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Wilgrea7:
1) Human morality vs God's morality

It is commonly said, that if a God exists, then it would be the arbiter of good and evil, and therefore, we can only be good by aligning ourselves with its definition of good, and any deviation from that, would be evil.

For this position to make sense, anything, and I mean, ANYTHING, can be considered good, as long as a God says so. And even if we humans see something as subjectively good, that thing would not be objectively good except it is in line with what a God sets as good.

Now, on to my example. This was given to me by a brilliant Christian here, by the name of TenQ. He made reference to a toilet owner, and the germs of a toilet.

If I, the toilet owner, decides to disinfect my toilet, I will be killing millions of bacteria. To me, disinfecting my toilet is good. To the bacteria, it is clearly bad. But assuming I'm the arbiter of good and evil, my moral standards trump that of the bacteria.

But here's the question. Are the bacteria wrong for not wanting to die? If I murder millions of them, are they somehow wrong for seeing my actions as bad?

Now let's bring God into this scenario.

If a God decides that it is moral and good to boil all first babies in hot oil till they die, and humans consider that bad, are they wrong for doing so?

Even if a God, who is the arbiter of good and bad exists, on what basis are we to say that it's definition of good and bad have to be the one we adhere to? If I choose not to boil my child in oil, that will be seen as bad as per the God's standard. But am I really wrong for not wanting to do so?

Why exactly do we need to adhere to this God's definition of right and wrong?

Nebes:
When a younger brother insists on befriending and bringing his elder brother's enemy home there will never be piece in that home.

Religion aside, Ukraine can do without joining NATO. Why insist on provoking Russia? There's no gain in this. Russians and Ukrainians are the same people believe me. I remember meeting Ukrainians who prefer to refer to themselves as Russians.

NATO has really helped to damage Ukraine.

Steep:
what you don't know is that devil means daemons, they mean the same thing.

You have answered yourself. Lucifer is a fallen angel and he is also devil/demon.

The devil does not need to stay in a body permanently, I have showed you from the bible that the devil passed Judas iscariot.

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Steep:
I agree with you, but however remember that Enoch and Noah belong to the lineage of Seth and Seth was said to be the replacement of Abel. So it seems the children of Seth were brought up in the knowledge of God.

Before I proceed, Answer this question
Is lucifer a fallen angel or a demon?

Steep:
Yes there is something special about the family of Seth.

It is in this family men began to call on the name of the Lord.

Humans are also called sons of the most High

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Don't also forget that Adam was also called the son of God.

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

However, this is not definitive 100% proof against the sons of God being probably fallen angels, but however there is scriptural proof that fallen angels are demons and the offspring of the sons of God were humans who attained extraordinary feat.

So I am not disproving the verses you presented, yes angels are called sons of God so there is some evidence the the sons of God might be angels also there is evidence that they might not be and I am leaning towards the evidence that they might not be angels.

However, this is not definitive 100% proof against the sons of God being probably fallen angels, but however there is scriptural proof that fallen angels are demons and the offspring of the sons of God were humans who attained extraordinary feat.

LegalWolf:
If you cannot confirm who wrote your bible, stop calling mention

LegalWolf:
No you are the empty one. Why are you so scared to test the historicity of the Bible? Let's even start with Mark, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. Why being a wuss?

PeterObi4LP:
Greed is not good.
Yoruba do to others what you want them do for you. Our son Osibanjo is rounding up his tenure as VP, yet we want to still project Tinubu to take over. When SE start playing the games we are playing, you see people turn it into tribalism, bigotry and religion. If South East can't have it in 2023, then let the North continue to keep it until South decide to borrow some sense.

Jman06:
I hope you know that government's expenditures are budgeted for?

FG promised to release the financial aspect of ASUU'S demands in next year's budget, but ASUU did not agree.

On salary review, FG also accepted to make some upward adjustments in their salaries, to be reflected in next year's budget but ASUU would have none of that.

UTAS was said to have failed integrity tests so cannot be deployed as payment platform for the lecturers for now, yet ASUU is insisting that it must be deployed. Office of the accountant general of the federation has also asked to capture any peculiar allowances of lecturers on IPPIS but ASUU wouldn't take that.

itsRhamzy:
There's a thin line between demands and Blackmail. ASUU seem to be very good in using students as blackmail but it seems FG is serious with them this time around.

First you go on strike without even considering the students who are not complaining of anything, then you claim FG wants to destroy the university system, now you're dictating to your employer to accept your own mode of payment, then after all has lingered on for months close to a year you're still demanding all your salaries and arreas throughout those months sat at home should be paid or else you won't call off lol.

I hope FG pays CONUA the 8 months salaries to make lecturers ditch the selfish ASUU so they can be rendered useless. The educational sector is bad yet, ASUU continues contributing to the rot by wasting student's time at home. Nonsense and ASUU

LegalWolf:
All you need to is to debate on the authorship of the New Testament. Then I will translate. Scared?

Steep:
Daughters of men might refer to women that are not in the family of set.

Genesis 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Perhaps the sons of God were from the lineage of set while the daughters of men were women who were not from the lineage.

Ebubu:
prove i had a 3rd class or your father is a bastard mothered by a brothel staff.

LegalWolf:
The case is closed because you can't stand to see your useless book dismembered and shred to pieces. Even imbec1les won't hold on to fairy tale written by ghosts as a word of god. Case close until u take the challenge

Ebubu:
rest pls. don’t resume.

the nearest Msc holder who is teaching in private secondary school and earning 50k can’t wait to take your job and earn the least 115k.

know that if you are sacked, you can never get your job back.

Steep:
some certain people where called sons of God in the bible, the judges of Israel were called sons/children of the most High.

Read carefully Genesis 6

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Note the bolded that the giants were on earth when then sons of God married the daughters of men, also there were giants after those days.
Giant DNA is from Adam same way other DNA was in Adam.

Ebubu:
strike till infinity! shishi you won’t see even beyond Christmas and new year.

conua are here to work and be paid

Ebubu:
no need for them to resume work again. they can keep striking till infinity.

those wey wan resume work are waiting for CONUA to open registration portal.

LegalWolf:
This is the MISTAKE you are so making. By false approximation, you equate the NT to the Bible Allah was making reference to which CLEARLY IS NOT. The Quran NEVER CONFIRMED THE FRAUDULENT BOOK OF MARK, MATTHEW, LUKE, JOHN AND OTHER NON-APOSTOLIC TEACHING. How on earth can I stress this enough? . Why are you so scared in testing the NT?

Jman06:
Prof Osodeke and the rest of ASUU leaders are not very wise!

I was supporting ASUU before but withdrew my support when it became obvious that wisdom had taken a back seat in the struggle.

The best thing would have been to obey court order and return to class while negotiation continues.

LegalWolf:
Of course I will. Why is it difficult for you to want to subject your dubious bible to test? Why shitting on your pants! Why being a wuss? You know in your hearts of hearts that New Testament is not worth the paper it was written on!

At least I acknowledge a replacement and even commit to translate the verse. BUT YOU ARE RUNNING AWAY from discussing the authorship of the Bible. First even start by committing to answering questions on the sleazy authorship of the Bible before we can have any conversation. It’s a two way thing man and if you are so confident on your Bible, let’s test it’s integrity. Let us subject it to intellectual onslaught and see whether it stands.

To even make matter easy for you and tell you how good of a person I am. My assertion is that the Bible is a piece of crap from unknown authors in a language least known to subject and purported authors. You don’t need to do anything. I’m the one who assert and would piece out all the evidence together, the links, consensus of biblical scholars etc. Yours is just to disprove with credible sources.

I await you man. No confirmation. No going forward

lhordspy:
The only thing countries like North korea and Russia have in common is BALLS .

I love their courage, audacity, fearlessness, firmness, daring, fortitude,spirit, mettle, confidence, gutsiness,ballsiness, temerariousness, effontery. No time for nonsense.

How i wish China too with its vast economical strenght and power can also be able to stand its ground and not just make empty threats everytime the United state toy with them through Taiwan.

That would make Taiwan stop playing games with China by entertaining those evil westerners close to China.
Isn't it surprising that every world tension, upset, uprising, war is always connected to the US in one way or the other. Always going around pitting Nations against Nations. Japan and Taiwan too may learn the hard way just like ukraine is learning now.

China needs to man up,show balls too, and start acting like a world power they are. Not empty threats here and there everytime.

Steep:
The nephilims were in the land and afterwards not that the Nephillims were bore by the sons of God.
If the Sons of God were fallen angels ( demons) they could have possessed the bodies of human male to marry the women the children bore would still be human.

Or it is possible that the Sons of God are not angels.

There are evidence that seems to suggest that the sons of God in Genesis 6 are not angels but men.

LegalWolf:
Lol, all I see is that you replaced Allah with Aisha. In fact, this statement is nothing controversial. Don’t you think it is dumb to be using AI when translating a language. How old are you? How on earth would I be evasive? Of all things, Christianity? The dumbest of religion?

Accept we discuss the authorship of the New Testament. Unless you answer my questions on those, forget it. I won’t dignify you with a response. But and only but that, nothing else.

Note: notice I used NT and the not the Bible. Let us put it in the witness box and we are fine. You can weasel away from debating the NT while I talk about the Quran. It doesn’t work that way. Or are you scared that the embellishment, lies and deceit your Daddy GOs have told you would evaporate?

TenQ:
Answer my question and stop being evasive. Translate the simple Arabic script


إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ۝٥

Steep:
Nephilim are not a product of fallen Angel and human.

jikins:
Lol changing topic as usual when you have nothing to say. Show me where Elon Musk mentioned US tax payers or stfu. When you read with bias no wonder logic gets over your head. Someone who supported Ukraine at the start of the war suddenly becomes Russia lover because he ask for freedom of expression.

While one uneducated coconut who hasn't done one single thing to help Ukraine in their fight suddenly thinks his bias takes makes him intelligent. Someone that can't understand how an electrical conductor works is calling the owner of one of the leading ai and innovative companies in the world unintelligent. Only on nairaland I swear are people this delusional.

Truvelisback:
True. I have red abt this Book "Omo oba Jesu". Demons are under the control or supervision of Fallen angels. Fallen angels do send them.

gammarays1:
The small dog backed by big Lions should invade and kill the rich bully.

It's called a war

Steep:
of course they were Adam's children but however not a hybrid. A Liger is neither a tigr or a lion.

Sixfiguresmart:
Every Arabic speaker knows this. It is a clear fact.

They simply act blind. Only ex-muslims can tell you the fact cos that control disappears. The fear of having chains as bit as 70 cubit strung through your anus and pulled out of their noses are no longer there. Imagine what allah intends to do with people's anuses. Imagine the amount of odor that serenades allah.

Surah 87:6 We will have you recite ˹the Quran, O Prophet,˺ so you will not forget ˹any of it˺,

Ask him if allah RECITES the quran or not. Note: To recite the quran you have to say bismillah(bi ismi ilah - in the name of God).

Sixfiguresmart:
on that note, their quran is nailed. The initial argument was fewer vocabulary hence words are mixed with meanings.