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LegalWolf:
Hehehehe potential thief is asking me questions about Jesus... LOL! What took you so long to forge this?

LegalWolf:
[ space booked ]

Steep:
Jesus is so perfect not even the Koran could say that Jesus did any wrong unlike Mohammad who was a robber, a rapist an idolater.
There is enough evidence to show that Jesus is the Son of God.

LegalWolf:
Accuse?

LegalWolf:
LOL! This your tirade is getting more interesting. Always, there is more than one way to skin a cat



Since you run away from defining accuse, I will give you three examples - one actual and two hypothetical and you will tell me which one is accusation or not.

1. I call you potential thief on countless occasions. Does that mean I accuse you of being a thief ? (Commentary: I know one random advocatejare made this same mistake yesterday and I corrected him on the spot)

2. Hypothetically, I am a prophet of one god like that. I won't bore you with details of the the backstory but I said to this god, hypothetically:
“Alas, Sovereign Lord! How completely you have deceived this people and Abuja by saying, ‘You will have peace,’ when the sword is at our throats!” /. From this statement, am I 'accusing' the Sovereign Lord of being a deceptive god or not?

3. Again, hypothetically of course, rather than the statement above, I said unto the sovereign lord Maybe you have deceived this people and Abuja by saying, ‘You probably will have peace,’ - With this statement, I asked like I did previously: am I 'accusing' the Sovereign Lord of being a deceptive god or not?


We need to understand what accusation is so we won't be at different cross-roads!



Consistent with which definition? You have not given any definition and I don't know which dictionary definition you will buy. But I have given three scenerios that will at least make me know whether your definition of accuse is consistent with the English usage



Can there be an alternate definition when you did not even proffer one?

cc: Hissplendor

LegalWolf:
[Another one just for fun. To be back if I consider it necessary]

cc: Potential Thief TenQ

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ

This can be in parallel to the conversation you and I are having. I am curious: what kind of nzogbu nzogbu evangelism do you folks do. Are you interested in taking on the great commission as captured in Mathew 28: 18 - 20 or you just want to argue to feed your deflated egos. I see one random folk always tackling IMAliyu after that guy has told you all on this platform on countless occasions that Islam is more cultural for him than religious and he is unwilling to defend things he does not believe.

Rather than preaching the beauty of your religion to him (if there is one anyways), I still see some folks still attacking him. Does that not make you an headless mob?

cc: Hissplendor

LegalWolf:
Lol, I was not the one who used the word “accuse”. So, I need to know that you mean exactly the same thing right thinking humans mean when they use the word accused. After all, in our previous conversation, you have used INJEEL to refer to two false and contradictory meanings, haven’t you?

So back to the question, what does our prosecution understand by the word “accuse”

Why have I been omitting Hissplendor in this interesting conversation?

cc: Hissplendor

LegalWolf:
When I used “accused”, I wasn’t actually thinking of the technical sense but past tense for “accuse”. So Mr. prosecution, can you tell this honourable forum what it means to accuse someone

LegalWolf:
Lol! Mr. ‘Prosecution’ the question was to tell us the meaning of accused, is the term bigger than your intellect?

Lol!

LegalWolf:
Mr ‘prosecution’, do you know the meaning of accused?

LegalWolf:
And you can help him establish why I owe him an explanation. Or even your god an explanation if you care. Lol

LegalWolf:
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LegalWolf:
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LegalWolf:
Uncle you are still saying nonsense! When you've established a basis for me answering your questions, come back to me. And guess what, you tell yhwh to go hang himself while you ease yourself out of my mentions for tonight

cc: Potential Thief TenQ
Hissplendor

LegalWolf:
LOL! You said so much but said nothing



Ohh there WAS just one red velvet cloth in the whole of Arabia at the time of the Prophet right? And the hadith you quoted says the missing cloth is the one placed in in the lad of the Prophet? Isn't it ? Or it was even owned by the prophet




If that makes you feel drunk and better, why don't you run with the narrative. At least, your own god is a blood sucking dem0n that cannot forgive without shedding blood. An imbecilic mor0n that has to send his own son to the world just to forgive others, who does that? When you worship a mor0n, what should I expect?

(highlights mine)

it reads better this way, what do you think?



Ohhhh after everything you've said, so you think I will start worshipping a mor0nic god that sucks blood for a living? 'yhwh'? LOL

You still have not rebutted the fact that yhwh cannot forgive sins without shedding of blood as brilliantly captured in Hebrews 9:13. Or the way sacrtifices are made to yhwh is through sprinkling of blood as captured in Hebrews 9:22. I have given you more attention than you deserve. When you establish a basis for me answering your questions, I will give you an answer. These are demonic and satanic practices to me and I have not seen any reason to think otherwise.

Sprinkle blood on yourself so as to seek for yhwh's forgiveness

Bye!
cc: Potential thief TenQ
Hissplendor

HisSplendor:
Whenever he calls you Potential thief, call him ordained murderer, since his murderous god has commissioned him to kill.

HisSplendor:
I can see. He has no answer to so many questions regarding his god, yet, he keeps following with zeal. He then turns around and call those who have answered all his questions about Christianity, fanatics. Isn't that an irony?

LegalWolf:
TenQ

I would not insult you. Throwing insults is a sign of intellectual weakness rather than strength and I know how to deal with christian fanatics that insult me. Are you now quiet?

You cannot say anything again... LOL! Please forge a topic, intrude in my space or those of other Muslims by mentioning us and see what I will do. I enjoyed the fun, actually.

cc: Hissplendor

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ

I will relish myself in your mentions. You’ve not seen nada. I guess it is time for insult now since yhwh cannot inspire you with logic. When ur insult fails to achieve the stated purpose, you’ll probably turn it into curse.

Again, you’ve not seen anything yet. You will weep and instead of yhwh to help you, it is delusions he will send to you. And I’ll make sure I drive that hard lesson of non mentioning people without their consent into your empty skull.

Cc: Hissplendor

LegalWolf:
I am thinking that if I replace legal wolf with the highlight, it should read better. What do you think?

(highlight and replacement mine)

You must love it right?

LegalWolf:
And you that you are discussing with a mad man is not mad? Ehn? When logic fails, it is insult that you use. LOL! your weak ass yhwh cannot save you from doom!

LegalWolf:
And you that you are discussing with a mad man is not mad? Ehn? When logic fails, it is insult that you use. LOL! your weak ass yhwh cannot save you from doom!

LegalWolf:
LOL!

I wonder how Hissplendor will deal with this dilemma: according to him, when people don't answer a question, it means they do not have an answer. He even went on to cite dubious statistics that '80%' of the time, they don't have answer. So his refusal to answer to this question absolutely spells doom for him



On you potential thief TenQ, are you frustrated and angry yhwh cannot help you? I am just waiting for you to write a topic and mention me or any Muslim. Those 'ammunitions' you have not exhausted, you will exhaust it by the bloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood of Jesus... Don't you like Jesus blood?

LegalWolf:
It is my space you intruded and don't be dumb. Your frustration is just beginning and since you do not have common sense to know the line between people's privacy and your useless idi0tic evangelism, I will teach you in the hardest of ways you will never forget. Again, I will suspend my mentions but you write a post and mention me or ANY other Muslim to it, please!

LegalWolf:
I think I have given TenQ enough dose of his medicine and it appears you are the next. And despite my genuine warnings to think twice before you mention me, you decided to display your buffonery. Your mentions will be next port of call for a very long time now.



All you are doing is nonsense conjecture. The hadith you cited does not even tell us the 'incantation' itself. Like as if we do not know that churches in Nigeria cast spells as well.

Okay let me tell you what is more satanic that TenQ failed to give a logical explanation to. Perhaps you may be of help.

In Hebrews 9:13, this is what is said about sacrifices to yhwh":
The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. .

Down the same chapter, this is what we were told about the blood sucking demon named yhwh does

In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies (Commentary: This verse narrates the Covenant yhwh had with Moses)

In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. Hebrews 9:21 -22

So what do we have: a blood thirsty god that is unworthy of worship. Ideally, I do not see the difference between such a worthless mor0nic yhwh and the devil because honestly tell me: why would a God demand sprinkling of blood on people in order to cleanse them? Why can he not forgive without shedding blood? Is that not Satanic to you? You can give me an explanation

LegalWolf:
LOL! That's is your business. All I am just praying for is that you should write a post and mention me and any other Muslim. You know you were triggered with the jabs I threw at yhwh. Don't worry, it will be x 10 this time around!

Have a nice day!

IMAliyu:
Nah the basis of my disillusionment would be the same with all other faiths, unless that can be resolved, the only honest answer I can ever have is "I don't know"
And if someone claims to know, I'm inclined to demand for evidence to backup their claims

Like, how did you logically deduce that if a God existed he'd only be from one of the Abrahamic faiths?

Anyway
It all leads back to this https://www.nairaland.com/5942094/how-should-one-find-out
Granted I feel I could have worded things better.

It's the lack of falsifiability, or empiricism in religious beliefs, that bothered me, and disillusioned me even when I wanted to keep believing and practicing.

LegalWolf:
LOL!




If I want to behave like you TenQ in particular and Christians generally, I will write EVERY OTHER thing except answering the questions. And I say this with all sense of humility. All I will just do is to repeat the questions and say they stare at your face. Shikenan!



I have always maintained that the best way to teach people is to make them 'feel' exactly what they do to others. Just barely admonishing them won't help. Mr. TenQ, you are doing exactly the same thing I do when I want to answer your questions. Even as recently as yesterday or so, I wanted to answer your questions on Mutah and I gave you a condition that you should just make commitments that you will stand by your words. Oh I cannot find where you made the commitment, or did you? If you remember, one of our earliest conversations was translating inna isa wa malaikatahu yussalun.... . I did tell you I will translate but just allow me to put yhwh or the NT into the witness box. Did you accept the condition?

You want me to accept the same standards I judge the Quran and Islam as a whole with Bible and Christianity but do you do the same?



I am unsure you know who you are engaging with. If we have the same starting point, then divergence may not be fundamental. But our starting point is theologically and logically flawed. Suppose I say 1+1 = 5 and I am telling you that you should not insist that this is mathematically impossible. Rather, the best you can do is to comprehend the logical and theological purpose and reason for a concept and judge . What would be your response to be me. Please be truthful and honest in your answer



But you lie with some of the statements you make. And even when we try to correct you, you insist on your lies. Take for example, you were the one who said Injil is ALL the books of the Christians and that same Injil is the first four books of the Christians. Logically, these two statements cannot be true at the same time and in fact both are false. If you acknowledge that Injil actually means one gospel, and one of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, that buttresses my point and I know you would find it difficult to pick which of the Anajeel the Quran was making reference to. You knew this and ran away. You want us to see things from Christian perspective but turn a blind eye to ours



Nope, they are not. 2 borders on the history of each of the Books and essentially on who wrote them. The implication is if they were truly written by their purported authors, they will be fine and we can accept these books (I will like start from Matthew being the first book of your 27 books cannon) are truly God's words. But if not, I think it goes without saying that they are not.

On 3, I assume that these books were truly authored by whom they are and I start picking up holes and illogicality in them. I mean from theological standpoint. An example which I did was Gen 4:4 on sacrifices (which I used Hebrews 9:13) to explain. So here, I will walk through each and every Book of the Bible and telling you my problems with it. (On genesis, I have at least 20 issues, Exodus about 12, I cannot remember Numbers.. John I think 21 or so)



Nope, I do not accept ALL your conditions (if the six were to be conditions) because:
- You expect me to start from an illogical premise that betrays common sense which I would not
- On your no 6, you said you will ask me 'short answer questions' which I do not understand the meaning of'
- You mumble my questions 2 and 3 together which are completely separate
- I need you to use the Bible to explain your point. The question of whether I believe it or not is irrelevant. You can only draw references to the Talmud, Mishnah, Quran, Sunnah etc. to show similarities not as a starting point of your explanation. Who does that?
- You are giving me conditions without even asking if I have my conditions to engage you, or did you ask me?
- Lastly, on trinity and even some of these topics, I have read some tidbits of what you have written about them in your posts before. Where you not the one who used the example of body and soul to refer to trinity in one of your comments? I doubt if you have anything new to say from the rehash of what others have said. Or do you?

LegalWolf:
I loathe the possibility that I won't get to call you a potential thief or throw jabs at you. It is something I cannot even imagine it will happen.

(underline mine)

By the way, unlike Aliyu who may drop off from this conversation, Islam is more than cultural for me. It is a way of life, a religion, code of conduct and a pathway to interacting with my Creator. In contrast, almost EVERYTHING about Christianity looks off to me. I will break it down into three classes for easy understanding:

1. Many theological doctrines such as trinity, atonement, original sin, salvation, Biblical inspiration for the NT etc.

2. I hear (or probably read) rumors about the historicity of the Bible. That many of the books were not written by those purported to have authored them. Take a look at what scholars called 'Markan Appendix' or Chapter 16 of the Book of Mark. Older biblical texts in Greek do not contain this part but here we have it. So apparently it was forged and many Christians may even consider those portions as 'word of God'. This looks off to me.

3. I have read the bible extensively and I have issues with EVERY book of the Bible. I mean from Genesis to Revelation. This is not a matter of me asking you questions and you will be bringing Quranic verses to explain because I will actually bait you like I did with Gen 2:3 and 4:4 and you won't find alternative anywhere in Islamic literature.

So can you please give me a LOGICAL explanation to all my questions about Christianity that looks odd?