Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 5:25pm On Jul 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Most of you guys do profess faith in Jesus of Nazareth but when issues having to do with his teachings comes up you quickly trash his sayings! Matthew 15:7-8
Today Russian citizens whose sons and daughters have died in the war are crying and protesting against their own government. So who is deceiving who? My friend the problem is politicians deceiving you people making you feel they're fighting for your good whereas all they're interested in is their ambitions. Russia annexed Ukraine, Ukraine annexed Russia. What's the business of a true disciple of Christ whose mind is focused on God's Kingdom? Matthew 5:38-42 Please there's no problem as long as God's Kingdom is yet to come all human governments are evil whether they speak your mother tongue or Ànàgó!  I asked the questions because I know that JW are in both Russia and Ukraine. Because it seemed you don't mind if Russia decided to annex Ukraine, so I asked: As far as you are concerned, it is okay if Russia demand that Ukraine be annexed to their country. Would it be okay if Ukraine also demand that Russia be annexed into their country?If both is okay: how do you resolve the problem? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 5:03pm On Jul 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: None is good or bad as far as i'm concerned, as long as they're all humans having rulers over them. Whether Russia or Ukraine both meant countries where humans rule over them. They were both together before shey? So what's the difference nah? 
You just keep complicating issues! Neither Russia nor Ukraine represent any form of religious group so the case remains 100% political. If Ukrainians become Russians it's the same treatment Russians will get as well as Ukrainians under that government.
You should have said America came and demand that Nigeria becomes one of their states so that our leaders will be under American government, the same treatment as Americans are experiencing over there. Whoever picks up weapons in support of either side is not fighting a just course from the standpoint of Jesus Christ of Nazareth the same way the military intelligence will view the matter because whether blacks or whites you will still remain a subject (citizen) I am a Christian so i can't be the president of any country, whoever wants to rule should go there and perform whatever he feels all i know is that things will continue to get worse until God's Kingdom comes to wipe all human governments away! Daniel 2:44  As far as you are concerned, it is okay if Russia demand that Ukraine be annexed to their country. Would it be okay if Ukraine also demand that Russia be annexed into their country? If both is okay: how do you resolve the problem? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 4:57pm On Jul 25, 2022 |
LordReed: First off I dunno where you got the idea that Dawkins is my mentor, I guess you were going for some kind of humour. Well jokes on you since I haven't even read any of his books. It was actually a joke. But most atheists on NL take these people like Christians take their Pastors and Apostles LordReed: Secondly, I guess in your eagerness to present me in some kind of gotcha situation didn't read what I wrote properly. Here it is again:
As Alvin Ash says, how many tickets did we buy? You got me wrong here: I wasn't trying to present you in any gotcha situation Dawkins seem to have his explanation based on the existence of millions of universe (occuring simultaneously with our universe). Of course you know that not one of these multiverse has been found You on the other hand claims that if the physical constants were changed, it will result into the creation of another kind of universe. Physics already showed the effect of having some of the universal constant changed by a small factor (the universe wouldn't exist). The theory of multiverse was created because of this (to decrease the statistical improbability). That was why I wanted you to first listen to Alvin Ash, before Dawkins and finally Craig. Do you honestly believe that million of Universe exist simultaneously with our own?
My conclusion still remains this:There is enough information available to make reasonable conclusions. Study all the arguments and choose that which seem reasonable to you. Reason must be without sentiments. Pastor Dawkins and Pastor Craig were chosen so that you can listen to their arguments and adopt an unbiased logical view. |
Politics › Re: Hypertensive Man Dies As Bribe-Chasing Lastmamen Seize Vehicle by TenQ: 4:20pm On Jul 25, 2022 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 4:11pm On Jul 25, 2022 |
LordReed: And your point is? Alvin Ash spoke of the statistical improbability of a situation with a change in physical constant producing another universe occuring. He says, "we must have won a cosmic lottery". Your mentor Dawkins dismissed with no reason that an architect was behind the Universe BUT went on to support the Multiverse Theory (also without an iota of evidence). For him any other argument is okay as long as it doesn't relate to God. He is a biased man that cannot be trusted. Craig used the same physics to explain why there has to be an architect behind the creation of the Universe. In summary:There is enough information available to make reasonable conclusions. Study all the arguments and choose that which seem reasonable to you. Reason must be without sentiments. Pastor Dawkins and Pastor Craig were chosen so that you can listen to their arguments and adopt an unbiased logical view. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 3:55pm On Jul 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You don't need to demonize one politician just to make the other look like an angel. I told you from the onset: Ukraine did not invade Russia. It's the opposite. Even till today, Ukraine has not fired one bullet into Russia. Ukraine has not made any demand from Russia except to be left alone. In 2014, Russia took Cremia and annexed it to Russia and Ukraine did not fight back to reclaim it. So, who is the bad person here? MaxInDHouse: So if the ruler of Russia decides to extend his boarders in order to make Ukraine part of Russia there's no crime after all he's not making Ukrainians slaves to Russians rather he's trying to reclaim states that broke away from Russia. Then Ukrainians only need to surrender to the will of Russia their former country instead of planning a siege which has led to killings between the two countries. Ukraine was never part of Russia. Ukraine was part of the former Soviet Union with Russia as the capital. They speak different languages. I guess you were this simplistic about the issues because your little understanding of the historical bond between Russia and Ukraine. MaxInDHouse: If i live as a Nigerian or Cameroonian or Togolese the only difference is whatever name you give the country we will still live under the rulership of our fellow humans not God. So it's no big issue!
This same thing occurred in the first century. Jesus of Nazareth preached about God's Kingdom but Jews were anticipating a revolution against Rome. So everything Jesus taught this people fell on deaf ears because they're bent on been ruled by a fellow Jew and Jesus told them that God's kingdom has been taken away from them and given to another nation producing it's fruit {Matthew 21:43} so they shouldn't think of Romans as enemies but keep praying for God's Kingdom to come {Matthew 6:9-10} when everyone will gain freedom from human domination! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9
Whether you claim to be a Nigerian or you're claiming Cameroonian politicians only need your support or effort to fight for their selfish ambitions, you will still remain a subject to either side there's no difference!  Let me simplify the problem for you. Scenario ONE:Boko Haram seized the Government power and demanded that henceforth 1. All Muslims pay zero tax 2. All Christians pay 60% tax 3. No more religious gathering of whatever form except at the Masjid on Fridays What will you do? Bokoharam are humans under God Scenario TWO:Because of Governments complicit action with "bandits", they randomly enter Christian homes at random and perform havocs from stealing, rape, kidnap and demand heavy ransom. Will you prepare to defend yourself in case the bandits come to your house? Bandits are humans under God Scenario THREE:You are the President of Nigeria, would you disband the Army, Police and all who carry arms? Thank you |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 2:58pm On Jul 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: YES! It's humans that are living in Ukraine and it's humans that's living in Russia so if Ukrainians aren't going for war against their neighbours in Russia the first step to take is call their leader and demand that he speak with the leader of Russia so both men can come to agreement over whatever issue is between them {Matthew 5:25} whoever picks up weapons in support of either Putin or Zelenskyy is not a lover of peace. That's what Jesus reproved Peter for when his enemies sent soldiers to arrest him, note that if Jesus has allowed his disciples to fight for him it would have become a war because Jesus already had thousands of disciples back then {John 12:19} so it's not just the twelve but they can't fight because that's not what he taught them to do in the face of opposition or rivalry! Matthew 5:43-48
So Ukrainians are also going for war from the standpoint of the military intelligence otherwise they only need to raise white flags throughout Ukraine as a sign of solidarity to whatever the commanding officer who is leading the advancing army wants!
May you have PEACE!  A very simplistic view I must say. Russia want a number of things from Ukraine 1. First option: annex Ukraine to Russia 2. Second Option: Make Ukraine a Puppet of Russia 3. Third option: Annex the whole of the Donbas Region, down to the sea port of Mariupol, down to the port at Odessa. Effectively cutting off Ukraine from any of her access to the sea and making it a land locked nation. It means that Ukraine would have to depend on Russia for her imports and exports. If you are the President of Ukraine, how would you discuss or negotiate with Putin (who is bent on having his way) Will you support annexation of Ukraine to Russia to have peace? Will you arrange how Ukraine can be a puppet of Russia for the sake of peace? Will you opt to give Russia the Donbas Region AND all the sea ports of Ukraine and thus have to depend on Russia for international trades?Over to you Maximus! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 2:41pm On Jul 25, 2022 |
LordReed: I don't get why you linked these videos. The physicist doesn't make any conclusions, Dawkins is obviously against the idea of a god being the cause and Craig is not an atheist, so what exactly is your point? Alvin Ash(An Atheist) concluded that we must have bought a cosmic lottery to exist! Then he asked a rhetorical question: How many tickets did we buy? Dawkins (An Atheist) conclusion was that any idea of God should be thrown out of the window for his Multiverse Theory! Multiverse Theory is still a speculation for which not a single verifiable evidence support! Craig (A Christian) uses the same physics to show that the origin of the Universe must have come from an intelligent source. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 10:45am On Jul 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: I was once a soldier as in military intelligence so i can prove to you that the only reason why people go to war is POLITICS!
 Is Ukraine going to war against Russia politics? How? What would you have advised Ukraine to do in the face of Russian aggression (Don't forget that in 2014, Russia seized Cremia from Ukraine)? Thanks |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 10:32am On Jul 25, 2022 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 9:40am On Jul 25, 2022 |
LordReed: My own observations don't lead me to accept that conclusion. My understanding of the physical laws of the universe around us shows that what we call order is the effects of these laws stacking up on themselves, one could almost say the universe is reiterative with reiterations producing sometimes novel effects. There doesn't appear to be any conscious drive in this order/stacking/reiteration nor does it appear to be intelligent, just repetitive. I would like to know why your own observations leads you to accept such a conclusion. Are you saying that the universe would still have existed if just one of the universal constants were to change by just 5%? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by TenQ: 9:27am On Jul 25, 2022 |
Wilgrea7: Happy Sunday people,
One common topic that gets brought up in discussions between theists and non-believers, is the existence of a God, who created everything we know to exist. After all, why is there something rather than nothing?
Theists usually consider the design of the universe, the intricacy and complexity of everything, as evidence for an omnipotent, intelligent, and complex designer.
Common attributes assigned to this creator often include;
1. Eternal 2. Complex/Intelligent 3. Singular 4. Conscious 5. Personal 6. Omnipotent/ infinitely powerful
My question is, why exactly does it have to be this way? Based on our current observation of the universe, we can accept that it was intelligently, or consciously designed. But the attributes of the alleged creator, seem like a bit of a jump to me.
I'll give some examples below. 1. EternalInfinite regress of cause and effect is impossible. There must be a first cause of everything 2. Complex/IntelligentDo you believe that a dummy can create the physical constants in physics and chemistry and arrive at order? 3. SingularIf infinite regress of cause and effect is impossible, it exclude several causes generating the first effect. The probably (from scientific point of view) is extremely low that there would be two "first cause" 4. ConsciousIf such a being is intelligent, must He not be conscious? 5. PersonalIf He created the universe for His purpose, and especially humans: would he not relate with his creations at a personal level? 6. Omnipotent/ infinitely powerfulCompute the total energies stored in all of existence (stars, galaxies, planets etc) relative to what we can grasp as humans is this not infinite? Your questions are answered! |
Politics › Re: Fashola: Right Thinking Nigerians Will Vote For APC In 2023 by TenQ: 8:57am On Jul 25, 2022 |
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Politics › Re: Kashim Shetima: I Will Defend Every Religion If Elected Vice-President by TenQ: 8:30am On Jul 25, 2022 |
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Politics › Re: Muslim-Muslim Ticket: Fayemi Urges CAN To Evolve A Charter Of Demands by TenQ: 7:50am On Jul 25, 2022 |
posty56: it's Always our brothers from the West trying to sell us out! to please their slave masters! in the name of politics.
vote for Peter obi You are de-marketing Peter Obi with this tactics of yours. PO cannot win by Eastern votes alone. He needs a sizable number of votes from the East and North to win. Why choose to make enemies of the West in order to sell PO? I am from the West and a strong supporter of Peter Obi but you just claimed that "I am selling you out": how? |
Politics › Re: Muslim-Muslim Ticket: Fayemi Urges CAN To Evolve A Charter Of Demands by TenQ: 7:45am On Jul 25, 2022 |
alizma: Well said. If not for the Muslim Muslim choice by Tinubu, many Christian leaders and their members would have remain quite, show no interest in the election till after 2023 election, then they would have returned to complain about bad government or so. Have Nigerian Christians ever been this active towards election? Despite complaining about Tinubu's choice, have you heard any of them talking about how Tinubu will win if he chooses a Christian VP? No, the focus is just on why not a Christian VP? Unfortunately that is not how politics works, you have to do your proper calculation and position yourself to win, it is base on facts not emotional judgement. Tambuwal stepped down for Atiku not because he hate his friend, Wike but because he felt as a party, they stand a better chance with Atiku than Wike and any politically informed and unbiased Nigerian know very well that is true. So for me, it was just as Fayemi has put it, it is more of a political calculation than any other thing. It is a good political calculation BUT it came at a very wrong time just after 7 years of marginalization of Christians by this current government (even with a Christian VP). Why should Christians trust APC as a party? |
Politics › Re: Obi Increases Lecturers' Pay To More Than Dep Governor's, ASUU Rejects It (2010) by TenQ: 7:32am On Jul 25, 2022 |
Northernblood8: Was the salary increased or not?
Go and Verify.
Obi played his part but Professors kept on asking for more. Lecturers asked for a scheme of salary documenting the increment not just an increase in salary . ASSU is wiser than the government representatives! |
Crime › Re: The Proud Yahoo Boy In Viral Ritual Video Arrested (Photo) by TenQ: 7:10am On Jul 25, 2022 |
Stallionhorse: So why was he arrested?? For bragging or for performing rituals? Abi nah Mumu dey sorry the op and Nigerian police? His bank accounts would be scrutinized for suspicious inflow of dollars. He'll be in trouble for anyone he can't prove! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Should Keeping Virginity Still Be Preached Concerning Christian Marriages? by TenQ: 7:05am On Jul 25, 2022 |
cutecommend: We have many Christian sisters and Christian brothers who are not virgins, some are awesome people. You might even see a decent-looking and committed Christian sister, and when you confirm, she is not a virgin. Should virginity still be preached or should we just go by love and move on?
Again, does not being a virgin have side effect in marriage? Just ask yourself this question: Should the opposite be preached in churches?In my church (I don't know of others, statistics show that about 66% have one member a virgin at marriage and about 57% with both as virgins at marriage) |
Romance › Re: Should l Succumb To Pressure And Marry This Girl? by TenQ: 1:48pm On Jul 21, 2022 |
victooman: Good day nairalanders,, l met a beautiful and excellent girl during my Nysc, honestly she is everything l need in a woman, We finish our service last year and started life in Abuja, she live with her sister and doing her own business while l live alone in the same town,, The problem now is that this girl mother is already pressurizing her for marriage,, she is 27 yrs and the mother is already making her looks like she is too old for marriage,, yesterday she came to my house looking all moody and worried,, when l enquired she told me her mom is asking her when the man she is dating will come home for introduction,, l took my time to explain things to her,we can't go into any marriage without been financially stable,l have a business l am running and l am looking at stability of that business in 3-4yrs time,,l told her l wont give you any specific date on when to come see her people ,,but l assured her if she stick with me God knows l wont think of any other woman during marriage,,, she told me her plan is to get married at 25yrs and l told her things dont always work out the way we plan them,, honestly l dont want to lose this girl and l also dont want to rush anything,, what do l do nairalanders... Unfortunately you have no assurance she can bank on. Marriage is not all about when everything is set. What if your acclaimed business collapse two weeks into your marriage? |
Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Convert To Islam by TenQ(op): 5:21am On Jul 21, 2022 |
haekymbahd: see guy we are okay with Islam nobody is forcing you to join Islam it is your choice don't act like you are feeling insecure with your religion...
Read the same Hadith we know Angel Gabriel was there with him on the death bed and he never made any of such claims...
To you is your religion to us is ours the same verse that talked about cutting of arts also said this...
Allah SWT said:
"And indeed, the Qur'an is a reminder for the righteous." (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 48)
"And indeed, We know that among you are deniers." (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 49)
"And indeed, it is the truth of certainty." (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 51)
I ask you not about wht you have memorized. I asked you 1. Are these fabricated verses of the Qur'an and the Hadith? 2. By who? 3. For what purpose? Simple! |
Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Convert To Islam by TenQ(op): 3:54am On Jul 21, 2022 |
advocatejare: "And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings," (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 44) َََََُّْ ِ
"We would have seized him by the right hand;" (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 45) ََّْ ََََُُ "Then We would have cut from him the aorta." (QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 46)
Sahih Bukhari Vol 5 book 59 Hadith 713 Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." -Sunan Abu Dawud 39:4495-4498 Beautiful.Thanks for the information age: it is difficult now to keep lies alive under the guise of "you don't know Arabic"! Are these fabricated verses of the Qur'an and the Hadith? By who? For what purpose? AntiChristian: compton11: haekymbahd: mhmsadyq: alfarouq: ictplotter: |
Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Convert To Islam by TenQ(op): 7:45pm On Jul 20, 2022 |
His famozine1: I have a question great prophet of God don't just die anyhow up till date nobody knows where Moses was buried Elijah went to heaven directly with flesh Jesus spoke about how is going to die he even came back to life d 3rd most of the apostles in new testament willingly die for the Gospel but some as great as Muhammad a prophet,judge the last and only prophet he doesn't talk about how he is going to die he doesn't come back to life after his death we never had of him again he died the death of ordinary person how can someone share more light on dis bcoz we learn everyday Mohammed's jugular vein was severed from the poison he took from the other thing he lives after women; meat! It seems it's also a sign that he is a false prophet. I'm looking for the hadith of the jugular vein! |
Christianity Etc › Re: I Want To Convert To Islam by TenQ(op): 7:40pm On Jul 20, 2022 |
HedwigesMaduro: You forgot the 6th pillar; being ready to blow people up for Allah. Are you also ready for this part? Ya Allahu Ya Allahu You almost made me explode with laughter. Abegi allow me enjoy my wife here on earth first o. I no dey for any hurry now o! We can always send volunteers to do the exploding on our behalf. |
Romance › Re: Nigerian Man Marries His Husband In The USA. by TenQ: 6:07pm On Jul 19, 2022 |
Thonia69: Yeah I'm, you? Like so, they always claim! |
Romance › Re: Nigerian Man Marries His Husband In The USA. by TenQ: 3:22pm On Jul 19, 2022 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: If Allah Is NOT Yahweh, All Muslims Are In Trouble by TenQ(op): 9:46am On Jul 19, 2022 |
haekymbahd: Jews from their scripture knew if the messiah comes he is not comming as God you can ask any Jew yourself don't assume for them..
Isaiah 63 9 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the Angel of His presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them; and He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.(A)
10 But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; therefore He turned to become their enemy and Himself fought against them.
We saw angels being called holyspirit in the Jewish scripture..
The Holyspirit which christians refer to as 3rd person in their trinity to Muslims, Jews is a force not a being. The holy spirit is not God to be worshipped.
The Jews don't beleive the Holyspirit is a being stop trying to link Christianity to Judaism 2 different religion and both worship different God entirely the the Jews know this bitter truth only christians are attaching themselves to them....
Allah SWT said:
"And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 87) Your ignorance of Yahweh is so evidently displayed in that you don't know that He sometimes appears to His prophets as "the Angel" called the Angel of the Lord. In the book of Isaiah 63:9-12, the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) is God Himself. It was He (the Holy Spirit) that Created the Universe Gen 1:1-2: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters." The same Yahweh appeared to Abraham as man Gen 18:1-2: "And the LORD appeared to him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, see, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground," The same Yahweh appeared as an Angel to stop Abraham from Sacrificing Isaac Gen 22:11-12: "And the angel of the LORD called to him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not your hand on the lad, neither do you any thing to him: for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son from me. " Gen 22:15-16: "And the angel of the LORD called to Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, said the LORD, for because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son:" Jacob also testified: as this Angel of the Lord is God Himself Gen31:11, Gen 32:30Gen 31:11: "And the angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I." Gen 32:30: "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."Moses also saw this angel as God Exodus 3:2, Exodus3:6Exo 3:2: " And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the middle of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed." Exo 3:6: "Moreover he said, I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look on God." Do you need more schooling even from the Tanakh? This is why Jesus Himself said that: Mat 12:31-32: "Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: except the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." The Holy Spirit is NOT an Angel my Friend. haekymbahd: I understand what christians worship perfectly the Jehovah of the Jehovah witness and Jews is not the same Jesus of the christians.
Some Trinitarians wants the world to beleive that Jehovah and Jesus are the same being when we all know they are not. But only the gullible be ones can be deceived to fall into this trap. The question was not about the Trinity as you don't understand it. Ask questions. Of course the Jesus of the JW is different from the Jesus of other Christians. Their own Jesus is Angel Michael! The question was The Yahweh of Jews is described by the Holy Spirit who is the manifestation of the presence of God. Unfortunately, the same holy spirit in Islam is angel Gabriel. How come?Since the angels never once introduced himself, how did Mohammed know that it was angel Gabriel? haekymbahd: 2corinthians 6 vs 14 14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers [do not make mismated alliances with them or come under a different yoke with them, inconsistent with your faith]. For what partnership have right living and right standing with God with iniquity and lawlessness? Or how can light have fellowship with darkness?
this is deception from you christians why not quote the verses that precedes that to know why Allah made such statement istead of misinterpreting verses when the reason you want to make friend is basically to convert them to unbelievers..
Allah SWT said:
"O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves, for they will not spare you [any] ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason." (QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 118)
"Here you are loving them but they are not loving you, while you believe in the Scripture - all of it. And when they meet you, they say, We believe. But when they are alone, they bite their fingertips at you in rage. Say, Die in your rage. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of that within the breasts." (QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 119)
Fake love when all you want to do is convert and turn Muslims to unbelievers according to your religion are Muslims not unbelievers where you not told not to make friends with Muslims. Can't you see that the two scriptures are not equivalent. 2Cor 6:14-17: "Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness? And what concord has Christ with Belial? or what part has he that believes with an infidel? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Why come out from among them, and be you separate, said the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you." 1. Christians were commanded NOT to partner with UNBELIEVERS! 2. The command is NOT to fight them BUT come out from amongst THEM!HOWEVER, the Command of Allah is that 1. Moslems should not partner with BELIEVERS! 2. Moslem should FIGHT them to submission 3. Moslems should TAX Christians and Jews until the feel Humiliated To you, it makes no difference: for Allah who says he and the God of the Christians and Jews is the same!? Is all your arguments to prove that the God of the Muslims (Allah) is the God of the Christians and Jews (Yahweh)?If it is NOT, then you are in trouble! |
Christianity Etc › Re: If Allah Is NOT Yahweh, All Muslims Are In Trouble by TenQ(op): 11:13pm On Jul 18, 2022 |
haekymbahd: Taqqiya as usual the Jews there are those in Arabia who connided with the pagans of Arabia to kill Muhammad and Muslims.
When the Muhammad got to medina did he fight the Jews and Christians. The Muslims were even lenient and gave them conditions despite all the Jews did to them when they got to Arabia.
1. Pay tax and stay in Arabia
2. If the Jews hate on the Muslims then they should leave Arabia
Only Jews and Christians who disobeyed God are to be punished See the conditions given to people who you claim to worship their Deity. Pay a heavy humiliating tax until they feel subdued (you didn't add that part) Let's see what your Allah commands Qur'an 9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.Religion of peace indeed! |
Christianity Etc › Re: If Allah Is NOT Yahweh, All Muslims Are In Trouble by TenQ(op): 10:16pm On Jul 18, 2022 |
haekymbahd: This is the taqqiya you christians are found of..
Ask the Jews if they don't also beleive the christians are following wrong doctrine with trinity... Jews do NOT believe that Jesus is the Messiah. However, Jews and Christians know and agree that the Holy Spirit is of God ALONE. In Islam, is the Holy spirit not Jubril!?How can God's Spirit be relegated to the level of an Angel?haekymbahd: To Jews and Muslims we both know that The messiah is a messenger of God so if you claim to worship Jehovah and Jesus it means you worship 2 gods ask the Jews this question forget about Islam for now... Shebi if you don't understand what Christians mean by Trinity, you will ask and stop creating Strawman arguments like Allah who says trinity is Allah, Mary and Jesus. At least we know that the God of the Christians and the God of the Muslims are different Gods. Is the God of the Jews the same as the Allah of Muslims?NO! The Yahweh of Jews is described by the Holy Spirit who is the manifestation of the presence of God. Unfortunately, the same holy spirit in Islam is an angel. How come?
In creation of the heavens and the earth, we see the manifestation of God in creation Gen 1:1-2: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters." If you as Muslims have the same God as the Jews, how come your holy spirit is an angel Jubril? Are the other angels unholy?haekymbahd: Allah loves Jews who uphold the Laws given to them only disobedient ones are punished...
Allah SWT said:
"Say, O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people." (QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 68)
Does the christian God love Jews and muslims why will he put the Jews and Muslims in hell for rejecting Jesus as their God...
Taqiyya A the same time the hatred of Allah is manifested in this command to you Muslims. Qur'an 5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.The above says the supposed God of both the Jews and the Christians. Who told you that God is putting Jews into hell? Rom 11:26: "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:"At the time of the Messiah, all of Israel would be saved. But in spite of all these, the name of the God of the Jews is Yahweh. The name of the God of the Christians is Yahweh. Your Allah knows that Jews and Christians are different beliefs yet he says he is the same one both worship.This is obviously a Lie and a deception! |
Christianity Etc › Re: If Allah Is NOT Yahweh, All Muslims Are In Trouble by TenQ(op): 8:43pm On Jul 18, 2022 |
Maynman: Before christianitu was created “gudan” has already been in existence and it does not mean “creator”
The word “god” is from greek theos, that’s where you get theology and theism.
Yahweh doesn’t belong to the semetic tribe, he is from shasu tribe. Elohim is the god of the semetic and he has a wife asheera! If you don't know that ELOHIM/ELOHA means deity, too bad! |
Christianity Etc › Re: If Allah Is NOT Yahweh, All Muslims Are In Trouble by TenQ(op): 7:55pm On Jul 18, 2022 |
Maynman: The word “god” is derived from greek theos. That’s where theism, atheism, theology so on and forth comes from, and not to forget New Testament was written in this same Greek!
There’s no where in that link where it mentions “God” as creator. The word god/God is derived from Germanic languages. Theos is Greek for god/God. The adoption of Christianity in Europe and specifically amongst the English converted the Germanic "got" to the English equivalent "god/God". Where "God" is reserved for the Creator and "God" for any other deity Maynman: The god of the semetic tribe is Elohim, Yahweh is only god of the Israelites. Yahweh is one of the sons of elohim/allah Yahweh is the specific name of the Elohim/Eloha of the Semitic tribes. The word used for god in Exodus 12:12 is Elohim. It simply means Deity ! Exo 12:12: "For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD." |
Christianity Etc › Re: If Allah Is NOT Yahweh, All Muslims Are In Trouble by TenQ(op): 7:44pm On Jul 18, 2022 |
haekymbahd: Ask the Jews if their deity is trinity. Our deity is not trinity our God is one .
I guess the God of Romans and not isreal is a trinity God The God of the Christians is ONE: Islamic Taqqiyya creates a Strawman argument with Trinity. Let me ask you a question: Let's for argument sake assume that the God of the Muslims is exactly the same as the God of the Jews, why does the Allah of the Muslims hate the Jews so much and seek their extermination?Or , does Allah love the Jews? |