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Christianity Etc › Re: Allah, A God That Swears By Different Things! by TenQ: 4:36pm On Jan 30, 2023
Ken4Christ:
You just spoke my mind. Meanwhile, AntiChristian is always looking for loopholes in the Bible when his own house is in complete disarray.
There is even a big difference between the Qur'an and the Bible

1. Qur'an is the verbatim words of Allah and dictated word by word to Mohammed through Jubril. Hence we expect perfection and no iota of error.

2. The Bible is not the Verbatim words of Yahweh. It is words of men speaking on behalf of God by His appointment.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for God Almighty to Err. This standard show that Qur'an is a fabricated Tafsir
Family › Re: I Won’t Quit New Marriage, Woman Who Married Daughter’s Boyfriend Vows by TenQ: 3:19pm On Jan 30, 2023
maasoap:
So, why the noise? Jobless and lazyazz everywhere. Instead of facing their wahala of no fuel, no new naira notes
If you have fuel wahala please face it. When we were telling you not to vote in Buhari, you thought we hated you.

We prepared for what we knew will come unfortunately, you didn't.

FYI:
The two people I quoted are my friends on NL
Family › Re: I Won’t Quit New Marriage, Woman Who Married Daughter’s Boyfriend Vows by TenQ: 11:57am On Jan 30, 2023
Islie:
Malama Khadija, a Kano State woman who married her daughter’s boyfriend, has vowed that she will not reverse her decision because of what people are…




https://dailytrust.com/i-wont-quit-new-marriage-woman-who-married-daughters-boyfriend-vows/

Previous Thread
Woman Quits Marriage, Marries Daughter’s Boyfriend In Kano
Ride on Woman.


Mohammed did worse. He married the wife of his own son and then because people were grumbling, he annuled the law of adoption.

LegalWolf and Antichristian: has this woman done evil?

Exchange is no robbery
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah, A God That Swears By Different Things! by TenQ: 11:31am On Jan 30, 2023
AntiChristian:
You didn't answer me!

God was written to have said he can do all things!
And you said He can never swear!
So that means there are some things He can't do like swearing by his creations!
In essence He's limited and not omnipotent!

Allah is able to do all things!
Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, "Be!" and it is!
Qur'an 36:82

Allah has created every moving (living) creature from water. Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills. Verily! Allah is Able to do all things.
Qur'an 24:45
1. Alhaji! When did I tell you the highlighted in YELLOW?

2. Can you by your scripture show just one thing Allah created by "BE"! I hope you won't be stupid enough to mention Adam or Jesus for they weren't created by BE from the Qur'an

3. Qur'an 24:45 is actually saying that living things were not created by "BE"!

This is the problem when the unlettered is trying to copy the Bible!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 8:40pm On Jan 29, 2023
sagenaija:
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TenQ,
The pair Janosky and MaximDHouse, and their type work from their DOGMA not from the Bible. An organization that adds words to the Bible shows itself for what it is - deceptive.

These guys ignore context and every known way of biblical interpretation. What they do is take their dogma and superimpose it on any portion of the Bible.

Everyone can see in those Revelation portions, "IN HEAVEN", and "BEFORE THE LAMB" but if it doesn't fit into their dogma they will refuse any claim that "in heaven" actually means literal heaven or "before the Lamb" actually means face to face with the Lamb.

How TWISTERS of God's word see themselves as the best group on earth leaves one amazed at the depth of degeneracy the heart of man can descend.
Of course.
The god of this world have blinded both their eyes and hearts to the truth of God's words.

Their doctrine and their governing board are their replacement for the true God and Christ
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 6:02pm On Jan 29, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
YES!
Present a better performing group than his own! smiley
Empty barrels make the greatest noise!

Jesus is the one who validates us and we serve Him as to receive His commendation ALONE!

Just as an evidence to show that we serve completely different Jesus, here BELOW is Jesus instruction to us about our service to God

Luk 17:10:
"So likewise you, when you shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."


Of course, agents of Satan must boast about everything.

Have a good night rest but repent!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 5:40pm On Jan 29, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
No matter whoever i choose is my own cup of coffee as long as everything Jesus of Nazareth promised regarding his group is evident in the midst of those with whom we chose him no problem. Go and worship with those chosen by your own Christ! wink
Too bad your Jesus is Micheal the angel.
Crime › Re: Brother And Sister Banished From Imo Community For Allegedly Committing Incest by TenQ: 5:34pm On Jan 29, 2023
BRIMBRAM:
But there are prophets who slept with their daughters in the Bible. It is not new.
I feel like calling you a misguided fool but I won't.
Your mentor doesn't even know who a prophet is and thus he thinks anyone including Pharaoh, Lot, Alexander etc are prophets.

If the leader is confused, how much more the followers.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 5:23pm On Jan 29, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Sorry i choose my own!
Many are awaiting another Christ but i chose Jesus of Nazareth as Christ.
So go worship with your fellow worshipers chosen by your Christ! wink
You and I know that you chose an angel Michael as your own Jesus of Nazareth. It doesn't change anything though as you are free to choose even your governor as him.

Too bad for you
Business › Re: Banks To Pay ₦‎1 Million Fine Daily Over Failure To Collect New Naira Notes by TenQ: 12:51pm On Jan 29, 2023
Can you remember our last conversation?

somehow:
Stop peddling lies
Did you bother to read the article at all?
If new notes aren't available, why then is CBN fining them?
Operators of Commercial Banks in the country have countered the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) over claims that the commercial banks have enough naira notes in their kitty but hoarding them.


https://www.nairaland.com/7543853/banks-blame-cbn-scarcity-naira#120431106
Christianity Etc › Re: Your Experience The First Time You Preached The Gospel by TenQ: 11:08am On Jan 29, 2023
Miyah1:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders, how did you feel the first time you preach the gospel. As for me I finally did it yesterday in a bus on my way to ibadan

It was very short and i was super nervous but, God did it through me, thank you jesus


OAM4J
Mynd44
I felt extremely nervous. The person was even a Muslim. He gave his life to Christ and I felt an incredible joy that evening. I can't even remember what I said to him.

At the same time, I feel that the Church should do more in teaching Christians the Art of Evangelizing the unsaved. The message in summary is simple

PART ONE: Explanation of the Gospel
1. God is Holy and cannot condone sin
2. All humans are sinners: it is in our blood to sin
3. The recompense or reward for sin is eternal damnation from God's presence called the second death
4. God so loved the world that He provided a SOLUTION to the problem of our sinful nature: a sacrificial Lamb (Jesus Christ) to be our Scapegoat.
5. Anyone who Trusts (have Faith) in God's SOLUTION and Live in Obedience to His Law is SAVED and has his name written in the Book of Life and He is Sealed with God's Holy Spirit.
6. Anyone who rejects the solution of God is condemned already.


PART TWO: Invitation to God's Household
1. Ask if the person understand the message
2. Respond to Questions or clarify the given message
3. Ask if the person is willing to Commit himself to
a. Trusting the Solution of God (Jesus as the scapegoat on the cross)
b. Repent and begin to Live under the Rule of Christ


PART THREE: Formal Commitment
1. Let the person use his own mouth to commit to
a. Trusting the Solution of God (Jesus as the scapegoat on the cross) for Salvation
b. Repent and begin to Live under the Rule of Christ


PART FOUR: Encouragement
Explain that
1. Assurance of Salvation is through God's word as God is faithful
2. The person may feel clean, light and full of joy: this is the Holy Spirit bearing him witness that such is now a child of God
3. We are saved to Serve God in
a. Loving God and our Neighbour
b. Serving God with our Spiritual Gifts and Talents
c. Winning other Souls for Christ
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 10:15am On Jan 29, 2023
Janosky:
The issue with you is your love for arguments and tantrums when Bible truth is shown to you. grin grin grin

Revelation 4:1-3,6,10 CURES YOUR TANTRUMS.
. grin grin.
The 24 elders are spirits in heaven.
Therefore, Isaiah 66:1-2 very correct, we on earth are ,as it were, "standing before God's throne".

Revelation 4:1-3,6,10 ,Oga read your Bible.
Note the highlighted points therein.
1After this I looked and saw a door standing open in heaven
. And the voice I had previously heard speak to me like a trumpet was saying, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after these things.”

2At once I was in the Spirit, and I saw a throne standing in heaven, with someone seated on it. 3The One seated there looked like jasper and carnelian, and a rainbow that gleamed like an emerald encircled the throne. 4Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and on these thrones sat twenty-four elders dressed in white, with golden crowns on their heads.


5From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder. Before the throne burned seven torches of fire. These are the seven Spirits of God. 6And before the throne was something like a sea of glass, as clear as crystal.


In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, covered with eyes in front and back.

10the twenty-four elders fall down before the One seated on the throne, and they worship Him who lives forever and ever.
They cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
Why are you angry?
I was only concurring with your position. According to you, ..The throne symbolises the presence of God and therefore
...And everyone ALSO is standing beside the four BEASTS and the 24 Elders and before the THRONE!

Why are you angry? I'm only restating the implication of your position
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah, A God That Swears By Different Things! by TenQ: 8:11am On Jan 29, 2023
AntiChristian:
You said anything God created is beneath Him yet you believe you God the son became man whom he's beneath? What a contradiction!

It's not beneath God to have son or to have his son killed by humans!

Had Allah willed to take a son (or offspring or children), He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He created. But glory be to Him! (He is above such things). He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible.
Qu'ran 39:4
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On the issue of swearing, you asked a question and it has been answered. God cannot swear by His creation as swearing is done with what is great or comparable to oneself.

The Fig, Olive, Moon etc are even beneath me as a human.

Are you saying Allah has a limitation as he cannot enter his "creation"?

You've been dodging this question:
Can Allah have a son without a consort/girlfriend?

Yahweh could make Mary pregnant without a Boyfriend!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 8:05am On Jan 29, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
There are many Christs {Matthew 24:24} and i have chosen mine go and choose yours! wink
I knew it: You chose your own Christ which is unfortunate.

The Lord Jesus Christ chose me Himself for Himself. It's a pity we are different in that respect.

2Ths 2:13:
"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brothers beloved of the Lord, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"
Politics › Re: Ukraine President Zelensky Appoints Oby Ezekwesili As Ambassador by TenQ: 12:35am On Jan 29, 2023
Horokrox:
Ukraine 🇺🇦 is standing "strong" only through the Lifeline of arms supplies from the 🇺🇸USA led NATO alliance and morever a genetically DEFORMED IDIOT 🤡 like you actually believes that 🇺🇦 Ukraine would be the same by the end of this year🤦🏽‍♂️
It is part of war to harness the resources of your nation built before war time in terms of
1. Human Resources
2. Technical Resources
3. Intelligence Resource
4. Financial Resources
5. Military Resources

Both Ukraine and Russia is tapping into their resources. Russia has tapped into Iran, North Korea, Belarus and China.

Why Shouldn't Ukraine also tap into Europe and NATO?.


I wish you could tell me what Ukraine would have gained if she did exactly what she did when Cremia was annexed by Russia in 2014

Your candid advice to Ukraine is that they should let Russia take whatever they want and leave them in peace: isn't it?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 12:26am On Jan 29, 2023
Janosky:
Everyone on earth,as it were, are "standing before God's throne".

A throne is always on elevated platform above all other objects, and seats or persons around it, that's the imagery Isaiah 66:1-2.

Revelation 7:9-10 says the Multitude are "of all nations, kindred and languages."

Is this truth not simple and straightforward for your grasp? grin
...And everyone is standing beside the four BEASTS and the 24 Elders and before the THRONE!

I shake my head in amazement : what has Satan given you to eat!?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 12:24am On Jan 29, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Is that not why i told you to leave those in Satan's cage so you can go and worship with those in your god's cage? cheesy
SMH!
Go find Christ while He's still near!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 7:18pm On Jan 28, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Why not go and associate with those who are not brainwashed?
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have spoken so it's either you take it or leave it there's no force in faith! smiley
When people twist the clear scripture to say what humans will to say, we can at best show them the scripture even when we know that they wouldn't listen because they are already in the cage of Satan!
Romance › Re: What Scares You The Most About Falling In Love? by TenQ: 6:17pm On Jan 28, 2023
ibilawani:
What is your greatest fear about love? Is it commitment, is it trust, is it infidelity or physical abuse? Or are you confident about relationships?
Please I will like to know.

For me itnis infidelity. I don't want to be cheated on.
What about you?
There is NOTHING Like Falling in Love: what exist is Growing Affection into LOVE.

Love is an UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE of a Person and the WILLINGNESS to SACRIFICE ALL PERSONAL COMFORT for the all-round UPLIFTMENT and GREATNESS of the Person concerned.
Science/Technology › Re: Earth Receives Signal From Galaxy 9 Billion Light Years Away ( Pics) by TenQ: 6:10pm On Jan 28, 2023
Omahleigh:
It's the way you handpick what to believe and what to discard for me. This same science is what tells you the time, tells you the weather, tells you your heart rate, tells you how to navigate when driving and helps you through your daily life! You trust it with your life when it dispenses cash from an ATM to the point that you don't even bother counting the money. Even the phone you used to type this crap is a testament to the brilliance and reliability of science.

But when that same science on who's principles man has been able to achieve god-like feats tells you that Dinosaurs roamed this earth 65 million years ago, or that carbon dating can accurately predict objects that are billions of years old, your stupid ass suddenly becomes a smart ass because one fictional story book written by archaic men who thought that the earth was flat tells you that you haven't been here that long.

Religion is truly for small-minded simpletons, this is why Africa is the way it is. A continent overcrowded with stupid people!
Why do many believe that Christianity is anti-science?
Christianity Etc › Re: What is Seventh-day Adventism, And What Do Seventh-Day Adventists Believe? by TenQ: 5:57pm On Jan 28, 2023
OLAADEGBU:
SDA Related Websites can be explored at: http://ow.ly/wY2O50Mx2tl
\I understand that within the SDA, there are many flavours of beliefs but the central thing has to do with the adherence of Saturday as the Sabbath and the belief that the Catholic Church is EVIL.

Unlike the JW, many of them seem to be Born Again and Love the Lord Jesus. That is sufficient for me. I used to seriously attack the Catholic Church but I know that despite the controversial doctrine of the elevation of Mary and the "Saints", some of them will make heaven .

I choose only to guide such except their doctrine is that which lead to death (like that of the Mormon, JW, BCS etc). The Body of Christ has so much differences and flavours that heaven must be amused with us.

Shalom Bro
Christianity Etc › Re: Sex And Fasting by TenQ: 5:34pm On Jan 28, 2023
Mathiasa:
I salute everyone in the house.
I have this issue with my wife with regards sex while fasting, I'm a Catholic while my wife attends redeem, we have our understanding with regards church so that's not an issue. We go to my church more often but atend her's sometimes. But I don't have issue with her taking part in their program. We got married last year.
The problem now is that redeem are having I think 51 days of fasting and she is partaking in it and now asking me not to have sex until after the fasting. I told her that after their own fasting, we the Catholic are starting ours for 40days.
I asked her does that mean no sex for almost 3 months?
I have told her my mind, it's either we make love after she's done fasting everyday or she doesn't fast at all. I don't want to go and look outside when I have a wife I love at home.
Pls my people in the house any advice?
Fasting without sex in marriage MUST be JOINTLY agreed upon for it to hold.

1 Corinthians 7:5
Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.


Key phrases
1. Do not deprive one another: is someone feeling deprived?
2. Except by Agreement: do you both have an agreement about not having sex?
3. For a limited Time: is the period of agreement short?


Show your wife this scripture and its interpretation
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah, A God That Swears By Different Things! by TenQ: 4:59pm On Jan 28, 2023
AntiChristian:
Because He's capable of doing all things!

Can you tell us why you believe God can't swear by the things He created? Any Bible verse?
Hebrew 6: 13-16
13For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. 15And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.


Anything God created is BENEATH Him, therefore unlike Allah, God can ONLY swear by Himself!
So you can see that Yahweh never swears by anything other than by Himself: but Allah does, showing that Allah is just Al-LAH


You've been dodging this question:
Can Allah have a son without a consort/girlfriend?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 4:22pm On Jan 28, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I will like others to learn from the highlighted!

In the beginning God created Adam and Eve but this two as a couple needs their privacy so God doesn't pay attention to them always after all they've been given FREEWILL that's why God could ask Cain "where is your brother?" {Genesis 4:9} after man's rebellion God's attention was taken away from mankind in general because their deeds saddens Him each day {Genesis 6:5-6} our happy God {1Timothy 1:11} can't withstand the evil done by humans to their neighbours {Habakkuk 1:13} that's why He empowered some angels with spiritual eyes all over their bodies {Ezekiel 10:12} these are the ones reporting to Him when a person decides to make a U-turn and start doing what is good, so when people are doing evil things don't think my God is present there it's only His eyes (angels serving as investigators) that are moving everywhere to report back to Him when man's evil deeds is getting out of hand! Genesis 18:20-21


But when all evildoers has been exterminated God will be present both in heaven with Jesus and his 144,000 co-rulers as well as on earth with the great crowd worshiping Him night and day.
As at that time if anyone choose to be wicked our God will permit him or her to taste life in Paradise for just a hundred years and they will die as youths! Isaiah 65:20

God's throne in that context means God's PRESENCE! smiley
I know that you are completely brainwashed: that was why the question was phrased as such, knowing that you will go tangent as usual.
Politics › Re: Ukraine President Zelensky Appoints Oby Ezekwesili As Ambassador by TenQ: 4:12pm On Jan 28, 2023
DaddyFreeze2020:
She should advise the man to stop fighting with Putin
If Zelensky stop fighting Putin,
1. Will Putin Withdraw his army from Ukraine?
2. Will Putin Return Ukrainian land back to them?
3. Will Putin Return ALL the Sea Ports of Ukraine back to them?
4. Will Ukraine become an independent Nation
5. Will Putin restore Crimea back to Ukraine?


If none of these will happen, not everyone is a coward.

Almost a full year now, and the so-called "Comedian" is still STANDING strong!

May your Big Enemy fall down before you like Goliath before David: AMEN!
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah, A God That Swears By Different Things! by TenQ: 3:31pm On Jan 28, 2023
FxMasterz:
This particular verse tells us Allah's location. If Allah were to be in heaven, then, he would have said, 'I swear by the angels who take down the revelation',- taking it down from heaven to earth (if he would at all swear by angels), but instead:

"Then I swear by the angels who bring down the revelation," Quran 77:5

If the 'down' where the revelation was brought is not heaven but earth, then, Allah is on earth. Hahahaha!

The demon called allah is exposed.

CC: TenQ
The deity LAH was upgraded by Muhammad to Al-LAH and then to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Indeed Al_Lah is the Best of the deceivers
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 3:29pm On Jan 28, 2023
Kobojunkie:
This is what God said through His prophet. undecided
Now, try to picture what it could mean for it to be possible to be standing right here on earth and be in front of the throne of God's in Heaven. undecided
Don't twist scriptures my dear!
Isaiah 66 vs 1 - 2 is still saying the same thing: the THRONE of God is in Heaven not here on earth.

All the references to the throne of God in His temple are in heaven.

As a reference again,


Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."



Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"


Speaking about the New Jerusalem on earth

Rev 21:22:
"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."


No temple here
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 3:25pm On Jan 28, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ for now God's presence is not everywhere!
It's after all evildoers are exterminated that Jehovah will be present everywhere.

As for your opinion it doesn't count on this matter if you don't agree with JWs go and find a better performing group to TEACH you what you want to hear! 2Timothy 4:3-4 wink
I can understand that your god's prescience is not everywhere. That is why I asked you the very simple question

Is the throne of God in Heaven or On Earth According to Rev 4 and Rev 16?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by TenQ: 3:19pm On Jan 28, 2023
FxMasterz:
See how Mohammed was foolishly promoting himself. How can anyone take this person's testimony as authentic.

'Allah will say to me; then I will go and do this and do that; and Allah would then tell me..." Blah blah blah.

The self promotion is too obvious. How can any sane person take such for a prophet?
Unfortunately for Muslims, Allah the best Deceiver has them already swindled.

Muslims desperately hope that they can persuade God to let them into His paradise if they claim that they have worshipped Him alone.

Muslims will do everything to defend the deputy Allah aka Qutham, aka Mohammed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 9:17am On Jan 28, 2023
Kobojunkie:
1. Most every reference to the heavenly temple has it referenced as the temple in heaven meaning the other references that do not include such specification are more than likely to the other temple where is down here on earth. undecided

2. A temple surrounded by 4 beasts, 24 elders, and the 144,000 and the multitudes? Where is this written? undecided
Not temple but throne in the temple
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 7:24am On Jan 28, 2023
Kobojunkie:
I believe it is indeed very wrong to only pick verses that seem to support your idea while abandoning those that prove otherwise...

Again, John never said that. You are the one assuming that every mention of the word temple in the book of Revelation is a reference to the temple in heaven when instead, John makes a concerted effort to set apart the temple in Heaven from the other references to a temple in his book. For example, the first couple of references to the temple in Revelation 11 does not mention them as being in heaven. However, later on in the chapter, John introduces the temple in heaven, as though a different temple from the one he had been caused to measure earlier on in that same chapter. undecided
The temple written of above is definitely not in Heaven. I do hope you can see this. undecided
This is from the same chapter indicating that this particular temple is in heaven. undecided

The reference to the temple in Revelations 7 does not in fact indicate that the temple in question is in heaven, so it is wrong to assume that it is simply because some verses reference to a temple of God in heaven. undecided
The temple in Rev 11 is definitely on earth before the end of the tribulation period. I am sure you'll agree with me that this temple is NOT the one surrounded by the Four BEASTS, the 24 Elders, the 144,000 and the Multitudes. If you think it is, be my guest by proving it.

All the references to the throne of God in His temple are in heaven.

As a reference again,


Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."



Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"


Speaking about the New Jerusalem on earth

Rev 21:22:
"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."


No temple here
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 7:12am On Jan 28, 2023
Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid I don't follow. undecided

2. John never said that. You are the one assuming that every mention of the word temple in the book of Revelation is a reference to the temple in heaven when instead, John makes a concerted effort to set apart the temple in Heaven from the other references to a temple in his book. For example, the first couple of references to the temple in Revelation 11 does not mention them as being in heaven. However, later on in the chapter, John introduces the temple in heaven, as though a different temple from the one he had been caused to measure earlier on in that same chapter. undecided
I think by the scriptures I've made my case.

The new Jerusalem contain no temple whatsoever. All the references to the throne of God in His temple are in heaven.

As a reference again,


Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."



Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"


Speaking about the New Jerusalem on earth

Rev 21:22:
"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."


No temple sir

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