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LegalWolf:
Hehehe So I can rile a future thief up like this... For you and I, this is not goodnight but good morning. We have a long way to go...LOL!



Signs of frustration LOL!

[Little digression - but it is sweet in your lips when you throw jabs at ALLAH and his Prophet right? I have your keys potential thief hahaha ]

To the point - are you insinuating that the name yhwh does not refer to a god other than ELOAH/ALAHA/ALLAH (or 'Father'?)? Or because Jews call ELOAH Yhwh means they are the same from time immemorial? Or let me bring it to the religion your ancestors practiced - because your grandfather probably worshipped 'Eshu', does that mean Eshu = BiblicalSatan? Or is Eledumare = Yhwh? [/b]




Lol! this is the beginning of your rambling.

Since you cannot tell the difference between 'harassment' and 'privacy', I will teach you the silent lessons. Since I have been engaging you, you will write posts and mention every Muslim your small mind can conceive DESPITE the fact that these Muslims DON'T OWE YOU any explanation to your senseless questions. Yet you keep mentioning them in all your posts/topics. Do you know how many times some of them stylishly complained that you stop mentioning them?

See, I have taken on my wig and gown and I have decided to be their lawyer on this forum. I will monitor each of your Topics and let me see you tag ANY Muslim again to it, then we will resume. And that brings me to this point, you insinuated that you have not exhausted your 'Russian' ammunitions against my 'Ukraine'... So are you bolting away again like your weak lazy-ass god?

Finally, I will probably ruminate over the fact that yhwh cannot defeat primitive people because they had iron chariots. Or the fact that they he cannot forgive without shedding of blood. And perhaps, the entire christian concept of salvation and/or atonement is nothing but HUMAN SACRIFICE. I promise you this will trouble my conscience than any of your idi0tic posts.

Till you write a thread again and mention ME or ANY MUSLIM. Then we will back from where we stopped. I do hope that you ignore this because it is getting fun for me, actually. Goodnight to you and yhwh for now but I pray to see you later!

Can this be the last time I will call you potential thief?.... Nah! I don't pray so!

Answer to your Allah!

LegalWolf:
LOL!

Future thief too sees himself as a warner Is it warner to steal or forge or what? LOL Potential thief TenQ

IMAliyu please ignore this clown of a person as he is characterless

(underlined mine)

Clown, can you think? what have you ever defended successfully in your bible? Just name it! Was it the fact that yhwh is a blood sucking demon that he requires shedding of blood to forgive or the fact that he could not defeat a people because they had Iron chariots. I can go and on from every Book of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. That is if I want to but discussing about Greek pantheons is more profitable than any conversation the Bible can yield.

Again, if I put the Bible into the witness box, splitting it into pieces and discussing theological matters, all we have is nothing but a useless book that no sensible human should ever believe in. The entire Christianity is a dumb religion. See Mr. 'Warner', yhwh is not worthy of worship but to be stoned to death like a theif a weak ass god! I consider my time better spent discussing Zeus, Olympians etc. than the weak ass blood sucking demon called yhwh

Anyways, when are you forging a thread for me?

If indeed YHWH is the name of the God of the Jews
AND
Allah indeed says
and tell them (the people of the book i.e. Jews and Christians), that we believe in what was revealed to us, and what was revealed to you (the Torah and the Gospel), and our God and your God is One, and we submit to Him in devotion (i.e. we are Muslims).

Then Mr LegalWolf, of all human beings, you are not better than a BRUTE MULE, a FOOL and the MOST STUPID of the slaves Allah.

I am indeed very careful NOT to call you a Fool!


By the way, and for your information, I DON'T OWE you any post. I wrote just ONE specifically for you and I didn't call any Muslim to it. Go ruminate over it with your conscience

Good night!

IMAliyu:
I think you're mistaken about my beliefs.

Me being Muslim is merely a cultural identity, I no longer practice, nor hold any of the beliefs, nor a belief in any God(s). I'm agnostic.

Oh, I see!
I'm truly in error about you then.

Logically, if there is a God who created this world, and this world is a place of selection; there are only THREE religions in the whole world that may speak some truths about Him. These are Islam, Judaism and Christianity.

Don't let the poison of One of them deny you of a relationship with your Creator.

Even though you claim agnosticism, deep in your heart you know that consciousness in creations could NOT have been a product of a cosmic accident.

If ANYTHING seem off about the Christian faith, I'll be willing to give LOGICAL explanations to them.

Faith is NOT Blind!
A blind Faith is a stupid faith.

Shalom!

What happens when Allah appears in a shape for which you Muslims do not recognize him!?"

What happens when the black stone cannot INTERCEDE for you as Muslims because it's only a STONE!?

My duty is to be a plain Warner to those who can think!

Of course, I won't confuse you with the truth: when you know the Truth, it sets you FREE

IMAliyu:
I see you tagged me, unfortunately these topics don't interest me.
Could it be a form of idolatry by Islam's own definition? probably. But I can't bring myself to care about it, and it seems practicing Muslims don't either.

I see no point in playing apologetics for a set of
beliefs that are unfalsifiable, nor do I hold to be true.

The topic was not posted to interest you. The topic is to make you review your beliefs!
It could be that the best of DECIEVERS have DECEIVED you.

When you know the Truth, the Truth set you free.

By their fruit, you shall know the false prophets!

I am only a Warner, to challenge you to look once again because FAITH is NOT blind!

IMAliyu:
Another mention.

Once again I'm uninterested in defending something I have no belief in.

Of course!
The chant of many Muslims is:
"Don't confuse me with the Truth because, I have made up my mind"!

I'm not surprised one bit.

Have a nice day!

LegalWolf:
LOL! Future Thief

You never cease to amaze me! Again, I would have taken you to the cleaners on this score. But the problem is - you will lie. You will forge a statement, put it in inverted comma and attribute it to me. Your logic will be shallow without exhibiting rigor or any scintilla of intelligence. You would not stand by your words! Oh my goodness, I wish there can be a public forum where we both will speak - something like a court where I can put you, yhwh and the NT into the witness box. I would so much love this.



But anyways, that is not the reason why I am here. When the fvckk are you going to forge a new thread for me?? I want you to fire your Russian 'ammunitions' against my Ukraine. You can't be lazy and yhwh will be lazy at the same time. It is grossly unacceptable!

You have 198 more to go, Fire this ammunition, please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here above is the BARK of a TOOTHLESS Dog!
LOL!

Lukuluku69:
Lol

You talked about my "courage" in the responses you got from me, my response was never as a result of my "courage". Not at all.

Most of what you think are difficult posers are not, but because you have a preconceived and closed mind mentality, you see them as such. While some are just mere academic excercises that requires no reapenses at but sympathy for the one doing the questioning.

There is nothing you put up that I can't answer.

So, you know Jesus name was never on any of those prophecies yet you believed he was the one that portion of the Bible is talking about? That makes you smart and the Jews who have been reading the same portion but said your Jesus is a fake one Dullards in your own view? Right?

The same way your Jesus was not mentioned by name is the same my Muhammad was not mentioned by name. The same way you read Jesus to the verses you quoted earlier because of his Life is the same way I read Muhammad into some Chapters and verses in the Bible because of the Life he lived and what he achieved with his mission

If only you quit with the abuse and closed mind mentality and she'd some of the hatred you have been fed with at your Seminaries and your Bible studies, I will engage you.

But that is far fetched because doing away with an age long prejudices is really a hard one

The Quran talked about Y'isa ibn Maryam as the Jewish Messiah and not a messiah who will come and die for what he knew not for if he knew he was coming to die, it is unnecessary for him to pray against such death, still cry and wail when the time comes for him to fulfill what his primary mission was.

I will gladly lay down my Life to save the World a zillion times over when I know I have God's assurance that I will rise up three days later! Just THREE DAYS! And he was crying and wailing!

LOL!
Have a nice day!

Lukuluku69:
I have read all the Chapter and verses you referenced up there but I didn't not see the name Jesus in any of them.

Also, the people who have been reading those Verses of the Old Testament are still waiting for "their" Messiah.

Who is in the wrong here? You or them considering the fact that you read the same Book but interpret it differently?

As your repeated question about if God want our worship or not, I think you should take your crusade to your fellow brethren "Worship" Centers and tell them that they have been wasting their time all these while. That Jehovah doesn't need their Worship but only need them to beautify creation only and he just want them to be pure, perfect as Him.

Also, make sure that all the references to "Worship" in your Bible are also edited to reflect what you have been telling me.

LOL!
Same reason why Mohammed's name is not found in the bible! LOL?!

Same reason YOU say Jesus is the Messiah and the Jews disagree! Are you saying that the Jews are correct?

I will agree with you Muslims that your Allah is so insecure to need RE-AFFIRMATION by you Muslims in your worship. Like you are to chant La illah ila lah everyday for Allah to feel secure. If you don't worship Allah five times a day, he would feel belittled and sad. He created you to worship him.


On this , till another time I drop my pen. But I must appreciate you for even the courage to respond partially to the questions! Till now, you haven't explained how
The Messiah is
1. A Human Prophet
2. The Word of Allah
3. The Spirit of Allah all at the same time.

Denoh68:
It doesn't make sense to say there are three co-equal and co-eternal god's,that are existing as one.

I agree with you: It is not normal for a single person to be fully a BODY (visible) and still fully a SOUL (invisible)!
SMH!

Lukuluku69:
Oga, I have an aversion for windy meaningless tirades. All that you have been posting are just concoctions in your head.

I prefer the hard solid facts not your conjectures.

That said, can you give me where in the Old Testament where it is said that Jesus is coming or where his coming was foretold.

Do that and leave all these copy and paste from the internet that you are doing.

Point me to a Chapter or Verses in the Old Testament that foretold the coming of Jesus.

Among several prophecies about the Messiah
Read
Is 53:1-12
Ps 22:1-31
Is 9:1-7

Does it mean you accept the other points except the fact that Jesus was foretold in the old testament: cause you didn't answer any of my questions?

I answered yours didn't I?
Now , answer mine!

1. You said: the verse on Mohammed getting paid for consultation was abrogated and I asked:

Who abrogated the law?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?
Evidence please!


2. Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

Lukuluku69:
You would do well to not clog your posts will meaningless additions here and there.

Keep it concise and short, you will see me responding but when you keep typing and typing as if a Keyboard resides in you, you will lose my attention.

So, to your question " why does God need us to worship him"? That question is loaded and I am watching Japan Vs Croatia now. I will try and answer it later.

Your analogy is at best laughable. Faith all over the world worship but you said worship is not necessary then what are you guys been doing in your Churches since Christ left?

I gave you a summary: you said you needed scriptures. I gave you more than enough scriptures you are now asking for a summary.

Okay!
Again I said:
For us as Christian, God created us to beautify ALL His creation. In human terms God created us to be like beautiful flowers in His garden. Our duty is to blossom in PURITY, FAITH and LOVE: thus being like our Father in heaven!
This is why we are called "Sons and Daughters of God" and the peak of God's creations!

Sons and Daughters of God would inherently worship God but this isn't the reason WHY they were created. Just like, we must all of Necessity eat and breathe but this is NOT the purpose of our creation.


And I asked the Question:
Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

Lukuluku69:
There is nothing you are saying here that wasn't said by people before. What you have up here is nothing but a rehash of the same old tripe of old.

To start with the Prophet integrity was never for once in doubt. His Arch enemies with worse vitrol than you collectively called him Al- Amin. Meaning the Truthful One. So, whatever you wish to say, no qualms. You own your words.

As for Lady Aisha, she was 9 when her Father gave her hand in marriage. According to the Semitic practice, the marriage is Legal and binding. Even in Europe till date, please find out the Marriageable age of the bride.

Do you want me to start pulling out hadiths that showed that Aisha married Mohammed at the age of six and Muhammad consummated the marriage at 9 years!?

What is pleasant and praiseworthy with collecting the wife of one's son?

What is praiseworthy with sleeping with ones housegirl on our wives matrimonial bed?

No matter how you paint it, these characters are NOT worth EMULATING!

Lukuluku69:
As for asking for Payment before seeing the Prophet ( though the verse was abrogated) Jesus too ask for Donation after preaching did he not? Why make fish of one and meqt of the other?

Who abrogated the law?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?
Evidence please!

Lukuluku69:
Your Jesus was a Jew, sent to Jews. We have said that many time here and I don't have to start all over again.

Mohammed was an Arab and sent to the Arabs. That was why the Qur'an was revealed in 7 Arabic dialects so that every Arab would understand.
(Surat ash-Shura, ayah 7)
Have you read this ayah before
And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, that you may warn the mother city (Makkah) and those around it, and that you may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire."

You are in Nigeria and not an Arab and not even close to Mecca!

Lukuluku69:
Why not let me ask you a question or two too?

Why did you believe in Jesus? What evidence do you have that he was a genuine Prophet of God?

1. He was backed up with EVIDENCES that He is a Prophet by miracles of Raising the Dead, Healing the Sick and Casting out Demons from People.
2. His character was perfect sinlessness. No single prophet except Him fulfills this
3. He lived what He taught His disciples. Examples, blessing and praying for those who persecuted and hated Him. He washed his disciples feet and taught us to do same to others.
4. The old testament prophets prophesied about Jesus as the Messiah so that we can know Him when the Messiah comes.
5. He guaranteed us Paradise where we'll be like angels neither marrying nor giving in marriage unlike Mohammed who promised a paradise of brothels. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life!
6. He died and rose up from the dead as the old testament prophets wrote about the Messiah!
7. He gives us His children born even 2000 years with His Spirit that we might serve Him. I am a direct witness of this bro!

HisSplendor:
I feel really blessed after reading this.

Indeed, I would have been what you just discribed. I probably would have become an alfa With 15 wives and 50 children completely alienated from the life of God which I now enjoy.

I give God all praise and all glory for using my father to guide me in the way of truth.

My dad invested his time and energy to guide all his children. He actually did it with over-dedication. He plainly didn't want any of his children to fall into his own errors. Oh, he taught us the truth with zeal in the most sacrificial manner.

Now of blessed memory, I give God all praise for such a wonderful man.

We praise and thank God for the gift of Faithful Fathers. I was in secondary school when dad got born again. He had always been a nice person, but as I came back from school, I could help but notice the difference in him. I am of the opinion that his new life was what also transformed my mum.

I pray the Lord gives us the grace to raise SONS and DAUGHTERS of God fully capable of defending the gates of the temple of the Lord in Purity, Faith and Love. Amen!

Man was created in God's image (His representative in the physical world)
Gen 1:27:
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

We are to be His children here on earth
2Cor 6:18:
"And will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, said the Lord Almighty."
We are created to be LIGHTS in the world
Mat 5:15-16:
"Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light to all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Mat 5:16:
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

Created to beautify the earth
Mat 5:45:
"That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

We are created to be perfect in Character and Love for God is Love?
Mat 5:48:
"Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

Lukuluku69:
Whether Allah/God Attributes are Eternal really is not my business. I am not Him, He is not Me! I am just His Handiwork. It doesn't change anything if I know or if I don't.

The Purpose of Creation in Islam is to WORSHIP. We worship Him Alone with our Actions, words, Life etc.

"I have not created the jinns and men but to worship Me.” (51:56)

If in Christianity it is not so, no problem. Hold on to that view.

I quoted the Quran on the Purpose of Creation , can you reference the Bible too to support God purpose of beautifying ALL of His Creation?

You didn't answer my major question.

I said:
For us as Christian, God created us to beautify ALL His creation. In human terms God created us to be like beautiful flowers in His garden. Our duty is to blossom in PURITY, FAITH and LOVE: thus being like our Father in heaven!
This is why we are called "Sons and Daughters of God" and the peak of God's creations!

And I asked the Question:
Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

Lukuluku69:
Your analogy about a Child prostrating every morning, afternoon and Evening makes me laugh really. Worship doesn't stop in posturing alone, it includes obidience to His Laws and ordinances, His Dos and Donts.

And Greeting doesn't mean worship, I do greet Neighbors and my Grandparents with prostrations, does it mean I am worshipping my Grandma?

I didn't use the word worship. No man should be worshipped. The nearest similarity to worship is greeting and obeying our parents:
And I asked:
How many responsible parent give birth to their children so that they can be greeted every morning, afternoon and night?

Lukuluku69:
Like I said, most of your posers/questions are offshoot of Grecian Philosophy. I hope you know that there are many Creation stories in other Scriptures of the world. They are not limited to the Bible and the Quran.

You hold true to what the abible says and others do same for their own Books. If I get you correctly, Be! was spoken and their qas Light and all other stuff but God made man from Dust of the ground and there was never any Be! for Adam to become what he became. That is your own point of view. You and I were never there, so whatever we discussed will just be an Academic excercise.

Of course you ask question/s bit once it is bothering on Nature of God, Islam says refrain (There is an Hadith on this).

God says belief in Me, He does that by appealing to our Intellect, our experiences, our Souls, the Nature around us, out community, our history but I have never seen nor read where it is said find out about my Nature, my Being. If you do the latter, you only open yourself to ridicule by those without Faith.

Jesus says ASK and you shall receive.
SEEK and you'll find
KNOCK and it would be opened unto you.

Only when you seek is WISDOM given unto you

Lukuluku69:
At the bolded, I accepted Prophet Muhammad to be a Prophet of God on so many score.

His Life, his works, his words and the outcome of his preachings. How it touched those who believed in him and how it transformed their Lives.

Not only that, many Scriptures written thousand and hundreds of years apart, from different Cultures and Civilizations affirmed and talked about the Last One. The Last One that will gathered Mankind under one Umbrella of Faith in the One True God The Creator of the Heavens and Earth and all that is in between.

How would a man who
1. His integrity was in question about a certain cloth that got missing after the battle of badr. I can't imagine Peter or John insinuating that Jesus stole a red cloth
2. His integrity is in question by marrying a six year old (something very uncommon even in his time), doing every form of sexual act with her without penetration and then penetrating her at the age of 9 years old.
3. Mohammed's integrity is at stake for recieving the satanic verses and mixed it up with the Qur'an until ridicule made him admit that Shaitan smuggled it into the Qur'an! I thought no one can make a Qur'an! Now we see that Satan made a perfect Qur'an that Mohammed couldn't detect.
4. Is it integrity to be caught sleeping with the slave girl of his wife on her matrimonial bed?
5. Is it integrity to sleep with a woman who you killed the husband less than 24 hours after the killing?
6. Is it integrity that your "son" cannot trust you with his wife except you use your office to take her away from him? (Zaid and Zainab comes to play)
7. Is it integrity of a prophet to be under the spell of black magic for several months of the year?
8. Is it integrity that a prophet says that "satan commands him only to do good!" Is that your prophet? How are you sure that the good in the Qur'an is not from Shaitan?
9. Is it integrity for a prophet to be saved by the Christians from his enemies while he was small and weak ONLY to wage war against these same Christians until they pay Jizya with humiliation?
10. Is it integrity when a prophet gives a law "supposedly from Allah" but he himself is above such laws? Why is Mohammad entitled to any believing woman who offer herself to him? Why is he not limited to four wives like every other good Muslims?
11. Till today, Muslims are confused about the Black stone only because Mohammad made the stone an INTERCESSOR for Muslims by Kissing it?
12. Mohammed is the only prophet I know who demands payment if a person want to enter into him (ask questions or make enquiries).

Why do you think God had to send the Messiah as
1. Holy even from the womb
2. The only partner with Allah in creation of living things
3. The word of Allah himself
4. The spirit of Allah himself
5. Who know what you have in your house
6. Who till today is still alive with Allah and would be coming back again to finish his work.
7. Why is the same person a Trinity of the Word, the Spirit and the Prophet
Of course, because Islam forbid Muslims to think, you'll have no answer.

Lukuluku69:
I don't know why you are so keen to know from me or what my views are about Allah's Attributes being Eternal. Really I don't get it.

If you say Allah is not Eternal, all well and good. That is your opinion. It doesn't make the stop the Sun from coming out and lighting up the Earth.

Since you don't know the answer, is it blasphemous to say that Allahs attributes are eternal?

Lukuluku69:
For those who believe to the contrary, no shaking. The Primary purpose of Creation, your creation, my creation is solely for the worship of God and be good to fellow Creatures. Once I can do that to the best of my ability, it is Allah's business if His Attributes are Eternal or not not mine and discussing such is an effort in futility.

This is where we differ again.

To us Christians, it is an insult to God for anyone to claim that the purpose for which God created us is to worship Him.

Since Islam forbid you from reasoning, let me spell it out for you.
1. God does not need us humans for ANYTHING, we are the ones who need things from Him!
2. God is sufficient by Himself not to need anyone for ANYTHING. Before God created ANYTHING, he had been God and after he created everything, He remains God.

Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

For us as Christian, God created us to beautify ALL His creation. In human terms God created us to be like beautiful flowers in His garden. Our duty is to blossom in PURITY, FAITH and LOVE: thus being like our Father in heaven!
This is why we are called "Sons and Daughters of God" and the peak of God's creations!

Why do you think a good independent parent have children? Is it so that the children every morning, afternoon and night GREET the parents with prostrations and kneeling down?

NNTR:
Red herring
If you chase two rabbits, you catch none

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

They are prone to digression and change of subject of discussion: very normal with them!

HisSplendor:
Yeah, in order to block them from coming in contact with the truth, they feed them from tender ages with words to hate Christians, hate the Bible and particularly take Paul the apostle as an enemy. Before they're grown up, they're already formed. It takes the Miraculous workings of the Holy Spirit for a Muslim to be delivered. I'm sure Speaklove can relate.

My dad was a Muslim. He became a Christian in 1981. I can remember how he weeps profusely whenever he sings any somg about the death of Christ and His resurrection. He was a very zealous Muslim who vehemently opposed the gospel just as these ones do here. He even converted many nominal Christians.

He was always regretting 'the wasted years he spent "serving a dead god".

The process you outlined above is spot on. We will not stop praying. Please keep on with the good works. Your reward is great in heaven.

Islam is indeed the work of the prince of this world. You are so blessed to have a Father that Christ saved before it was too late. Probably you too would have been chanting la illah illa la and slamming your head against the floor while reciting prayers in a language you don't understand.

Indeed, by grace we are saved through faith! It is certainly not of ourselves.

I pray that Muslims reading would be forced to think and reason the religion that forbid them asking questions.

More grace to you sir!

LegalWolf:
Hey Potential Thief TenQ

Today is a new day. I’ve rested well so have you. So when the fvck would you forge a new post for us??

Cc: Potential Thief TenQ

You don't have any contract with me: do you?

LegalWolf:
LOL!

No one stopped yhwh when he rested on the 7th day, so where do you have the moral ground to stop me from resting ?

Since the ball is in my court, let us roll the dice



Let us start from the first question reproduced below:

1. Is Prostitution remotely a moral act that God the Creator should approve for His people?

From the context provided to the questions, one may come to the conclusion that Mutah = Prostitution. Do you think Mutah and Prostitution is one and the same thing ?

cc: Potential Thief TenQ

You are the Muslim: try to enlighten us of the difference between Mutah and Prostitution

Lukuluku69:
You see all these suppositions of yours is of no consequence.

In the Bible, we read that Jehovah/Yahweh created Adam from Dust. Did he speak to the Dust and they start swirling around till Adam was formed? And after that what? Was there any other act done by Jehovah? When did that Dust got his breath from?

You see, this tendency to always want to rationalize, explain, ask meanginless question about the Nature of God's Creation came about when the Greeks became Christians.

The Bible NEVER at any point said that man was created by a command. In the bible, God took the dust of the ground to make man and breathe into it, and man became alive.

What I've shown you is that the Command BE is at variance with two other verses of the Qur'an where Allah made man with his two hands and used Mud to do so and then had to breathe a soul into man (three different activities that has nothing to do with the command "BE"!)

Lukuluku69:
The Jews with the Torah never embark on such ventures and sadly present day Christians as you inherited it and are now fine tuning it.

And tendencies as this is leading many away from Faith. Asking why this and why that destroys Nation in the past.

When the Bible says prove all things and hold that which is true, it was not talking about God's attributes nor his Creations, if you do that, then it will surely lead you to the Ultimate question: What is the Origin of the Creator Himself, does He have a beginning? These and many questions are what the Atheist will beat you with and believe me, no man of Faith can answer them!

Your position and posture with your poser leads to such

Since satan can sometimes even appear as angel of light, how do we distinguish without asking questions?

You will agree with me that if Mohammed has asked questions, the "satanic verses" would not have been accidentally accepted as quran.

Interestingly, asking questions has helped me to comprehend the work and plan of God for humanity and specifically myself. There is justification for EVERYTHING that God has done isn't it?

If you don't ask questions, how can you conclude that there is one Allah and Mohammed is his prophet?

How do you know that Mohammed is the Prophet of Allah?

LegalWolf:
Lol

If we assume the Bible to be true, and Jesus actually spoke in John 8:44, then your father - the devil, actually knows his son. At least, I am not the one whose native language is lying. You cannot even deny that you forged a statement. Caught you lying on countless occasions because it is your mother tongue. Even on this thread, you cannot stand by every word you say. LOL! Your father the Satan must actually be proud of you.

I was even willing to take on the cloak of a Shia Ayatollah and turn a blind eye to your past. All I needed was your commitment that you will stand by every word you say. Fiam, you bolted like a potential thief and the son of Satan that you are. I have given you more attention than you deserve, let me face my beloved NNTR that wants to learn

The Questions had been staring at you in the face till now as usual.


The QUESTIONS FOR LEGALWOLF
1. Is Prostitution remotely a moral act that God the Creator should approve for His people?

2. Can Muslims show us if Allah at any time abrogated the law of Mutah?

3. How come Mohammed or any Caliph has the power to Abrogate or Overrule the eternal words of Allah in the Qur'an?
(Is it that Mohammed or the Caliphs knows better than Allah?)

4. If Allah can allow Prostitution for any reason whatsoever, how can Muslims be sure that he is not aka Satan? (Is this behaviour consistent with the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David?)

Lukuluku69:
Of course I am Muslim.

So what exactly did the Prophet say about ibn Abass Tafsir? Did he say Ibn Abbas Tafsir take precedent over the Quran or the Hadiths?

Your prophet never said that the hadith takes precedence over the Qur'an. Mohammed only prayed to Allah to grant Ibn Abbas wisdom and knowledge of the Qur'an. And the sahabas attests to his deep knowledge of interpreting the Qur'an.

Lukuluku69:
I am. Not restricting you to other sources. No, I am not doing that, what I meant to point out to you is the fact that when you present your evidences, try as much as possible to appeal the the Quran and the Hadiths. Human commentaries are sometimes subject to err and ate sometimes subject to different Agenda and I am not after anyone's agenda. This you can see with different Translations and different versions of your own Book the Bible.

I use mostly the Hadiths and the Qur'an. My use of Tafsirs is not as much but I do use them though. In my last post I used 2 Quranic verses, 6 Hadiths and only 2 Tafsirs.

Lukuluku69:
What are the attributes of Allah to start with? This you can find in the Muslims' Ninety Nine Names of Allah. He the Seeing, The Hearing, The Merciful, The Forgiving, The Patient, The Destroyer, The Creator and so on.

Asking me if Allah can exist without His attributes or exist without being the Almighty is kinda of funny. Knowing such or the lack of knowledge thereof doesn't in any remove fact that He is what He is. He doesn't affect my Faith and this kind of excercise is in futility.

What has my knowledge of Allah attributes being ETERNAL or not go to do with what we are discussing?

Allah is As-Samad The Eternal Absolute. So? Read the Quran, He said He is Eternal. Why are you asking me again?

And talking about Taqiya or whatever you call it, I don't have to stretch anything, I tell you the much I know, you tell me the much you know, it is left for me, for you to accept or reject. I don't tell LIES to abound God's Glory as Apostle Paul did.

I'm sure there is no doubt that God is eternal: the question was, Are God's attributes also eternal or not!
Some of the attributes of Allah are found in the 99 names of Allah isn't it? If they are names of Allah, they must be eternal. As an example, The mightyness of Allah did not start later as Allah had ALWAYS been mighty . The knowledge of Allah did not start at a point as he has ALWAYS been perfect in knowledge.

Don't you Muslims say that the Qur'an is the eternal words of Allah kept in heaven!?

The Question is:
Can Allah remain remain Allah without his attributes?

You know the answer: it is impossible!

It is simple logic EXCEPT Allah is not eternal. If Allah has no beginning nor an end, then his attributes have no beginning nor end.
There is no need burying the head like an ostrich!

Are you not a true Muslim?
You are to be guided by the Qur'an, the Hadiths, the Sunnah .
What did prophet Mohammad say about Ibn Abbas with respect to knowledge of the Tafsir of the Qur'an? Should you muslims ignore the prayer of your prophet?

Don't restrict me to using any of your books: they are your religious books aren't they?.
If Hadiths and Tafsirs are bad, why do you Muslims use them at all?

Lukuluku69:
I do not know whether the Word of Allah, The Spirit of Allah nor the Power of Allah are Divine or Terrestrial.

So, I won't be able to answer that question of yours but if you see anywhere in the Quran or Haditha where it say such, bring it and let us see.

And please don't quote the words of any Mallam or Tafsir. It should be from the Quran or Hadiths.

Honestly, This is Taqqiyya from you!

You don't know if the attributes of Allah are eternal!?

Is it possible for Allah to exist without his attributes and still be Almighty Allah?
Are the attributes of Allah existing before Allah?

Tell me again by Allah that you do NOT know if the attributes of Allah are eternal or not!

Lukuluku69:
Read some more and you will find the part where Adam was created by the Word "Be"!

I told you that the Quran says " the likeness of Isa and Adam is in the Word "Be!

I need not quote it since you know your way around the Quran. Search some more. And like I told you, use the Quran to run a commentary on it.

Most of your posers are not really posers for you will readily find your answers in the Book!

"Surely, in the sight of Allah, the similitude of the creation of Jesus is as the creation of Adam whom He created out of dust, and then said: 'Be', and he was" Quran 3:59

You are not getting the point. If Allah created ANYTHING by the Command BE, he needn't do ANYTHING thing before or after to make that thing EXIST!

Of I say that Allah gave me the the power to speak a vehicle into existence but you saw me welding, grinding and screwing metals together, would you agree with me that I have the power of Allah to speak into existence a vehicle?

Allah says in creating Adam
1. He used his two hands to create him
2. He used clay to make him
3. Then he blew into Adam a soul!

Later we hear that Allah says BE (Qur'an 3:59) and Adam was: this is either an error or contradiction.


Let me give you an example of BE in creation.
Gen 1:3,11:
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. … And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth: and it was so."

Lukuluku69:
And if you have not find where Angel Jibril was called a "Spirit" then you need more readings for Jubril was called Rouh Namis ( Spirit of Truth)

I know of
Rūḥ al-qudus AND Ar-rūḥ al-amin in the Qur'an and[b] I challenge you to show me just one verse[/b] in the Qur'an that says that the Ruh is Jubril.

Secondly, look at the verse below and show me it makes sense when we substitute Ruh with Jubril.

Qur'an 21:91
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit Jubril , and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Did Jubril ENTER INTO Mary?

The answer to this prove beyond doubt whether this Ruh is Jubril or not!

Lukuluku69:
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Asking me if the Word of Allah is Divine or Terrestrial or the Spirit of Allah is Divine or terrestrial is a bit blasphemous.
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It is not blasphemous one bit.

If the Word of Allah, the Spirit of Allah, the Power of Allah or the knowledge of Allah are ALL ATTRIBUTES of Allah, are they Terrestrial or Devine?

It is the answer you give that makes it blasphemous or not blasphemous: isn't it?

It's the same way I rationalize the bible. God has not called us to blind Faith. The Bible says that we should TEST ALL SPIRITS whether they be of God or not.

Lukuluku69:
First of, I have a Phobia for your kind of long reads. Long windy write-ups are a turn off for me. Try to be concise.

I guess you have not come across the verse " the likeness of Jesus is like that of Adam we created him and say Be! and he was"!

You see there is a challenge here, try as much as possible to use the Quran as commentary of the Quran and you won't have the kind of issues you are having. A "Spirit" can also mean a Prophet, an Angel. So, a "Spirit" from Alllah (Arabic Rouh) can also mean a "Prophet"

If you want to confirm this, open your Bible and read the description of the "Cormfoter" that will come after Jesus. He/it was called The Spirit of Truth.

Like I told you, Jesus came to be by the "Word of Allah" of Be! ( Kun fa ya Kun) that is the way the Quran potrays it. Whatever meaning you read into it is yours only.

And if you have not find where Angel Jibril was called a "Spirit" then you need more readings for Jubril was called Rouh Namis ( Spirit of Truth)

Asking me if the Word of Allah is Divine or Terrestrial or the Spirit of Allah is Divine or terrestrial is a bit blasphemous.

I don't know what you intend to gain with it but one thing I know is that, that attitude is an offshoot of early Grecian Christians habit of rationalizing everything as their philosophy taught them. The wherefores ( Whys) will only lead you astray the more. If it is not in the scriptures don't bother your head asking for if it was necessary God's Prophets would have talked about it.

Okay, one at a time

1. You said Adam was created by BE, but I am showing you by the Qur'an it isn't true.
Qur'an 38:75
(Allah) said: "O Iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?"

Allah created Adam with his two hands and not BE!

Qur'an 38:71-74
“[So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, ‘Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay. So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.’ So the angels prostrated – all of them entirely. Except Iblees; he was arrogant and became among the disbelievers.”

Here from the Qur'an, Adam was not created from BE. Adam was created first from clay and then Allah breath into him.

Is this a contradiction with creation by BE?

Answering my questions would have led you to the truth!

Lukuluku69:
When Adam died, did the Word of Allah died?

The "Word" of Allah in this case is the word "Be" that created Jesus in his mother's womb.

The Spirit" of Allah in this case is the Angel that he was strengthen with while he trekked Judea

Oga, use the Quran to run a commentary on the Quran not your whims and deceitful play with words.

First, I must appreciate you for having the courage to even attempt to answer this question.

First, I must make a few corrections:
1. Adam wasn't created by kufayakun "BE"!

i. According to Islamic sources, was Adam not created in time space of 40 years by Allah?
How then can Adam be created by "BE"?
ii. Did Allah not says in the Qur'an that he created Adam with his two hands? So when was the "BE"?
iii. When did Allah say "BE" to Adam? Was it before or after he blew a soul into Adam?
iv. If Adam was created from mud, how can he still be made by "BE"?

You will note that once you answer these four questions truthfully, you will conclude without an iota of doubt that Adam was not created by "BE"!

2. Jesus also did not become flesh by kufayakun "BE"!

i. According to the Qur'an, Jubril an angel (holy spirit) created Jesus BY blowing into Mary's private part!
ii. Did Jesus come to being before or after Jubril blew into Mary? What then was the purpose of blowing if Jesus was to be created by "BE"?

3. Adam is NOT the Word of Allah only Jesus was called "word of Allah". If Adam was ALSO a Word of/from Allah, can you provide EVIDENCES?

4. If Jesus is a Human being like you, me and prophet Muhammad, how is He a Spirit from Allah?
(Does Islam teach that Muslims are also spirits?)



So, back to your questions

Lukuluku69:
When Adam died, did the Word of Allah died?

Adam was NEVER called nor equated to be the Word of Allah. When Adam died, on earth, he became lifeless , his body rot and decayed

Lukuluku69:
The "Word" of Allah in this case is the word "Be" that created Jesus in his mother's womb.

I think I've shown you that Allah or Jubril NEVER said "BE"! Instead, Jubril was blowing into Mary's vag1na private part. Is blowing the same thing as commanding?

Lukuluku69:
The Spirit" of Allah in this case is the Angel that he was strengthen with while he trekked Judea

Read the Qur'an properly Jesus was "a Spirit" from Allah not Jubril. You are quoting another verse which says that Jesus was strengthened with the Holy Spirit (unfortunately, there is no where in the Qur'an where Jubril was called the Holy Spirit: not one single place).

Qur'an 4:171
O people of the Book! Do not exceed the bounds in your religion, and do not attribute anything to Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only an apostle of Allah , and His Word that He cast toward Mary and a spirit from Him. So have faith in Allah and His apostles, and do not say, ‘[God is] a trinity.’ Relinquish [such a creed]! That is better for you. Allah is but the One God. He is far too immaculate to have any son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth, and Allah suffices as trustee.
Here , Jesus is an Apostle AND Allah's Word AND Allah's Spirit.

Secondly, if your statement is true about Jesus needing Jubril to treked to Judea, did Jubril also helped his disciples to do the trekking? LOL!

Lukuluku69:
Oga, use the Quran to run a commentary on the Quran not your whims and deceitful play with words.

I usually use your Hadiths and your Tafsirs to run commentaries on the Qur'an.

But I honestly appreciate your civil response and objection to my post.

I'll be expecting your response!

But then, you still need to answer my set of previous questions:
Is the Word of Allah Devine or terrestrial?
Is the Spirit of Allah Devine or terrestrial?

When Jesus died, did the Word of Allah die?
When Jesus died, did the spirit of Allah die?

HisSplendor:
Islam is a satanic stronghold in the minds of its adherents that makes them allergic to Truth.

Even when faced with biblical reality, their minds suddenly shuts down, and then a hateful emotion erupts with unexplainable anger that could make them murder you if they see you face to face..

Slaves they are ińdeed. They need to be delivered. Once free, they usually value their freedom. You only need to see the zeal of a newly converted Muslim to know this.

But we must also try to separate between the satanic institution (Islam) and the Victims (Muslims). Muslims need every help one can give to a sick person. The mental and spiritual enslavement is deep.
Right from birth, they've been inoculated against the gospel.

If I was born in a Muslim family except for grace, the gospel would have also being my Enemy.

Reaching Muslims is multi-step process
1. Cause them to look inward to look at the true colour of Islam.
When they are broken by the truth proceed
2. Explain the Gospel and the plan of salvation to them.
When they understand proceed
3. Invite them to accept the Messiah and His Grace.
When this is done, proceed
4. Connect them to a living church AND a network of serious believers where the learn to grow in faith and purity.


All the above done prayerfully and in Christ's might.

VictorDivine:
Go back to pre-school to learn reading comprehension.

Ignored!

Karnice600:
What you now know about their weapon capabilities is what they want you to know. Simple.

It is enough information to the wise!
Simple!