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I can't just understand how somebody will say RVP didn't win us the EPL in 2012/13. Most of his goals were crucial goals for us to win or draw.

*His first game at Old Trafford was against Fulham who took an early before RVP scored to equalize before we went ahead to win the match.

*Against Southampton who took lead twice at 1 - 0 and 2 - 1. RVP scored a hat-trick to win the match 3 - 2 late despite losing a penalty earlier in the game.

*Against Liverpool, RVP scored the penalty that won the game 2 - 1.

*Against Chelsea at the Bridge, RVP's shot made Luiz score an own-goal before RVP scored the second. We won the match 3-2.

*Against Arsenal, RVP scored the first goal. Rooney missed a penalty but we won the match 2-1 with Evra scoring the winner.

*Against Westham, RVP scored the only goal to win 1 - 0 away.

*RVP score a goal which was the winning goal in 4 - 3 away win against Reading. Rooney scored two goals (One penalty) It was this game that made Man Utd to establish three points gap ahead of Man City.

*Against Man City, Rooney Scored two early goals, City leveled up. RVP scored a stoppage time deflected free kick to win the game 3 - 2, the team established a 6-points lead ahead of Man City and ended City's almost two years unbeaten run at home...............

These are his goals during that season.

chrisley024:
Hahaha. Liverpool 2 nil down already. No be joke o! Even Pep would struggle here

This league eh!

chrisley024:
let's watch him next season. Hope he's not gonna do a Mourinho. I will rate him after next 2 seasons.

My major worry with our state is the lack of both motivation and fight for the team from the players. They play like they don't care about the result and that's a problem from the manager.

The problem with the team is over-possession. Keeping possession with strict instruction not to do anything spectacular, not to use their initiative as a professional footpballer, just keep the possession until there`s an opening and if there`s no opening don`t do anything otherwise you`ll find yourself on the bench with a permanent seat belt.
He has done that to Herrera severally. He`s now trying to turn Young into a fullback and that`s why his crosses are so wayward these days.

chrisley024:
check my post after

Yeah i later saw it.

chrisley024:
I heard Giggs selects the team. He should earn his stripes at smaller clubs if you ask me.

Source please because i doubt that.

Never mind. I later saw your response.

I don`t know why this is an issue right now.

Femi Adesina mention that he didn`t collect a kobo from ONSA and the he collected 2 SUVs from the PRESIDENCY.
Collecting those SUVs from the presidency is in conformity with what the newspapers wrote when the news was released when those vehicles were given to him to beef up his security after the assasination attempt last year which he`s entitled to as a past HOS which wasn`t an issue then.

www.nairaland.com/1832061/jonathan-provided-armored-vehicles-saved

www.thisdaylive.com/articles/assasination-attempt-on-buhari-/184478/

elampiro:
He was too in a hurry to trim the team. He didn't put injuries into consideration. It's always a long season in EPL. We are currently stuck with full backs who only are not struggling trying to cope with marking their man but also limited in going forward. No one to propel our forward wheels. I imagine we had Luke Shaw and Valencia fit running those lines for us. Schurle would have been eliminated. In fact Schurle would have been the one tracking Valencia trying to stop him starting an attack. Someone how too we are unlucky because even Shaw was in great form.

It looks like Herrera is returning, but he might not be match fit.

That`s exactly my biggesr problem with LVG. He sold players he could have retained as squad players with no adequate replacement for them. He made the team vulnerable when injuries come up. He also forgot that Man Utd always compete for all available competitions available with the primary aim of winning the competition. That`s the reason SAF will always have players like brown, Oshea, Evans ......... for a long time and if he`s selling any, he`s buying another or he`s already nutured somebody to step up.

UniqueGem:
RM sent premier league club wigan to relegation and into oblivon. Portmouth will soon sink into the coca cola league. DM turned Relegation battling Everton into the force they are today. Qualified them for champions league, got to thd FA cup final. Thats the diff between RM and DM.
Enough of all this nonsense. I still stand by my words that as much as DM, LVG deserves to be sacked. If he remains as a united coach, then DM was really unlucky to get sacked at united. Great managers get sacked so who is DM?

Yes the team got relegated but he has a trophy (FA Cup) to his credit/honours inspite of the quality of players compared to what DM had at Everton.

Where is the trouphy to DM`s credit for turning a relegation battling team into the force they are today? Is there any trouphy for that?

Yes he qualified them for UCL. What did he do with the qualification? He crashed the team out in the third round qualification and the UEFA Cup at the early stage. Couldn`t even qualify them into the group stages and you want to be celebrating that as success.

It is better for you not to say anything than to be calling other people`s opinions "nonsense". Everybody is free to express his opinions on any issue. We all are here to share opinions and learn from one another.Calling other people`s opinion "nonsense" is absurd. Must everybody align with your own opinion?

This is my final response on this.

chrisley024:
we're on the page and likewise most fans. What even brought this conversation/argument was some DM proponents claiming he shouldn't have been sacked.

Exactly my point. I`ve said it severally here that i want LVG sacked but saying that DM was unlucky to have been sacked is what i don`t buy into. DM crashed a team from number one spot to number 7. He also took a team that was qualified for him to play in UCL out of European competition for a year. At a point during that season, some were even looking forward to him qualifying for EUROPA but he couldn`t.

UniqueGem:
When you are a portmouth or a wigan and you find yourself in the same competition with Man utd, Chelsea, Arsena, City, and liverpool. All you can wish for is to have a good outing, not to win the trophy. The board understands this and won't hang you for not winning it. But when you inexplicably find yourself in the final and you end up winning it, its a huge achievement for you. But its not a yardstick for judging teams of their level. Moyes got the chance once but failed, so has SAF also lost 2CL Finals. Moyes did his primary assignment at Everton, evidence to why he remained their coach for 11years. Man utd are the reason moyes is jobless today.
Wigan under RM where a very shitty team, always heavily raped by teams, especially man utd who raped them with all manners of scoreline, 5goals in 2nd half while 0-0 at half time, 9-1 loss to spurs. They were a very disgraceful team whose FA CUP triumph remains 1 of the 7 wonders in the world.(in my book tho')
BTW, it was RM who sent wigan to relegation and into oblivon. I think winning the FA cup is a fair enough compensation.

Did Porthsmouth and Wigan board give their coaches the mandate to win the cups? But they still went ahead to win it which is an added honours to their profiles
Nobody is saying that Everton board should`ve sacked him because he didn`t win any trophy but the onus lies on every good coach to show how good he is by winning any of the local cups. Porthsmouth and Wigan were not better financed than Everton but the coaches that won them those cups proved their technical proficience despite not having the best players.

Man Utd isn`t the reason why he didn`t have a job now because they didn`t forced the job on him. He had the right of refusal. He also got another job after his sack but still got sacked 12 months into his 18months contract. That`s due to his technical incompetence.

You may never know how competent or incompetent a coach is until he`s drawn out of his comfort zone. Moyes was drawn out of his comfort zone and what do you see? Two sacks in 18 months. If Man Utd was too big a shoe for him to wear, was Real Sociedad also big a shoe for him to wear?

UniqueGem:
Many of you here have deficiency in understanding simply put words. Can i have a quote or a link where i compared Moyes to SAF? All remember saying was "based on how you've judged Moyes achievement at Everton, if same Yardstick is applied in judging SAF, then he's a local champion who could only afford 2CL in over 22years"
Man united is a club with boundary, even if you win 10CL, they still remain thirsty for more, no amount of trophy is enough for them. Everton is a team with boundry, they have a limit and a simple goal of staying grounded in their position. DM achieved that, winning a trophy for Everton is just an exceptional feat which DM failed to achieve.

You who is not deficient in understanding didn`t know that both Wigan and Portsmouth also have more limited boundary than Everton but they were still able to win the FA Cup. He should have done that exceptional feat that both Harry and Martinez did to win FA Cups. Or was it that he was also exempted from winning either FA Cup and Capital One cup?

UniqueGem:
Tess1
If you call DM a failure for maintaining a mid table team for 11years, then you must agree with the guys who came here to call SAF an average coach for winning only 2CL for a world class team in over 22years. Thats more than half of DM's stay at Everton.

I`ve answered you already. Moyes was a failure, premier league title alone isn`t the only available trophy throughout his coaching career at everton. He couldn`t even win a Capital one cup throughout the eleven years.

There was no trophy available that SAF didn`t win during his coaching career at Man Utd. You are comparing apple and oranges in Coogar`s word. How can you compare a coach who won over 40 trophies with an average of 2 trophies per year with a coach that didn`t win any trophy during his eleven years?

If DM had won only one trophy, this talk wouldn`t arise. It may not be possible for him to win the league title but it is possible for him to win either the Capital one cup or the FA Cup. The wigan that got relegated won the FA Cup by beating mighty Man City in the final. Portsmouth also won the FA Cup duting this period. Are these clubs better funded than Everton? A good coach will always prove his worth by win a trophy even if no mandate is given to him.Nobody gave the coaches of these clubs the mandate to win the cup but they won it and it`s now part of their achievements. It`ll always be in their different resume. As for DM, no cup to his credit during his years at Everton.

UniqueGem:
If my retiring manager has a status and integrity as SAF, yes i will.
I'm sure SAF gave the board reasons to hire DM. Moreover, the board didn't accept to hire him at gunpoint. You said SAF went to his house to offer him the job, SAF Also called Wenger to notify him of his plans to retire a year before.
You said DM has failed all his career, i've asked you times without number, "how did he stay a whole 11years at Everton with getting the sack since he's a failure?"

Infact, Man United Owe DM because they are the reason he's without a job presently.

The result for taking such decision was the reason he crashed us from number one to number seven. The board realised their mistake and decided to sack him.

How does him not getting the sack from Everton make him a successful coach? What`s even his resume for him to have deserved to be the Man Utd coach? Show me what he`s won as a coach to have deserved the job. If he`s not a failure, why then was he also sack at Real Sociedad? Was it because Real Sociedad gave him a target to win to win the league which they later saw he couldn`t achieve? I need answers to these questions.

UniqueGem:
Will you allow an under achieving employee head your franchise for 11years? YES or NO

Moyes was a mistake by SAF and that was why he was sacked before the end of a season.

Moyes didn`t go through the right procedure of employing a coach. He was appointed and single handedly given the job by SAF which was a total mistake. If he had gone through the right processes of employing a coach, i`m sure he wouldn`t even attempt to apply not to talk of being given the job. To even think that SAF went to his house to offer him the job is total absurdity.

Now the question is that will you give your top job to a person that your retiring manager introduced to you without him going through interview and other screening processes?

People saying Moyes unlucky is really funny. He`s also unlucky to be sacked at Real Sociedad just a year into18months contract and they couldn`t wait for him to complete the remaining 6months. Or was is that Real Sociedad owners were thinking that he wouldn`t win the league title for them?

He spent eleven years at Everton but couldn`t win them Capital One cup which is the lowest in cup hierarchy in England for that period l. Or is also that Evetton didn`t even want to win any cup in England because they are a mid table team?

If you are saying he was "Unlucky" to have crashed us from Number one to Number seven, i can also say he`s lucky to qualify us out of the group stage to quarter final stage.

Moyes also bought us overpriced Fellaini whom he would`ve bought cheaper not to think of what he`s trying to achieve with his signing. Moyes play didn`t give us any direction.

I`m not saying LVG is the best coach for us now but he`s laying a foundation for us now which a new coach will easily build on in the future. We can see how the same foundation he laid at Bayern is working right now.

Report says Mata angry with LVG and lets his feelings be known.

LVG will not take this team anywhere. I`ll continue to say that he sold players that were not supposed to be sold without adequate replacement and this made the squad to be small.

I mentioned some days ago that some of those players sold could`ve been retained as squad players instead of selling them for peanuts. A lot of rookies being introduced in the most important match of the season shows irresponsibility of the highest order.

In Dec 2009 when we played this same Wolfsburg, we had about 15 players injured which necessitated SAF playing a lot of players out of positions but he was still able to play experienced players and won the match 3 - 1. Someone already posted the team yesterday. The Wolsfburg team even had Dzecko in the team against Carrick and Fletcher as our center backs and Kuzsack as the Keeper.

The team was very large then but now it`s so small that we`re now bringing in rookies to fiill in for injured senior players.

I don`t know what Young has done to LVG to warrant him being benched regularly. Is this not the same Young that made ADM leave? What has gone wrong? I can`t just understand.

I have nothing much to say about his subs because they`re wack as usual. This man should just be paid off at the end of the season and get another manager.

SIRcumalot:
Of course the was a concrete reason,they both sucked arse.
Chica spent most of his time on madrid bench and a decent performance in Portugal doesn't guarantee a starting shirt.
The thing is, you lot are only remembering the good times and none of the bad.
You don't remember how hot and cold nani was or how inept hernadez will look in our current style of play when he has zero space to run into and nobody creating anything for him,
Losing Rafeal is even understandable since he is almost always injured.
We're still in the race.

Chicha will always spend most of his time on Madrid bench because he was on loan as a backup to what they had. He proved his mettle when called upon by scoring 9 goals in 1,358 mins and when he came back he had improved in his team involvement.

How inept will he look when we all saw what he could do when called upon against Newcastle only for the Keeper to save his shot. Also his last match in the UCL qualifier against Brugges where he saw some chances but couldn't convert because of the obvious reason that he wasn't happy cos he knew he was going.

Chicha wasn't given enough chances to prove himself like it was given to RVP and Rooney. LVG sold him for no good reason.

Rafael was always injured. So also were Smalling and Jones. Why haven't they been sold as well? Yes, we knew Nani to be blowing hot and cold but we could've still held on to him as a squad player. Nani on his day can single-handedly win you a match. He sold those players for no good reason and we are suffering it now.

weedtaker:
chicha has done much more in a stronger league, we should get him in january and get rid of rooney asap.

I miss the guy. Already scored 13 goals in 18 appearances. Won the Bundesliga player of the month November last week. Our squad is so thin now. I also miss Nani and Rafael. He should've at least retained these players. This is the time they would've been useful for us.

elampiro:
6 injuries

Shaw
Valencia
Jones
Herrera
Rooney
Rojo

6 starters. Na wao! Hope Fellaini and Mata can bail us out. I am particularly concern about our game in Wolfsburg. What kind of injury does Herrera has sef?

I think Herrera is harmstring.

Injury news.

Rojo suffered a shoulder injury in training on Wednesday and will be out for a number of weeks.

This injury crisis is becoming serious. How are we going to cope as we are already in December?

Report: Man Utd have approached Carlotti in last few days

ollah1:
these doesn't stop him from been a local champion.

He was a brilliant local champs

You now see that your earlier lies have been exposed. Don't come here and be spewing lies. There's no need arguing with you about Local Champion because you don't even know the meaning.

raumdeuter:
Pep Guardiola

You have just said what i had been saying that it is only with Barca team that this can happen time and time again. Pep winning it with Barca doesn't make it special because Enrique has done the same thing from no where.

Are you even following my responses at all? You are making me repeat myself. I've said this several times.

I'm done with this.

raumdeuter:
So if another coach wins the CL with Man Utd in the future we can also say what ferguson did wasnt special because new coach also did it

Barce is an exceptional team. How many rookie coaches have won the UCL in their first season in Champions league as a coach?

cont...

Where's that ollah that said SAF won the league titles because of free penalties referees were dashing his team? Man Utd didn't even win the league in the season when Man Utd topped the table.

raumdeuter:
Why should Pep win it with Bayern, Is he the only one playing? He didnt win with bayern because he met a stronger coach called Ancelotti

What do you want us to say about Enrique?

And what happened last season? He also met a stronger coach in Enrique.

Like i said, what Pep did with Barca wasn't special because rookie Enrique has done it and he's still doing it.

raumdeuter:
Barca had Tito Villanova, they had Tata Martino none of them won with Barcelona So find another talk

I've answered that. What about Enrique? Why not talk about him? Pep was a rookie coach when he won it first time. Why didn't he do the same with Bayern as the defending champion?

ollah1:
Why didn't Tata and Tito win it?

I have answered this question earlier. You like going back and forth.

Where did Tata come from? Tito had only one one season wish was riddled with cancer.

raumdeuter:
oving around means you would have to study another set of players and build your team which someone who stays at one club doesnt need to deal with

This also applies to a coach that stays in one club because he'll have to rebuild his team at least every 5 - 7 years. Teams needs to be rebuilt and it also takes time to rebuild to top level.

raumdeuter:
WHy does Pep winning at Barcelona not make him special

That's because any good or average team would've won UCL with Barca of recent years. Enrique has proven that and he's still proving it. Barca team is an exceptional team.