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Dtruthspeaker:
His friends did it on his behalf and note the words "when The Lord saw the faith of his friends". Meaning, he would not have gotten anything, if not for his friends.



The word is asked, but did they get it? No! Revelation already tells us that God shall avenge the death of His saints.



Did you not hear that a sacrifice without repentance is a nullity?



You said "if he repents" and devils never repent so, no forgiveness for them!

Is the teachings of Christ about "An eye for an eye...."!?

FATHAT:
Then I'll have to teach you a lesson of your life!!! Tag me again and see the outcome

@FATHAT
Have a beautiful day: you've been tagged!

FATHAT:
DONT TAG ME AGAIN PERIOD

I can't help that sir!

Exmilitant:
Always try to understand the etymology of a word before you use them.

the word Satan is an arabic word, 'shaitan' meaning the, one who decieves.

the words, evil, devil, satan are coinations by those who copied and translated the bible.

yes, there are roaming spirits being with ulterior intentions but you are deluded if you belief they have a grand chief called, satan.

The word satan is an ARABIC WORD!?
Have you not been deceived?

Dtruthspeaker:
Forgiveness is easy. Very easy. However, there are many Laws

1) You do not forgive a person who has not asked for it. Adam, Cain, etc.

The paralytic was forgiven even thou he never requested for it.
The murderers of Stephen also never asked for forgiveness

Dtruthspeaker:
2) You don't forgive a person who does not qualify for it (justice) David's error in committing adultery and cover up of it by commiting even even more evil by murderering his partner in crime's husband. Unforgivable.

While we were YET sinners, Christ died for us. We never qualified for it not deserved forgiveness of sin.

Dtruthspeaker:
3) You do not forgive a person who goes back to commit the same sin you have just forgiven.

And many other other Laws

Therefore, the ball is in each person's court and how they choose to play it.

How many times should we forgive those who wrong us? 7 times!? 49 times!?
Luk 17:3-4:
"Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him; and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, and says, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”"

AntiChristian:
Lame and racist excuses!

Are you saying that you can bark only but you are without any bite?

I asked you where the Law of Moses was imposed on any non Jew: you should be able to find one example now!

It shouldn't be difficult now: just one example!?

AntiChristian:
The same excuse you are giving is the same as what the terrorists are saying!

Your God told people to kill others who worshipped other gods!

This is terrorism not love!

Why didn't your God kill them Himself!

Can you please in your wisdom show JUST show ONE event where the Law of Moses was applied to ANYONE outside Israel?

Can you please in you in your magnificent wisdom present just ONE event throughout History where the Jews tried or attempted to convert others to their FAITH by any kind of force?


Can you show just one episode or example where the Law of Moses was applied outside Israel to non Jews?

You are in another world my dear!

Dtruthspeaker:
See, "vengeance belongs to me" is not forgive. It only says "don't take judgement into your hands, let The Judge give you judgement"

Prov. 11. 21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished.

Forgiveness of the act is within the preview of Man to do. Forgiveness of sin is ONLY within the power of God to do.

Forgiveness is NOT easy one bit, however, it is a Command from Christ to US who live under His banner!

Mat 6:12-15:
"And forgive us our debts, As we also have forgiven our debtors; And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Mar 11:25:
"And whenever you stand praying,
forgive , if you have anything against any one; so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.""

FATHAT:
Pls Religious matters are matter's too delicate to be discussed becouse in the long run no one could be persuaded to cross over the bridge so due to this TAG ME NOT AGAIN NEXT TIME PLEASE

1. Nairaland is a FACELESS medium of communication: meaning that it is a fairly safe medium of speaking
2. It is not COMPULSORY to be part of ANY conversation if you don't want to
3. You would probably not be tagged if you have not discussed Religious matters on Nairaland.


Have a very good day sir

AntiChristian:
Your God is love truly!
Yahweh commands Execution by Stoning
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; for the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.
Deuteronomy 6:14

"Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed."Exodus 22:20

In the old testament people were to be killed or destroyed for worshiping other gods.

ISIS is following the Bible!

It seemed you are pained by my post even though I actually didn't say much about you: why?

Do you agree that part of LOVE is DISCIPLINE?
God isn't the "Teddy bear cuddly fluffy being: He is also a God of Justice"!



The Law of Moses applied as a CIVIL and RELIGIOUS Law to the Government of Israel , the Law of Christ applies to ALL who Live under God's Religious and Civil Laws


Jesus (who had the power over laws and retribution said:

Mat 5:38-39:
"You have heard that it has been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say to you, That you resist not evil: but whoever shall smite you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Under that banner we live.

Eph 2:4:
"But because God is love, because he is merciful, gracious, forgiving, patient and kind, and because he truly loves us,"

1Jn 4:7-8:
God Is Love Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and he who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God; for God is love."


Is it True that the ONLY the one Who Created LIFE has the RIGHT to take Away LIFE without guilt?

Dtruthspeaker:
See, "vengeance belongs to me" is not forgive. It only says "don't take judgement into your hands, let The Judge give you judgement"

Prov. 11. 21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished.

I agree with you.
The wicked will not go unpunished, however, the judgement belong to God.

God knows that it is not easy or trivial to forgive vagabonds who have hurt us.
Even then, it is not impossible to say like Stephen

Acts 7:60:
"And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep."

Dtruthspeaker:
Also rendering "just is' to the wicked is love in Motion.

We are commanded to forgive, we have no option or alternative to that. Our forgiveness however doesn't prevent God acting in judgement for a man must reap what he has showed.

Heb 10:30:
"For we know him (God) that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people."

Love is of God!
God was He who Loved us even when we were sinners.
God is LOVE!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD16TqLaZe0

Jesus said:
Mat 5:44:
"But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you;"


Have a beautiful night rest.


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@Akinbahm
I am still waiting for your response. You will note that it is impossible to answer my set of questions.

If you dont mind, I can drop this and pick another different issue. It is impossible to defend Islam logically and scientifically.

So many things are wriong with the standard Islamic narratives

WriterNiig:
Credit: Gazette Ngr

So INEC found out that the Hackers were from Russia!

And they let them escape?
How?

LegalWolf:
Hey Kobojunkie and TenQ

I got banned on three occassions trying to respond to you two on your previous thread. Unfortunately, I have a tight schedule to meet at work. I will be back soon.

Regards

It's been quite a long time. How are you?
Nice to hear from you.

Anytime bro...!

Fut9ure:
We now see exactly where the problem is in Nigeria
North is really not the problem of Nigeria

But the South west

They are taking advantage of the fact that north and south east are not in good terms due to the war fought in the past to continue romancing the north

That devilish mentality and snake like nature will stop one day
Look at adeboye that led a protest during Jonathan era kept mute
South west got no reason to claim anymore that they are the most educated...this election open their yansh well.

The four major contestants were from the three major tribe
So it means we the South South are the one to choose the most suitable for Nigeria without biased because they are not our brothers
And we chose choose obi but due to tribalism the South west refused and supported a man who is sick mentally and physically...national anthem was going on he wasn't Aware

If you can't handover your daughter or sister for Marriage to a sick old man with dementia not physically and mentally fit. Some one not aware of his environment but still you want to support same man to head 220 million Nigeria at this point of our critical situation then may you and your family know no peace


If you are emotionally attached to your tribe, religion and political leaning to the point that the truth and justice becomes secondary consideration then your education is useless, your exposure is useless. If you cannot reason beyond petty sentiments. You are liability to man kind

Everyone should retweet and save this so that our future kids will know that at some point in the history of Nigeria we were caught in between the Devil( tinubu, atiku) and redemption( obi)
But the South west spoilt dragged us back because of tribalism

Every sane Nigeria should look at this and read a meaning to it
1) Tinubu political party and administration is ruling but he was unable to win Abuja where them sit down put
2) his own state of origin osun. Even a twelve year old will win thier own state yet he was unable to win

3) all development in lagos is attributed to Tinubu and he is regarded as the father of lagos yet he was unable to win

Nigerians should put on thier conscience and see that tinubu was rejected completely by Nigerians

I'm from the South South( Edo to be precise)

Why would you castigate a WHOLE tribe?

So many Yoruba people voted for Obi (including me), your write-up is an insensitive injustice. So many North Central people voted for Obi. Let's not turn it into a tribal affair

Perhaps the following will have some answers!

What is the origin of the MOON and STAR symbol of Islam?



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Is your argument that Human beings knew that Suliman was dead but only the Jinns were oblivious of it?

Akinbahm:
1: TRUE

2a: Allah concealed his death to everyone... [there's something called Asbab Nuzur (cause of revelation)] in Islam, Allah concealed his death for a year to prove his power to all creatures that he alone knows the seen and the unseen... same way Prophet Isa (AS) Jesus was conceived to prove to the Israelite he's the most powerful being that can create from nothing to something vice versa.

2b: your question lacks logic... how can someone who's term dead be given food (westerners introduced embalm during embalming process is the dead given food there lies your answer.

2c: if ordinary mankind can introduce embalming how on earth is your brain didn't connect the dot that the supernatural being who created the universe can't do such. Scientists attested to your question through introduction of embalming dead bodies.

2d: if you can connect the above answers you should know this question of yours do not weigh valid arguments.

3: If it doesn't devoid logic, can trace down to the original incidence, people who witnessed the scene must be reliable etc... I'll definitely believe u.

I didn't see your update.

HOWEVER, what the Qur'an said was that
NOTHING showed that Suliman Died UNTIL he FELL

Quran 34:14
And when We decreed death for him, nothing showed his death to them save a creeping creature of the earth which gnawed away his staff. And when he fell the jinn saw clearly how, if they had known the Unseen, they would not have continued in despised toil.

The illogicality of the verse is even well displayed if the case of supernatural EMBALMING was done by Allah.

1. Why was Prophet Mohammed buried on the third day BUT Suliman was LEFT in a standing POSITION (untouched by his people)?
2. So, who was ruling Israel during this one year of Suliman's death?
3. Why would EVERYONE leave Solomon standing without calling the Doctors?





Again:
Will you agree with me that any public MIRACLE with zero Evidence is a SCAM?

Think about it!


How did Allah conceal his death to everyone? Talk is cheap sir! Anyone can claim anything until they are asked specific questions about them
If I told you that the Almighty Allah came to my house yesterday with Jubril and took me to paradise over the night and brought me back in a gold limousine car: should you just believe me because I SAID so?

2. You will need to respond to this sir
A. How Suliman died for almost one year and none of his wives knew!?
B. How Suliman died for almost one year and he was not served any food!?
C. How Suliman was dead for almost one year and he didn't decompose or rot!?
D. How Suliman was dead for almost one year and he didn't receive ANY visitors!?
3. If I told you this same story concerning the king of my town, will you believe me or acclaim that my story is crazy or a lie?

Truth is confirmed when it is subjected to INTERROGATIONS!


I don't see how Asbab Nuzur applies in this case o!

Will you agree with me that any public MIRACLE with zero Evidence is a SCAM?

Think about it!

Akinbahm:
1: TRUE

2a: Allah concealed his death to everyone... [here's something called Asbab Nuzur

How did Allah conceal his death to everyone? Talk is cheap sir! Anyone can claim anything until they are asked specific questions about them
If I told you that the Almighty Allah came to my house yesterday with Jubril and took me to paradise over the night and brought me back in a gold limousine car: should you just believe me because I SAID so?

2. You will need to respond to this sir
A. How Suliman died for almost one year and none of his wives knew!?
B. How Suliman died for almost one year and he was not served any food!?
C. How Suliman was dead for almost one year and he didn't decompose or rot!?
D. How Suliman was dead for almost one year and he didn't receive ANY visitors!?
3. If I told you this same story concerning the king of my town, will you believe me or acclaim that my story is crazy or a lie?

Truth is confirmed when it is subjected to INTERROGATIONS!


I don't see how Asbab Nuzur applies in this case o!

Akinbahm:
Tell me why u raised them initially when u r not ready to dialogue... pick one u think is your strength.

Okay if you want me to start. Only promise that you will answer truthfully any questions I post for you.

I will start with the easiest: I said:
7. Crazy story about Suleiman who died for almost a year and no one discovered that their king was dead.

In the Qur'an
Quran 34:14
And when We decreed death for him, nothing showed his death to them save a creeping creature of the earth which gnawed away his staff. And when he fell the jinn saw clearly how, if they had known the Unseen, they would not have continued in despised toil.

Tafsir of the Qur'an
The three Tafsirs below were unanimous in their commentaries

1. Tafsir Ibn Kathir Qur'an 34:14
2. Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbâs Qur'an 34:14
3. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn Qur'an 34:14

The summary is presented below!

The Death of Sulayman
Allah tells us how Sulayman, peace be upon him, died and how Allah concealed his death from the Jinn who were subjugated to him to do hard labor. He remained leaning on his stick, which was his staff , as Ibn `Abbas may Allah be pleased with him, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah and others said. He stayed like that for a long time, nearly a year. When a creature of the earth, which was a kind of worm, ate through the stick, it became weak and fell to the ground. Then it became apparent that he had died a long time before. It also became clear to Jinn and men alike that the Jinn do not know the Unseen as they (the Jinn) used to imagine and tried to deceive people. This is what Allah says:
مَا دَلَّهُمْ عَلَى مَوْتِهِ إِلاَّ دَابَّةُ الاٌّرْضِ تَأْكُلُ مِنسَأَتَهُ فَلَمَّا خَرَّ تَبَيَّنَتِ الْجِنُّ أَن لَّوْ كَانُواْ يَعْلَمُونَ الْغَيْبَ مَا لَبِثُواْ فِى الْعَذَابِ الْمُهِينِ
(nothing informed them (Jinn) of his death except a little worm of the earth which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his stick. So when he fell down, the Jinn saw clearly that if they had known the Unseen, they would not have stayed in the humiliating torment.) meaning, it became clear to the people that they (the Jinn) were lying.





My THREE Questions to You
[i]
1. Is this story from the Qur'an and Tafsirs TRUE or FICTION?
2. Knowing that Suliman was a big and powerful KING, Can you thus explain
A. How Suliman died for almost one year and none of his wives knew!?
B. How Suliman died for almost one year and he was not served any food!?
C. How Suliman was dead for almost one year and he didn't decompose or rot!?
D. How Suliman was dead for almost one year and he didn't receive ANY visitors!?
3. If I told you this same story concerning the king of my town, will you believe me or acclaim that my story is crazy or a lie?


Please, answer with LOGIC and TRUTH why you think this story is logically FACTUAL!

Yamiriflathead:

Although disappointing
Tinubu tried to hold Lagos with the figures he pulled so far. Lagos is the Capital of Southern Nigeria, so what were you expecting?
This was a fight between ibos+SS+woke yorubas against Tinubu supporters in Lagos who are mainly yorubas and maybe Hausas in Lagos.

I hope Tinubu and yorubas have learnt a bitter lesson from Lagos Elections not to befriend and feed a cub because it is homeless, hopeless, and dying. It will grow up and eat u up someday.

I'm happy yorubas can now sit down and ask qtns as to how they got everything wrong and redress it with BAT as President.

The take home from this defeat is..

Yorubas need to stop drafting non yorubas into the civil service and stop giving them prominent appointments. There are always technocrats who can always fit into any political office from the SW

Yorubas need to stop selling their lands to non yorubas in Lagos and SW

Yorubas need to stop giving out local government of origins to non yorubas in Lagos

Yorubas need to stop allowing non-yorubas contest for Elections in Lagos or SW

Yorubas need limit the numbers of voters registration of non yorubas going on in Lagos, they care so much about Lagos and don't care if their homes rot, Henceforth let them go home and vote. They can't come and dictate to you on how to govern urselves after creating an enabling environment for them to thrive.

Contain them politically, Period!

Congratulations to the incoming President of Nigeria BAT the ASIWAJU of Lagos for winning the most Free and fair Elections since our Nascent Democracy nothwitstanding

Why are you this tribalistic. I am Yoruba but I voted Obi. It has nothing to do with tribal sentiments but on conviction.

Akinbahm:
1: this orientalists claim hold no water as it has been nullified by Islamic scholars... u can proof otherwise with valid points not merely talk.

2: what u put up there does it make sense to u also... make it make sense by providing the Quranic chapters and or Verses u saw those write up.

3: another hearsay bring out proof (Quran or sahih or mutawatir Hadith) i mean hadith generally accepted by Muslims not fabricated own.

4: don't be a learner who knows more than the tutor... also, how to dissect words before passing verdict don't be a lazy learner.

5: bring out those actions... remember human being will always be human being.

6: Ismaheel.

7: even those in medical line can attest to this do your job dutifully.

Note: come out with a proven claims with back up from Qur'an and or Hadith if u want this convo to continue.

I wish you could just pick Any One of these and we thrash it out.

It is one thing to make a claim, it is another to bring a convincing proof.

Choose any of your choice: I'll be waiting!

Akinbahm:
What is giving u headache about Islam and what are the inconsistencies u observed?

Too many sir.

Standard Islamic narratives say
1. There is only ONE Arabic Qur'an!
Now we find out that there are at least 26 different Arabic Qur'ans.
2. Qur'an is the exact words of Allah!
But we find scientific errors that is too impossible for God to make, like semen coming from the rib bone of the woman and backbone of the man. The sun setting in some murky waters etc
3. We find Allah commanding you Muslims on how to practice Prostitution
4. The fact that Islam doesn't know the prophets mentioned even in their Qur'an. If I ask you, according to the Qur'an, who is Israel?
5. Muslims say that Mohammed is the best example to mankind!
But we see several behaviours not worthy of a man of integrity being displayed by Mohammed.
6. We see a Re-Write of History!
Who did Abraham want to sacrifice (Ishmael or Ishaq)? If Jesus wasn't crucified, who was crucified
7. Crazy story about Suleiman who died for almost a year and no one discovered that their king was dead.

There are too many discrepancies my guy..
As Muslims, you accept them as they are because you DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS!


You will find others I've written about here

https://www.nairaland.com/tenq/topics

KingNom:
The thing is God is a God of Justice 100% and a God of Mercy 100% also. So to satisfy His Justice part, our Lord Jesus went through suffering, death and he'll on behalf of mankind.

Remember how burnt offerings and other offerings were a sweet smelling savour to God in the old testament? Lord Jesus' sacrifice remains the crown and best of it all on behalf of mankind and all creation.

I agree with you.

My point was that it isn't God who NEED to do anything. It is Man who NEED Redemption. God on the other hand REQUIRE that Sin MUST be PUNISHED.

A Sacrifice fulfills God's JUSTICE without VIOLATING God's INTEGRITY by letting Man go unpunished . The Blood is the Testament that the PRICE of Sin has been PAID in full: a LIFE for a Life!

zeemahn:
By checking out the difference between the registered and accredited voters, I can confirm that there seems to be voter apathy in the North. The final results from the north will probably not be as huge as in the previous elections. I may be wrong though.

BVAS is making the difference.
No more under-age voters!

YungMillionaire:
Tinubu removed Fashola? When?
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Do you understand English language?
Read again please

georgeakins:
We warned you people, about the Ibos.
If Obi wins the elections by mistake, the first casualty will be the Yoruba.
They have creating problems for Nigeria since independence.
Anyway, Obi can never win.

So you think a Fulani man or a Yoruba man whoever they are are the best alternative

georgeakins:
We warned you people, about the Ibos.
If Obi wins the elections by mistake, the first casualty will be the Yoruba.
They have creating problems for Nigeria since independence.
Anyway, Obi can never win.

1. For equity in Nigeria and if Nigeria truly belong to all of us, let the Igbo man become President
2. APC had caused untold hardship to Nigerians, they should not continue. Didn't Tinubu speak of continuing Buhari's terrible legacy
3. PDP has not repented from their corruption and presidency should have gone to the South after Buhari (a Northerner) concluded his tenure
4. Of course, many Christians are not comfortable with the Muslim -Muslim ticket
5. Of course, APC and PDP are not the only political parties, let us try another party
6. After this, people in government will not take citizens for granted.


If Obi-Datti refuse to perform, we shall ALSO vote them out.

YungMillionaire:
Please answer the question:

Eko Atlantic, Free trade Zone, LAWMA etc. Who laid the foundation?

Who awarded the contract for the 3rd Niger bridge.?

Why couldn't Tinubu build them?

If Fashola did so well in his first term, why did Tinubu decide to remove him?

Obviously, Fashola wasn't playing Tinubu's script

YungMillionaire:
Eko Atlantic, Free trade Zone, LAWMA etc. Who laid the foundation?

We know of Fashola, Tinubu was just the governor before him

Modern Lagos is kudos to Fashola and not Tinubu.

YungMillionaire:
Igbo ti gbeyin ni handicap. I am Itsekiri born and bred in Lagos. You chose Obi (who failed woefully in Anambra) over Tinubu (who laid the framework for Eko Atlantic, Eko Free Trade Zone, helped to actualize Dangote Refinery in Lagos etc.)? Shey dodon ni ke display woke ni?

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Get your history correctly o!
Fashola was actually the one who made the modern Lagos.

Tinubu was able to generate money when deprived by OBJ.

Start with Oshodi....