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AntiChristian:
So in essence it was a lie that Yahweh has a son Jesus and Holy Spirit as Trinity?
Alright!
Bye!

KJV Book of Lies 1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

No need to respond as i know the verse above was a lie, it doesn't appear in many Bible translations!

New King James Version
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

World English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

1. See what you wrote

So in essence it was a lie that Yahweh has a son Jesus and Holy Spirit as Trinity?

The Holy Spirit as trinity!?

2. Unfortunately for you simple comprehension in English you tell you that the three is ONE is not the same as.

Yahweh is the Father
Yahweh is the Word/Son/Jesus
Yahweh is the Holy Spirit


Just as in the Quran
Jesus is a Messenger/Man/Prophet
Jesus is a Spirit
Jesus is the Word


Only a dunce wouldnt comprehend event that which his book make plain: Did not Allah say that we Christians CLAIM that Allah IS the Messiah?

Quran 5:72
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

See how you fail in your exams?

SIRTee15:
He actually wanted to quote me but the spirit of confusion in him misled him to misquote u.
That shows not only is jaephoenix a dishonest human being but also confused and disoriented.
But u know what, he will come here and tell u that it's not his fault because he's destined to be confused and dishonest. He will also claim he was born to be a liar so he can't help it. He's Mr irreversible destiny.

Couldn't help but laugh at this your comment. Please pity his life bro!
LOL!

jaephoenix:
1. Excuse me, what did you correct me on?
2. I was even the person that corrected you. You said the patient that had a SR was given chemo/radio, only for you to deny later. I had to show you a screenshot where you said they received treatment.
LIAR

Sorry sir!
You mixed me up with someone else. I am not in the medical or biological sciences, therefore except for mundane things I can't debate anyone on cancer or chemotherapy . I don't even know what SR means and I've not received any treatment

jaephoenix:
If you don't wanna discuss religion with me, no problem. BUT THEN STOP OPENING ISLAMIC THREADS TO DISCUSS, ABUSE AND HARASS THOSE MUSLIMS SINCE YOU WONT UNDERSTAND IF THEY TELL YOU SPIRITS LIVE IN THE NOSTRILS

Of course, birds of the same "father" watching out for each other!
LOL!

So, it pained you that I am revealing things Muslims would rather keep secret!?

Too bad Bro!

All you Atheists on NL are in no match for me: that's why no storm kicks up with respect to you in my teacup! Narrow minded wannabes forming knowledge! SMH!

Most Muslims even in their errors are a thousand times more sincere (only sincerely wrong) than you Atheists. People with narrow knowledge claiming to be gods to themselves!

jaephoenix:
TenQ is a dullard. He can't argue science or phulosophy.
You cannot impose your biblical definitions on natural things. This is because not everyone subscribes to your religion. Same way a muslim cannot impose his definitions on christians. This is the problem we have in religious countries like Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. People forcing and imposing their worldwide and laws on non-believers

If I remember clearly, I had to correct you on two elementary scientific goofs you made ; yet I cannot argue science. Thank you.

How does the rest of what you wrote relate to me? What in the Bible did I define for you?

AntiChristian:
It's not a contradiction!

......!
Moreover, the Jews believe that when Allaah created the heavens and the earth in six days he became tired and had to rest on the seventh day (Saturday). Some also said that He is poor and miser.

......

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You just gave me an inspiration!
I call you when I am done for you to tell me what...is doing on a BED!

AntiChristian:
It's not a contradiction!

You believe Yahweh has son and holy spirit as colleagues in trinity! That's your misuse! Moreover, the Jews believe that when Allaah created the heavens and the earth in six days he became tired and had to rest on the seventh day (Saturday). Some also said that He is poor and miser.

....have!

Alhaji, you and Taqqiya Lies is five and six.

I need just one reference where Christians say
"Yahweh has son and holy spirit as colleagues in trinity"


Just one reference!

Mohammed your prophet did that also by defining trinity as Allah, Mary and Jesus!
SMH!


I expect your evidence o: it should not be difficult to find! Taqqiya people: can't you not do without Taqqiya Lies?

Felimax:
Of course not me. Thank you for counting me out. If it is not God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit count me out.

i thought you were responding to this from advocatejare

Jesus can’t be a Christian cos he is Christ himself. Christian means Christ-like

Can you be like yourself? No

Sorry for the mixup then!

AntiChristian:
It's not a contradiction!

You believe Yahweh has son and holy spirit as colleagues in trinity! That's your misuse! Moreover, the Jews believe that when Allaah created the heavens and the earth in six days he became tired and had to rest on the seventh day (Saturday). Some also said that He is poor and miser.

If Allah so wise can include Jewish children fables of Suleiman into his Qur'an and the fact that the sun sets in murky waters, the case is closed! LOL!

Did you or did you not say accurately that Joshua (Yehoshua) means "God is salvation" or "Yahweh is salvation." This name is a combination of Yahweh, the Hebrew name for God AND in the same post turn around to accuse the Jews and Christians of misusing the name Yahweh?
Is this not a contradiction?

It has nothing to do with Trinity!

FYI:
The Jews know God Yahweh as the Holy Spirit. They only do NOT accept Jesus as the Messiah or God. According to them, the Holy Spirit is the active influence of the invisible God on persons

AntiChristian:
Where did I say "Jews and Christians" conspired together...? Another big lie brought up by the Holly Spirit!

If they didn't conspire together, how did BOTH of them misuse the name Yahweh?

You are the scholar! LOL

AntiChristian:
There's no taqqiya here just that the Holly Spirit in you hasn't eaten! Give it food!
Allah is the only God you call Yahweh but in a tainted form!
You have given Him many attributes and names He does not have!

In your ignorance, you think the Holy Spirit is a Christian ONLY identity

The same Holy Spirit you misrepresent is what David says
Ps 51:11: "Cast me not away from your presence; and take not your Holy Spirit from me."

Prophet Isaiah said of Him
Isa 63:10: "But they rebelled, and vexed His Holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them."

And Moses wrote:
Gen 1:2: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters."

Job said of the Holy Spirit
Job 33:4: "The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life."

Prophet Isaiah said of Him:
Isa 48:16: "Come you near to me, hear you this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, has sent me."

Secondly, the Torah and the books of the Christians prove you extremely wrong according to your prophet.
Did Mohammed


Who is LYING, you or your prophet?

Sunan Abi Dawud 4449
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:

A group of Jews came and invited the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.

They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.

He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted by Malik from Nafi'(No. 4431).

AntiChristian:
Yahweh is a name used to represent the Almighty God that created all things! It is used to represent the God of the Jews that is one (not three) and the God of the Christians that is one (yet three)!

Joshua actually means "Yahweh is salvation"!
The name Joshua (Yehoshua) means "God is salvation" or "Yahweh is salvation." This name is a combination of Yahweh, the Hebrew name for God, and the Hebrew verb yasha, which means "to save" or "to deliver."

Yahweh is Allah misused by Christians and Jews!
Allah, The Exalted, is High above all such falsehood which they claim. Indeed, the Quran has strongly refuted their accusations.

So amazing that you can define accurately that Joshua (Yehoshua) means "God is salvation" or "Yahweh is salvation." This name is a combination of Yahweh, the Hebrew name for God AND in the same post turn around to accuse the Jews and Christians of misusing the name Yahweh?
Is this not a contradiction?

1. Can you show some evidence of how the Jews and Christians conspired together to misuse the name Yahweh?
2. Can you please show evidence that those who named Jesus, and Jacob and Zakariyah made errors and they intended to put Allah as prefix or suffix to their names.


I guess you may have to review your response with Lukuluku69, he said:

Lukuluku69:
Yahweh abi Yahwerey means nothing to we Muslims.

So, who amongst you too is doing Taqqiya?

jaephoenix:
Lol. So you can challenge me on the case of grilling you, but won't challenge me on the bible? Isnt it hypocrisy?

Did I misrepresent you in anyway?
That was why I said you exhibit School boy wannabe Atheist logic.
Stop claiming a win when there was no contest and no referees. It is a childish behaviour.

I don't discuss spiritual things with Atheists because there is NO Common Ground.

How will you understand when I say God is a spirit?
How would you understand "the talking snake or donkey"?
Does it make sense that Jesus was born from a virgin?
Does it make sense that a dead person came back to life after three days of death?
Does it make sense to you that we exist perpetually even after death?

I can debate you on YOUR philosophy and EVERY other thing like Mathematics, Logic and History because it is common to us.

The ball is in your court if you wish to challenge me on any of these if you dare or can!

SIRTee15:
Thanks for this.
Now the question all Muslims should be answering is how did Muhammed came about the name Isa. Where did he get it from? If it's not forgery, then they should explain.
Maybe u should do a topic and invite them....guess it will be a waste of time because they won't show face.
They only interested in Kedar which I will give an appropriate answer to soon.

When someone learns a name of a personality in the Bible from a Sabian for instance, what do you expect?

His followers were even more dumb to realize the error until they have also spread it all round.

Everything about Mohammed was canonising tales of the ancients from everywhere!

drLateef


Introduction:
The name Jesus is derived from the Greek name "Iēsous" (Ἰησοῦς), which in turn comes from the Hebrew name "Yeshua" (יֵשׁוּעַ). "Yeshua" means "Yahweh is salvation" or "Yahweh saves."

Question:
1. Who is Yahweh to Muslims ?

drlateef:
Essau is his name in aramaic, which was his language. Which is close to Essa in arabic. He never spoke greek nor english, why not call him by his name given by his family?

Dr Lateef,
You fall my hand seriously.

Check anywhere
1. The name Esau עֵשָׂו mean "Hairy" in Hebrew
2. It is an OLD Aramaic name that is no more in use at the time of Jesus as it was even derogatory for a Jew to leave the name of his ancestor Yacob
(Ya'akov) for that of the enemy of Israel Esau. Moreover, Other ancient names no more in use as of the time of Christ included Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael etc
3. The name Yeshua Jesus was an extremely common name in the time of Jesus (I'm sure you didn't know that)
- Jesus called Justus
- Jesus Barabbas
-Bar-Jesus the magician
4. The name Jesus is from the old Aramaic Joshua יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, pronounced "Yehoshua (meaning Yahweh saves or Yahweh my Saviour)

So my dear,
who ever told you what you've written is a 419 fraudster and LIAR!
This name used by Arab Christians to refer to Jesus يسوع (Yasu') from Yasua (Yashua)

Using your logic,
Can we say the name Mohammed is the same as Al-Yamamah as the two names are close!?

Lukuluku69:
Yahweh abi Yahwerey means nothing to we Muslims.

Khai!
One of the greatest Prophets of Islam (after Mohammed LOL!), His name is prefixed by the Name of His God Yahweh!?

Mohammed claimed that he worshiped this same God BUT you as Muslims do not know Him!?

You have been defrauded!
You've been "419ed"!
You've been deceived!

How can it be more SIMPLY put.

LegalWolf:
Lol, brother. Walahi that was what came to mind. It’s just like the potential thief TenQ asking what’s “Theos” or “Zeus” to Christians. I’ve got better things than engage the imbecilic and polytheistic human ritual worshipper!

LegalWolf,
Even though you claimed to be learned, the school never went through you.
Theos MEAN Deity
Zeus is a proper NAME for a specific DEITY

There is a problem when a prophet of Allah bears the name Zeus is my Saviour

Imagine someone deceived by a fraudster clutching on the fake document in his hand as a proof of title document.

You are already DECEIVED Bro!
Open your Eyes to See!
Ask Questions
When you know the TRUTH, the Truth Sets Free!


I invite you both to know the Messiah!

Introduction:
The name Jesus is derived from the Greek name "Iēsous" (Ἰησοῦς), which in turn comes from the Hebrew name "Yeshua" (יֵשׁוּעַ). "Yeshua" means "Yahweh is salvation" or "Yahweh saves."

Question:
1. Who is Yahweh to Muslims ?



Cc: AntiChristian, LegalWolf, Lukuluku69, drLateef,

Felimax:
God! Who still take these guys serious?

Many people except you

IyaebeTheGreat:
My Dad's friend and his family are in a mess now as the second wife (now ex) sued him over willing more than 90% of his properties and other valuable possessions to his first and second daughter.

It started long ago when he got married to his first wife(now ex) who had two daughters for him, they were childhood lovers and they lived perfectly.

However trouble started when he got a job in portharcourt and he met this other woman who came for IT , he discovered this woman is from our home town and he got more attracted and decided to keep her as a mistress, but the woman wanted more.

So, the affairs started over there and she was practically living with him while the wife stayed back home. Soon information started reaching his wife about this other woman but the wife always discard such information saying her husband isn't such type of person.

When the same information keeps reaching her, she decided to pay him an impromptu visit and boom she met this other woman there already acting as a wife, she confronted the husband and he told her he intends marrying her as his wife, she got angry and left back to base(home town).

When this other woman came home, she informed this man that she was beaten up by his wife's mother and siblings when she was passing by their house ( it was all lies) and the husband came home and arrested his wife (her 1yr old baby was in the cell with her as well), her mother and all her siblings and further went ahead to marry the other woman.

It was so messy that divorce was the only option they had left, he also forcefully took her two daughters from her and they were now under the care of the new wife. That was how the other woman became his wife and had three children for him( a boy and two girls).

After several years, the children are all grown, he gave them the best training and he endured so much bad behavior from this second wife to save face not until he caught her with charms inside a sack of garri that was sent to her by her mother and that was the last action that led to their separation. He married another woman making it the third one.

The third woman came and couldn't conceive because the second woman made a vow that as long as she remained married to her husband, she'll never bear children. Till today the third woman never had any child but she remained in her marriage childless.

Now, this man has come of age and decided to have a will on all his properties and other possessions. Surprisingly he willed over 90% of his properties and all other possessions to his first two daughters from his first wife leaving his only son from the second wife with only a landed property.

The second wife got hint of this and vow to deal with him by all means. She has sued him to court and involved his kinsmen but this man insists that that's the only compensation he can give to the first wife who never offended him in any way and maintained that he's not going back on his decision.

As at now family and friends are on his neck to have a change of decision considering the fact that his only son is very responsible and does not portray any form of threat or irresponsibility but he's obviously not listening and maintained that nothing can make him change his decision.

Please is he right with such drastic decision?

Is there sense in willing almost all you posses to a female child who will take such inheritance to another family?

How best will you handle such type of situation?

1. The two daughters have proved themselves responsible and able to manage their father's wealth
2. The son is an irresponsible boy to his father
3. The father could have secretly done a DNA test to know that this boy is NOT his.

jaephoenix:
What derogatory accusation

It started with a prep

jaephoenix:
Dont mind those guys, especially TenQ. When atheists grill him, he'll be running away. He avoids these kinds of topics cos he'll get seriously drilled

Then you went full ballistic !

jaephoenix:
You have no business with atheists but you're forever taunting, opening and getting into the faces of Muslims. Isn't that funny? The few times I have engaged you, you dodged. Be a man, grow a ball and engage atheists, you'll regret your life

Furthermore, you said:

jaephoenix:
Go through your posts and check where LordReed an I grilled you. And another where I and one another person( I think Workch) grilled you where you were talking about science but you got eaten alive. And said you have no business with atheists

I then TOLD You!

TenQ:
You made a Claim, prove it!

The childishness of Atheists like you is evermore glaring to see: when two people are contesting an issue and without a recourse to an unbiased judge or referee begin to claim and celebrate epic landslide victory is simply pathetic and laughable.at best.

I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

Like I said: you aren't worth the trouble! You are a waste of time!

So, again I say to you

I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

jaephoenix:
Lol. If you wanna deny, no problem. I won't be bothered to go through your posts, because you will still argue. At least I gave you the specific occasions

Is it so difficult!?

You accused me of something derogatory
I said it is UNTRUE!
Supply your evidence

Is it impossible?
The record is there bro, there is no way I could have erased it!

Wannabe Atheist School boy argument amount to nothing!

jaephoenix:
Ok. No problem. But stop denying about being grilled by me

You tell lies
I asked you for your evidence
You wouldn't provide one

But you think this will bail you out

jaephoenix:
If something was written before in a book and years later, another book repeats such things the exact way it was written, what conclusion would you arrive at?

So, your common sense is telling you that
1. You wrote the history of Nigeria
2. Ten years after, I also wrote the history of Nigeria
3. Conclusion: I must have copied your writeup on the history of Nigeria.


See how shallow your reasoning is!?

jaephoenix:
I have told you. Since you said you don't wanna engage me, no use unearthing evidence. Have a nice day then

You made a claim and I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

Like I said: you aren't worth the trouble! You are a waste of time!

AntiChristian:
Probably Jesus forgot to mention all this in Matthew.

Holy spirit had to remind you after 2022 years.

Jesus said he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel!

Period!

Your ignorance is especially disturbing.

When someone just copy Muslim dawah without knowledge!
SMH!

At the begining of the Ministry of Jesus, Jesus Chose his 12 Core Disciples

Matthew 10:5-8
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

1. Did Jesus at the BEGINNING of His ministry send out His Disciples ONLY to the house of Israel?



AFTER the Resurrection of Jesus, He said again to them
Mark 16:14-16
14. Later, as they were eating, Jesus appeared to the Eleven and rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15. And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

1. Did Jesus at the END of His ministry send out His Disciples to the whole world?
2. What happens to those who do not believe the Gospel?

Thank you for posting the scripture.
Since you don't believe in the Gospel of the Messiah, aren't you ALREADY in trouble?

jaephoenix:
Go through your posts and check where LordReed an I grilled you. And another where I and one another person( I think Workch) grilled you where you were talking about science but you got eaten alive. And said you have no business with atheists

You made a Claim, prove it!

The childishness of Atheists like you is evermore glaring to see: when two people are contesting an issue and without a recourse to an unbiased judge or referee begin to claim and celebrate epic landslide victory is simply pathetic and laughable.at best.

I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

Like I said: you aren't worth the trouble! You are a waste of time!

jaephoenix:
Simple. The concepts of virgin birth, global flood, resurrection etc were copied from Epic of Gilgamesh which was proven to be written hundreds of years before the bible

See Atheist's circular reasoning.

I said EVIDENCE not re-assertion of what you insinuated.

What is the evidence that Moses copied the Epic of Gilgamesh?

jaephoenix:
If u wanna debate me, come out and do it. Not side debate that you'll talk and run

Do I want to debate you?
No!

You aren't worth my time!

jaephoenix:
Why are these christians like this? This thread is about your own religion, attend to it before harassing another one

He dragged me into this not you, leave us alone. He understands me perfectly!

SIRTee15:
I know what u and maynman are trying to do. U people are looking for excuse not to be held responsible for your bad choices.
By claiming your destiny is irreversible then u can blame the creator for giving u a bad script to play out.
Let me tell u the truth, disobedient children will not escape judgement.
Adam tried that script with God in Eden, when he blamed his woes on the woman 'God gave him'. God didn't reply him but went straight to judgement.
That's how it's going to be for all rebellious souls.

Don't give your pearls to the pigs.

How on earth you want them to understand that they have goofed in their understanding that
Foreknowledge is different from Predestination
How can they be made to understand that God being JUST prevent him from Predestinating anyone for heaven or hell.
How do you want to explain that FREEWILL and predestination does not go together!

You can debate Atheists on Philosophy or Logic or Science BUT it is a waste of Everything to debate Scriptures or Religion with them.

Don't give your pearls to the Pig!

jaephoenix:
That's because they copied their book from yours, while you copied from other sources like Epic of Gilgamesh. Besides I can say atheists have something in common with theists because we were once theists

What is your Evidence that Moses copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh?

jaephoenix:
Are you saying you haven't engaged my moniker before? You wanna swear?

Post your evidence of me dodging you.
QED!

jaephoenix:
Just like its a waste a Muslim debating the quoran with you, isn't it?

The books of the Muslims talk about events and people in my Religion. We this have a common ground.

What ground do you have with Christians?