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Abdulgaffar22:
1. Nobody can deny the fact that some things (like stars, sun, moon, trees, water, mountains, animals, human beings etc) exist right now.

2. These very things that exist right now can never originate or came from absolute nothing. This is because out of absolute nothing, nothing comes (i:e 0+0+0+0+0........=0). In other words, absolute nothing cannot manipulate itself to become something

3. Therefore, if some things exist right now and these things can never originate or came from absolute nothing, then at least, one something that has no beginning must always exist

4. This very something that has no beginning is what believers depicted as "God" and unbelievers or atheists depicted as "nature". Therefore, either God or nature must always exist without having no beginning. Hence, which one always exist without beginning; God or nature ? Let's proceed

5. Anything that change must definitely have a beginning. See the reason below ;

(i). A "change" always involve a transformation from "ORIGINAL STATE" to a "NEW STATE" in relation to time

(ii). Therefore, for a change to occur, the time frame required for the "original state" of an entity to exist must have been completed or finished. Otherwise, the "new state" would never begin to exist

(iii). Hence, if the time frame required for the "original state" of an entity to exist have been completed or finished, then such entity could not have been in existence for an infinite time.

(iv). And if an entity could not have been in existence for an infinite time, then such entity must began to exist

(v). So anything that change must definitely have a beginning

6. But it is an undeniable fact that "nature" is constantly changing from one state to another (e.g from day to night, from rainy season to dry season, from non-living matter to living matter etc). Therefore, nature must definitely have a beginning. Hence, following from step (4) above, the only entity that has no beginning and therefore can never change is God ;

"For I am the Lord. I change not (Malachi 3:6)".

"You will not find a change in Our ways (Qur'an 17:77)"

7. Now if something (i:e God) that has no beginning cannot change, then anything that change must definitely have a beginning and therefore cannot be God.

8. Therefore, if Jesus who was previously existing in heaven (according to Orthodox Christianity) later CHANGE to become a "MAN" walking on the surface of the Earth, then from what is explained above, Jesus (or any other entity that also change) cannot be God.

Of course, Bible itself confirm this obvious truth ;

As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus answered “Why do you call me good? No one is good—except God alone (Mark 10:17-18)

Look how Jesus rejected being called good and then acknowledged that only God is deserved to be called good.

See how both the logic and the scripture prove that Jesus cannot be God.

What can be more clearer than this ?

TenQ:
I'm so surprised you found yourself here. Your premise and argument is all faulty.

I will use your Islam to prove you wrong. But first, we need some clarifications!

Is your argument that
1. God cannot incarnate as a man (or any other form/shape)
or
2. God is not a man

Christians firmly know that God is not a man but God can incarnate as a man.
Num 23:19:
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: has he said, and shall he not do it? or has he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"



The ball in your court!

MaxInDHouse:
Accepted!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sure it's myself that i'm deceiving as long as i won't answer any question from you, i don't care if you quote my response to someone else but you in particular won't get an answer from me.
Keep what you think you know to yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
I said i'm not answerable to anyone here.
So keep what you know my response is only for those who want to learn from me and since you're not ready to learn from me keep your position and i'll keep mine!

MaxInDHouse:
Statement indeed!



So far you said it's not a question it's OK nah!

Chisomann:
My mum is late. I am the only girl among 3 boys. We have different dads.

How do I tell my brothers that I don't want to help them. They should go and hustle. I am tired of them begging me for everything. I don't want to carry their burdens cos I have my own life to live. I want to focus on my life first and they should also focus on theirs. I am sick and tired of them.

Candidlady:



If it is a girl child kindly take her to the nearest orphanage home.. •••send pm icould help financially•••

But

If it is a boy child kindly pass in peace kos the mum did what's best ... that gender need to be exterminated from this earth of ours

MaxInDHouse:
To who?
I'm not answerable to anyone after all you've got your own position so keep it!

MaxInDHouse:
So Maximus will only chat with whoever I feel like chatting with!

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i keep avoiding you {Romans 16:17} why can't you present what you were taught by your teachers in comparison to that of kobojunkie and Maximus?
Why must it be only Maximus that's talking about what he learned and from where he got it? 1Corinthians 4:7

You people just want to say what you feel about the scriptures so each of you want to stand alone {Luke 11:23} just like the religious teachers that you people choose for yourselves {2Timothy 4:3} in order to have multiple options instead of being submissive to the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10 compare to John 17:20-23

That is why i always hammer or emphasize on telling the forum who taught you these things so everyone can consider the FRUIT your teachers have produced {Matthew 7:16-18} and see if their interpretation is reliable! Hebrews 13:7

Henceforth i won't teach you anything unless you tell this forum who taught you but if you're keeping that to yourself then keep your opinion also to yourself!

Amb1045:
These are retired soldiers with families, nothing bad about it. They have to defend their country against NATO intruders. If you know you know. So if Nigeria is a working country and it turns out you have to defend it, will you shy away to do so even though you know death is involve. Fight against people trying to oppress your kind. But current I don't see myself defending Nigeria for corrupt politicians to loot the Nigerian treasure for them and there families.




Me as the commander of these troops, soldiers I know you're grumbling within you why you're here, I know you are not happy to be here but it's who you're, you are a soldier that has swear and oath to defend your country. You have to defend your motherland against barberrians, scavengers who will kill, rape your wife and kids. Steal your natural resource, destroy your cultural heritage. You have to defend your generation against such evil men, stand for what is right die for your country. Keep your head up because you will be remembered as a hero who stood up for your country when it matters the most. You're not fighting for the President rather you're fighting to uphold justice and rule of law against injustice of NATO to invade your brothers in Ukraine. Have no mercy for the enemy of these country, your motherland Russia. Defend it with your last blood.

Please before you quote me go and make more research about the war in Ukraine, these war has been going for nothing less than 5years ago. Russia intervened due to continues killing of Russian citizens in Ukraine territory. Russia is trying to liberate there people from the evil eyes of NATO.

nlfpmod:
https://twitter.com/OvieNews/status/1575169814234288128?t=nHclMmR5Ibsp8LyAvBIWfQ&s=08[/quote]Nigerian politicians no get shame.

The whole nation cannot refine one liter of crude oil AND we go destroy the so-called illegal refineries built by people who distill ogogoro!

Kobojunkie:
When you say literal are you somehow saying John's claim is God's Truth in this? If yes, I don't know of that since there's only one witness to this claim. However, if your question is whether John meant that the number he saw is as written, then my answer is yes, since it was after all his dream/vision.

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God absolutely had no expectations of the Jewish people in this - He knew from even before the people that as a people they would refuse to obey Him yet He chose them anyways and made it abundantly clear to them that His choice had nothing to to with any ideas of goodness in them. He even explained to them right in the Law He gave to them His plan to scatter them to the ends of the world over time, a cursed people for their disobedience of Him, promising to bring them back at the end when they are finally ready for Him to.
To then insist that God later changed His mind about the same Israel because they did exactly that which He knew they would from the beginning is ludicrous.

Abdulgaffar22:
Why God can never become a Man


First premise ; Existence of God has no beginning. In other words, God does not begin to exist. This is because if God began to exist, then there would be need for another God to bring that God into an existence and the cycle would be repeated to form an infinite regress. Hence, God must not begin to exist.

Do you believe in the first premise ? If no please signify. If yes, let's proceed to the next premise


Second premise ; If God does not begin to exist, then God did not create Himself at first instance. This is because something that was created must definitely have beginning.

Do you believe in the the second premise? If no please signify. If yes, let's proceed to the next premise.


Third premise ; If God did not create Himself at first instance, then God was not the determinant of His own nature since His nature was not created by Him. But God is the sole determinant of the nature of all things that He created.

Do you believe in the third premise ? If no please signify. If yes, let's proceed to the next premise



Fourth premise ; If God Himself was not the determinant of His own nature, then God cannot just "change" or "transform" His own nature to something else .


"I am the Lord. I change not (Malachi 3:6)
"

Do you believe in the fourth premise ? If no please signify. If yes, let's proceed to the conclusion


Conclusion ; If God cannot just "change" or "transform" His own nature to something else, then God's nature cannot be modified in any way ( either by addition or by subtraction) to become or acquire human nature .

Hence, Jesus (a human baby that developed inside the womb of a woman) cannot be God.


“This is what the Lord says—Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty:


I am the first and I am the last; apart from Me there is no God. Who then is like Me? Let him proclaim it............ Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides Me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.” (Isaiah 44:6-9)


It's very clear from the verses above that only God the Father ( as indicated by the personal pronoun I and Me) was speaking in exclusion of any other person. Now if the speaker (i:e God the Father) declared that "there is no other God besides Me", then how can you still believe that Jesus, a Man, (who is quite different from God the Father) is also God ?


Even Jesus himself also confirmed this obvious truth when he said ;

this is eternal life, that they may know You (i:e the God the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You (i:e the God the Father) have sent (John 17:3)


Again, it's very clear that the Man called Jesus was addressing another person (i:e God the Father) apart from himself as the only true God. Therefore, if God the Father is the only true God according to Jesus and Jesus is not the same person as the God the Father, then Jesus cannot be God.


Have you ever thought that if Jesus is truly not God and you deliberately take him as God, then you have certainly committed idolatry.


Qur'an declared as follows ;


"Those who say: "God is the Jesus Christ, son of Mary" have certainly fallen into disbelief. But the Christ himself said: "O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the polytheists there are no helpers (Qur'an 5:72)"

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where i asked for the gibberish you're carrying in your head?
Ọmọ i said tell others what you know about the topic of discussion and quit stalking me i'm not on the same page with you!

MaxInDHouse:
I don't have any business with you so speak to your kind!

I have already repented from arguing aimlessly with your type so stick to what you think you know.

So far you believe in your response it should be enough for you there's no need asking for what my own teachers taught me!

Sixfiguresmart:
If not for the sword and aggressive violence the size of Muslims, would have shrunk exceedingly below the population of Hebrews.

Sixfiguresmart:
haha they are stunned. Legalwolf and antichristian have been on hibernation.

You cannot run now. Come out.

Hit them hard bro. They are fledglings.

MaxInDHouse:
OK your position is in that comment shey?
Then you shouldn't have copied me because i'm not interested in what you typed i don't read your comments, i know it's gibberish.
So keep it for people like you!

MaxInDHouse:
You're just blabbing so i don't have your time when you're ready say what you were taught instead of asking me, i have spoken in volume what that Bible book means it's your turn to say yours!

Sixfiguresmart:
Surah 112:1 قُلْ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “He is Allah—One ˹and Indivisible˺;

In the Quranic verse, allah is mentioned to be ONE OF...

The actual word used up there in the quran is أَحَدٌ (Ahad) meaning 'one OF'. So just as the quran uses we to personate allah, there are surely them out there in Mecca. 'Wahid' means 'one'.

Another point is the spurious insertion of AND INDIVISIBLE in the English version when such a thing is not present in the Arabic inscription above.

Where did they get it?

MaxInDHouse:
I wonder why you can't present the group that can see what you're seeing at least to prove that you have many who can see spiritually like you! Matthew 12:46-50

MaxInDHouse:
You're just blabbing so i don't have your time when you're ready say what you were taught instead of asking me, i have spoken in volume what that Bible book means it's your turn to say yours!

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, the claims made by your person. though you seem to draw solely from that written in the dream/visions of John, are not corroborated by the Prophets and by Jesus Christ who we know had even prostitutes and married men among the ranks of His followers before His death.

Also, the claim that all Christians are among the first fruits of Jesus Christ - I don't know where you get that from.

2. As for the 144,000, they are not the multitude referred to in Revelations 7 at all. Instead, the multitude refers to the returned sons and daughters of Israel gathered from all corners of the earth. The 144,000 are the special people God sent out to gather them back to Jerusalem.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't believe gender was a factor in the sealing, so, to suggest them all males is not in accordance with any of what God Himself said of His special people.

2. Not necessarily, since Jesus Christ in His Gospel made it known that only those selected by the Father can be His. So, they weren't chosen per se by Jesus Christ, but by the Father.

3. What was said about them not being defiled by women does not necessarily indicate they are all males. And certainly does not mean none of them were ever married nor does it necessarily mean they were literal virgins at the time of their conversion. Remember that at the time that Jesus Christ chose His disciples, they were all of them sinners, and a few of the disciples were married - at least Peter was, and he was among the first of those chosen to rule over Israel with Jesus Christ when He returns.

4. All those people's were listed as being here on earth whereas the Throne of God is listed as being in Heaven though.

5. Throne of God is in Heaven while His tabernacle/Temple is situated here on earth during the Millenial reign in Jerusalem, God's Holy City, this is according to the records of the prophets - Isaiah and Jeremiah for one.

And those who will reign on earth are those who are of Israel, God's Nation of priests... they are the kings to reign over the kingdoms of the earth.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never went arguing with Pharisees rather it's Pharisees that's stalking Jesus just as you're doing now.
The other guy asked me a question and i answered but since you're not teachable i will direct you to go and meet your pastors!

Kobojunkie:
I should add at this point, that the idea that only the 144,000 will be in Heaven is a lie. Instead, the 144,000 Israelites are the elects who were sealed most likely at the time of Jesus Christ as God's special people and are expected to reign with Jesus Christ over the 12 tribes of Israel, this before the judgment day, and the second resurrection which is of those who are of the Kingdom of God.

So, the description of them is in regards to Israel and the first resurrection, and not the Kingdom of God and the second resurrection which comes right before Judgment day for those of the Kingdom of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and meet your pastors they will TEACH you, my own pastors taught me this things so there's no wahala!

MaxInDHouse:
Go and ask your pastors since i'm not your teacher. I've told you that if you have an idea present it for everyone that's what Jesus did when Pharisees challenged him i never quoted you again since you're always asking but never presenting anything.
Jesus is the one presenting just as i'm doing while Pharisees are the ones asking him questions without presenting their own opinion just as you're doing!

MaxInDHouse:
According to John the baptist if the Jews failed to exercise faith in God's plan for salvation God will pick people from other nations to fulfill what He promised Abraham! Matthew 3:9
Later Jesus told Jews that God has condemned their race {Matthew 21:43} only to pick few faithful once among them to fulfill the promises to Abraham!
Jesus told us an illustration that shows the bad condition Jews will later find themselves since they rejected God's prophets and finally the Messiah! Matthew 22:1-14
So the Jews will have double portion in the slot while all other races have few that's why the figurative Joseph had two portions, he will get a portion in his own generation (the first century Jews) who accepted Christ like twelve apostles and first century Jewish disciples of Christ and in the last days some Jews will later be chosen as part of the 144,000.
That's why the figurative twelve tribes Joseph has a slot and one of his sons (Manasseh) also had a slot, this means it's not all Israelites that will partake in the final selection just as other tribes of Israel are lost while few are remaining within the boarders of modern day Israel.
Dan's slot is missing, this means it's not from all races where faithful people are found that God will anoint brothers for Christ.

That's the sacred secret behind what John saw in the Bible book of Revelation 7:4-8

Kobojunkie:
There are no other records in scripture to refute his claim so it is possibly an exact number. From the much revealed by the Prophets, we know that

■ God promised to send out prophets to His own from among their brethren, so it makes sense that all those sealed by God would be of the stock of Israel
■ God also promised that He would send these special people out to bring back the lost sheep of israel from every tongue, every tribe and every nation in the world. So, the number, 144,000 also meets the some specification

happney65:
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