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Christianity Etc › Re: A Question JW Cannot Answer by TenQ(op): 11:23am On Nov 23, 2022

LegalWolf:
Lol, I’m tongue-tied because our God is not blood thirsty to the extent of requiring blood be sprinkled on unclean people, demanding the shedding of blood in order forgive. Or is HE?

The problem is: I think you see this as a personal attack. But I’m only here to free your mind from delusions not to attack you. Why would I?

Are you of truth or you want to win an argument?

So, is this how we will also end Chapter 4 of Genesis with no sensible explanation on how sacrifices is done to yhwh, or how there is no forgiveness from yhvh without shedding of blood? Really TenQ?

If there is no sensible explanation as to these weighty allegations, we will wait till your next thread then. So let me go and REST, but this time not from work .

Adieu Potential Thief TenQ

Answer the Questions if you are NOT tongue tied.

LegalWolf, a great Pathological LIAR and DECEITFUL personality you are!

QUESTION:
1. Did or did not Allah command Ibrahim to do EBO/sacrifice with his son for him?
2. Is Qurban obligatory for you or not Mr LegalWolf as a Muslim?
3. Is it TRUE or FALSE that Allah prescribes for you a YEARLY EBO sacrifice like obatala worshippers with Ram, Sheep, Cows and even Carmel s etc

So Mr LegalWolf, you have to choose ONE or BOTH of the two options below that corresponds to you
a. You are you incredibly DUMB and IGNORANT of Islam
b. You are a Pathological LIAR who knows the truth but cannot help but speaks lies anytime you speak.

Why are you tongue-tied?

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Question JW Cannot Answer by TenQ(op): 7:17am On Nov 23, 2022

LegalWolf:
Lol Potential Thief

After all your long and irrelevant epistle, you still did not dispute how sacrifice was done to yhwh, or did you? Is it flawed logic that sacrifices is done by sprinkling blood on people as one would expect worshippers of Satan to do? Is it flawed logic when the Bible said without the shedding of blood, there’s no forgiveness.? . The book of Hebrews Chapter 9 is clear potential thief!

Potential thief TenQ, I want to assume that even Esu is not as blood-thirsty as yhwh. No sane human will worship a god (mind you - a lazy ass one for that matter) that loves blood so much!

You have just gone ahead to start mumbling rubbish that we have heard before. Lol! Remember, we are still in Genesis. We’ve covered chapters 1, 2, (deliberately skipped 3) and now we are in 4 - about sacrifices to yhwh. LOL! Hope you would retain your sanity before the end of Genesis?

For your information: A potential thief like you has no moral right to ask me questions on faith. . Please refer to the books of Hebrews and defend your blood sucking god!

LegalWolf, a great Pathological LIAR and DECEITFUL personality you are!

QUESTION:
1. Did or did not Allah command Ibrahim to do EBO/sacrifice with his son for him?
2. Is Qurban obligatory for you or not Mr LegalWolf as a Muslim?
3. Is it TRUE or FALSE that Allah prescribes for you a YEARLY EBO sacrifice like obatala worshippers with Ram, Sheep, Cows and even Carmel s etc

So Mr LegalWolf, you have to choose ONE or BOTH of the two options below that corresponds to you
a. You are you incredibly DUMB and IGNORANT of Islam
b. You are a Pathological LIAR who knows the truth but cannot help but speaks lies anytime you speak.

Why are you tongue-tied?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Which Day Is Sabbath? Saturday Or Sunday? by TenQ: 6:06am On Nov 23, 2022

PoliteActivist:
See this one. This is what happens when you try to twist something straight forward to fit something else - you confuse yourself.
Jews have all sorts of laws and traditions, some evolved over time, some were given by their priests. Moses was given TEN commandments
CLEARLY, what we are discussing here is the DAY of rest that is one of those commandments!
And here you are, deceptively trying to conflate that straightforward commandment with Jewish laws and traditions!

After the lecture, have you considered if you obeyed ALL the Sabbath or not?

Are you guilty?

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Question JW Cannot Answer by TenQ(op): 6:04am On Nov 23, 2022

LegalWolf:
LOL! When does a potential thief have the moral ground to call me a liar? Are you not a potential Thief? Or would you tell me that you did not forge a statement, put in inverted comma and ascribed it to me? Do you want to lie again, future Thief?

Thank you again for citing Quran 22:34. Probably, the version of the Quran I have omitted that particular verse, ka gane? At least, and as you have quoted, the verse only tells us that the name of Allah (SWT) should be pronounced over the cattle he has provided people with? Is that not correct? Now let us take a look at what the Bible tells us how sacrifice is done:

The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. . Hebrews 9:13

Down the same chapter this is what we read:

In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. . Hebrews 9:22

These are not the words of LegalWolf, Potential Thief TenQ . Your god yhwh is completely indistinguishable from Esu or Obatala that requires the blood of animals to sanctify people . He is a thirsty blood sucking lazy ass weakling. Again, your god yhwh takes rituals EXACTLY the same way Obatala or Esu would love it in order to sanctify those that are unclean. I am just curious: could you let me know if the sacrifices are placed in oritameta too?

And that brings me to a very important question: In view of how sacrifice is done above, does that means Jesus being used as a sacrificial lamb was incorrectly done?? The reason for this is because his blood was not sprinkled on you or the billions of Christians or even the few disciples he had. Despite the fact that you have been caught for forgery, can you truthfully and honestly answer this question on Jesus sacrifice?

Sometimes I wonder if you are this incredibly DUMB or a compulsive pathological LIAR who feel that we don't (know) anything about his religion or BOTH. LOL

cc: Potential Thief TenQ

How can I ever be wrong about LegalWolf? Predictably naive and dumb at the same time.
You just realized your terrible DECEIT or LIES and totally IGNORED as Usual my Questions as predicted by changing reasserting his Flawed position like his prophet of noble character who took over his sons wife for himself by the permission and help of Allah. The only prophet in the history of Prophethood who was accused of STEALING a garment (underwear!?)

I heard that Allah succeeded in tempting LegalWolf with a minimum of 70 perpetual virgins in paradise, an orgasm that would last 70 earth years, 3D playboy magazine where LEGALWOLF can choose a picture image to have sex with. What do you expect from an agent of Satan who wanted to attack the Romans because they had blonde girls.

Stop being a CLOWN and Answer my Questions .
Islam is FULL of Dirty events.

I can confirm that you are incredibly DUMB or a compulsive pathological LIAR who feel that we don't anything about his religion or BOTH.

As usual of Muslims, they don't answer even the simplest question about their faith because they have only memorised without reasoning and the FEAR of their stack of LIES crashing down over them is too real to them
QUESTION:
1. Did or did not Allah command Ibrahim to do EBO with his son for him?
2. Is Qurban obligatory for you or not Mr LegalWolf as a Muslim?
3. Is it TRUE or FALSE that Allah prescribes for you a YEARLY EBO sacrifice like obatala worshippers with Ram, Sheep, Cows and even Carmel s etc

So Mr LegalWolf, you have to choose ONE or BOTH of the two options below that corresponds to you
a. You are you incredibly DUMB and IGNORANT of Islam
b. You are a Pathological LIAR who knows the truth but cannot help but speaks lies anytime you speak.

Over to you!
Escape as usual!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Which Day Is Sabbath? Saturday Or Sunday? by TenQ: 8:17pm On Nov 22, 2022

PoliteActivist:
1. No I'm not aware several types of Sabbath exist.
I thought God commanded rest on Saturday and that was that!

2. Please let's hear it: what are the four types?

Let me give you the response I gave someone on NL on similar issue

The Jews had more than one kind of Sabbath.
a. Weekly Sabbath
b. Annual Sabbath
c. Seven Year Sabbath
d. Seventy Year Sabbath

There are actually seven kinds of Annual Sabbath that the Children of Israel celebrate. All thse are called HIGH SABBATH (Special Sabbath)
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sabbaths

Examples apart from the Seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) :
i. Passover (the 14th of Nisan)
ii. Feast of Unleavened Bread, a holiday which is always observed on the 15th day of the month of Nisan
iii. Feast of First Fruits which was held on the Sunday following the Passover.
iv. Feast of Tabernacles

The day of Preparation is any day before a Sabbath.

Vadict:
Mark and John specified that Jesus was crucified on the day of Preparation (before Sabbath without specifying the kind of Sabbath).

John specified that the Sabbath was on a High Day (high Sabbath). This Sabbath was NOT the Weekly Sabbath but the Annual Sabbath. Jesus was crucified a day before the Annual Sabbath (Day of Preparation)
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2. Jesus was said to have died just before Sabbath day (Saturday) which is Friday!

Response:
As explained above, the Day of Preparation was a Day before the High Sabbath NOT the Weekly Sabbath.

The High Sabbath Fell on a Friday (Thursday evening to Friday according to Jewish reconning of days), thus Jesus was crucified on a Thursday Morning and was buried before Thursday Evening.

3. High Sabbath is the day two festivals were celebrated on a single day.

Response:
No sir. A high Sabbath is ANY of the seven Annual Sabbaths of Israel even though, sometimes it falls on a weekly Sabbath

See Attachments!

4. It was impossible for Jesus to die of his two legs were not broken.
Response:
I laugh in Swahili and Turkish language.

A. Jesus said:
John 10:17-18:
"Therefore does my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

In other words, Jesus gave up his spirit when He knew the Atonement it was completed.

Luk 23:46:
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into your hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

B. Have you ever heard that two men were fighting and one slumped and died even when no weapon was used?
Time of use and the nature instrument of punishment does not determine how fast a person would die from his injury.
C. Jesus was Arrested on Wednesday night and tried overnight till Thursday morning in three different locations before being crucified about 9:00 am Thursday morning. He didn't rest throughout the night before he was crucified. This was probably why he couldn't carry his cross and this had to be helped by Joseph of Arimathea

FINALLY:
Why do you think the Women came to anoint the Body of Jesus on Sunday and not Thursday, Friday or Saturday?

Jesus was buried just before the high Sabbath on Thursday Evening therefore there was tp time to anoint his dead body properly for his burial. The High Sabbath commenced from the evening of Thursday to the Evening of Friday (according to the Jews reconning of days).

Therefore, Jesus body could not be anointed properly for burial. By Friday evening, the Weekly Sabbath commenced till Saturday evening so, the body still couldn't be anointed. Thus, very early Sunday morning, the women went to anoint the body of Jesus.

Mar 16:1-2:
"And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came to the sepulcher at the rising of the sun."

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Question JW Cannot Answer by TenQ(op): 7:47pm On Nov 22, 2022

Opening:
Qur'an 22:34
For every people We have laid down a ritual of sacrifice (- although the purpose of the ritual is the same -) that they pronounce the name of Allah over the cattle He has provided them. Your Lord is One God; so submit yourselves to Him alone. And give, (O Prophet), glad tidings to those that humble themselves (before Allah),

Parhaps LegalWolf has never read his Qur'an because of Arabic memorisation devoid of understanding especially of the verse above

Christians do not avoid or dodge answering questions unlike you Muslims whose multiple stack of lies are undefendable. Indeed without lies, Islam crumbles.

The Answer to your Question:
It is not strange for Allah/Satan and their followers to try in copying and imitating the spiritual mysteries of God such as Worship, Atonement and Sacrifice. So, it is not strange that Obatala or Esu or Allah's worshipers do similar ordinances.

LegalWolf:
Hey Potential Thief TenQ

I admit to being a baby lawyer (LOL! Only if you know me). However, to the best of my knowledge, I am unlike your braggadocious rapist defending lawyer-friend. Bear in mind that birds of a feather flock together. Ohhh I forgot, how is he? I have asked you about him on several occasions without getting a feedback. Is he still using technicality (or should I call it pure lying) to defend rapists? You know you will need his services when your full potentials eventually materializes...as future Tony Anenih na

One question troubles me: how come you have no issue with the fact that 'Ebo' was made to yhwh in Gen 4:4? In my view, that is exactly the same way Obatala and Esu worshippers sacrifice to their Gods. You have never made any comment on that, or have you?

'But as usual, I expect that you won't know the answer to any question!' If you do, please state it here. If not, I won't bother responding to you as I will wait to see where your next delusions would take you to. Apparently, yhwh has sent delusions to you too like he will to the lawless ones 2 Thessalonians 2:11

cc: Potential Thief TenQ

Sometimes I wonder if you are this incredibly DUMB or a compulsive pathological LIAR who feel that we don't anything about his religion or BOTH.

As usual of Muslims, they don't answer even the simplest question about their faith because they have only memorised without reasoning and the FEAR of their stack of LIES crashing down over them is too real to them
QUESTION:
1. Did or did not Allah command Ibrahim to do EBO with his son for him?
2. Is Qurban obligatory for you or not Mr LegalWolf as a Muslim?
3. Is it TRUE or FALSE that Allah prescribes for you a YEARLY EBO sacrifice like obatala worshippers with Ram, Sheep, Cows and even Carmel s etc

So Mr LegalWolf, you have to choose ONE or BOTH of the two options below that corresponds to you
a. You are you incredibly DUMB and IGNORANT of Islam
b. You are a Pathological LIAR who knows the truth but cannot help but speaks lies anytime you speak.

Over to you!
Escape as usual!

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Business › Re: Banks Have Stopped Giving Dollars. What is Your Experience? by TenQ: 4:51pm On Nov 22, 2022

HAH:
Is Nigeria currency dollar that you save in it ? What you do is called economic sabotage, you earn in naira then you convert and save in dollar thereby eroding the value of the naira

This is economic sense to protect your hard-earned money.

The government is doing everything thing to devalue the Naira, should I not protect my money? Inflation is at runaway stage.

Abegi!

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Business › Re: Banks Have Stopped Giving Dollars. What is Your Experience? by TenQ: 4:44pm On Nov 22, 2022

telim:
the issue is from your bank. I sent about 250 usd to dedipath and digital ocean to clear pending server payment and the transaction was smooth without any issue.

If I get hardmirror correct, the issue is in withdrawing DOLLARS in CASH from your Dom Account.

I believe one should be able to make electronic transactions.

Actually, with the way Nigerian economy is managed, it won't be long when you can't withdraw your dollar as cash but only in Naira

Christianity Etc › Re: A Question JW Cannot Answer by TenQ(op): 4:38pm On Nov 22, 2022

LegalWolf:
Story! Potential Thief

When should we be expecting your Epistle to the LegalWolvians? And in how many parts would it be? Would it it be two like Corinthians or what?

cc: Future Thief TenQ

Cry-Cry Weeping Baby Lawyer LegalWolf,
I will oblige you with one that has to do with law if you can keep up. But as usual, I expect that you won't know the answer to any question!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Which Day Is Sabbath? Saturday Or Sunday? by TenQ: 4:35pm On Nov 22, 2022

PoliteActivist:
Question is, when was it ordained by God. If Saturday, why then do we rest on Sundays?

1. Are you aware that several kinds of Sabbath exist?
2. Do you keep all in the four categories of Sabbath?

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Question JW Cannot Answer by TenQ(op): 2:14pm On Nov 22, 2022

LegalWolf:
Hey Potential Thief TenQ

What the hell is taking you so long to write a new thread and invite me?

Remember, you said I don't need to respond to a post of yours till another topic . Now I am asking you again: when are you going to INVITE me to another topic? Or are you RESTING too? LOL! Future Tony Anenih

Anyways, not that I will dignify a potential thief with engagements. I'm just curious on what you have up your sleeves this time around. Till then potential thief

Dear Cry-Cry Weeping Baby Lawyer LegalWolf,
Let the ones I've posted haunt your conscience!

You've not even answered the basic question of Why you and your Prophet INVOKE the black stone by touching, kissing or pointing to it!
If Allah is the only one who can absolve a person of sin, how come the Blackstone is sharing in Allah's majestic attribute of forgiveness.

Is Allah aka Blackstone?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Which Day Is Sabbath? Saturday Or Sunday? by TenQ: 2:03pm On Nov 22, 2022

PoliteActivist:
What sort of convoluted answer is this?

Sabbath actually means REST or HOLIDAY CELEBRATION

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Christianity Etc › Re: Which Day Is Sabbath? Saturday Or Sunday? by TenQ: 1:32pm On Nov 22, 2022

Teebouye995:
A lot of people, most especially christains do not know which day sabbath falls on between Saturday and Sunday?

Give ur answers backed up with reasons.

Are you aware that there are several kinds of Sabbath in the bible?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Thou Shall Not Kill But God Sent His Son To Be Killed? by TenQ: 7:25am On Nov 22, 2022

AntiChristian:
I will soon deny you the attention you seek! Then you'll know you're worthless!

Thank you.
If you didn't ask a question to Christians I wouldn't have responded!

Have a nice day then!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Thou Shall Not Kill But God Sent His Son To Be Killed? by TenQ: 6:41am On Nov 22, 2022

AntiChristian:
Unholy devil!

TenQ is your nemesis!
LOL!

Call me whenever you have the answers!

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Travel › Re: Which Country Will You Not Go To Even If Given Residence Permit? by TenQ: 11:40pm On Nov 21, 2022

APC2:
Which country you will not like to go to even if you are given permanent residence permit, work permit or given citizenship status?

For me, I will not go to Kiribati, Nauru and Niue even if I'm granted citizenship status

North Korea
Afghanistan

Christianity Etc › Re: Thou Shall Not Kill But God Sent His Son To Be Killed? by TenQ: 11:29pm On Nov 21, 2022

AntiChristian:
Why are you guys so daft to always created your thread on others?

Is that a Holy spirit thing?

You asked a question which shows that you are extremely shallow in the Knowledge of the religion of Abraham , Ishaq and Yakub. The questions I asked are elementary background you need to know before you'll be able to comprehend scriptural answers to your question!

1. Did Allah ask Ibrahim to murder his son for him as a sacrifice?
2. Who commands for a sacrifice as an act of worship to the prophets, is it Shaitan or Allah AND for what purpose is sacrifice in the religion of Moses?
3. Can Allah kill a man? If YES, Is it possible that Allah can commit murder?

Quran10:94
If you (people ) have any doubt about what We have revealed to you (about the Day of Judgment and other matters of belief), ask those who read the Book that was revealed (to the Prophets who lived) before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord. Thus, do not doubt it (in your heart),

If you don't know basic arithmetic, how can you understand calculus?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Thou Shall Not Kill But God Sent His Son To Be Killed? by TenQ: 8:00pm On Nov 21, 2022

AntiChristian:
Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 40 – 41 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

In the book of Exodus 20 verse 13, God ordered:
"Thou shall not KILL"

It is preposterous to believe that God who asked us not to kill would decide to give us salvation only if we kill Jesus.

*If everyone wants to keep God's commandment and the supposed executioners of Jesus also decided not to kill, who would kill Jesus? Would Jesus then commit suicide in a bid to save people from their sins?

*Why must God be so pleased when some group of people disobey him by killing someone so he would be able to save and grant us salvation, not even anyone but his supposed only begotten son?

*Since God is powerful, loving, and merciful, why not just have compassion on us without a bloody sacrifice?
*No one has done Christians much good as Judas. If there was no Judas, Jesus would not be arrested, if not arrested, he would not be crucified, if not crucified, Christians would not have salvation (in their illusion), why then do Christians not name their children Judas?

Finally, we read in Matthew 12:31:
"Wherefore I (Jesus) say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the holy ghost shall not be forgiven unto men"

Now, If Jesus a supposed perfect master died for the sins of humanity but it does not cover any sin against the holy spirit, then the sacrifice of Jesus is not perfect.

* How could Jesus a supposed perfect master carry out an imperfect sacrifice masterminded by a perfect creator?

*Jesus is said to be the lamb of God, he was said to have sacrificed himself on the cross around age 33, what do you call a 33-year-old lamb?Make no mistake, Jesus was sent only to the people of Israel, he didn't die for the sins of humanity and he never even died. God willing, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God is coming back.

Buy "Truth For The Truth Seekers" on Amazon

Let's unveil the folly of your question!

1. Did Allah ask Ibrahim to murder his son for him as a sacrifice?
2. Who commands for a sacrifice as an act of worship to the prophets, is it Shaitan or Allah AND for what purpose is sacrifice in the religion of Moses?
3. Can Allah kill a man? If YES, Is it possible that Allah can commit murder?

Quran10:94
If you (people ) have any doubt about what We have revealed to you (about the Day of Judgment and other matters of belief), ask those who read the Book that was revealed (to the Prophets who lived) before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord. Thus, do not doubt it (in your heart),

The problem of you Muslims is that you have no understanding of What Sin and the nature of SIN means.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Can I Find Christmas In The Bible? (100 Euro Reward) by TenQ: 7:45pm On Nov 21, 2022

AntiChristian:
I think I've answered you well enough!

No sir, you didn't!
Not withstanding,
I still wish you a beautiful night rest!

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Can I Find Christmas In The Bible? (100 Euro Reward) by TenQ: 7:39pm On Nov 21, 2022

AntiChristian:
I don't have time to waste on threads with you!

Just cool that everything most things available in Christianity is created by someone unknown or fictitious!

No! Quranists follow only the Qur'an! I follow the Qur'an and Sunnah together!

This is available in Qur'an when explained with the hadith!
This is an innovation like your Christmas! It is not founded in Islam.

Ramadan is a Pillar of Islam evidenced in the Qur'an and Sunnah!

Good to know you follow the Qur'an and the Sunah together, however
Unlike you Muslims who always dodge answering questions about your faith, we as Christians are NOT. You'll gladly be answered if you ask!

1Pet 3:15:
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

You didn't answer the question:
Did I ask you if there is justification for your festivals in the Qur'an? No!
Just as your question: is their Christmas in the Bible?
I asked:

Are the following in the Qur'an too? Eid-ul-Adha,
Maulid Al-Nabi and Ramadan?

You could have just stated the verses where the names of the festivals appear if they exist! LOL!

Have a beautiful nighty friend!

Pets › Re: 3-year-old Boy Mauled To Death By Two Pit Bulls In South Africa (graphic Photo) by TenQ: 1:49pm On Nov 21, 2022

Olasyke:
Subuhanallah

But only black dogs are bad now!

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Can I Find Christmas In The Bible? (100 Euro Reward) by TenQ: 9:57am On Nov 21, 2022

AntiChristian:
You need to first answer where Christmas is in your Bible and get the reward!

Also why your God has to send his son (=Himself aka trinity) to be the dibia sacrificial lamb for other's sins!

At least this involves human blood ritual!

Can you kindly open a new thread for this. I will join you there!

However, on Christmas:
I think I've answered Question before on this thread. Christmas, Easter etc are Christian times of CELEBRATION and REMEMBRANCE and so are NOT anywhere in the Bible.

Are the following in the Qur'an too? Eid-ul-Adha,
Maulid Al-Nabi and Ramadan?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Plain IDOLATRY by Muslims in Islam? by TenQ(op): 8:22am On Nov 21, 2022

For a religion that prides itself as having the strictest monotheism , everyone will agree with me that the INVOCATION of the BLACKSTONE at the Kaaba is a very serious dent.

Unfortunately, till today, Muslims go to Mecca to invoke this Deity for the forgiveness of sin.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Top Secret Clearly Depicted In The Bible But Unknown To Many Christians by TenQ: 7:18am On Nov 21, 2022*

If TenQ's grasp of logic is flawed, conceptualisation of our faith muddled, yet adamant and ignorant.
WHY DO YOU IGNORE CORRECTING HIS IGNORANCE by ANSWERING His QUESTIONS?

LegalWolf:
Brother,

Engaging TenQ is akin to the proverbial wrestle with the pig. While the swine is joyous and happy (after all, how many times would it get that once in a lifetime opportunity), you end up wasting your precious time.

His grasp of logic is flawed, conceptualisation of our faith muddled, yet adamant and ignorant. What do we have? a cocktail of resentful disaster. As basic as the meaning of “INJEEL”, he doesn’t even know and had to lie on the meaning by giving two contradictory and false interpretations!

This potential thief called TenQ (I call him potential thief because the Yoruba people - a tribe I think he belongs - have a saying: an habitual liar is a potential thief) even went ahead to forge a statement, put it in inverted comma and ascribed it to me. He can never deny it till he dies. Or can he? . Is that the type of person one would engage on faith with?

Just to give you heads up - the potential thief will open a thread soon about a delusory topic on Islam, quote you and so many other Muslims and ask for your comment. If you ignore, he’ll go on and rant endlessly in your mentions. That’s how crazy he craves attention.

Anyways, enjoy brother and just play with him. His skin is very thin. I know you must have worked hard for 6 days. Probably you should go rest as the story book bible fantasized about God in Genesis 2: 2- 3

Cc: Potential Thief TenQ

Dear Cry-Cry Baby Lawyer LegalWolf,

You are Predictably childish and noticeably still hurt and weeping from my last flogging with my barrage of words of TRUTH that that proved that Islam is from Satan AND that you like your prophet is not only a STONE serving IDOL but a gross LIAR.

~~Satan~~ Allah is tempting you with Booze, big boobs, eternal erection and brothels of sex playboys and it doesn't dawn on you his trademark!

I've warned you. Your eternity is at risk. Is it not true that Allah prised that you will all enter the FIRE? (Sorry, I forgot to add that Allah will now remove Christians from paradise to replace you Muslims in hell!)

You needn't respond to this till another topic from me to you AS you'd as usual be invited.

Not withstanding of this, I pray honestly for your salvation and that it would not be too late for you. The character of Mohammed is SICK: a father flirting with and taking the wife of of his own son with Allah's support is unheard of even among fairly depraved and mentally ill humans.

You'll agree with me that only an apostle of Allah can do this kind of evil

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Online Preaching Or Arguments Helped Anyone To Get Saved? by TenQ: 11:50pm On Nov 20, 2022

elated177:
Grow together where? In his Body - his Ekklesia?

On your head

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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Can I Find Christmas In The Bible? (100 Euro Reward) by TenQ: 9:14pm On Nov 20, 2022

AntiChristian:
Why dispute with a serial liar?

You'll just waste my time.

LOL!
That's why a simple question, you can't answer because Allah is the best deceivers!

Are you ashamed because a STONE is a PARTNER will Allah in forgiveness of your sins?

The QUESTION:
1. Can you explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms of idolaters?
2. Can you explain WHY you Muslims point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Online Preaching Or Arguments Helped Anyone To Get Saved? by TenQ: 9:01pm On Nov 20, 2022

elated177:
I am not feigning anything, TenQ. Show me where Yahushua the Messiah said that both the wheat and the weed (his servants and the servants of Satan) should grow together in his "Church". That is all.

Matthew 13:24
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said to him, Sir, did not you sow good seed in your field? from where then has it tares? He said to them, An enemy has done this. The servants said to him, Will you then that we go and gather them up? But he said, No; lest while you gather up the tares, you root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Goodnight!

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Romance › Re: DJ Cuppy Engaged To Ryan Taylor (British Boxer) by TenQ: 8:12pm On Nov 20, 2022

bigdammyj:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xIABmji09I

Source: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/11/video-dj-cuppy-engaged-to-british-boxer-taylor/

Outside indeed looks greener!

Just imagine that DJ Cuppy is to be engaged to a Nigerian Boxer!

Better get lawyer and sign good prenup o!

Christianity Etc › Re: A Top Secret Clearly Depicted In The Bible But Unknown To Many Christians by TenQ: 7:59pm On Nov 20, 2022

Lukuluku69:
I am Muslim. The Quran and the Hadiths are my major sources of Faith and all my Religious actions.

As for the Tafsirs, they are what they are: interpretations of the meanings of the Text based on the understanding of whoever that is running them. They could be right and they could be wrong..

So bring your Quotes from the Quran and hadiths.

Howa y times do you want me to present them to you?

Okay, here again.
Check below, I have Quoted both the Qur'an, Tafsirs and the Hadiths with respect to Idolatry and the Black stone in Islam.

I didn't put a single bible verse o! LOL

Check the dogo turenchi I posted, it contains several Qur'an , Tafsirs and Hadiths.

Let me repost them as I am Sure you didn't read my dogo turenchi. LOL!

This time, I will remove the quotes so that you can read carefully.

Islamic Idolatry

For a religion who claims to practice the STRICTEST Monotheism, would it surprise you that both Mohammed AND Muslims are Idolaters?

This is a serious allegation to make if not backed up with EVIDENCE!
Let us check the meaning according to Islamic teachings.

Definition of Idolatry:
1. Secular Source (Muslim biased)
Shirk (Arabic: شرك širk) in Islam is the sin of idolatry or polytheism (i.e., the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides Allah). Islam teaches that God does not share His divine attributes with any partner.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(Islam)

2. Islamic Source
The Qur‘an teaches that whenever the love, longing, loyalty and submission which are due to Allah, are focused upon other than Him, or others along with Him, then this is shirk – idolatry; setting-up partners with Allah. For as Islam sees things, whoever loves something, desires it, values it, and centres their hopes, fears, love and loyalty around it; submitting to it independently of Allah, then this, for them, becomes a deity, a god, an object of sacrilegious worship.

https://thehumblei.com/tag/how-does-islam-define-idolatry/

3. Evidence from Allah in the Qur'an
Qur'an 39:3
“Look! [Only] exclusive faith is worthy of Allah, and those who take guardians besides Him [claiming,] ‘We only worship them so that they may bring us near to Allah.’ Allah will indeed judge between them concerning that about which they differ. Indeed, Allah does not guide someone who is a liar and an ingrate.”

Qur'an 109:1-6
“.....Dedicate yourself to the religion as a hanīf, and never be one of the polytheists. Never invoke besides Allah that which neither benefits you nor can do you any harm; for if you do so, then you will indeed be among the wrongdoers.”

Now, Muslims will agree that worship goes beyond bowing down to an idol. It may also involve kissing, touching or reverencing any object or thing asside Allah. Invoking an object is not necessarily verbal is it?

Now, at the Kaaba,
1. There is a stone that came from paradise which used to be white but is now BLACK (because of sins of people touching it) that Muslims on pilgrimage touch and/kiss (they dont bow down to it)
2. The stone is shaped like a Vagina of a Woman and in the pre-islamic times, women used to touch it with their menstral blood probably for fertility sake.
3. Allahs apostle said that on judgment day, this Black stone would be given eyes and mouth to speak and it will testify for or against a Muslim's sincerity while touching it.
4. The Black stone became black because it has the power to suck/remove/take upon itself the sins of Muslims.

Even though, Muslims do not bow down to this stone, THEY worship and Invoke it by
1. Ascribing the power of forgiveness of sin to it (something only Allah has power to do)
2. Touching and/or kissing it as part of their religious excercise
3. Putting their hope in the black stone as an object to intercede for them on the day of judgement.

1. According to the first definition of Idolatry,
Muslims share the divine attribute of forgiveness of sin of Allah with the black stone.
2. According to the second definition of idolatry
Whoever centres their hopes, fears, love and loyalty around an object; submitting to it independently of Allah, then this, for them, becomes a deity, a god, an object of sacrilegious worship.

Muslims center their hopes for forgiveness of sin on this black stone independently of Allah, thus the black stone becomes a deity of sacrilegious worship.

3. According to the third definition of Idolatry

According to Qur'an 39:3, if the purpose of the black stone is to get Muslims closer to Allah through the forgiveness of their sins, this is idolatry.
Also, exclusive FAITH belong only to Allah and not any object, he who therefore have faith is anything else (black stone) is an idolater.

According to Qur'an 109:1-6, Never invoke besides Allah that which neither benefits you nor can do you any harm.

But some Muslims (like Umar) invoke the black stone by touching and/kissing/pointing to it even while they claim that it neither benefits nor harm them.

Like the Yorubas ascribe Olodumare to be the Creator but worship other Deities and put their trusts in various Charms, the Nlack Stone can be said to be the Muslim's EQUIVALENT of CHARMS (invoked by touching and/or kissing)

The QUESTION:
1. Can Muslims explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms?
2. Can Muslims explain WHY they point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?

References:
If any Muslim disagree with any of the assertions above, I'll be willing to provide EVIDENCES. For now, I assume that Muslims are aware and familiar with my claims.

However, I found an Islamic site that ANSWERED and PROVIDED more than enough references .

LegalWolf, keep to the Question if you know the answer. If you don't, there is no virtue in thrashing meaninglessly about.

REFERENCE: Islamic website

The Black Stone
13-07-2000
Question 1902

QUESTION
What's the importance of the BlackStone in Kaaba, what does represent ?

Answer
Praise be to Allah.

There are a number of ahaadeeth etc. about the Black Stone which we will quote for our brother so that he may learn from them.

1. The Black Stone was sent down by Allaah to this earth from Paradise.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Black Stone came down from Paradise.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; al-Nasaa’i, 2935. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi).

2. The Stone was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; Ahmad, 2792. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah, 4/219. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar classed it as qawiy (strong) in Fath al-Baari, 3/462).

(a) Al-Mubaarakfoori said in al-Marqaah: This means, the sins of the sons of Adam who touched the stone, caused it to turn black. The hadeeth should be taken at face value, because there is no reason not to, either narrated in a report or by virtue of common sense.

(Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, 3/525)

(b) Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said: Some heretics tried to criticize this hadeeth by saying: How come the sins of the mushrikeen turned it black and the worship of the people of Tawheed did not make it white?

I answer by quoting what Ibn Qutaybah said: If Allaah had willed, that would have happened. But Allaah has caused it to be the case that black usually changes other colours and its not itself changed, which is the opposite to what happens with white.

(c) Al-Muhibb al-Tabari said: The fact that it is black is a lesson for those who have insight. If sins can have this effect on an inanimate rock, then the effect they have on the heart is greater.

See Fath al-Baari, 3/463

3. The Black Stone will come forth on the Day of Resurrection and will testify in favour of those who touched it in truth.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: “By Allaah, Allaah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944

This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi, and as qawiy by al-Haafiz ibn Hajar in Fath al-Baari, 3/462

(4) Touching, kissing or pointing to the Black Stone – this is the first thing to be done when starting Tawaaf, whether it is for Hajj or ‘Umrah, or voluntary Tawaaf.

It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Makkaah, he came to the Black Stone and touched it, then he walked to the right of it and ran three times and walked four times [around the Ka’bah].

(narrated by Muslim, 1218).

(5) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kissed the Black Stone, and his ummah followed his lead in doing so.

It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1520; Muslim, 1720)

(6) If a person is unable to kiss the Stone, he should touch it with his hand or something else, then he can kiss the thing with which he touched it.

(a) It was narrated that Naafi’ said: I saw Ibn ‘Umar touch the Stone with his hand then he kissed his hand. I said, I have never ceased to do this since I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) do it.

(Narrated by Muslim, 1268)

(b) It was narrated that Abu Tufayl (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) performing Tawaaf around the House, touching the corner [where the Stone is] with a crooked staff which he had with him, then kissing the staff.

(Narrated by Muslim, 1275).

(7) If a person is unable to do the above, then he can point to it with his hand and say “Allaahu akbar”.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) performed Tawaaf on his camel, and every time he came to the corner [where the Stone is] he would point to it and say “Allaahu akbar.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4987).

( Touching the Stone is one of the things by means of which Allaah expiates for sins

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959. This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi and as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/664). Al-Dhahabi agreed with him).

It is not permissible for a Muslim to annoy other Muslims at the Stone by hitting or fighting. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that the Stone will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity, which is not the case when a person touches it by disturbing the slaves of Allaah.

And Allaah knows best.

https://www.google.com/amp
/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/1902

If you are not sure, you needn't respond.

The Question again:
The QUESTION:
1. Can Muslims explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms of Idolaters ?
2. Can Muslims explain WHY they point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?

Thank you sirs!

Christianity Etc › Re: A Top Secret Clearly Depicted In The Bible But Unknown To Many Christians by TenQ: 7:54pm On Nov 20, 2022

Abdulgaffar22:
Did God at at any point change His character by telling us in the scriptures that He can put an innocent and righteous soul under His CURSE after men have known that God is naturally known to BLESS an innocent and righteous soul ? Certainly not !

There are many books like Gospel of Barnabas (which your church fathers termed apochryphal) which confirmed that people who are very close to Jesus knew that he wasn't the one that got crucified.

Again,there can be no any misconception for the people who are well versed in the scriptures. It is very clearly written in the scriptures that God would always protect Jesus Christ from any harm. Please compare the two biblical passage below ;

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test. (Matthew 4:5-7)

For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. [/b]You will tread on the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent. “Because he loves me,” says the LORD, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. He will call on me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him ([b]Psalm 91:11-15)

See how Jesus confirmed that what the devil was saying about him is true by saying "It is also written".

Now if God really answered the blood-sweating prayer of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:44) just as God promised in Psalm 91 above, then how can Jesus be crucified ?

If it is true that Jesus has volunteered himself to die for our sins, then why did he pray so FERVENTLY asking for the crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him not in one time but in THREE different consecutive times (see Matthew 26:36-44) ? If Jesus had truly and willingly laid down his life in heaven to die for our sin, then he must have been prepared by God both physically and spiritually for this great task. In that case, there would be no need for that blood- sweating prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:44). Even if we assume that Jesus must pray because of the FLESH that is WEAK, then that prayer should definitely be for the "STRENGTH" that will enable him to bear the task. It should NOT be for the cup of crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him.
Furthermore, if Jesus had VOLUNTEERED to laid down his life in heaven, then why did he have to LAMENT on the cross by saying allegedly;
"My God, my God, why have you FORSAKEN me? (Matthew 27:46)".
Does this sound like the voice of a someone who has VOLUNTEERED himself to die for our sins? Certainly not !

You want to change the subject at all cost. Okay, let's ASSUME that Allah decided to SAVE Jesus because He is a righteous man, and so he DECEIVED the Romans and Jews.

Why did Allah deceive Mary, Jesus Siblings, Jesus Disciples, the Apostles and followers?

I've simplified your problem for you as Allah delivered Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Online Preaching Or Arguments Helped Anyone To Get Saved? by TenQ: 7:42pm On Nov 20, 2022

elated177:
Isn't the explanation given by the Messiah?

Why do you feign something different. Jesus said, "let them grow together!"

Until the harvest!
Then there'll be a separation

Christianity Etc › Re: A Top Secret Clearly Depicted In The Bible But Unknown To Many Christians by TenQ: 7:40pm On Nov 20, 2022

LegalWolf:
Why, potential thief?

Tongue tied?
The QUESTION:
1. Can Muslims explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms?
2. Can Muslims explain WHY they point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?

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