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LegalWolf:
I’ve always known you to be a potential thief and the one who is would inherit the legacies of Lawrence Aninih. But the only issue is you’ll be caught and handed earlier because you’re intellectually deficient. And that’s the joy!

Is this the first cc’ing you? Even in some of your old posts, I cc’d you. But anyways let go back to our interesting conversation

You and your red velvet stealing prophet Mohammed aka Qutham are THIEVES!

When will you conclude your apprenticeship with Mohammed?

You should pass out with flying colours in the art of
1. Coveting and taking the wives of your sons, friends and relations
2. Having sex with 6-7 year old girls
3. Rape after Murdering people's husband's in the name of Allah
4. Filthy habits of taking your bath in the dirtiest stinking water available
5. Homosexuality, other men will kiss your unclothed body
6. Adultery with your wives house maids
7. Insanity after blaming black magic.

I'm sure you are ALREADY performing well in most of these attributes of your esteemed prophet!

LegalWolf:
Lol, again you did not answer my question. All I could gather is that you disagree that kun fayakun is an Islamic. It is your business where YOU THINK it is gotten and not mine.

That said, the simple questions were

1. Please tell us where Kun fayakun (what you know we are familiar with) was used in our sources outside the context of creating/creation?

2. Is “Let there be light and there was light” a command capable of being violated? Assuming, all the commands reported genesis 1 were made and none of it come to fruition, is your god still god?

Unfortunately
1. Except you will prove me wrong, Allah NEVER created ANYTHING by "kun fayakun" or "BE."

Is it true that Adam was created from Mud?
AND
Is it true that Issa was Created by a Man called Jubril blowing into Mary's Vagina2

I don't know any other reference in the Qur'an other than what you Muslims report.

2. No iota of God's Command can go forth without being accomplished.
Violations of Commands to God's creatures given FREEWILL come with INFINITE consequences.

Are you implying that there are some commands of Allah that are powerless?

LegalWolf:
Very simple questions. You don’t need to run. No one is chasing you.

Again answer my Question

Is kufayakun NOT the Command (not commandments) of God?

You assume that God's words is WEAK when He is not creating: isn't it?

What Allah says to the Angels "bow down to Adam" was that his will or NOT?

LegalWolf:
LOL! This part has to be broken down into two. Actually, I don’t even need to spend anytime on the second because it shows your “brilliance”. But let us start with one



Did Q 19:71 say all Muslims will come to (in fact, I’ll use your interpretation of enter) the fire or all humanity?

Just a simple yes or No

YES, All Muslims with those who are not cautious of Allah will be in hell fire

Now answer mine!

Quran 19:72
Then, We will save those who were cautious of Us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees

1. What does the "then" in Vs 73 mean
2. Who is Allah refering to as "who were cautious of Us"?
3. If the harm doers are left in the fire, who are the ones REMOVED from the fire?

LegalWolf:
Are you this “intelligent” ? So anytime I say “please answer my question “, that invariably means I copied you?!

I’m dead! And stray humans like advocatejare look up you. And FxMasterz think you have a functional brain?

Only a dumb fool doesn't know what
"Cc: TenQ" means but uses them anywai

LegalWolf:
Salaam Akhi - Lukuluku69

This potential thief called TenQ does not even understand what Kun fayakun is, thinking that it is a commandment like others.

I’ve explained to him that it is ONLY used in the context of creation and it is incapable of being violated. Assuming the bible is true, kun fayakun can be likened to “let there be light” and there was light in Genesis 1:4. Then I asked him, is such commandment capably of being violated?

To this day, he has avoided the question like a plague. Lol!




So TenQ, at least we all agree that Kunfayakun is an Islamic concept. So tell us, I beseech thee, where it was used in the Quran or Hadith (weak, strong or even fabricated😂) outside the context of creation/creating ?

Lol

1. Kufayakun is NOT an Islamic concept. It was stolen from the Torah.

Gen 1:3:
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

2. The fact that I used kufayakun is only to resonate with what you already know in Islam
3. Is kufayakun NOT the Command (not commandments) of God?

You assume that God's words is WEAK when He is not creating: isn't it?

What Allah says to the Angels "bow down to Adam" was that his will or NOT?

Sorry for calling you Mr Lukeman!

Lukuluku69:
There are hundreds of verses in the Glorious Quran that guarantee Paradise for THE BELIEVING man and women. I won't quote them for I know you must have come across them a number of times while reading the Quran. The Quran says it is not their eyes that are blind but their hearts and in their heart is a disease .

As for my going against Allah's command, well I am human and can err and once I recognize my folly, I can always retrace my steps and way and turn (Taubah) to my Maker in repentance. He knows my heart and see thru everything. He is Ar- Gafur :The Forgiving and He is The Merciful, He shows Mercy.

He doesn't need to kill an innocent and an unwilling man to forgive my erring ways like your Jehovah. And talking about Paradise, I also know that in your perusals of Islamic Texts, you must have come across the Companions that The Prophets said will enter Paradise while here an this Terra Firma but like I said, and like a Bonobo you just want to keep jumping from one issues to another on stuff you have little understanding of.

And my name is not spelt Lukeman (again it shows your lack of understanding of many things you talk about?

Really many verses?

Are you concluding that the Destiny of God in Islam is wrong?

That was the object of the Question:
I have just five minutes left to live: what do I do to inherit paradise?


There was no assurance, no guarantee, NOTHING except that I will still have to pay for my deeds and omissions!

Are you saying that humans are permitted to violate the Command "BE" or "kun faya kun" of God?

You don't understand the implication at all. SIN is the CHALLENGE against and VIOLATION of God's Sovereignty!

Humans are infinitely below the size of Viruses when compared with the relative literal size of God. You think such violations don't have serious consequences?

Are you admitting is that the Command "BE" or "kun faya kun" of God CAN be violated by MAN or JINN without consequences?

NairalandMD:
Any smart and intelligent human should have known the answer already

But Muslims refused to give an answer because of FEAR of its implications!

Do you think you have NEVER been guilty (SIN) of committing the violation against the Command "BE" or "kun faya kun" of God?


Rom 3:23:
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"


WHAT WILL SAVE YOU FROM THE CONSEQUENCE OF THE VIOLATION AGAINST THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD?

Or the violation against God's Sovereignty doesn't have any CONSEQUENCE?

Lukuluku69:
Continue to live in your delusions.

On Judgement Day, be ready to account for your actions and inactions.

On a serious note Mr Lukeman,
You are the one who should be worried about the last day.
1. Allah gives you Muslims no guarantee (if there is, show me how)
2. Mohammed himself says he has no guarantee

Yet you Muslims have gone to fabricate tonnes of conflicting Hadiths to show how you'll be in paradise!

Your paradise is completely different from that of Jesus

1. Jesus say: no marriage in paradise
In yours, Allah will even marry you off to transparent perpetual virgins
2. In the Paradise of Jesus: there is lots of Worship and Praise.
In yours, there is Sex, Booze and sleeping on green carpet with pillows
3. In the Paradise of Jesus: there is no mixup of who God is.
In yours, Muslims are confused about Allah (,you even Rejected Allah to be satan)

LegalWolf:
I overlooked the allegation of copying in the first post, thinking yhwh has sent delusions to you and it was a mistake. Please point to where I copied you?

You copied me in your Last paragraph in your post

https://www.nairaland.com/7530442/gospel-explained-muslims/2#120604473

Screenshot attached

You specifically said:

"Please answer my Questions
Cc: TenQ"

LegalWolf:
I think my very good friend AntiChristian has done justice to that topic. So it meaningless repeating what he has said.

But what he didn’t say which I am sure of is that: accepting that blood of Jesus is a precondition to salvation (a sacrifice as many would say) is a senseless proposition that no sane human with a functional brain should preach.

I hesitate to answer this question as it is outside the scope of the Topic. But anyways, those are my answers.

And once more, thank you for technically agreeing that the Bible is an imperfect book. Maybe the writers were not genuinely inspired after all. Like the perfect of the example FxMasterz gave (using several reports of media outlets that reported the death of Shekau), like our junk journalist, they may be writing based on the figment of their imagination.

They may even be junk journalist of the period. I love this kind of reasoning 😎😎😎 Let me go see a movie and respond to other questions when I have time

If you feel Antichristian 's response based on Islamic Taqqiya is perfect for you, then you should answer these lie exposing questions I asked.

THE OBJECTION and QUESTION
I hope this is not taqiyya as usual?
Why?
1. Allah Guarantees All Muslims to Enter the Fire
Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in Hell Fire.
Here is the Arabic if you do not like the translation above
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا

Quran 19:72
Then, We will save those who were cautious of Us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees

After ALL you Muslims enter the Fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the good Muslims and leave others in the Fire

2. Mohammed says that even Babies (who are supposed to be Muslims by Birth can go to Hell)
a. Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6435:
Narrated Aisha:
A child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?
b. Sahih Muslim 2662c : Book 46, Hadith 47
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:

Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

When Aisha expresses her belief and expectation of happiness for the child that died, Muhammad disagrees and instead states that God has created some people for Hell. Obviously, this includes children, because that is the topic of the conversation.

With THIs, HOW CAN YOU CLAIM TO KNOW HOW TO BE SAVED?


Finally, LegalWolf
Have you stopped believing in Allah's DESTINY?

AntiChristian:
He never stopped being an Angel.
In addition, Angels don't disobey the commands of Allah! They do exactly what they are commanded.

I appreciate your Honest response!

Others of your kind have been painfully elusive.

If Mary didn't see an Angel but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's under?

LegalWolf:
“Animal talk don start again pararara…!!! “ 💃🏽

It is a simple question based on your Qur'an.

Allah permitted Jubril the Angel to appear as a perfect man to Mary.

The Question is:
Did Jubril stop being an Angel (momentarily)?

It is a simple question (see how all of you are sweating over it).

NairalandMD:
According to the book of genesis, when females got plenty on the face of earth, angel rebels in heaven came down to earth and take them as wife's.
that's where the demi-gods originated from, like the gods of egypt folklore, there offspring had the strength and power of their celestial fathers but physicue of a human.

Angels can appear as whatsoever form they wish.
If Angels appeared to humans in their real form nobody would even wait to listen to whatever it's got to say 😄

I think my question was simple, clear and specific.

When Jubril appeared as a man to Mary: did he stop being an Angel,?

drlateef:
Of course I provided answer for you. And because I know you will claim that that is the reason you believe your god called jesus came down as human. If Jubril could come down as human, then your god could also come down as human. Is that not the logic behind your needless questions?

When Jubril became a man by the permission of Allah, did he stop being Angel Jubri?

The answer could be
Yes, he stopped being Jubril or
No, he didn't stop being Jubril


What is your answer?

It is a pity salvation is not in Islam, that is why you found no solution for me. I do however appreciate your truthfulness, at least you didn't pretend there was a solution for a quarter to death sinner

Lukuluku69:
Bros, if you have used your entire life not knowing who created you, or even acknowledge God as your Creator but choose to go against His commandments, spread mischief on Earth then would it be too much to ask that you give accounts? Would it be too much of a ask? Would it be too much of a ask to give Justice to those whom you deny Justice to while you are living that miserable life of yours?

Did Jesus not tell you that a man shall give accounts even for the idle words he uttered? Did he not tell the one who questioned him about Salvation to acknowledge God and keep His commandments?

So, because you are dying your past actions should be forgiven you because you believe that an innocent man died for your Sins?

Since you mentioned Jesus, let me give you the exact situation in the Bible.

A Thief was nailed to the cross and has just a short time to live. He ASKED Jesus for His salvation and he received an INSTANT answer of a guarantee for paradise.

Luk 23:39-43:
"And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If you be Christ, save yourself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Do not you fear God, seeing you are in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man has done nothing amiss. And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom. And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, To day shall you be with me in paradise."

Salvation in Christ is SIMPLE


There are just TWO requirementd of Salvation? Here it is again
1. Believing and Accepting the SOLUTION of God for You (the Sacrifice made by God on your behalf)
This is what is called Accepting Jesus as SAVIOUR -FAITH
2. Repentance from SIN and TURNING AWAY from Sin according to the Rules of the Messiah
This is what is called Accepting Jesus as LORD - REPENTANCE

This is why you hear Christians ask the Question:
Have you accepted Jesus as your LORD and SAVIOUR?

The Thief on the cross REPENTED,(Lordship of Christ) and RECOGNISED Jesus as his SALVATION (Jesus as Saviour)

Eph 2:8-10:
"For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them."

LegalWolf:
Okay now I understand what you mean by 'teach'. In my mind, you have not substituted , but translated the word 'Mutah' to mean 'Prostitution'. Am I correct, in that do you reckon 'mutah' and 'prostitution' are the same thing. Like yehoshua and jesus are the same?

Prostitution is sexual favour exchanged for money on a temporal basis.

You are the Muslim:
What then is mutah in Islam?

Please No lies and no evasive displays

Lukuluku69:
If you don't want to go to Hell, worship non other than the Creator of The Heavens and the Earth and all that lies in between, keep His Commandments and be good to the Creature. Very simple something.

That is salvation for you.

So it was before and so it is now.

I'm not sure you understood my question.
I am about dying (I have just about 5 minute to live ) and I don't want to go to hell, is there no security in Islam?
How can I be saved in Islam?

lhordspy:
These days everyone feels like they are something worthy of an opinion. Like they truly have a voice. Celebrities that are worthl*ss just as their opinion.

Attacking APC that only the presidential candidate and governors are the only ones lending their voices and fighting to stop the issue on ground even going against their party leader, the president on sit; in the process. Where all other party candidates are either supporting the suffering or gone dumb entirely on the issue.

France and UK battling inflation. Egg is scarce in UK, shortage of baby-food in US, Argentina inflation rate is nearing 100% , Estonia, Germany scrambling due to shortage of gas. Columbia, Venezuela, Ecuador are fighting pre-covid survival due to high cost of living. Libya is in turmoil, Ukrainians don't even have a country to call theirs.

Yet our Bunch of irrelevant political tools disguising as yeyebrities are using the country's situation to invoke cheap attention.

But they are never at fault. It is People like the OP that gives credence and attach importance to what clowns like this failed comedian Mr macaroni or forgotten musicians like Psquare brothers says, is the culprit here. People who lacks basic knowledge on how to run even the commonest POS business will always want to chase-clout by criticising those running one of the biggest country in Africa.

Nonsense and ingredient.
Nigeria will overcome this and all you haters will be put to shame.

Has he spoken untruth about APC or he spoke the truth?

Lukuluku69:
Accept Allah as your Lord and Prophet Muhammad as a Messenger of Allah.

Then you can die but you will be questioned for actions and inactions while here on Earth.

To forgive or to punish rest solely on Allah.

So, let us turn tyhe Table, what would you as a Christian tell anyone with Five minutes to live?

Accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour? No be so? That he died for something he was reluctant to die for?

Check the highlight in YELLOW
Are you implying that my Acceptance of Allah as Lord and declaration that Mohammed is his prophet is of no avail to my salvation?
Are you also implying that my Acceptance of Allah as Lord and declaration that Mohammed is his prophet has no effect on forgiveness of my sin?

I'm not sure you understood my question.
I am about dying and I don't want to go to hell, is there no security in Islam?

drlateef:
Jubril is an Angel, not God Almighty. Jubril is a messenger, messengers can appear in various forms as decreed by God Almighty. But God almighty cannot come down to earth to be killed by humans that He created. He can do everything but He will not yo below the dignity of His majesty. Imagine if Jesus was god and he was killed, who was in charge of the whole creation at that point that the god died?

1. The Question says Jubril was an Angel and never insinuated that Jubril was Allah
2. The Question says according to the Quran, Jubril appeared as a Man
3. The Question never mentioned anything about he Almighty God coming down or not
4. The Question was not remotlely connected to Gods power

The Question was
The Qur'an says:
Qur'an 19:18
Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed.

The Question again!
When Jubril came to Mary as a Man (according to the Quran), did he STOP being an Angel?

The Question was direct and extremely simple!

Moh247:
Angel are not men or women as they don't reproduce and it's of no use grouping them based on gender.. angels are grouped based on functions and hierarchy

Thats not the Question

The Qur'an says:
Qur'an 19:17
Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed.

The Question again!

When Jubril came to Mary as a Man, did he STOP being an Angel?

I have discovered that to a very large extent, Islam cannot stand scrutiny. Hence I bring this Question to Muslims.

When Jubril came to Mary as a Man, did he stop being an Angel?


The Qur'an says:
Qur'an 19:18
Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed.

The Question again!


When Jubril came to Mary as a Man, did he stop being an Angel?



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LegalWolf:
Hahahahah simple!

The conversation is OVER! There is nothing more to say




This point is irrelevant. Utter nonsense!



LOL! TenQ you have no argument. You have no point. My logic is confirmed that BLOOD is a requirement for forgiveness. Your yhwh doesn’t care whether you bow down in true repentance or not. It is the blood that he is interested in MUCH more than anything.



Hahahaha Lol! Again. Thank you so much for telling us what we know - that yhwh cannot forgive without shedding blood. If you like live as holy as you can, be as faithful to his laws as you can, the moment you don’t believe in that blood and human sacrifice for atonement, you’re damned.


Again Mr. TenQ for your honest conversation. I’ve gotten what I want from part one. Is there a need to move to part 2?

PS: I think the point is pretty clear to an objective mind. For a right thinking human. Not an imbec.ile. The Christian doctrine of god requires human sacrifice to forgive sins, notwithstanding anything to the contrary.

Their doctrine teaches them to that their god really needs blood to forgive. I can’t imagine myself recognizing such an assumed doctrine of a deity worthy of considering. And I know no reasonable human will.

Again thank you for your time TenQ. Muslims understand the “gospel” very well now. Again, is there a need to proceed to part 2?

You never cease to amuse me!
After saying nothing of worth, you arrived at a delusion!?

SMH!

Since you are done, can I ask you one question?

LegalWolf,
If I have just 5 minutes more to live on this earth, and I want to be SAVED, how will you help me attain salvation by ISLAM?

LegalWolf:
Lol, the topic is “the Gospels explained for Muslims”, isn’t it?

So why digressing on your own post? Lol 😂

PS: this is what happens when we show the stupidity of your religion. I can go home and dance 💃🏽. One Christian told us that the Bible is imperfect, which is perfectly true. In fact, no truer words have been uttered on this forum than that.

The other told us his god cannot forgive without BLOOD! What a good day to be alive !


cc: FxMasterz

You copied me on a different train of conversation that didn't involve me. Based on that I asked my questions .

Please respond:

A. Since you copied me here, tell me which is the Qur'an of Allah
1. The Warsh Qur'an or
2. The Hafs Qur'an
At least both are in Arabic

B. Can you quote for me ANY Hadith by Hafs?

C. The Qur'an was recited in six or seven Arab Dialects,
1. Which dialect are you reciting now
2. Where are the other Qur'an?


This will be all for now!

LegalWolf:
I think your holy ghost as inspired confusion in you like he purportedly did to the authors of the Bible. I’m simple English, what exactly are you saying?

Ehn TenQ 😜

cc: FxMasterz

If you don't understand simple English, too bad!

LegalWolf:
LOL! I asked a very simple question. You did everything BUT nothing in answering the question. Like I said earlier in the morning, it is draining arguing with a christian. Not that they do not have brain, but they deliberately close their eyes to the truth. You wrote so much on things outside the scope of the conversation and I would not belabour myself responding to them. I will just ask few questions on things that are relevant.




You and I agree that Jesus is Jewish and he followed the Torah, but how come those knowledgeable in the Torah disagree with Christian teachings? That it is non-reflective of what the Torah has been saying for ages? Why on earth should we prefer 'letters' to clarify the christian doctrines over those of other rabbi who claimed that these teachings are wrong in truth and principle? What gives us comfort that. assuming all the books of the Bible were actually authored by whom they claim wrote them, Apostle Paul for example was a true apostle of God?



This is interesting. Do you know that the Bible was reproduced in history through copying (or translation) by scribes? And do you know that the more ancient versions of the Bible that we have are quite distinct from the version in which your KJV is based on? Do you discrepancies at some fundamental levels exist? Do you know that the original writer may not lie but later copyist lied by changing the language to suit their narratives?? Are you aware of this part of your history?

Just a yes or no answer suffices please

(underlined mine)

This is interesting take and I think go home and smile knowing fully well that the Bible is not a perfect book - a grossly imperfect book incapable of being perfected. Again, thank you for your honesty. But here is the problem - your analogy is flawed and suffers from false quivalence in logic. The different media outlets that reported Shekau's death NEVER claimed that they were inspired by God, or did they?
So if one holy spirit claims to inspire multiple people to write about an event and BUT guided them to write conflicting reports, what gives us confidence that other things the holy spirit inspired - even the core of its teaching - would be true? Does the spirit inspiring the writers an author of cofusion? If it cannot inspire several people to write correctly on minute details, can we trust it to even inspire at all not to talk of inspiring biblical writers to write on core details

Is it true that The same Jews killed Does this show that the Jews agree with or disagree with Jesus?

You gat no point!

LegalWolf:
LOL! I asked a very simple question. You did everything BUT nothing in answering the question. Like I said earlier in the morning, it is draining arguing with a christian. Not that they do not have brain, but they deliberately close their eyes to the truth. You wrote so much on things outside the scope of the conversation and I would not belabour myself responding to them. I will just ask few questions on things that are relevant.




You and I agree that Jesus is Jewish and he followed the Torah, but how come those knowledgeable in the Torah disagree with Christian teachings? That it is non-reflective of what the Torah has been saying for ages? Why on earth should we prefer 'letters' to clarify the christian doctrines over those of other rabbi who claimed that these teachings are wrong in truth and principle? What gives us comfort that. assuming all the books of the Bible were actually authored by whom they claim wrote them, Apostle Paul for example was a true apostle of God?



This is interesting. Do you know that the Bible was reproduced in history through copying (or translation) by scribes? And do you know that the more ancient versions of the Bible that we have are quite distinct from the version in which your KJV is based on? Do you discrepancies at some fundamental levels exist? Do you know that the original writer may not lie but later copyist lied by changing the language to suit their narratives?? Are you aware of this part of your history?

Just a yes or no answer suffices please

(underlined mine)

This is interesting take and I think go home and smile knowing fully well that the Bible is not a perfect book - a grossly imperfect book incapable of being perfected. Again, thank you for your honesty. But here is the problem - your analogy is flawed and suffers from false quivalence in logic. The different media outlets that reported Shekau's death NEVER claimed that they were inspired by God, or did they?
So if one holy spirit claims to inspire multiple people to write about an event and BUT guided them to write conflicting reports, what gives us confidence that other things the holy spirit inspired - even the core of its teaching - would be true? Does the spirit inspiring the writers an author of cofusion? If it cannot inspire several people to write correctly on minute details, can we trust it to even inspire at all not to talk of inspiring biblical writers to write on core details

A. Since you copied me here, tell me which is the Qur'an of Allah
1. The Warsh Qur'an or
2. The Hafs Qur'an
At least both are in Arabic

B. Can you quote for me ANY Hadith by Hafs?

C. The Qur'an was recited in six or seven Arab Dialects,
1. Which dialect are you reciting now
2. Where are the other Qur'an?


This will be all for now!

LegalWolf:
LOL!

Like I always tell you, this is not a matter of discussing with your congregants who don't think. You are talking to homo sapiens not australopithecus strays like advocatejare or other members of your congragation. Nah! And writing 'volume of words' would not save you either. A thousands words can't make shi.t look better. Shi.t is Shi.t!

You said so many things but I will break this in part for easy understanding. One by one so we will get to the core points. I think allowing you to talk so much enables you to muddle up the point and go out of radar.

PART ONE

Like I said:
The concept of SIN in Christianity and Islam is as different as the West is far from the East!
1. Sin is a SACRILEGE against the SOVEREIGNTY of God HIMSELF.
2. The Judgement is ETERNAL Disconnection and Damnation of the sinner
3. The SINNER therefore CANNOT escape an INFINITE Judgement of God
4. Because of God's special love for Mankind , He provided and EQUIVALENT Substitution for Mankind such that even though God EXECUTES His Judgement, mankind may become FREE
5. A LIFE for a LIFE! A SCAPEGOAT as an Exchange for the Sinner.
This is why the Messiah has to be SINLESS
6. He who Believe and TRUST in God's solution is SAVED. He that rejects it is condemned already!

LegalWolf:
So tell me, I pray thee, the answer to the following question:

1. Hypothetically, if X agrees with the Message of Jesus but disagree with the idea that god took his blood to atone for his sins, can X receive salvation?

CAPITAL NO!
This is a conflicting Question: part of the Message of the Messiah is that He would Lay down His life for His people according to the scripture. How can a person agree with the message of Jesus and deny the same message?
John 10:15
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep

LegalWolf:
2. Assuming X repents from sin and live according to the rules of the messiah BUT ONLY did not accept the preposterous idea that the blood of yehoshua is sacrificed for his sins, again can X receive salvation.?

CAPITAL NO!
Another contradiction: the rules of the Messiah is not for cherry picking!
Isa 53:8:
"He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken."

The Messiah must be killed for the transgression of God's people.

LegalWolf:
Please keep your answers very short and simple. We will move in parts and it is for you to show us that without the blood, salvation can still be achieved. After this, we will proceed to the next part of the conversation

Thank you

cc: FxMasterz

The answers have been short as requested!

Obaofaba:
The ukranian president is just depopulating his people with this senseless war he can't win.

Very stubborn like ojukwu who wasted 3 million lives in eastern Nigeria during the civil war.

Senseless

Only a fo.o0l dies of cowardice before his time.

The Comedian has showed that he's a man of steel that won't take rubbish from any big bully.

If you put your hands in my mouth, I will BITE it hard. I don't surrender to a bully. Zelensky is a man!

If Putin knew, he would have kept his Crimea BUT greed wouldn't let him.

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ,
How come I missed this? I don't know if I was shadow banned yesterday but I don't get to receive notifications until someone else mentions me and I run through the list. But anyways I have read EVERYTHING you said and I feel like dancing. You know why? You also recognize the illogicality of your argument and how profoundly insane your doctrines are. Let me break it down for you

You bolted! TenQ you ran away and like was (falsely) reported in the bible, you looked up to the sky and said 'Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachtani' to no avail. I clearly answered your question by conceding that in truth, your hypothetical man needs forgiveness. But I also went on to show that it is a two way thing and ultimately prove that yhwh needs blood to forgive. He is incapacitated. He cannot help it. He is constrained. To this line of argument, you are mute!

I echoed the same thoughts when you used the seller and exchange example BUT you bolted and argued that 'It is not a simple case of purchase of items'. Because IT SIMPLY does not make sense and defies logic!

Just read up again what you've said above and apart from boasting about your foolishness you said NOTHING of value.

You attempted to SHOW that it is God who NEED Blood/Sacrifice and I have shut you down with reasons why the OFFENDER is he who NEED to PAY for his trespasses.

Have you seen NOW that it is Man who NEED to PAY for His SIN and not God who need Sacrifice to Forgive Sin.

LegalWolf:
You have still succeeded in doing one thing and thing alone - Nothing. To answer your question:
1. No, when man sins, God will punish. But the question is - Must HE require blood/sacrifice in order to forgive?

2. Yes, he does. But it is clearly insane to conceive the idea that the core of those protocols is the reaquirement of blood!

3. That I don't know. But what I do know is that it does not make sense that the primary thing God will require is blood, while the subjective intention of the sinner for true repentance is secondary.

I asked you three Questiojns

Mr LegalWolf,
1. When this VIOLATION is committed by man or jinn, do you think GOD will IGNORE it as TRIVIAL ?
2. Do you think God has a STANDARD PROTOCOL for Dealing with Such OFFENCES?
3. Do you think God's PROTOCOL for dealing with such ERRING creations of light effect?

1. It seems you agree that GOD will NOT ignore SIN as it is NOT a TRIVIAL affair
2. It seems you also think God has a STANDARD PROTOCOL for dealing with SIN
3. Here you decided to DO Islamic Taqiyya!
The implication of your response CONTRADICT your response to Question 1. How can God not treat sin as trivial and yet treat His protocol of dealing with the offender with light effect?

You do NOT make any logical sense here because you want to end up TRIVIALISING sin: unfortunately, you can't.

Secondly,
Your question still REVOLVE about WHY God will need BLOOD even though I have explained to you several times that GOD does not need the Blood NOR Sacrifice, it is MAN who need to PAY for His Sin with His LIFE! Did I NOT explain to you that the Blood is more like an EVIDENCE/RECEIPT/TOKEN that LIFE was Taken as an EXCHANGE for LIFE !?

Let me give you scriptures to SHUT your mouth forever
Acts 8:32-33
32 The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture: “He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the shearer is silent, so He did not open His mouth. 33In His humiliation He was deprived of justice. Who can recount His descendants? For His life was removed from the earth.”
John 10:10-11
10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness. 11I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

John 10:15
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.
1 John 3:16
16 By this we know what love is: Jesus laid down His life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.
John 10:17
For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again.
John 15:13
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

After this, you are free to think WHATEVER you want about this!

Finally,
Just like you Muslims Rejected Allah when he came to you in a shape you didn't like, so you are doing with Gods Method for Atonement of SIN.
Do you think you are REMOTELY QUALIFIED to Help God Design or Determine His METHOD for Absolving a man from the CONSEQUENCE of this Transgression and SIN?

LegalWolf:
Mr. TenQ you have still not proved anything logically, with all due respect. A man does the unthinkable offence and the next requirement is to require blood of unblemished lamb to forgive? Now some of the follow up questions I have for youare:
a. Since the lamb has been sacrificed, has that stopped man from doing the unthinkable offence?
b. I am aware you argued that the sin is man's nature and even equivated it to dirtiness as part of pig's nature (although, scientific evidence abounds that this is not true. But I will concede to your point), has the sacrificed 'changed' human nature from being sinful?

[There are other parts of the original doctrine I want to explore but not now]
For completeness, so as to avoid the charge of running from your question:
1. I do not know if Shaitan knows he will end up in hell. How am I to know? 2. I do not know too.
This is the beauty of Islam. We consider ourselves helpless in the front of the Almighty. He alone KNOWS everything but we trust is judgment completely, absolutely and without a doubt. But when God makes decisions, he invites us to think AND we can rationalize EVERYTHING he told us to do!

But this is not about islam. The topic is the Gospel Explained for Muslims!

On the Question of Satan going to Hell, it seems I understand your Quran better than you
Quran 38:71-85
"(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: 'Truly, I am going to create man from clay. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.' So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them, Except Iblees (Satan), he was proud and was one of the disbelievers. (Allaah) said: 'O Iblees (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both My Hands. Are you too proud (to fall prostrate to Adam) or are you one of the high exalted?' [Iblees (Satan)] said: 'I am better than he. You created me from fire, and You created him from clay.' (Allaah) said: "Then get out from here; for verily, you are outcast. And verily, My Curse is on you till the Day of Recompense.' [Iblees (Satan)] said: "'My Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are resurrected.' (Allaah) said: 'Verily, you are of those allowed respite Till the Day of the time appointed.' [Iblees (Satan)] said: 'By Your Might, then I will surely, mislead them all, Except Your chosen slaves amongst them (i.e. faithful, obedient, true believers of Islamic Monotheism).' (Allaah) said: 'The truth is - and the truth I say * That I will fill Hell with you [Iblees (Satan)] and those of them (mankind) that follow you, together.'"

The Question Again:
Please Educate me: According to Islamic Theology,
1. Does Shaitan know that he would end up in hell fire?
2. Why is it that Shaitan will never Repent UNTIL he is thrown into the Fire or will he finally repent?

Until you Muslims take SIN seriously, you will continue to tell lies as Takiyya and do Mutah and kill people in the name of Mohammed.

You asked TWO Questions

Q a. Since the lamb has been sacrificed, has that stopped man from doing the unthinkable offence?

The Sacrifice of Christ was NEVER to STOP men or from sinning: it is to PAY for the judgement of PERFECTION required of God on the Judgement day because NOT one single human being is SINLESS!
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
1 Peter 1:18-19
Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

Q b. I am aware you argued that the sin is man's nature and even equivated it to dirtiness as part of pig's nature (although, scientific evidence abounds that this is not true. But I will concede to your point), has the sacrificed 'changed' human nature from being sinful?

The Sacrifice of Christ is ONLY for those who will RECEIVE it! They Become Spiritually NEW Creatures: sons of God!
1 John 2:1
1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father — Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Cor 5:17
17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!

I had told you before, accepting the SACRIFICE of Christ involve TWO things

TenQ:
Didn't you read me on the TWO requirement of Salvation? Here it is again
1. Believing and Accepting the SOLUTION of God for You (the Sacrifice made by God on your behalf)
This is what is called Accepting Jesus as SAVIOUR -FAITH
2. Repentance from SIN and LIVING according to the Rules of the Messiah
This is what is called Accepting Jesus as LORD - REPENTANCE

This is why you hear Christians ask the Question:
Have you accepted Jesus as your LORD and SAVIOUR?

So, my dear. Salvations is not just because you believe it is because you have FAITH (FAITH is Believe Put in ACTION)'

This make you live a life of OBEDIENCE to God: notwithstanding, we have an ADVOCATE for our imperfections as Christians!

LegalWolf:
Chapter 11 of Leveticus was talking about clean and unclean foods and it is in that context that God's warning. See 11:46 that said ' these are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves......' Or am I wrong?
So stretching it as you have done is beyond logic to me. God has not told us to be 'without blemish' as you falsely induced.

Thank God you acknowledge answered your question with the word 'notwithstanding'. Again, I am not disputing with you that a sinner needs forgiveness/atonement whether he commits 'heavy' or 'light sin'. No! My argument is a very simple one. Let me identify it for you since you fail to see it:

- Sins are individual and not communal and should be punished individually.
- It is preposterous for yhwh to require blood for atonement for EVERY type of sin, whether heavy or light
- That in any event, needing blood as a condition for salvation is not different from devil worship. It is insane and cannot be justified in logic

1 Pet 1:16
15But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”
Why wont you miscrew this: for there is NOTHING like it in the Quran.
What has regulations about animals to do with Holiness?

Of course you do not understand Judaism, so I can understand your communal problem. Please read the Taurat and ask question when you are confused.

LegalWolf:
Finally, you are not grounded in Islamic theology neither do you know your religion. Unlike the stray advocatejare, we would answer your questions.
1. Correct, if man decides to act against God's teaching, then the greatest offense in the Universe has been committed
2. No HUMAN, living or dead, has ever violated Be and It is. Kun fayakun is in the context of creation and not commands for humans capable of being violated. A similar example is in one of my favourites books - Genesis 1:4 where it was said 'Let there be light'. Is that a commandment capable of being violated, ehn TenQ?
3. Simple answer - No, it has NEVER been violated.

cc: FxMasterz
advocatejare

I asked
1. God commands Humans "BE HOLY" and man Chose to Act Opposite by Living "UNHOLY": and you think the greatest offence in the Universe has not been committed?
2. Are you saying is that there is NO Consequence for the "BE" or "kun faya kun" to be VIOLATED by ANYONE!?
3. Since the Beginning of TIME, Has the Command "BE" or "kun faya kun" of God EVER Been VIOLATED?


1. Good that you acknowledge that the greates offence has been commited.
2 and 3: You are WRONG
Didnt Islam teach you that Allah Commands ALL the Angels and Iblis to BOW down to ADAM?
Was it a Direct Command?
Did Iblis comply?

You TRULY don't know your Religion:
BE is simply the COMMAND of GOD not just about Creation but by EVERYTHING as they must BEND to His WILL.



You can TRIVIALISE SIN against the UNCREATED EVERLASTING, ALMIGHTY source of ALL things as Allah encourages you to.

Until you can be civil and exhibit character upgrade, no point responding to this!
I have only hit you with verifiable truths

LegalWolf:
Lol, so calling you by your essence could actually rile you up like this, ehn Lawrence TenQnih the future thief? Hahaha 🤣 . Abeg o!



yhwh bears me witness that you are an habitual liar who is destined to be a future thief. There’s no way you can run from your destiny. Lol, Lawrence TenQnih Oyenusi 😝😝😝

Is it not true that your prophet is the WORST and most DEPRAVED of human beings who remotely think themselves a prophet?

Is it true that your prophet was under the influence of satan for almost a year and thus suffered from a terrible bout of SCHIZOPHRENIA and INSANITY?

Is it true that you LegalWolf is modelling your life after him?

Therefore, you are not far from what he was and it may be good you sought deliverance and medical intervention.

KingNom:
I'll say that by His nature of Justice, God needs a sacrifice to forgive sin

Reason is His Justice demands that sin should be fully and totally either punished or paid for. This is what Jesus did on behalf of everyone

Thanks

It isn't God then who need Atonement. The person who needs freedom from the consequence of his transgression is the one who NEED the payment.

Unfortunately, it is impossible for man to pay for his transgression. Therefore, for the reason of God's love He presented the payment (A Life for a Life evidenced by the shedding of blood).

This is why by grace we are saved through faith, ..it is a a GIFT of God.

Eph 2:8-9:
"For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

If our salvation is a GIFT of God to us, how can He NEED anything?
To comprehend this, you need to answer the Question below from the bible:
What do you think God Does with the Blood of Sacrifice?

Is it necessary that the Messiah has to die or that his blood be shed? That is, would atonement be complete if Jesus was nailed to the cross but brought down before he died?