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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 10:01am On Feb 23, 2023
Muslims like LegalWolf would rather change the subject of discuss than address the key issue


Allah in the Quran QUOTING the Jews, said that that the Jews boasted that they killed their Messiah who is Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messenger of Allah

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


Muslims do not understand the gravity of this in the Quran simply because they do NOT know who the MESSIAH is to be. If this is not true, I challenge every Muslim to explain by Islamic literatures the Concept of the Messiah.

Crash Course Summary on the Belief of Jews about the Messiah:
1. The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"
2. There can only be ONE Messiah throughout history
3. The Messiah is a Direct Descendant of king David
4. The Messiah is the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital
5. The Messiah is the physical representative of the presence of God on Earth (Emmanuel)

Summary:
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies

i. It would have been no issue if the Jews boasted that they Killed Jesus, son of Mary as its just one man in a million
ii. It may be accepted if they killed the Messenger of Allah because his message to them is too harsh to them
iii. It would be understandable if Jesus was killed because the Jews didn't know that he was the Messiah


QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?



Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 9:58am On Feb 23, 2023
Maynman:
1. Is the claim of yahweh true of the sayings of the jews?
2. Why would the jews say such thing?
3. Does any jew even recognize Iesus chrestus?

Both of allah and yahweh claims exist only in forged books.
YHWH didn't claim anything of such to the Jews except you can quote me a verse.

Why would the Jews say such a thing?
Do the Jews know Jesus as the Messiah?

Those are questions you should ask Muslims.

Because
1. There is no reason why Jews will say the killed the Messiah
2. The Jews do not even recognize Jesus as Messiah.


The Question then should go to Muslims
1. Is the claim of Allah in the Qur'an true of the sayings of the Jews?
2. Why would the Jews say such a thing?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 9:07am On Feb 23, 2023
Maynman:
Who told you allah a dummy wrote anything?
It’s a fact that the unknown authors of quran used tanakh and new testaments when writing it.

Look up Barnabas bible.

Who told yahweh a dummy that the jews kill Iesus chrestus?
Write your own original post if you will, my question remain


1. Is the claim of Allah true of the sayings of the Jews?
2. Why would the Jews say such a thing?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 8:37am On Feb 23, 2023
Maynman:
Is that not what yahweh said ignorantly?
Allah is correcting yahweh cheesy
I am not referencing the Bible, I am Referencing the claim of Allah


According to Allah, Is it true that the Jews SAID: "we killed the Messiah"?



Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.



Is this then a TRUE statement from Allah?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 8:18am On Feb 23, 2023
drlateef:
Has jesus the messiah delivered isreal permanently by now? Is Isreal a jewish or Christian state? Do they reckon or recognise Jesus in Isreal? You can see that there is error in that pronouncement that Jesus the messiah will deliver the jews permanently.
drlateef:
My question was for the original poster.
Good morning
Your question is not the point, it is about the claim of Allah

According to Allah, Is it true that the Jews SAID: "we killed the Messiah"?


Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.



Is this then a TRUE statement from Allah?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 8:13am On Feb 23, 2023
Maynman:
And for whose saying?
You are trying too hard and it’s making you to lack comprehension.

And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
According to Allah, Is it true that the Jews SAID: "we killed the Messiah"?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 8:06am On Feb 23, 2023
Maynman:
“And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.”
Is this then a TRUE statement from Allah?

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 8:01am On Feb 23, 2023
Maynman:
Illiterate
Is this then TRUE?

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 7:49am On Feb 23, 2023
Good Morning,
I'll not be too disappointed if you don't have good answers. This is the essence of this post,to make us reason and stop being like illiterate Carrier of Books.


Aven said this:

Allah in the Quran QUOTING the Jews, said that that the Jews boasted that they killed their Messiah who is Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messenger of Allah

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


Muslims do not understand the gravity of this in the Quran simply because they do NOT know who the MESSIAH is to be. If this is not true, I challenge every Muslim to explain by Islamic literatures the Concept of the Messiah.

Crash Course Summary on the Belief of Jews about the Messiah:
1. The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"
2. There can only be ONE Messiah throughout history
3. The Messiah is a Direct Descendant of king David
4. The Messiah is the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital
5. The Messiah is the physical representative of the presence of God on Earth (Emmanuel)

Summary:
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies

i. It would have been no issue if the Jews boasted that they Killed Jesus, son of Mary as its just one man in a million
ii. It may be accepted if they killed the Messenger of Allah because his message to them is too harsh to them
iii. It would be understandable if Jesus was killed because the Jews didn't know that he was the Messiah


QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?



Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 9:11pm On Feb 22, 2023
Kobojunkie:
YHWH, the same God that Muslims pretend is Allah is dumb? YHWH, the God of the prophets from Moses through Jesus Christ, is dumb? undecided
He was willing to throw his prophet under the bus to score a virtual point!
He forgot that he has made his prophet Mohammed the greatest LIAR and DECEIVER in the world if he is right otherwise he is a most pitiful STUPID DONKEY!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 9:07pm On Feb 22, 2023
LegalWolf:
LOL! Who was about to deny that Yehoshua came through vagina? Ehn potential thief grin grin grin grin grin
Your Arabian Jinn of LIES have possessed you again!

Answer my Questions if you aren't a confirmed irredeemable DONKEY!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 9:03pm On Feb 22, 2023
LegalWolf:
Hey potential thief TenQ

You said you wanted to write about Allah (and probably its etymology and what not), if I remember correctly. What stops you from writing about him? Ehn future thief? Although I know you lack substance, but I will love to play with you on that thread... LOL! grin
LegalWolf,
I am both your Nemesis and the one who gives you any semblance of value or worth on Nairaland.

Write your own post if you have the liver or gut or knowledge to do so!
The topic you've dodged to say anything about is represented here for you WHILE expecting you to be your royal "donkeyness" as usual.

BECAUSE DONKEYS DON'T READ, I POST AGAIN THE WHOLE THESIS AND QUESTIONS

Allah in the Quran QUOTING the Jews, said that that the Jews boasted that they killed their Messiah who is Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messenger of Allah

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


Muslims do not understand the gravity of this in the Quran simply because they do NOT know who the MESSIAH is to be. If this is not true, I challenge every Muslim to explain by Islamic literatures the Concept of the Messiah.

Crash Course Summary on the Belief of Jews about the Messiah:
1. The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"
2. There can only be ONE Messiah throughout history
3. The Messiah is a Direct Descendant of king David
4. The Messiah is the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital
5. The Messiah is the physical representative of the presence of God on Earth (Emmanuel)

Summary:
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies

i. It would have been no issue if the Jews boasted that they Killed Jesus, son of Mary as its just one man in a million
ii. It may be accepted if they killed the Messenger of Allah because his message to them is too harsh to them
iii. It would be understandable if Jesus was killed because the Jews didn't know that he was the Messiah


QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?



Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 8:57pm On Feb 22, 2023
LegalWolf:
LOL! Who was about to deny that Yehoshua came through vagina? Ehn potential thief grin grin grin grin grin
Unfortunately your donkey nature is without repentance!
A donkey may carry all the books of the world on its back yet he would neither read nor even bother with what he is carrying.

The Question was extremely easy




QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?



Donkeys don't know the answer but will speak anyways!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 8:16pm On Feb 22, 2023
LegalWolf:
Future thief oooooooooooooooooooooo grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Coward!

QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?



Donkeys don't know the answer but will speak anyways!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 8:14pm On Feb 22, 2023
LegalWolf:
Bruh! You really belittle yhwh if you think TenQ is that smart. Granted yhwh is dumb but TenQ, jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A donkey never disappoints.
Such will throw his prophet under the bus just to be heard speaking


Quran 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

Quran 4:163
Indeed, We have sent revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ as We sent revelation to Noah and the prophets after him. We also sent revelation to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants, ˹as well as˺ Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And to David We gave the Psalms.


Unfortunately, so cowardly predictable to leave the substance of discussion for things entirely at tangent.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 5:28pm On Feb 22, 2023
The Post of today:

Allah in the Quran QUOTING the Jews, said that that the Jews boasted that they killed their Messiah who is Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messenger of Allah

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


Muslims do not understand the gravity of this in the Quran simply because they do NOT know who the MESSIAH is to be. If this is not true, I challenge every Muslim to explain by Islamic literatures the Concept of the Messiah.

Crash Course Summary on the Belief of Jews about the Messiah:
1. The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"
2. There can only be ONE Messiah throughout history
3. The Messiah is a Direct Descendant of king David
4. The Messiah is the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital
5. The Messiah is the physical representative of the presence of God on Earth (Emmanuel)

Summary:
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies

i. It would have been no issue if the Jews boasted that they Killed Jesus, son of Mary as its just one man in a million
ii. It may be accepted if they killed the Messenger of Allah because his message to them is too harsh to them
iii. It would be understandable if Jesus was killed because the Jews didn't know that he was the Messiah


QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?



Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 5:27pm On Feb 22, 2023
Maynman:
You are dumber just like yahweh.
You are LITERALLY quoting the tanakh, you christians call Old Testament.

Who told you the author is DANIEL?

Read slowly.
You said you don't want to read the KJV of the book of Daniel and I referred you to it in the Tanakh! Are you this dumb?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 5:23pm On Feb 22, 2023
Maynman:
Illiterate, tanakh is what Christians call Old Testament.

You are empty!
Guess you are so dumb
TenQ:
Open your Tanakh to the book of Daniel and reference it

Who was Daniel speaking of here ?

Dan 9:25: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Dan 9:26: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
You didn't see this!

SMH!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 4:34pm On Feb 22, 2023
Maynman:
Illiterate, tanakh is what Christians call Old Testament bwahahahah
Can you see how you expose your warped arguments?

Please go away!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 4:18pm On Feb 22, 2023
Maynman:
Who told you the author is DANIEL?
You are literally quoting the tanakh, just use the masoteric text not king james VERSION
Daniel is about Antiochene crisis
All Israelite Kings are messiahs.
Read Slowly.
I guess you've never read a Tanakh before else, you'll know.

Thanks for your visit before you derail the thread. You are free to open your own thread.

Thanks
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 4:16pm On Feb 22, 2023
sonmvayina:
I can't defend absurdities..

Both Christian and Muslim are wrong.

Islam was never a separate religion, it was created by Arabian Christians...The qoran was a lectionary of selected text from both the old and new testament....

I am not a Christian

I am not a Muslim..
So, you have no relevance to this thread. It is not by force to comment on what you don't know anything about.

The Discussion Question is for

TenQ:
Allah in the Quran QUOTING the Jews, said that that the Jews boasted that they killed their Messiah who is Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messenger of Allah

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


Muslims do not understand the gravity of this in the Quran simply because they do NOT know who the MESSIAH is to be. If this is not true, I challenge every Muslim to explain by Islamic literatures the Concept of the Messiah.

Crash Course Summary on the Belief of Jews about the Messiah:
1. The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"
2. There can only be ONE Messiah throughout history
3. The Messiah is a Direct Descendant of king David
4. The Messiah is the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital
5. The Messiah is the physical representative of the presence of God on Earth (Emmanuel)

Summary:
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies

i. It would have been no issue if the Jews boasted that they Killed Jesus, son of Mary as its just one man in a million
ii. It may be accepted if they killed the Messenger of Allah because his message to them is too harsh to them
iii. It would be understandable if Jesus was killed because the Jews didn't know that he was the Messiah


QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?



Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 4:05pm On Feb 22, 2023
Maynman:
Then use the correct text, the tanakh not your kjv again it was talking about Antiochene crisis.

All kings are Messiahs.
Open your Tanakh to the book of Daniel and reference it

Who was Daniel speaking of here ?

Dan 9:25: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Dan 9:26: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 4:01pm On Feb 22, 2023
Maynman:
Here.
Daniel chapters from 7 to 12 are actually talking about the Antiochene crisis that happened around 168 BCE.
I didn't ask you of the Christian version, I asked of of Daniel's
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 3:57pm On Feb 22, 2023
Maynman:
Did samuel POUR OIL on any just jewish man?
Who was Daniel speaking of here

Dan 9:25: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Dan 9:26: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 3:52pm On Feb 22, 2023
sonmvayina:
Yes it has not happened..

They are still waiting....

Jesus is not the Messiah God promised them.
If it had not happened and the Messiah had not yet come, can you please defend Allah's truthful statement in the Qur'an that the Jews CLAIMED that they killed the Messiah


Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.




The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"


If the Qur'an is True AND
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies


QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 3:41pm On Feb 22, 2023
sonmvayina:
They where expecting a king that will raise an Army that will save them from their enemies round them and restore peace.....
This means that the Messiah is not just any one anointed with oil.
Didn't I mention that in my post that the Messiah was supposed to be the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital ?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 3:33pm On Feb 22, 2023
Maynman:
The word “messiah” LITERALLY means anointed with OIL, or anyone in position of authority.

There are many messiahs in the tanakh. Saul, samuel, david etc.
That’s why the jews reject your Iesus chrestus that is only found in the New Testament created by CHRESTIANS.
Who then were the Jews EXPECTING when they can just literally POUR oil on the head of any Jewish man?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 3:04pm On Feb 22, 2023
Maynman:
Messiah means the anointed one, and it has to be anointed with LITERALLY OIL, there are many messiahs in the tanakh.
There are many presidents as there is the President of a country.

I speak of "the Messiah" anointed by God Himself and not Man .

This one

John 1:41:
"He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ."


John 4:25:

"The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things."
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op): 3:01pm On Feb 22, 2023
CodeTemplar:
The urchins among them did it and as you know urchins can be intimidating to obedient people.
Who then are these Jewish urchins?
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine Live: Vladimir Putin's Combative Speech (Photos) by TenQ: 12:11pm On Feb 22, 2023
Kalistus01:
He is not from Nigeria and besides it’s what God shows him and permits him to say he will say… check out the channel on YouTube
I have checked lets wait and see
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine Live: Vladimir Putin's Combative Speech (Photos) by TenQ: 11:53am On Feb 22, 2023
Kalistus01:
You need to check his youtube channel, he has said many prophecies that came to pass…
I know it’s hard for you to believe but this is a man of God Nigerian pastors and prophets copy is prophecy… his name is Dr. Ian Ndlovu, he is a great man of God from Zimbabwe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfvsJYadCGE
Did he say anything about election 2023;in Nigeria?
Christianity Etc › Why Would The Jews Kill Their Messiah by TenQ(op):
Allah in the Quran QUOTING the Jews, said that that the Jews boasted that they killed their Messiah who is Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messenger of Allah

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


Muslims do not understand the gravity of this in the Quran simply because they do NOT know who the MESSIAH is to be. If this is not true, I challenge every Muslim to explain by Islamic literatures the Concept of the Messiah.

Crash Course Summary on the Belief of Jews about the Messiah:
1. The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"
2. There can only be ONE Messiah throughout history
3. The Messiah is a Direct Descendant of king David
4. The Messiah is the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital
5. The Messiah is the physical representative of the presence of God on Earth (Emmanuel)

Summary:
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies

i. It would have been no issue if the Jews boasted that they Killed Jesus, son of Mary as its just one man in a million
ii. It may be accepted if they killed the Messenger of Allah because his message to them is too harsh to them
iii. It would be understandable if Jesus was killed because the Jews didn't know that he was the Messiah


QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?



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