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ollah1:
It has being DEFINED, EXPLAINED, EXPATIATED, DISCUSSED, DESCRIBED, HIGHLIGHTED, LISTED ET AL. What else do you wanna read?

Nothing was defined........... A local champion wouldn't have won any European Cup. That's why you couldn't give any definition for it.

raumdeuter:
1. He moved around multiple clubs

2. He never coached a club as rich as Man utd

3. He never coached a club where he had a free hand that Ferguson had

4. When he won the first one, He immediately left to another club and won another

Moving around wasn`t an excuse for him not to have won it more than two times in 25yrs club coaching career.

Dadehmola:
I think their argument is ; "if the likes of Carlotti, Guardiola etc had managed at a top club for 25 years, they woulda won many more UCL trophies"

Personally, I feel sir Alex coulda done much better - his records aren't too impressive TBH. 2 UCL wins, losing finalists twice & maybe 3 Semi-final appearances in 25 years isn't exactly a record one can boast of.

I`ll only consider Carlotti in that wise. Pep winning it with that Barca doesn`t make him special.

raumdeuter:
You cannot expect someone who coached for 25yrs to win more than one who coached for 40yrs. If he does then its either one is a genius or the other is mediocre

And why didn`t the coach that coached for 25yrs win more than two as well? Your point is only valid if he had won more than two in the same 25 yrs.

raumdeuter:
Then this assertion would lend more credence to the Local champion jab you are trying to avoid from ollah1

Maybe you should define that Local Champion for us since Ollah can`t define it.

raumdeuter:
How many years did Ferguson spend coaching?

See shift. You asked a question and i answered. So why this question?

I`ve told you the years it took him him win UCL is immaterial. Since the inception of Champions league both old and new only Ancelotti have won it more than SAF. We`ll have to wait for others to surpass that before being counted to be superior to him in Europe.

raumdeuter:
Actually Ferguson was given the powers and he was buying

He broke transfer records multiple times. Players like Rooney, Pallister, Stam, Ferdinand, Veron Yorke were all record transfers

Madrid has been changing coaches. if they had just 1 coach like man Utd then they could have won more than 2

I`m still maintaining that he wasn`t given such powers to buy any players that he wanted at any price.

If he had such powers, why then did he sell Ronaldo for over £80mil and bought Valencia as his replacement? Why didn`t he spent the whole money on big players?

All those players you mentioned were once in a while signings. Why didn`t he buy 3 or 4 of such players in a season?

ollah1:
Local champion: Sir Alex Ferguson aka Mr Tomato face

You can`t even define what you are saying.

raumdeuter:
How many of the coaches you know have spent 26yrs coaching not to talk of in 1 club where you are the Lord and master

Hitzfield spent 25yrs, Juup Heynkes spent 34 yrs coaching club careers.

ollah1:
Man u have been the richest club for decades. Your current coach wouldn't coach one top side for 26 years and win just two trophies. Nobody would have heard of him if he wasn't managing an English club side.

He was simply a local Champion

Please, define local champion for me.

raumdeuter:
Ferguson was the coach and manager he determines who he wants to buy and no one stands over him like Perez or Laporte do to Madrid or Barca or even Abrrahamovic in Chelsea

he has powers like Wenger and he delivered 2 CL in over 20yrs

The fact remains that he`s not the owner of the club and he cannot be spending anyhow. If he`s given such powers to buy any player irrespective of the price, then why wasn`t he buying then? There`s no coach that doesn`t like to buy the best players if given such unrestricted powers as you`ve said.

However, money isn`t everything. Why has Madrid not won more than one UCL since i think2002 after spending so much to get the best season in season out?

raumdeuter:
Man Utd under fergie 26yrs

2 trophies, 2 runner up 3 semi final knockouts

That means Ferguson made semi finals and beyond just 7 times in 20yrs coaching the richest team in the world with unrestricted authority

Lol! Unrestricted authority to spend money or what? Was he the owner of the club?There`ll always be a limit to what he can spend. Yes, he has the control of the team but not to spend money anyhow cos the club will always have obligations to meet.

raumdeuter:
Beat Ferguson head to head. Won the same number of CL in 2 different clubs in a shorter time

And how ,any did he win throughout his career? Did he win more than that 2 during his club coaching career?

raumdeuter:
His number 1 superior Ottmar Hitzfeld. You can try refute it

How is he is superior?

ollah1:
We are talking about 26 years and not few years. 26 GOOD YEARS

He was poor in Europe, simple!

I`m not disputing the years. The fewi years i`m refering to are the years he qualified for the final where the team was beaten by Barca.

Whether he`s at one club or not is even irrelevant to me.

ollah1:
You know the answer to that question. Who besides Mou would do that in Chelsea?

So, it`s only Mourinho that could do that.

What about a Rookie Pep doing same in his first season with him not getting sacked?

ollah1:
Look up, a member already answered the question regarding longevity of a coach in a team.

No one said its easy but its a poor result for Fergie. Accept that fact, two ucl in 25 years..

He is a local champion.

FACT!!

Local champion! And he qualified the team to UCL final three times in how many years only to be beaten twice. by a Barca team that has been described as the best team of the past few years. A team that hasn`t lost any UCL final in the past 10/11 years.

A local champion will never even take a team beyond the group stages.

ollah1:
Ain't one Big Boy enough to influence the dressing room.. Totti to Roma as Gerrard is to Liverpool. You have issues with them then its trouble.

Why wasn`t Mourinho sacked when he allowed Lampard to go? Or is it that Lampard wasn`t a big boy at Chelsea?

ollah1:
Nothing was explained. There is absolute no explantation for a coach to win just 2 UCL in 25 years with same team.

Fergie was a local champion.
That is the hard core fact

You know nothing about football management.

You think it`s really easy for a coach to be at a mid or lower table club for even ten years not to talk of being at a top club for that period.

Mention any club in europe top teams that has the same coach for at least ten years except Arsenal.

It is even a credit to him to have stayed for that long and won those trophies he won.

ollah1:
He was benching Totti and that influenced the dressing room which resulted to losses. Why did Pep sell all the big boys first when he got to Barca?
Why did Mou let Raul and Guti leave when he got to Madrid? They all know what the possible outcome would be if they were in their teams

Lol! I thought you said big BOYS. It is now big BOY Totti.

Even at that, Pep also sold some big boys and at the same time got results. Why didn`t Enrique get results despite having issue with only one big boy? There should be other young players that should be taking positions.

ollah1:
What made Chelsea sack boas?? He simply had issues with the big boys. What made pep succeed in barca? ? He sold out the big boys

He was sacked because of poor results. Which big boys dey Roma?

ollah1:
I never said they are better than fergie. I sad he was helped a times without number through officiating domestically which in turn makes him a local champion

Why then were you calling him an average coach and also comparing his numbers of UCL with what Pep won and would`ve won with Barca?

You`ve not been able to substanciate your claim that refs helped him with favourable officiating.

You need to get your facts right before making such assertions.

elampiro:

If Ferguson had coached Barcelona, Real Madrid, he would have won nothing less than 6 UCL with the spending power of these clubs in luring the world best stars over the years. Same with AC Milan and Juventus.

If United spent even spent nearly what other big European clubs spent, SAF would have won at least 6 UCL.

If Rafael was not prematurely sent off in 2010 we had a team that was going to conquer Europe again.

Between 2008 and 2011 SAF played 3 UCL finals in four years and Barca with their great team stood between SAF and the cup. No team could beat Barca in the final. Our chance could have been in 2010 but two soft red cards to Rafael prevented us.


SAF also won in Europe with Aberdeen.

The guy no know anything footie. Maybe na new footie kid on thd block.

If Fergie had been changing clubs the way Mourinho had been, he would`ve won so many. If he had joined sugar daddies City or Chelsea when he was approached. there is possiblity that he would`ve won it with them because he will have massive money to buy his choice players.

ollah1:
Was fergie a utd coach for one season?

It shows that you have lost this argument for you to have asked this question. From refrees aid SAF to win the league title to Man Utd winning the highest number of penalties during his era to Fergie winning only 2 UCL during his reign now to was Fergie a UTD coach for one season.

ollah1:
What team did he coach before leaving for Barca? He shld win a league with Celta vigo? or he shld win it Roma when they just started a rebuilding process. If it's that easy. Tata wouldn't have gone trophyless. Tito (RIP ) would have won more trophies or prolly the ucl too.

If he`s better than SAF as you`ve said, then he should`ve won the league with those teams. At least SAF took a lowly rated Aberdeen and Man Utd from nowhere to win both local and european trophies.

Tito would also have won it if not for his health issues.

dopeJemi:
Answer the damn question, mention one coach in the world that has more trophies than the "average" coach, if you can't or there's none then the rest coaches are below average, which means average is the highest rank

The guy just wan yarn. The guy who doesn`t even know that Chelsea have at least once topped the EPL penalties in a season.

ollah1:
Lol, no coach has ever won ucl the way Enrique won it. He defeated all champions of every league en route to the final and still defeated another champ there. That s what made it special.

Fergie was an average coach hence having just 2 ucl in 25 years. Very very poor record.

That`s to tell you how easy it is to win UCL with Barca.

Why didn`t he even win the league before he became barca manager?

If Giggs becomes present Barca coach today, there is a guaranttee that he`ll win the UCL with them within two years. That doesn`t say how good he is as a cpach.

ollah1:
The course of discussion is a team management by a coach. If pep was still barca's coach, Enrique wouldn't be there and most likely pep would have still won the ucl. Regarding if pep would have won it if it wasn't barca, I dnt know but he did it with barca and that was a team who went trophyless back to back. He also sold most starting players.

Agree, Mr Tomato face was an average coach

You wouldn`t. And what was Enrique`s pedigree in football coaching before becoming Barca`s coach? Why was it so easy for him to also win the UCL in his first season?

If UCL is so easy for Pep to win, he should`ve won it with Bayern. This is his third season.

ollah1:
Bring out the stats where it's shown Chelsea won most pens during fergie's tenure.

Where did i mention Chelsea winning the most penaties in a season?

However, i know that Chelsea topped the penalties table in SAF`s last season which was 2012/13 season.

Chelsea won 11 while Man Utd won 6 and Chelsea topped the table.

ollah1:
You are diverting the discussion. The content is if they had stayed in their clubs respectively. Pep would have won another ucl if he was still a barca coach. Agree or not?

Ancelotti would most likely still win with Madrid. Right or wrong?


Same thing will Jupp of Bayern.

But its the other way round with Mr Tomato face utd. He was even schooled in EL home and away when he got kicked out of ucl in the early stages. Europe stats never favoured him cos the officials weren't giving him those pens he got in EPL.

He was an average coach

Who is diverting?

If Pep would have won it if he had stayed back at Barca with his football magic wand, why hasn`t he won it with thesame football magic wand with the same Bayern that disgraced Barca 7- 0 agg in UCL before he took over. At least that same bayern was a good team.

And how many years did it take Pep to win UCL with Barca after being promoted from the youth team? Would he have won the title in his first season if the team wasn`t Barca?

ollah1:
Weren't they actually pdp during fergie's reign??
Can you count the number of pens u get in a season? How many have you gotten under Gaal?
How many did you get under moyes?
Weren't many officials labelled man u refs?

Officials adjust upon sighting tomato face

Bring out the stats where it`s shown that Man Utd under SAF was the team that won most penalties in the league.

ollah1:
Pep won ucl twice in 4 years disgracing fergie's team in the finals l, he wld have won the third if he had stayed longer. Jupp wld have won another ucl if he had stayed longer. Ancelotti would most likely win another if he wasn't sacked.

Would have, most likely

Why hasn`t he won it at Bayern since he would`ve won it if he had stayed?

Why did the same Madrid that he used to disgrace in La liga with Barca disgraced him 5 - 0 as Bayern`s coach? Madrid even went as far a beating his Bayern 4 - 0 in Munich, what Madrid couldn`t to his Barca team when he was the coach.