Every Law of Physics and Chemistry we know came AFTER the INFLATION of the Universe
The implication is that SOMEONE/SOMETHING out of the 3D Universe who/which existed before the Laws of Physics and Chemistry created this Universe. We call this SOMEONE/SOMETHING the "Uncaused First-Cause of Everything": aka God!
PastorAIO: A) It is possible for a one dimensional being in a one dimensional world to speculate on the possibility of other dimensions. All it has to do is realise that it exists within a dimension, understand what a dimension is, and that it is just a span within which Change occurs. All that has to happen is for a higher dimensional being to pass through its one dimension. It will experience this as the higher dimensional being suddenly appearing and then disappearing again. If it experiences this then it can extrapolate from its knowledge of its own dimension that other dimension can exist. As long as one can be aware of dimensionality then it won't much to consider that there may be other dimensions. We are already doing it here. We understand what a dimension is because we live In a dimensional existence, namely SpaceTime and from that we can extrapolate that other dimensions exist.
TenQ's questions: 1.it is NOT reasonable to conclude that only 3 dimensions and Time exist. In fact no scientist does so. Physics is full of talk of higher dimensions. It is impossible (or hard) to explain current observable events without recourse to some higher dimensions.
Im perfectly in agreement
PastorAIO: 2. They should investigate phenomena that seem to appear and disappear into thin air. Also phenomena that seem to influence each other from a distance without any force seeming to pass through the established dimensions.
Theoretically possible except that it is based on the assumption that as an example, we can measure the TOTAL Energy (of a set of objects). Eg. If the total energy can be measured and there is an event in which we discover that energy isn't conserved, then we can assume that the lost energy disappeared into the higher dimensions. The only problem is that our measurement/calculation of TOTAL energy may just be limited to our own dimension such that the law of conservation of energy will never be broken.
PastorAIO: 3. The knowledge of 2D may have some help in understanding 3D but there may be some other phenomena unique to 3D that 2D doesn't have.
Not in total agreement. Why? In Perception: If an object in 3D enter the 2D space, such will be perceived as just 2D and thus not spectacular except they can view the moment in time when the 3D object entered the 2D (a miracle) In Reaction: Except objects in the 2D space can somehow be given ability to cross into into the 3D, there is no way (the converse) the object in 2D can interact with an object in the 3D space. The only exception is if he interacts with what he perceives as a 2D object in his 2D environment (since such 3D object in the 2D space will be seen as 2D.
There is an Exception: (this is a mere theory o: it shouldn't be taken as gospel truth) What if an object in the 2D space has a dimension of 2.2D or 2.4D etc. Then, he may be able to cross into the 3D space and interact in it. In the case of the 3D space, what if we have an object that has a dimension of 3.3D, 3.4D or 3.6D: such may be able to interact with things in the 4D space I think in application as a believer (Please this is not to be taken seriously o) God created us humans as (for instance) 4D, thus we can be fully 3D (natural man) and 4D (spirit man) in the 3D world. At the fall of Adam and Eve, we were demoted to say 3.1D (not much different from animals) such that the more we walk with God, the more we increase in dimension (ie the more spiritual we become). In this way, the more spiritually alive a person is, the more he is able to interact with the higher dimensions.
Finally, I must insist that this above is just an intellectual musing on the theme "higher dimensions in relation to spirituality" AND it should never be taken as TRUTH or DOCTRINE.
Maynmann: Bwahahahahah How did you arrive at your own theory of relativity before applying it to dimensions? What are the requirements for relativity before it even becomes a theory? Have you met the requirements? You are using assumptions to prove assumptions, is that not fiction?
When you know the origin of the word “angel” lemme know, going further, you’ve heard of “archangel”, have you ever looked up the origin of the word “arche”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arche
Relative (adjective): Everyday meaning: When something is described as relative, it means it is considered or assessed in relation to something else. It implies a comparison or dependence on another factor. Example: "The temperature in this room is relative to the temperature outside."
Relativity (noun): Scientific theory: Relativity, specifically Einstein's theory of relativity, refers to a fundamental physical theory that describes the relationships between space, time, and gravity. It encompasses two theories: special relativity and general relativity. Special relativity: Special relativity deals with phenomena observed in inertial (non-accelerating) reference frames and explains the behavior of objects moving at speeds close to the speed of light. General relativity: General relativity extends special relativity to include the effects of gravity, describing how mass and energy curve spacetime and affect the motion of objects.
You lack meaning of words you are using, ordinary “spirit” you don’t know, learn them first, look up the language in hebrew. You lack knowledge on your beliefs, that’s why you are lost.
Maynmann: Hope you know that Old Testament belongs to jews and they call it tanankh, if you want to learn the true meaning of words and whay they mean, revert back to judaism and the hebrew language.
Typo error : I meant to write relatively not relativity! The context should have helped you but no: like a brute mule looking for an excuse to fain knowledge
Not withstanding, when you get your thoughts together, you can holla me! Right now, you make no sense: all you are doing is throwing tantrums only to keep yourself talking
Maynmann: I condemned the way you use it compared to what it means in science, see what you said “Relatively (to us) God is in the Highest Dimension because In God ALL our dimensions exist!”
Is this how science use relativity?
Another gaffle: Relative or Relativity is only used in science!?
Continue!
How you quickly descend into this uncoordinated mess of argument is amazing to me!
Maynmann: You are reading a book you lack his context.
What are “angels”?
You lack knowledge on your beliefs.
It's okay! I don't have time to waste with you: All because your new train of argument was extinguished, but you must just continue to talk even if it is just chaotic nonsense!
Have a nice day: I await you lecture on Angels and Demons!
Maynmann: So science use “relative” in the way you are using it?
In scientific discourse, the term "relative" is often replaced with more precise terms or concepts.
In physics, for example, the theory of relativity, specifically Einstein's theory of general relativity, describes the relationships between space, time, and gravity. In this context, "relative" refers to the dependence of physical phenomena on the reference frame of an observer or the curvature of spacetime caused by mass and energy.
Did you not just condemn me for using the word RELATIVELY in science ?
Maynmann: ... How you are using relatively to discuss science is baffling lol
You are indeed baffling?
Did you even check up the meaning of RELATIVE as used in the sentence? No!
Maynmann: Does demon and angels have the same word as “spirit” lol. Look up the origin of the seperste words and also, have you ever researched what jews think of demons?
Please stop this nonsense as you are giving me headaches
What are Evil Spirits? Evil Wind? Ps 104:4: "Who makes his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:"
Maynmann: A proof you do not understand what you are saying.
“God is in the Highest Dimension because In God ALL our dimensions exist!”
You just suggests that God encompasses or contains all dimensions within Himself, he is the highest dimension doesn’t mean he is within the dimensions, he is higher and beyond dimensions.
How you are using relatively to discuss science is baffling lol
The spirit of confusion has entered you again so that in other to win an argument, your judgement and reasoning evaporate.
Maynmann: So why does your god need to be in “higher dimensions” if he can exist without it?
A proof that you aren't reading for comprehension!
I said:
Acts 17:28: "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring." Relatively (to us) God is in the Highest Dimension because In God ALL our dimensions exist!
What does the word RELATIVELY mean in the quote above?
Maynmann: The word in hebrew here is rûaḥ, ruah means air, wind, breathe. Even if you look up the origin of the word “spirit” in English it means the same.
Is the highest dimensions also not in God? Did your god not create dimensions? Why then is he within his own creation? Without dimensions will your god still live?
And you conveniently didn't see that it also mean SPIRIT!?
Maynmann: Your god existed before he created dimensions, heaven and earth right? So he doesn’t need dimensions? What then does he need “higher dimensions” for?
God doesn't need any dimension!
I wonder if you are reading for comprehension or not.
Maynmann: If your god is not an object then why does he need to be contain in a dimensions? Dimensions are for?
Heaven here means skies, if you notice the heaven here is plural. Earth here means ground. Spirit here means air.
When the waters were further separated into different parts, a firnament was created to hold and separate water from above from water below, which kind of dimension is that? What does “firnament” mean here?
Your train of thought is terribly muddled up here.
God is a Spirit: a spirit is not air!
If objects in lower Dimensions and subsets of higher Dimensions and we are IN God, that makes Him to be the highest dimension relative to us.
kkins25: But Dimensions are the dwelling place of anything that can exist.. Since, we know that God has essence, which means he is made of "substance, " then this "substance" must dwell in some of "being" defined by parameters (let's assume its beyond our perceptive capabilities), that will most likely be called something even if it is not "dimensions". Let's not forget that Heaven is the abode of God, considering the distinction between heaven and earth, it means heaven has boundaries different from and does not inter-mingle with the boundaries of earth.
If God is confined to those boundaries, then it isn't far-fetched to proclaim that God Himself may be oblivious to spheres of existence beyond dimensions of the earth and heaven .
If God is the singularity, then God cannot be the Christian God. He must be the God of the Buddhist. Because, If you're correct, then God didn't create anything per se, instead, He was the "stuff" that stuffs were made from.
I've answered this your question:
Relatively to us God is in the Highest Dimension because In God ALL our dimensions exist!
If God is described as a physical being, then the question you asked could make sense. If God is NOT a physical being, then every object in ALL dimensions can exist INSIDE Him.
I said:
Acts 17:28: "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
Relatively to us, God is in the Highest Dimension because In God ALL our dimensions exist!
Maynmann: Is your god an object, if your god created everything, is everything not in him? That verse has nothing to do with dimensions.
Look up genesis 1:1, with no form and empty, check the hebrew world, it means chaos. There was no dimensions then, dimensions was introduced after light was created.
Genesis speak of God as a Spirit! If my God was a physical being, you'ld have been right: unfortunately, He isn't! Can a 2D object be made within a 3D space?
If Yes, your argument falls flat
Sorry, you don't understand Genesis 1: Two phases: 1. In the Beginning of time God created the Heavens and the Earth 2. The EARTH already created with water was without form and void (messed up:chaos) darkness over the deep of water.
Did you see anywhere where water was created?
The dimensions came with the creation of the Heavens and the Earth my dear.
Maynmann: If he created everything which includes dimensions, he is beyond that, he doesn’t need dimensions, why would a creator lower himself to the frame of his own creation?
I have explained this before!
Acts 17:28: "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
Relatively God is in the Highest Dimension because In God ALL our dimensions exist!
kkins25: But, your argument still fails. What you're trying to do is sneak God into the position where he created all the dimensions; therefore the highest dimension that can exist. However, your argument has already being contemplated by the Gnostic creationist who argued that the God you're referring to, YHWH, is the Demiurge, Sabbodoth, who also thought he was the ad infinitum. Unknown to him, the demiurge, that there are several beings above him, e.g Sophia, his mother.
If the 2D cannot fathom the existence of 3D, it goes without saying that the God-D also cannot fathom dimensions over his. After all, 1D exist in 2D, 2D in 3D, ad infinitum. What dimension does the God-D dwell in?
The last paragraph of my post you quoted says:
If God is indeed the Creator of Everything, then there cannot be any other Dimensions higher than His