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Kobojunkie:
The reason why John described one temple as being in heaven while he made no such reference of the kind as far as the other is probably because the one is the temple here on earth which God intends to have rebuilt during the resurrection whereas the other, the temple in Heaven is a reference to another temple which is located in heaven.

Kobojunkie:
1. OK. So can you please respond to my question then?

2. Revelations 15 should provide you with the answer you need to this.

Kobojunkie:
Well, can you at least explain why you assume all 4 have to be on earth because they were written as standing around the throne of God given that the throne itself is not on earth?

Kobojunkie:
Not trying to hold brief for the other, but both 144,000 and the multitude stood before God's throne right here on earth — none of them were in heaven at the time described by John in Revelations 7, and yes, at the time of the resurrection, God's throne will be visible from right here on earth. John reveals that He will be worshipped from right here on earth, day and night by the multitude.

MaxInDHouse:
This your childish stuff always amuses me!
If you don't agree with what someone says why not find others who may agree with you?

Ọmọ God's throne in that context simply means God's presence so whether you like it or not the interpretation is that the 144,000 will rule with the Christ in heaven while all their subjects will live on planet earth.

So it's either you BOW to our teaching or go and find those that will tell you what you want to hear, jWs have spoken!

Janosky:
Did your own Bible begin at Revelation 7 verse 9 & ended in verse 11?
No !

Sitting on throne signify rulership? Yes
Did your Bible say the Multitudes were in heaven?
No !

Did your Bible says the Multitude were sitting on the throne?
No!
Jesus said the 144000 were his co-rulers,, Priests &kings, Revelation 5:10 & Revelation 1:5-6.


You desperately cleave to Revelation 7:9-11 to base your doctrine whereas 1 Chronicles 29:23 and Revelation 7:9-11 is strictly about the same throne of God.

King Solomon sitting on God's throne is strong evidence that the Multitudes "standing before the throne" does NOT IN ANYWAY validate your claim about Revelation 7:9-11.

nigeriancritic1:
But she can be shot by any mad shooter while she went shopping. Or her kids school by any disgruntled student whose parents have a gun.

That is even increasing. Wherever a man will live, his feet will take him there.

Amumaigwe:
If she can change her father, then she can change.

EMILO2STAY:
THE ANSWERS TO THAT QUESTION IS AN EMPHATIC NO!!!.

EMILO2STAY:
wrong mr, not every one knows that. check the arguemnts on the thread and see that my reason for commenting in the first place was because someone said that some will go to heaven and some will inherit the earth

EMILO2STAY:
check very well ,I never claimed that 144,000 will go to heaven. my stance on this is that the saved will inherit the new earth

MaxInDHouse:
It simply means God's Presence!

LilMissFavvy:
Must he tempt her? Why not give your wife the car and stop tempting her with a Keke. He knows his wife deserves better, he just wanted to tempt her and disgrace her in public. The unfaithful*faggottt* can't try that with his side chick, he knows his side chick would give him a sound slapp. Nonsense'

MaxInDHouse:
No they're not fictitious unless you just want to create a kind of confusion because you don't know where else to go and find your answers.

In the spirit realms things there aren't like what we have here so for us to know how the spirit world operates Jesus use what we know to explain but it's not as we have here!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ the throne is not literal so it means God's presence just as an angel told Moses that he is standing on holy ground, when Jesus was referred to as LAMB in the same book why not conclude that Jesus was a domestic pet?

EMILO2STAY:
the truth of the matter here is that all who are saved will inherit the renewed earth not heaven. so leave all this throne this throne that

Janosky:
1 Chronicles 29:23, King Solomon sits on God's throne.
Oga,Where is the location of this throne ?

You are desperate to cleave to your TWISTING of holy scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
The symbolic term "throne of God" simply means God's presence.
So both those in heaven and on earth will feel God's presence just as the angels, elders, four living creatures and 144,000 will see God directly in heaven, the great crowd (multitude) will also see God with the eyes of their minds as He answers our prayers instantly! Isaiah 65:24 compare to Psalms 67:6-7

Your agitation over the symbolic term "throne of God" is understandable but there's no sitting on the fence it's either you BOW to our teaching or go for a better performing group that will tell you what you want to hear!

MaxInDHouse:
If you're strongly convinced that this is a lie you don't have to continue bothering your soul all you need to do is find a better performing group that will tell you the truth and start worshiping with them nah!



If an organization of faithful people throughout the earth numbering in millions are lying then try to ignore /shun /avoid them and go for a group that will tell you the truth.

The 144,000 aren't in the same place as the multitude what that scripture mean is that both of them are like one flock one shepherd even though they're not in the same place literally speaking.

Janosky:
The same throne in Revelation 7:9-11 is the same throne in Revelation 14:1-3 and the same throne in 1 Chronicles 29:23.
The location of the throne is not an issue.

The difference:
The location of the Multitude is different from the location of the Harpers/Angels.
Revelation 7:9-10, the Multitudes are NOT in heaven.

In Revelation 7:11, the angels are not on earth.


Revelation 14:1-3 John wrote:


And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne"


The Harpers are in heaven singing a new song before the throne.

MaxInDHouse:
First of all you thought the 144,000 are natural Israelites until i asked you to crosscheck the original at Exodus 1:1-5.
Both of them are in God's presence that's what it means but the four living creatures makes a difference because the four living creatures are in heaven each standing at the right, left, front and back of God's heavenly throne {Ezekiel 1:1-11} only the 144,000 are in the same place with the four living creatures! Revelations 14:3
That's why it's logical to conclude that only the 144,000 will go to heaven.
There is one thing i've noticed about you and it won't help you if you don't change:
You're always trying to find fault with whatever the JWs teaches whereas you can never ever find any group of worshipers as studious as JWs. That's why i keep telling you to go out there and find the meaning from any other religion if their opinion satisfy you continue worshiping with them. Your opinion can't and will never count before JWs unless you're able to present a better performing group with the things you think you know!

Janosky:
Oga, address my question:
Was this question in your post I responded to @8:24pm?

Janosky:
Was this question in your post I responded to @8:24pm?

Janosky:
Oga be honest to yourself.
@ Revelation 7:9-11, did your own Bible say that the Multitudes are in heaven?
You are TWISTING the holy scriptures.

Take note of this DETAIL highlighting the difference between Rev 14:1-3 & Rev 7:9-11.

"And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: [b][colo]and they sung as it were a new song before the throne"

The Harpers are in heavenly dwellers singing before the throne.

Did Revelation 7:9-11 say the voice Multitudes came from heaven?
Answer: No! Not at all.

Did Revelation 7:9-11 say the Multitudes are dwelling in heaven?
Answer: No !

Do angels and spirits in heaven owe their salvation to Jesus Christ?
No,not at all. NEVER!




Let's Use a bible reference to answer your question.
When the sinner in Luke chapter 18 bow his head in prayer to God & the voice of Harpers in heaven giving worship.

Are the Harpers in heaven and the sinner on earth bowing to different God on two different thrones?

No !

TenQ:
Your claim is that ONLY the 144,000 will be in heaven. I have showed you that the Multitudes are ALSO in heaven. That is why you want to redefine heaven as the presence of God.

Here again are the 144,000 before the THRONE

Rev 14:1-3:
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth."

Here is the Multitudes ALSO before the THRONE.

Rev 7:9-11:
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,"

Are these TWO different THRONEs?

Janosky:
You don't have to like JWs or what JWs believe.
But,desist from making FALSE claims , like you just did without proof.

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you that the multitude are on planet earth!
I gave you several verses showing that the throne of God simply means God's presence but you said it's not so that's why i said you can find any other meaning to it because only 144,000 are going to rule with Christ while the rest will live forever on planet earth.
So if you have another meaning take that with you and your fellow worshipers we have our own interpretation and it's God's presence not a literal throne!

TenQ:
Your claim is that ONLY the 144,000 will be in heaven. I have showed you that the Multitudes are ALSO in heaven. That is why you want to redefine heaven as the presence of God.

Here again are the 144,000 before the THRONE

Rev 14:1-3:
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth."

Here is the Multitudes ALSO before the THRONE.

Rev 7:9-11:
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,"

Are these TWO different THRONEs?

MaxInDHouse:
Mr Courz (Oteneaaron) you don't have to start following from thread to thread if you feel TenQ is correct go and worship with him!

MaxInDHouse:
Unlike the great crowd who practiced what he (Jesus) taught the 144,000 were bought from the earth {Revelations 14:3} that's why it's clear that they are not on earth but as for the rest they are on planet earth worshiping God with the little flock {Luke 12:32} the rest are the other sheep belonging to the same Master! John 10:16

It's OK if you're not convinced you can find another interpretation and apply it with your fellow worshipers, that's the understanding of God's organization!

MaxInDHouse:
Well the 144,000 aren't literal Israelites but faithful people who has never been strongly attached to politics (virgins) they are decisive always (males)

The throne here signifies God's presence but the 144,000 will be in the same place with the four living creatures (heaven)

If you feel like having another meaning it's OK that's just the understanding of the entire JW worldwide. Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:
Why is it that you don't want to talk about the account of the original twelve tribes of Israel as found at Exodus 1:1-5?


The throne of God means God's presence. Revelations 22:1-2

So if God is with them {Revelations 21:3 compare to Ezekiel 37:27} then anywhere they're standing whether in heaven or on earth is God's presence! Exodus 3:5

MaxInDHouse:
Why is it that you don't want to talk about the account of the original twelve tribes of Israel as found at Exodus 1:1-5?


The throne of God means God's presence. Revelations 22:1-2

So if God is with them {Revelations 21:3 compare to Ezekiel 37:27} then anywhere they're standing whether in heaven or on earth is God's presence! Exodus 3:5