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jikins:
You are just speaking off point.

I never stated the war is going well for any side or one side has more deaths than the other these are just arguments in your head or stuff you imported from your other discussions. I only explain to you why the analogy you gave in response to Elon musk offer is miles away from what he said. Any other thing you see or read is from your own mind not mine

Elon Musk is speaking for Americans who are funding the war by their tax payers money. He has his point even though it is myopic.

Something we have seen is that, Russia is an overgrown teddy bear bully. Putin is fighting a fight of lost pride (he has been humiliated by a small nation).

Putin want to reduce Ukraine to the level of Belarus: it seems that is what you desire too!

Krismas:
U always here putting forward d arguments of the west. That’s ur own reality. U think u are the one reasoning it. But no. U are brainwashed
Why shouldn’t China take over Taiwan? And why shouldn’t North Korea take over South Korea? Why?

Okay!
I see that you'll prefer a world of jungle justice.

What then is wrong for Britain to re-colonize Nigeria!?

What is wrong with the modern day colonization of Francophone nations by France?

What was wrong in Iraq annexing Kuwait?

You argument represented nicely above!

You didn't answe the question:
The lifeline of Ukraine is her seaports, isn't it suicide to sign it away?
What is your solution to this?

jikins:
Why are you so sure those people will vote to stay with Russia. Its very interesting that you can't even factor in the possibility of them voting to stay with Ukraine

That is why, war should never be a precursor to any kind of referendum. A meaningful referendum can only be taken in the atmosphere of PEACE.

Russia is to withdraw it's forces, pay for damages and then the UN can conduct a referendum for the eastern Ukraine.


Even then, Ukraine has the right to claim ALL her seaports in exchange for the Donbas regions joining Russia!

Krismas:
Ukraine is not the only country bordering Russia. Hungary is there, why is Russia not hostile to the rest? Ukraine is weak allowing itself to be used as tool of the west to wage a proxy war against Russia. It has been going on for long. B4 Russia built Nord stream 1. Russian Pipelines to Europe went thru Ukraine. [s]After paying taxes to Ukraine for use of their land Ukraine sometimes refuse to deliver the gas and sometimes they divert it. Switzerland ones took Ukraine to European court for diverting their gas. Ukraine has not paid up till date.[/s] All these actions are instigated by America, who want to stop Russian gas trade with Europe at all cost. That’s why dey blew up the Nord stream pipes.

The crossed are pure lies!
Europe pays for gas, then Ukraine diverts it and Russia and Europe wouldn't do anything about it. It's called giving a dog a bad name...

Belarus is a fine example of how you want Ukraine to be!?

Russia is so nice, they don't make puppets of presidents unlike the imperialist USA and NATO!

Myopic!

Steep:
1. Why would angels inhabit human or animal bodies? However, demons are fallen angels meaning their angelic nature is already corrupt.

@ bolded you mean exorcists. The opposite people who really cast out demons know they are fallen angels.

2. When a human dies their soul/spirit either ends in sheol or be with the Lord.

1. Angels are created as a free being. They do NOT need to inhabit human bodies: it is demeaning to them.
2. When a Nephillim dies, do they also go to Sheol?

I have been previledged by Christ to cast out a few demons, I can tell you that demons are inferior to Angels!
Demons are afraid of angels but not fallen angels!

adeprof18:
The truth is person wey pass you pass you.
If they dont accept Russian terms of the peace deal, they will loose far more than that.
Zelensky saying if they have more weapons they can defeat Russia is crazy.
The reason Russia is bigger is cuz of what they have, same with US or anybody.
A beggar of weapon(Ukraine) will always beg while giver will never lack. If Nigeria have US Arsenal today, we will be called a superpower. There is no point fighting a lion when you don't have the tool to kill it.
He should have just take the offer to be evacauated by the west when Russia invaded, they will just change government and no one dies.

You are now speaking!
Russia is indeed a big bully, but sometimes, it is wise to take your stance and stand against a bully. Las las, he would kill you, but you will be respected henceforth


I once stood up t a big bully while in secondary school. That was the last time he crossed me. I had gained my respect. He could beat me hands down, but I was willing to die taking my blood from him.

A slave is one who cannot stand up to his oppressor!

Kobojunkie:
I didn't avoid any of your questions since I have already more than responded to all of them. See previous posts.

You did avoid ALL of them. If not, just a sentence or even a word each is enough

1. is this Michael a human being?
2. Is this Michael in chapter 10 different from the Michael in chapter 12 of Daniel?
3. Has Daniel 12:1 been fulfilled?

Kobojunkie:
Look, no matter what experience you claim to have amassed for yourself if the understanding you have does not agree with that which is the Word of God, your experience along with all of the understanding you claim is worthless. That is what Jesus Christ taught particularly when He mentioned that even false prophets and teachers will boast of experience in all you continue to mention.

Speak of your experience with serving Christ and let me speak of mine. Too bad if you can't speak of any: it's not my fault.

The 70 came back with experience in obeying Christ commands

Luk 10:17:
"And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject to us through your name."

It's not your business if the sons of Sceva are doing their fathers business.

Rather, obey Christ faithfully and have your own experience to speak about

Krismas:
Complete misinformation. U just making up all these.
Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine. It was a Russian city b4 den. Its not Russia infiltrating it.
Russia has recognized the autonomy of Donbas 8yrs ago. That why Kiev govt. waged a war on Donbas, to stop them seceding.
Part of ending the war, led to the Minsk agreement in-which Kiev government agreed to allow partial autonomy to Donbas. But later turned against their pledge. Part of Russia’s goal in the SMO is to restore the terms of the Minsk agreement. Which is autonomy for Donbas

USA used to be for Britain therefore, Britain has the right to reclaim America.

Nigeria was created by Britain, therefore, we should submit our sovereignity to them.

You logic presented nicely above!

jikins:
If you had said that initially then, I would have taken you seriously. Thats why its called negotiations. Nothing was stopping the Ukraine President for telling Elon Musk "thats all well and good if they also pay for damages".

You forget that the lifeline of Ukrainan economy are the seaports: how do you negotiate that away?

You could as well disbanded Ukraine as a country.

What is your solution to this?

adeprof18:
That's why its called negotiation. They both discuss for peace to finally reign

A one sided negotiation is Armed Robbery.

Is armed robbery a negotiation!?

Submit your money , phone and laptop or you die!

This is negotiation for you!?

Russia; Submit your lands and your seaports or you die!
Ukraine: yes sir
You: applause, what a beautiful negotiation!

Krismas:
Crimea’s case was worse All Ukrainian military in Crimea ran over to Russia
Just like the Ibos in Nigeria has had enough. The Russians who occupy eastern part of Ukraine has had enough. Even west media does not carry their plight

What was the excuse of Russia in 2014 to annex Cremia?

Neo-Nazis!?
NATO!?

Russia is a bully!

jikins:
You think he is being Naive because you don't understand or simply cannot comprehend what he said hence your misplaced analogy.

Lemme break it down for you. You the leader of a town and another town came and claim 40% of your town as theirs. Instead of continuing the endless circle of deaths. Someone said oya lets have a vote thats conducted by a party thats full of people more sympathetic to your side(UN). If the people in those places the other town controls vote to stay with you then the other town must leave else those towns become part of the other town.

Isn't this the democracy the West claim to promote where people decides their fate?

You talk as if only Ukrainians are dying!
Do you also know how many thousand Russian families that has become fatherless!?
If the war was going well for Russia, why would they need to conscript men into their army?

Who started this war?

Why not ask the one who started the war to stop all hostilities?

You want Ukraine to give away ALL her seaports?
You want them to depend permanently on Russia to export even a grain of wheat?

Acknowledge the TRUTH, Russia needed the land as it gives them access to the warm ports for their Navy. They also needed a land ridge to Cremia. They also want the unification of ALL Russian speaking people.

Please tell me, what is Russia doing in Romania?

Don't be shortsighted, it's all part of the unification of Russia!

adeprof18:
They are not talking about all those anymore since Ukraine refused to negotiate on those terms after bucha and they had to teach them a lesson to grab their land.
This is another opportunity to negotiate after annexing 4 region, if they dont, its either they go for kyiv and change the government or destroy the whole city like mariupol.
What do you think the men in the Frontline will do when they couldn't get order from their command centers in the capital. They will surrender. Russia does not need nuke for now, they know where to hit them.
You all think this is a war and foreign dignitaries are coming to visit the president lol.

So, after Russia annexed eastern Ukraine,
1. It would result in automatic extinction of the Neo-Nazi's
2. Ukraine will decide NOT to join NATO
3. Ukraine and Russia would become the closest ally/friend

Who would guarantee Ukrainian security; Russia!?

Kobojunkie:
Like I already stated before, Jesus Christ taught that even false teachers and false prophets do all these things, does that then mean their EXPERIENCES are valid as far as Jesus Christ is concerned?

Does that mean their claimed experience with what you call evangelism, healings, casting out of demons, are of God's Truth?

abeg make we focus on the topic o'jare!.

It doesn't mean that servants of Christ would stop obeying Christ and amassing experience along the way.

Anyone who thinks he is of Christ and is idle is an unprofitable servant!

There is NO excuse for not obeying Christ's commands!

adeprof18:
They are not talking about all those anymore since Ukraine refused to negotiate on those terms after bucha and they had to teach them a lesson to grab their land.
This is another opportunity to negotiate after annexing 4 region, if they dont, its either they go for kyiv and change the government or destroy the whole city like mariupol.
What do you think the men in the Frontline will do when they couldn't get order from their command centers in the capital. They will surrender. Russia does not need nuke for now, they know where to hit them.
You all think this is a war and foreign dignitaries are coming to visit the president lol.

You are naive.

You think of Russia Nukes Kiev there would be peace?
That would be the beginning of worldwide terror. China will play the same script in Taiwan! North Korea will replay the script on South-Korea.

Hitler was condoned until the ww2 resulted!

jikins:
You think he is being Naive because you don't understand or simply cannot comprehend what he said hence your misplaced analogy.

Lemme break it down for you. You the leader of a town and another town came and claim 40% of your town as theirs. Instead of continuing the endless circle of deaths. Someone said oya lets have a vote thats conducted by a party thats full of people more sympathetic to your side(UN). If the people in those places the other town controls vote to stay with you then the other town must leave else those towns become part of the other town.

Isn't this the democracy the West claim to promote where people decides their fate?

Why doesn't the term include that Russia shall pay for all the damages in property and deaths caused by the reckless invasion?

Should that not be part of the terms?

Krismas:
Crimea’s case was worse All Ukrainian military in Crimea ran over to Russia
Just like the Ibos in Nigeria has had enough. The Russians who occupy eastern part of Ukraine has had enough. Even west media does not carry their plight

No sir.
All the top hierarchy of the Ukrainian army were infiltrated by Russians. Ukrainian army was in shambles.

Would it be legal if Cameroon annexes Biafra?

And 100% of Cremians and ethnic Donbas citizens are Russians.

You seem not to remember history that Russia moved a lot of their people into Eastern Ukraine!?

Apart from that, the excuse of Russian invasion did NOT include annexation of Donbas. It was AFTER the invasion that Russia said anything about recognising the Donbas region as autonomous nations.

The excuse of invasion was principally that Ukraine desire to join NATO and that Ukraine government is harbouring the Neo-Nazi's

What was the excuse of the invasion of Russia?

Kobojunkie:
3. An interesting aspect of what is written in Daniel 12 vs 1 is the mention of the people, the children of Israel whose names are written in the book of life aka the righteous among them, being delivered, but from what exactly? If we figure that out, maybe we can then understand whether Daniel 12 vs 1 has been fulfilled or not.

Three questions and you avoided ALL, we can't move forward unless you answer the questions!

1. is this Michael a human being?
2. Is this Michael in chapter 10 different from the Michael in chapter 12 of Daniel?
3. Has Daniel 12:1 been fulfilled?

pansophist:
I will rather Zelensky and Ukraine remain neutral, as it has been before the 2014 coup. You have to go out of this western mindset that one must belong to one side. You can be on your own and not a puppet to any. Before 2014, Russia and Ukraine are peaceful neighbors

Was Russia neutral in 2014 when they invaded Ukraine and annexed Cremia?

The truth is that Russia's foreign policy is terrible.

You want Ukraine to be exactly like Belarus: isn't it!?

Krismas:
Musk say LET UN CONDUCT A REFERENDUM IN DONBAS. Donbas don’t want to be in Ukraine! Wen will u get dis into ur head? Its not just Russia entering into Ukraine and taking lands. That’s wot CNN will want u to believe. Its about western Ukraine divided against eastern Ukraine. Both side fought for 8yrs. Ukraine is not United

If Donbas don't want to be part of Ukraine, must Russia tear down Ukraine to actualise that?

Did Cremia say they don't want to be part of Russia?

We should have used the same logic and let Biafra go.

A height of Nativity.

pansophist:
I have said from day one that Zelensky is a puppet. The modern method of colonialism is not via guns and slavery like in the past, it is by usurping the government elites, and controlling the country through them. Ukraine lost its independence during the maiden revolution supported by the west in 2014, and ever since, they have become so hostile to Russians and Russia, in a bid to contain the US and perpetuate US hegemony.

You will rather than Zelensky be a puppet of Putin!?

Grandmeister:
If my neighbour is harbouring someone who is openly my enemy in every sense of the word I will take proactive measures upon them. That was how ghadaffi was toppled and Libya left in ruins till today.

Was that the reason Russia annexed Cremia?

Note:
1. Russia is no more talking about the Neo-Nazi's
2. Russia is no more talking about Ukraine's intention to join NATO

All they want is the Unification of Russia at the expense of Ukraine.

That's how a Bully behaves!

If Russia is allowed to take Eastern Ukraine, what stops China from Taking Taiwan!?

Grandmeister:
You did it with bakassi in 2003 and the heavens did not fall.

Bakasi was signed away with a legal document by General Gowon who gave out our land to Cameroon!

When Russia took Cremia in 2014, did Ukraine fight back? Russia now went for the whole of eastern Ukraine to create a Land bridge to Cremia : is that right?

Once beaten, twice shy!

Note:
1. Russia is no more talking about the Neo-Nazi's
2. Russia is no more talking about Ukraine's intention to join NATO

All they want is the Unification of Russia at the expense of Ukraine!


Like I said:
Your neighbor comes to your house, claims part of your land. Tears down your fence.
For the interest of peace, I think you should vacate your house for him.

Elon Musk is being NAIVE!

lhordspy:
Lol.

It is now i truly believe this clown zelensky is not worth a president of a country, he should be somewhere on a stage sharing jokes to make kids laugh.


Man is not been pushed by the west alone, i think he has a plan to run that country down. He doesnt want peace, he doesnt want solution, he just loves Russian military wiping out his citizens off the face of earth day by day through unthinkable ways to die.

This is turning more like those wacky nollywood movies, where some persons killed somebody parent like 40years back, the victim child will now start doing househelp for the killers to revenge the death of the parent.

People should ask that man, zelensky, wetin ukraine as a country do am .He seems on a revenge plan, not only destroy the country but wipe out every citizens in the country. Everyday he keeps mobilizing men,women both young and old to war, just to be killed the next day. Then he starts the process all over again with another different set of innocent lives.

You neighbor comes to your house, claims part of your land. Tears down your fence.
For the interest of peace, ai think you should vacate your house for him.

Elon Musk is being NAIVE!

Kobojunkie:
1. That much wasn't made clear to us in the context that is Daniel 10

2. At what endtime?

3. Why can't the Michael be human? Recall that what Daniel saw in Daniel 10 was a vision of a future to come.

4. How did you arrive at the conclusion in bold? All I see you doing is leaping from end to end, thinking that your claims are somehow justified by it.

How exactly do you connect the future Michael with the Michaels mentioned in Jude and Revelation without all the conjectures abeg. Daniel's Michael wasn't indicated as an archangel, neither was David's Michael nor any of the other Michael's in the Old Testament so how did you make this huge leap in judgment?

You say the identity of Micheal is unknown!
I asked you three simple questions:
1. is this Michael a human being?
2. Is this Michael in chapter 10 different from the Michael in chapter 12 of Daniel?


Dan 12:1:
"At that time Michael will stand up. He is the great prince who stands for the children of your people. There will be a time of trouble that has not happened since the beginning of nations. Then your people will be delivered, every one whos name is found written in the book."

3. Has Daniel 12:1 been fulfilled?

Steep:
angels are spirits. But fallen angels are unclean spirit or evil spirits.
lucifer a demon is a fallen angel so are all other demons.

1. Do angels prefer to inhabit human or animal bodies?

The truth is that, Only people who have never cast out unclean spirits believe that they are fallen angels. Just my observation, no insult intended!

2. When a human being dies, what happens to his soul/spirit?

If Jesus gave a command to preach, heal and cast out demons, ONLY those who obey get to have the EXPERIENCE therein.

If a person is unfortunate not to obey Christ, how can such complain of others experience.

Leave the fake Christians to their fakeness: it doesn't negate the fact that those who obey Christ get to have the EXPERIENCE of conversion in evangelism, healing and deliverance. Those who are not obeying Christ should repent and obey Him.

Kobojunkie:
1. For the umpteenth time, the identity of the Michael character was not mentioned.

2. The writer of Daniel 10 did not state any other information about the Michael character except that he was one of the church prince, able to fight alongside the man that spoke to Daniel in his vision, against the Prince of Persia.

3 a. Even a liar has experience of your so-called evangelism, so I am not certain where you are headed with this line of questioning.

3b. Even false teachers and false prophets have this experience you speak of, so again, I have absolutely no clue why you keep attempting to push the conversation this way.

3c. Like I already made clear, even frauds have experience with such things so I don't see where you keep wanting to go with this.

Jesus Christ never said understanding of that which applies of God and His Kingdom comes from any of the practices you claim, so again, I don't see why you keep trying to push this where it ought not to go at all.

3d. LOL....

4. Yes, He did! You simply trust and obey what He said. That Is how you carry out the command.

You say the identity of Micheal is unknown!
I asked you three simple questions:
1. is this Michael a human being?
2. Is this Michael in chapter 10 different from the Michael in chapter 12 of Daniel?


Dan 12:1:
"At that time Michael will stand up. He is the great prince who stands for the children of your people. There will be a time of trouble that has not happened since the beginning of nations. Then your people will be delivered, every one whos name is found written in the book."

3. Has Daniel 12:1 been fulfilled?

Steep:
It is not explicitly stated, however, the term "devils" refers to demons.
If "The devil" who is a demon, is a fallen angels then it follows that devils are actually fallen angels.

Demons are NOT angels. They are UNCLEAN spirits. Angels don't need human or animal hosts to manifest themselves. Falling angels are the Principalities and Powers and Rulers of the darkness of this world.

elated177:
Very true.



Spot on.









There must be a contact force or non-contact force (force field) exerted on an object before it can move.

It looks like we are in agreement mostly: Shalom!

Sixfiguresmart:
He is a fool. He thinks that these guys are playing games with him. He doesn't know that the end goal is to smite his neck. He should ask the Jews in Sudan. Or the Hindus in Pakistan. Or, the Christians in Syria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Egypt

Islam's primary purpose is to infiltrate Judaism and Christianity and then REPLACE them with Islam.

For Christianity:
Islam attacks the fundamental of Christianity
1. Death and Resurrection of Jesus CHrist
2. Atonement by Blood
3. Personality of Jesus (Reduced to a mere prophet lower than Mohammed)
4. Undermines the Trinity

Kobojunkie:
Isn't the funnier one here the one who clings to myths and delusions fed him by other men, this as opposed to what is in fact written right in scripture?

Nowhere in the entirety of the Old Testament is it indicated that Michael, is some sort of Heavenly body, yet you claim he is, why? And Michael wasn't some sort of unique name in the Old Testament, not at all.

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A. Michael, father of Sethur of the tribe of Asher

B. Michael, one of seven brothers among the people of Gad

C. Michael, Son of Baaseiah and father of Shimea.

D. Michael Son of Izrahiah

E. Michael, son of Beriah

F. Michael, who joined David when He went to the town of Ziklag

G. Micheal, father of Omri, of the tribe of Issachar

H. Michael, son of Jehoshaphat, King of Judah

I. Micheal, father of Zebadiah

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So, forgive me for not being the gullible one here believing that which isn't indicated by the author of the book.

So, which of the Michael's is being referred to by Daniel?

This same Micheal would be alive at the end time
Dan 12:1:
"At that time Michael will stand up. He is the great prince who stands for the children of your people. There will be a time of trouble that has not happened since the beginning of nations. Then your people will be delivered, every one whos name is found written in the book."

So, is this Michael a human being?

You just love blind arguments.

The books of Jude and Revelation showed part of the fulfillment of Daniel 12

Jud 1:9:
"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you."

Rev 12:7:
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"




Jude specifically said that Michael is an arch Angel!