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Health › Re: Man Commits Suicide Over Economic Hardship In Nigeria (Graphic Photos) by TenQ: 11:31am On Jan 18, 2023
[quote author= post=120093824]A Middle-aged man yesterday reportedly committed suicide, Reports.

From The Information Gathered By , The man, whose identity is yet to be ascertained, was said to have committed suicide by hanging himself on a tree in the vicinity of his residence.

He was said to have done this by climbing on a ladder to be able to tie himself to the tree while he remained suspended on the tree after he kicked away the ladder with his legs.

Why he decided to take his own live has not been known as he was reported to look hale and hearty the last time he was seen by his neighbours before he committed the suicide.

There were, however, speculations that he might have committed suicide because of the prevailing economic hardship In Nigeria.

It was gathered By , that his decision to take away his own life has left his family members, neighbours and friends bewildered because they had no premonition that he was going to take his live.

His disturbed family members have removed his corpse, As At The Time Of Filing This Report.

See Graphic Photos As Obtained By Below:[/quote]Buhari, see your life, see what your governance has caused!
Celebrities › Re: There Is No Blessing In Giving Your Rich Parents Money - Daddy Freeze by TenQ: 11:26am On Jan 18, 2023
Aareakinwunmi:
No matter how rich my parents might be.



If am not struggling financially I will always drop funds for them.
Some parents don't need your money. What they need is YOU and your show of AFFECTION. These are not always money related.

It's just as God does not need your money. God need you and your affection to him. Give your money to those in need (and sometimes, the church is also in need)
Education › Re: Lady Surprised She’s Allowed To Take ‘expo’ Into The Examination Hall In The UK by TenQ: 11:20am On Jan 18, 2023
[quote author= post=120140706]This is common in UK and US universities.
It is not called expo though,
It is called.......

OPEN BOOK TEST.

Who can verify this our ogbonge info?

Any Nigerian in diaspora that has done this in their schools before?


Thanks for confirming this for us Sis.
It's obvious you've done this before.
So we right then.


Like seriously?!
Lol cheesy grin


This makes absolute sense![/quote]One of my lecturers used to give this kind of test for us. He will even print two pages of mathematics formula for us to use.

Upon all that, we would still fail. Why?
He was testing COMPREHENSION rather than what we could memorise
Christianity Etc › Re: Is masturbation a sin? by TenQ: 11:10am On Jan 18, 2023
AntiChristian:
Paulinity is not Christianity!

Jesus didn't mention masturbation anywhere!

A couple could do that if one reaches orgasm faster than the other.
Of course Mohammed mentioned masturbation several times as it was his hobby! Baby_Aisha could comment about your prophet's prowess in masturbation while she was too young to comprehend what sex was. SMH!

Instead of assenting that you are wrong, it now about "Paulinity" whatever that means.

Whatever you say doesn't change the fact that the man you rever as assistant Allah Qutham aka Mohammed is the most VILE personality ever to be ascribed the status of prophet by his followers.

Jesus said:
By their fruit, you shall know them. The son of Satan (Mohammed) cannot bring forth any thing other than the fruit worthy of his wickedness. And you his followers act like him: evil communication corrupt good manners!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is masturbation a sin? by TenQ: 11:02am On Jan 18, 2023
AntiChristian:
The thread is about masturbation not prostitution! Let the holy spirit open your eyes!
Aren't they from the same family of sexual gratification!?

Why do you think Allah legalised sexual gratification through Prostitution for Muslims?
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 11:00am On Jan 18, 2023
Lukuluku69:
Loi

The word Christian was first used in Antioch by King Agrippa (at least in record) did Mary mother of Jesus followed them to Antioch?

So,. Christians also mean "Slaves of Christ" and not Christlike again?

You keep jumping from one points to another like a Bonobo! Do you know why? You are confused human being. Confusion resides in you.

I have always know that no one can get anywhere with you. Keep surfing the Net perhaps you will find the truth and when you do, I hope you won't be an arrogant s and blind prick that you have always being and embrace it.
It's amazing the level of your exhibition of comprehension: I guess drinking camel urine with dates has blocked your normal functioning.
You are exhibiting character like a man who lifted up his head before the imam.

Why did you not wait for the imam before raising up your head? Why!?
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 6:56am On Jan 18, 2023
Lukuluku69:
You are waste of time. So, the holy spirit suddenly forgot Mary's name and refer to her as "among the women"?

The followers of Jesus were first refered to as Christians in Antioch. I hope you know where Antioch is? Present day Turkey. And for your info, the Eleven disciples never left Jerusalem as commanded by Jesus. Any references of them stepping out are just forgeries.

E no concern me if the Quran doesn't make sense to you. Not one bit. It appealed to over a billion people and who are you if it doesn't make sense to you?
And you think it's the name that matter rather than the identity of the followers of Christ!? I wonder how Islam has reduced your IQ!? SMH!!
Before Antioch Christians were just Disciples of Christ. For your information, the name Christian was a Derogatory nickname given by people for the disciples of Christ meaning "little Christ's" or "little anointed ones" or "slaves of Christ" but of course, you don't know and your thought is that it's the name that is important rather than the identity.

Even when you saw in the scripture MARY mother of Jesus (also highlighted in Red), you remain blind. Just as Islam is leading you to Hell while you think you see!

Here is Mary in Acts
Acts 1:13-14:
"And when they went in the city, they went up to the upper-room where they were staying — both Peter and John, and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James. These all were devoting-themselves with-one-accord to prayer, along with women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and His brothers."


1. Can you see Mary and the brothers of Jesus with the Apostles and other disciples
2. If your argument is that Mary was not a Christian, was Mary not a New and is she not paradise bound?

The Qur'an will never make sense even to you sir
Christianity Etc › Re: Is masturbation a sin? by TenQ:
AntiChristian:
Diversion!
A truthful diversionn that Allah instructs you Muslims to do prostitution!

Only Allah can give such kinds of a law!

Is Prostitution is not ALLOWED and Supported by Allah the God of the Muslims!?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is masturbation a sin? by TenQ: 6:21pm On Jan 17, 2023
AntiChristian:
See as dey derive judgement from Paul.

Did Jesus call masturbation a Sin?

If a couple masturbates each other is that a sin?

TenQ
Unfortunately, Prostitution is ALLOWED and Supported by Allah the God of the Muslims!


Don't you Muslims do Mutah?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is masturbation a sin? by TenQ: 6:17pm On Jan 17, 2023
AntiChristian:
See as dey derive judgement from Paul.

Did Jesus call masturbation a Sin?

If a couple masturbates each other is that a sin?

TenQ
I don't know if you understand the meaning of masturbation but it seems you don't.

Masturbation:
The process of manipulating ones own genital organs, whether a penis or clitoris for the purposes of self-stimulating removing the requirement for a partner.


So, how can a married couple masturbate each other ?

In marriage sex is legal and it is the only environment where mutual sexual pleasuring is not a sin (and this is NOT masturbation by definition)!

Again, I've presented the rule

TenQ:
There is no direct scripture about Masturbation in the Bible just as there is no direct scripture about the use of hard Drugs and Plastic Surgery or IVF etc. The Question of Sin or no sin now depend on the fruit produced by such an act. Does the fruit generated pass the test of the scripture

Phil 4:8:
"Finally, brothers, whatever things are true , whatever things are honest , whatever things are just , whatever things are pure , whatever things are lovely , whatever things are of good report ; if there be any virtue , and if there be any praise , think on these things."


The phrase think on these things." could also mean DO these things."

For out of the abundance of the heart a man is!

So, the question you need to ask yourself is
1. Is masturbation pure?
2. Is masturbation lovely?
3. Is masturbation of good report?
4. Is masturbation filled with virtue or good report?

If the answer to any above is NO, then you have your answer.


On a second part, masturbation could be a sacrifice you unconsciously make to demons for control over your life. In the spirit realm, there is what is called a principle of EXCHANGE. It is one of the easiest means of demons afflicting a Christians life. It is just like hard drugs, as you take it, you handover the control of your life to demons.

What does the bible says?

1Cor 6:18:
"Be fleeing sexual immorality. Your Body Is The Temple of The Holy Spirit. Glorify God In Your Body Every sin which a person may do is outside the body. But the one committing-sexual-immorality is sinning against his own body."


2Tim 2:22:
"Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart."


How to overcome:
1. Understand the spiritual implications of masturbation
2. Actively Resist the devil with respect to masturbation
a. Remove physical and emotional sources of temptations from around you
b. Fill your time with positive things, positive activities
c. Truly live your life for Christ knowing that
# You were bought with a costly price
# Your body belongs to the Holy Spirit
d. Learn to flee!

Shalom
Christianity Etc › Re: Is masturbation a sin? by TenQ: 6:09pm On Jan 17, 2023
advocatejare:
God bless you for this!
Thanks bro!
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 6:08pm On Jan 17, 2023
Lukuluku69:
You are just getting ahead of yourself. Before Islam, the whole of Arabia has the Jews (mainly in Medina called Teman in your Bible.) , The Christians in Najran (North Western Arabia) and the Pagans of Mecca. In a little over 30 years, they all became Muslims .

The Nation of the Magis that visited babe Jesus crib became Muslims in a little over 30years after the Message was preached in Arabia and they are still Muslims 1,400 and counting. The whole of the Middle East as we know it became Muslims majorly. The Sabians (Astrologers in Persia) and many others of different faiths all became Muslims. These are the people that promised was held out to. If you are blind to see it, that's your cup of kunu to sip not mine.

And hoe can Mary the mother of Jesus be a Christian when that term was FIRST used by King Agrippa over 30 years after lord and saviour was hanged?
Are you saying that Allah doesn't know the proper usage of words.

Allah spoke about these people receiving reward from THEIR LORD and not himself.

Here is Mary in Acts
Acts 1:13-14:
"And when they went in the city, they went up to the upper-room where they were staying — both Peter and John, and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James. These all were devoting-themselves with-one-accord to prayer, along with women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and His brothers."


1. Can you see Mary and the brothers of Jesus with the Apostles and other disciples
2. If your argument is that Mary was not a Christian, was Mary not a New and is she not paradise bound?

The Qur'an will never make sense even to you sir
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 3:24pm On Jan 17, 2023
Lukuluku69:
If you really don't have anything to say, please close shop!


1. Being a Christian, is it instantaneous or progressively?

2. If you want to know of Christians who became Muslims, sebi you have Data and a Device? Why not search the internet and find out? And if you are asking of my personal experience, I know of dozens!
Muslims cannot reason out their scripture without failing.
They always avoid answering questions

#1 One becomes a Christian instantaneously
#2 The verse is NOT about Christians or Jews or Sabians that b came Muslims. That is why the Qur'an says

"...they shall have their reward from their Lord, ..."
Who is the Lord of the Jews!? Yahweh!
Who is the Lord of the Christians !? Yahweh!

Sorry, I know that it is embarrassing that Sabians will enter paradise but it is your book (Quran) not mine!

Okay, let me ask you some simple basic questions
1. According to Islam will Mary the mother of Jesus (a Jew) enter paradise?
2. According to Islam will Mary the mother of Jesus (a Christian) enter paradise?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is masturbation a sin? by TenQ: 3:12pm On Jan 17, 2023
Banilla:
Hi! I wanna know if masturbation is a sin
Thanks!

Kobokunkie
TenQ
BluntTheApostle
AntiIslam
AntiChristian
There is no direct scripture about Masturbation in the Bible just as there is no direct scripture about the use of hard Drugs and Plastic Surgery or IVF etc. The Question of Sin or no sin now depend on the fruit produced by such an act. Does the fruit generated pass the test of the scripture

Phil 4:8:
"Finally, brothers, whatever things are true , whatever things are honest , whatever things are just , whatever things are pure , whatever things are lovely , whatever things are of good report ; if there be any virtue , and if there be any praise , think on these things."


The phrase think on these things." could also mean DO these things."

For out of the abundance of the heart a man is!

So, the question you need to ask yourself is
1. Is masturbation pure?
2. Is masturbation lovely?
3. Is masturbation of good report?
4. Is masturbation filled with virtue or good report?

If the answer to any above is NO, then you have your answer.


On a second part, masturbation could be a sacrifice you unconsciously make to demons for control over your life. In the spirit realm, there is what is called a principle of EXCHANGE. It is one of the easiest means of demons afflicting a Christians life. It is just like hard drugs, as you take it, you handover the control of your life to demons.

What does the bible says?

1Cor 6:18:
"Be fleeing sexual immorality. Your Body Is The Temple of The Holy Spirit. Glorify God In Your Body Every sin which a person may do is outside the body. But the one committing-sexual-immorality is sinning against his own body."


2Tim 2:22:
"Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart."


How to overcome:
1. Understand the spiritual implications of masturbation
2. Actively Resist the devil with respect to masturbation
a. Remove physical and emotional sources of temptations from around you
b. Fill your time with positive things, positive activities
c. Truly live your life for Christ knowing that
# You were bought with a costly price
# Your body belongs to the Holy Spirit
d. Learn to flee!

Shalom
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 2:44pm On Jan 17, 2023
Lukuluku69:
That passage clearly states, paradise is guaranteed for those among these group that were mentioned who believed in the message of Islam.

The cold hard fact of history tells us that the Whole of Arabia submitted to the message of Islam (which you can still see today) The Nasara and the Sabians became Muslims and the jews of Medina, the Christians of Najran and the Sabians in Arabia Felix became Muslims.

Instead of wasting your time twisting scriptures you have no understanding of, why not do a research on the Judasing Jews that became Muslims and the man worshipers in the Nasara that became Muslims?

The verse you quoted was referring to them.
The Qur'an NEVER said they believed in Islam. It's surprising if we as Christians understand Islam better than you Muslims

Qur'an 2:62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.


The Qur'an says
1. Surely those who believe and as a specific example Jews, Christians and the Sabians
2. They believe in Allah, they believe in the Last Day and they do Good.
3. These people will receive their reward from THEIR Lord.

How clear can it be?
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 12:43pm On Jan 17, 2023
Lukuluku69:
That passage clearly states, paradise is guaranteed for those among these group that were mentioned who believed in the message of Islam.

The cold hard fact of history tells us that the Whole of Arabia submitted to the message of Islam (which you can still see today) The Nasara and the Sabians became Muslims and the jews of Medina, the Christians of Najran and the Sabians in Arabia Felix became Muslims.

Instead of wasting your time twisting scriptures you have no understanding of, why not do a research on the Judasing Jews that became Muslims and the man worshipers in the Nasara that became Muslims?

The verse you quoted was referring to them.
Anyone who believed in the Message of Islam is a Muslim isn't it?
Anyone who believed in the Message of Mohammed should be able to recite the shahada isn't it?



1. How does a person become a Muslim: is it instantaneously or progressively?
2. Do you know any Christian who believe in the message of Islam?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 11:45am On Jan 17, 2023
AntiChristian:
Why is ''Allah" reserved in your Arabic and Hausa Bible?
Allah as used in Arabic and Hausa bibles are TITLES like "God" in English language. The name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is NEVER Allah...go check the Bible to cross check.

Don't you Muslims insist that Allah is the name of your Deity?


AntiChristian:
Yeah, Arabs don't believe in the God of Israel but the God of the World! God no dey discriminate based on country!
If Mohammed doesn't know who Israel is, he should have asked his Allah.
Of course you don't know that Yaqub is the same person as Israel. God renamed Jacob as Israel


AntiChristian:
The absence of evidence doesn't prove your claim!
It does my dear.
I have shown you that from the bible
1. I've read the bible AND There is no where in the bible where the God of Israel is called Allah!
2. I've read so many history books AND There is no record anywhere that before Mohammed Arabs remotely insinuated that Al-Lah or Allah is the God of Israel!

If Mohammed doesn't know the Blessed one of Israel, how can he claim we serve the same God and his name is Allah?


AntiChristian:
Read the Arabic or Hausa Bible. Our Allah is the same God that created the world!
Just as Olodumare created the earth with soil and a chicken to spread out the earth!

Can we now claim that Olodumare is the NAME of the God of Israel?

AntiChristian:
You can easily burst my lies you know!?
LOL!

Farawa 1:1 A farko-farko, Allah ya halicci sama da ƙasa.

That's the Hausa Bible for Genesis 1:1. In the beginning Allah created heaven and Earth!
The question was:
2. Show any evidence before Mohammed's that the Arabs remotely insinuated that Al-Lah or Allah is the God of Israel?

Of course, you have zero evidence!

Since you don't know, let me educate you.
In the beginning, God (as a title: the Deity) created the heavens and the earth.

It didn't say Yahweh created the heavens and the earth. When you read the bible, you realize that the Deity spoken about is specifically Yahweh and not any other Deity.

Do you agree that the term "God" can be used by anyone including Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Hare Krishna, Sango Worshippers, etc as the creator of the Earth.?

Can an idol worshipper claim that the name of their chief Deity is Allah?
Can you as a Muslim claim that the name of your God is Yahweh?

As a Christian, the name of my Creator is certainly NOT Allah!
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 11:26am On Jan 17, 2023
Lukuluku69:
You are a waste of time, I know this even before I engaged you.

In the Quran the Term for Christians is NASARA and for Jews is YAHUDI. That NASARA is translated CHRISTIANS should not be an issue for you because that is the name/term you man worshippers are known in English but if you read the Quran in it's Original Language you will still find the word NASARA.

But since you are in the business of muddying anything and everything you are both blind and deaf to that reasoning.

As for me going to hell, no biggie, your Jesus went there too and he said many of you that worship him while teaching man made doctrines will have your home in the Fire.

Worry about your own destination. A Beam is about to chop off your own head but you are oncern with the Twig in my front... Lol

Padre, be concern about where you will spend your own eternity...
Unfortunately, it is your friend that was initially trying to prove and insinuate that Christians are not mentioned in the Qur'an but the Nasara!
He finally changed his mind after that though and my response to refuting him was what you quoted.

Now that we are on the same page, Allah says
The Jews, The Christians and the Sabians will enter paradise. The Nasara also worshiped the star, the moon and other solar constillations, how are they to enter paradise?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 12:33am On Jan 17, 2023
AntiChristian:
Bring the proof for your lies or keep mute?
The proof is before you here
1. I've read the bible AND There is no where in the bible where the God of Israel is called Allah!
2. I've read so many history books AND There is no record anywhere that before Mohammed Arabs remotely insinuated that Al-Lah or Allah is the God of Israel!

These above are my evidences and insinuations to be debunked by you if they are lies


I said:,
1. Can you find anywhere in the Bible where the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was Allah or Al-Lah?
2. Show any evidence before Mohammed's that the Arabs remotely insinuated that Al-Lah or Allah is the God of Israel?

You can easily burst my lies you know!?
LOL!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 12:27am On Jan 17, 2023
advocatejare:
But they seem not to be aware as the best of the deceivers make them to believe that by rebuking him by himself means will work, that is why u hear them say “ Auzubillah Minashaitan Nirajeem” with the belief that that will drive Satan away
We shall pray for them while exposing the deception of Allah aka Satan
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 9:15pm On Jan 16, 2023
AngelicBeing:
Nice thread and contributions by TenQ, advocatejare and Rosemaiden, Una don decimate and broke the skull of the heathen Philistine talking trash cheesy
Thanks Bro!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 9:14pm On Jan 16, 2023
advocatejare:
Just like Allah boasts and declares his mission in the Quran: to fill hellfire with Muslims


“ We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, “I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together.”
-Surah 32:13
But like when man is deceived by a 419, he never learns until he is finally swindled: so is the case of Muslims.
Swindled by Shaitan!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 6:55pm On Jan 16, 2023
AntiChristian:
Keep shut if you have no evidence for your lies!
I gave you a challenge as evidence:

I said:,
1. Can you find anywhere in the Bible where the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was Allah or Al-Lah?
2. Show any evidence before Mohammed's that the Arabs remotely insinuated that Al-Lah or Allah is the God of Israel?

You can easily burst my lies you know!?
LOL!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 6:46pm On Jan 16, 2023
AntiChristian:
God LAH, abeg quote the Hadith that states that.

The God of Abraham and others is still Allah in the Arabic Bible!
Mohammed claimed that Allah is the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Do Arab people know that before Mohammed's time? NO!
It was just an attempt to upgrade Al-Lah to the status of the God of Israel.

By the way,
Can you find anywhere in the Bible where the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was Allah or Al-Lah?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 6:09pm On Jan 16, 2023
AntiChristian:
It's good you're not here to argue with me. The aim is to show you that there are many actions people commit in your God's name that are worse than what you perceive as evil in Islam.

But you'll always bring excuses for yours and deny us any excuse!

And you are still telling lies?

Muhammad's father like Abraham's father were idolaters. Just because he bears a Muslim name doesn't mean he's a Muslim!

The Islam we practice today started with Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam not his father!
Mohammed's father worshipped Al-Lah (God Lah) and he was his servant.
Except you can find anywhere in the Bible where the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was Allah!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 6:07pm On Jan 16, 2023
advocatejare:
And people started copying him, they were moving their lips repeatedly during Quranic recitation like he did until he stopped them!
Satan actually succeeded with Muslims: people sincerely deceived into hell fire!
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Deliberately Mislead People And Give Them No Hope Of Redemption? by TenQ: 8:48pm On Jan 15, 2023
advocatejare:
Of course. Muhammad used Allah as escape plan, he used Allah to dominate his followers and turned them into zombies
Allah as the coverup for his epileptic fits!
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 1:24pm On Jan 15, 2023
Lukuluku69:
If they didn't convert to Islam, can you tell us what happened to them?
Did Allah say those going to paradise are Muslims?

(الْبَقَرَة‏ - Al-Baqarah [2 : 62])
Verily, those who have believed, and ( those who were ) Jews and Christians and Sabians, those (of them) who believe in Allah and the Last Day and act piously, there is for them their reward with their Lord. Neither shall any fear afflict them, nor shall they grieve.

See how you Muslims put fake readings in bracket.


Let me give you two different translations of
Qur'an 2:62

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] – those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

YUSUF ALI
“Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
‏
Where did it say they converted to Islam?
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 7:45am On Jan 15, 2023
Lukuluku69:
As for your questions on the jews, Christians and Sabians, why not read the verses before that particular one and those after it?
Nothing says they converted to Islam.

Can you post any Tafsir of your choice that agree with you?
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 7:21am On Jan 15, 2023
Lukuluku69:
Verily, those who have believed, and (those who were) Jews and Christians and Sabians, those (of them) who believe in Allah and the Last Day and act piously, there is for them their reward with their Lord. Neither shall any fear afflict them, nor shall they grieve.‏

(الْبَقَرَة‏ - Al-Baqarah [2 : 62])

As you can see from the very first line of the Quranic verse "verily, those who have believed...refers to Jews, christians and sabians who have left those faiths and BELIEVED in the Message of Islam are the ones this promise are held out to/for and not those Jews/christians or sabians still in their faiths.

You fear for me on judgement day? Not necessary. Be fearful of your own destination and also have it at the back of your mind that Jesus said he will deny Many of you who said Lord, Lord in your name we have done many wonderful things.

Let me carry my own burden and be mindful of yours too.
Where did the verse you quote say they who have left those faiths and BELIEVED in the Message of Islam is what is referring to. It is a logical fallacy.

If a Jew left the faith to become Muslim how can he still remain a Jew?
If a Christian left the faith to become Muslim how can he still remain a Christian?
If a Sabian left the faith to become Muslim how can he still remain a Sabian?

Your thinking amazes me.

Muslims will deny Allah and their Quran to win an argument
Can you produce a single Tafsir that agrees with you?
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 7:17am On Jan 15, 2023
Lukuluku69:
I told you! You don't know anything. The Term Nasara is what the Quran used for Christians and not People of the Book.
I thought you just said that the Qur'an only refers to the Nasara and not Christians.

You said:
The Jews are the People of the Book not Christians. The Christians are referred to as NASARA in the Quran. You have a lot to learn but you won't go far with this attitude of yours.
Aren't you going the way of Taqqiya now!?

Therefore
1. Why then do your Muslim translator of the Qur'an use the term people of the book with both Christians and Jews?

2. Who then are the people of the book knowing that the Qur'an mentioned three books Taorat, Zabur and Injeel?

3. All your scholars agree that the people of the book are Jews and Christians!
In the Quran they are identified as the Jews, the Christians, the Sabians, and—according to some interpretations—the Zoroastrians
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book

I guess you should read Quran 5:68–69 for the definition of people of the book.



Lukuluku69:
And in your usual ignorance, you claimed it is meant for the Mormons! Were the Mormons available 1,400 years ago? The Mormons are even not UpTo 200 years old.

Anyone who take any other god/s in worship other than the Creator of the Heavens and Earth is going hellfire.

The command not to take you man worshippers as friends was and still is for hostility time as you are indeed friends with each other.
Can you quote me where I said that the Nasara are Mormons!?
SMH!

Is Jesus not the creator of life also in the Qur'an?

It is you Muslims who actually worship a man called Mohammed. What is the punishment for blasphemy against Mohammed? Can you become a Muslim without invoking the name of Mohammed?

In addition, you perform idolatry by worshipping the black stone that has the power to forgive sin.

And your God's name Allah is NOT found anywhere in the earlier scripture !

You see mallam Lukman, you have been deceived to go to HELL!
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Ishmael In Prophethood by TenQ(op): 2:19am On Jan 15, 2023
Lukuluku69:
Whatever you think Islam is, is your business alone. The last time I checked, there are over a billion Hindus in the world who think what you are thinking, so whatever your thoughts are, you are definitely not alone.

As for me and my Faith, there are over a billion of us with a firmfaith in what we believe, to us our Faith and to you, your faith.

As for Prophethood, Allah sends Prophets and Messengers to every Nation, every Language of the World not only to Israelites whatever you like you can make of that. To you, your thoughts, actions and inactions and to me mine. No where in the Quran do you read that Prophethood was Limited to a Nation but keep doing what you are doing for I know you must have come across other Quranic Prophets names but your whatever it is has blinded you from mentioning it.

A Day is coming we will all stand before our Maker and give Accounts.

Another misconceptions!

The Jews are the People of the Book not Christians. The Christians are referred to as NASARA in the Quran. You have a lot to learn but you won't go far with this attitude of yours.
The Nasara are a false Christian sect like the Mormon who believed that Mary was the third of the trinity.

1. Do the Nasara believe that Jesus is Allah?
2. What name does Allah give the Christians in the Qur'an?

Qur'an 5:17
They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is the Christ , the son of Mary. Say, “Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy the Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?” And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.


Can you see the Islamic mixup?

3. If the Nasara are going to paradise, why are you Muslims commanded not to make friends with them

Qur'an 5:51
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.


The Islamic mixup will not allow you to answer the three simple question

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