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SailorXY:
he should be patient, LvG will soon leave with his chains!

This was exactly my thought when i read it. He should know that the man`s contract will soon expire.

ollah1:
Hw many years have they spent in their respective clubs??

You said SAF should`ve won at least 6 UCL in his 25yrs at Man Utd. That is winning it in every four years. Mourinho is in his 6th season at Chelsea and he`s not even close to winning the trophy for Chelsea. Whereas, a coach that was not even close to Mourinho and Ancelotti`s pedigree won it for Chelsea in his first half season at Chelsea.

Report have it that Herrera held a transfer talk with LVG. Could this be true?

Some stats

We have another creative outlet in Young but i don`t know the reason why he`s hell bent in converting him into a fullback. Young on the left offers the team creativity, assist and goals. Di Maria left because of him but now he`s not using him properly. Young should be starting ahead of Memphis until there`s an improvement in his game.

Apart from LVG`s philosophy, his choice of personnel and subs can give someone heart attack.

At a point yesterday, i was praying PSV don`t score when the pressure was so much that no one was able to tame those player`s crisp passes. And that was because they fancied their chances.

chrisley024:
Don't think Fellaini for Bastian was wrong since Bastian was hanging unto the ball. This is where Carrick is better, though slow but more creative with his passes.

I'm even surprised we are complaining of lack of goals when we're using 2 DM and expecting them to be creative.

And the midfield collapsed totally when he was subbed.

Schweini was holding on to the ball because there was no sharp/fast movement from those three behind the striker to create space. He should have first brought on Young for Memphis and see if things would improve before thinking it`s actually Schweini`s problem.

They loss a lot of the balls after that sub. I just pray Herrera is available when we go to Germany.

@elampiro I don`t really know the circumstances in which he came in in those matches but when that subs was about to be made i knew it was a wrong move because Fellaini cannot play in that midfield the way Schweini will. Fellaini isn`t as mobile as Schweini and and he`s only good at shot passes and slower.

elampiro:

Fellaini was the one who could have made the difference. Before last night, every time he came on for Schweinsteiger he improved on midfield. He brought more energy, better ball retention, ball holding and more mobility, but last night everything died on his feet. He couldn't tackle, couldn't control the ball, couldn't hold the ball, couldn't pass.

When a player sent in to lift the spirit becomes so poor, then nothing good was going to come out.

Bringing in Fellaini for Schweini was a wrong move. Fellaini cannot control the midfield as Schweini. The midfield collapsed after that sub.

He brought in Young which brought life to that LWF. He later sub Darmian and moved young who was lively on the LWF to the RB which also killed any chance of creating something from LWF. He disorganized the whole system with his subs and rearrangement.

There were times when Fellaini was caught between going forward and staying in the midfield. He`ll head when he`s supposed to chest the ball.

That was a stupid sub by LVG as usual. Substituting ur most mobile midfielder for a Fellaini is the most dumb thing to do as a coach.

A coach playing patient football not patient enough and changing to route one.

He has put this team in a difficult situation now. Is this the kind if football we are going to play in Germany? We shall see.

AdeLaNa1:
Azzin. Benitez has made the team look so ordinary.

Benitez is a useless coach. He rushed both Benzema and Bale back despite the fact that they are unfit.

Ancelotti shouldn`t have been sacked in the first place. Benitez is not taking this team anywhere.

Real Madrid getting raped without Messi.
Messi now coming on to add his own.
Madrid playing nothing.

elrony:
martial out for 4 months. .....

Source?

Smalling`s improvement on inaccurate short passes per 90mins:
2013/14. 5.4 (inaccurate short passes)/ 90 mins
2014/15. 3.2 (inaccurate short passes)/ 90 mins
2015/16. 2.7 (inaccurate short passes)/ 90 mins
And he`s still learning and there`s still room for improvement.

Saying Chicharito will be lost in this sytem is a total fallacy. We`ve seen him getting at least two chances in the two matches he`s featured this season though he didn`t score. Were those chances ftom crosses?

Also, saying that Chicha played for us in the last 3 seasons and that he and Rooney started 3-5-2 is another fallacy because Chicha only played 46 mins in the league in 2014/15 season before he was loaned out to Real Madrid. Also,in the current season, he only played 23 mins in the league. Is that time enough for him to know if he`ll fit into the system? NO.

There is no conviction that he wouldn`t fit into this system because he wasn`t given enough playing opportunity.

If we are to apply the same rule, then Rooney who has been giving us shit sonce being played upfront should have been dropped since the game against newcastle. Some pundits are even now saying that it is LVG`s system that is making Rooney to be under-performing. If this is the case, he too should`ve been sold off since.

StarBoard:
Hernandez didn't exactly look like he wanted to play for LvG. In hindsight selling him was a mistake

That was because LVG didn`t give him enough chance after returning from loan.

coogar:
chicharito has now scored 10 goals in all competitions for leverkusen in the last 2 months. if he continues with this form, he's on course to score 35+ goals in the bundesliga......

and yet we have a fat cow who cannot pull his finger out after pocketing the highest salary in england. we sold the wrong striker.....chicharito is painting germany red!

I totally dislike LVG for selling Chicharito. Of all the players he sold, it is Chicharito that i don`t really like his sale.

coogar:
so it's now about trial & error?

NTA have been showing it.

Who watched Celtic`s europa league match against Molde yesterday?
I read that Blackett was so woeful that he was subbed off as a sub.

coogar:
if you make a large class size, the EPL is more competitive than bundesliga. not even raumdeuter can argue that. the funny thing is he actually acknowledged that there was football before the premier league & the bundesliga were both established.

Exactly what i stated up there. He wants to choose the class size that suits his argument.

raumdeuter:
Its no ones business whether the league is professional or not. Not calling it professional league does not stop it from being a league

A league is a league whether they called it professional or not and it has teams and produces champions just like every other league.

They were using goalpost, they were using spherical balls, the rules are the same

If they change the EPL tomorrow to "Intergalactic English Supersonic league" would not mean there was no league football in England before 2015

I remember when they changed the Nigerian league to Professional league in the early 90s does that mean there were no league competition in Nigeria prior to that time?

You want to know how and why you are wrong? You said Bayern won 25 leagues did you realize that included league titles won in the Pre Bundesliga era when the league wasnt professional? You see how you shot yourself in the foot

Anyway I wont crucify you because we all make mistakes Back to the issue

In the premier league era Man Utd have won 56% of the titles, In the Bundesliga era, bayern have won less than 50% of the titles

Now tell which is more competitive

Unfortunately, those are the only recognised periods in world football, German football and English football. No one recognise those years when they only had regional/district football.

It is also good that you too acknowleged that those periods football was not professionalized, only that you don`t care.

The fact remains that Professional football started in England and Germany in 1888/89 and 1963/64 respectively. I too don`t care wether the game started in England before 1888/89 or not.

I`m done with this. Good night.

raumdeuter:
You are assuming that German league football started in 1963. Germany have won the world cup before 1963 they were playing European cup(E.g Frankfurt played a European cup final in 1960, So if there was no league how were they qualifying for the European cup and grooming players for the world cup)

There has been a league in Germany as far back as 1903 112yrs ago.

The league was restructured in 1963 just like EPL was changed in 1992.

Since restructure Bayern have won slightly less than 50% of the titles

Since restructure of the English league There have been 23 championships and man Utd have won 13 of it (56%)

Now tell me which one is more competitive

We are talking of the establishment of Professional Leagues, not Regional/District tournament that was being played before 1963/64. There was also a league system in place in England before 1888/89 but was not a Professional league. We are only taking into consideration when the leagues became professional leagues.

raumdeuter:
No difference.

Since the EPL started in 1992

Man utd won 13 times, Chelsea 4, Arsenal 3, City 2 Blackburn 1
Bayern 13 times, Dortmund 5, Bremen 2, Stuttgart 1, Wolfsburg 1 Kaiserslautern 1

Tell me which is more competitive

I can`t understand this your logic. What is applicable here is probability since the years of establishment of the leagues are different.

English Football League was established in 1888/89 (126 seasons ago). During these years Man United have win the league 20 times, Liverpool 18 times, Arsenal 13 times and Everton 9 times

Layman`s explanation as of now is that Man Utd will probably win the league every 6 yrs, Liverpool will win every 7 yrs, while Arsenal will win every 9.7 yrs (~10 yrs).

German league was established in 1963/64 (51seasons ago). Bayern won it 24 times, Monchengladbach won it 5 time, Dortmund won it 5 times.

Layman`s explanation as of now is that Bayern will win it every 2yrs, Monchengladbach will win it every 10yrs and Dortmund will also win it every 10yrs.

You can now see the competitiveness over the years of their respective establishment.

How can a team annex almost half of the league title a available and still say such league is competitive?

raumdeuter:
When I watched the EPL in 2001 I predicted man utd would win another 3 to the 3 they just won but it never happened

The only thing that stopped another Man Utd 3 was A 93rd min Aguero goal in 2012

That makes it unpredictable and competitive. Unlike Bundesliga where people already know Bayern will it even before 1/3rd of the matches were played.

Chelsea who a lot of pundits predicted will retain the title before the beginning of the league is no where to be found.

raumdeuter:
a 5yr period is too restrictive and a 10yr period would be a better measure

If I choose between 07-11 a 5yr period where Man Utd won 4 titles Should I conclude based on that?

Hahahahaha! The 5-yr period will be too restrictive when it didn`t favour your logic.

If we say we should look from inception of the leagues you`ll say it`s too far.

I can easily predict that Bayern will even win the next three league title. They will be breaking their record of consecutively winning the league title six times on a stretch.

raumdeuter:
Man Utd has won the league 3 in a row. Was the EPL uncompetitive in those time?

You stylishly avoided the question..

With your logic which i refuse to accept. Which league has been more competitive in the past five years between the two?

PietroRico:
lol.. And you've irreversibly regressed mentally with age
So 1st spot suddenly is just as important as 3rd and 4th
So you would have us believe that competition for 1st spot which 'coincidentally' goes with the all important trophy is equal to competition for 4th place? Lol

See how you are trying to commonise the fact that one team gets to go home with the title unchallenged

Your mental gymnastics for today is dead on arrival

I wonder what kind of statistical calculation is that. One can only use probability in this situation.

raumdeuter:
Going by the past 10yrs if the trend continues we can say 3 teams would win EPL and 4 teams would win the Buli

Now tell me which is more competiton

That is where the competition is because you can`t predict which of the three teams will win it most. Whereas, in Bundesliga, we all know that Bayern will win it most. Man United that has won it the most is not even guaranteed the highest number in the next 5 - 10 years to come.

raumdeuter:
Based on recent years 3 out of 20 teams can realistically win the EPL

Based on the same 4 out of 18 teams can realistically win the Buli

Which is more competitive

How is it realistic that 4 out of 18 teams in Bundesliga will win the title when Bayern won 7 out of the last 11/12. The next team that won it only won it only 2 times in this period while others won it once. The probability that Bayern will win it every season is exceptionally high. This is not so in EPL.

What this simply means is that those that won it once will win it once in every two years. This is to show that they omly stumbled on the title the time they won it meaning they are one season fluke.

You`ve said it all that some teams aspire for top four while some aspire to win the league. It is only Bayern that aspire to win the league while others aspire to just qualify for UCL every year.

raumdeuter:
I was addressing the person who included Arsenal in the mix. If you include Arsenal among the winners then you have to include Bremen

Even at that.

EPL: Man United - 5 = 41.67%; Chelsea - 4 = 33.33%; Man City - 2 = 16.67%; Arsenal - 1= 8.33%

Bundesliga: Bayern - 7 = 58.33%; Dortmund - 21= 16.67%; Wolfsburg - 1 = 8.33%; Stuttgart - 1 = 8.33%; Bremen - 1 = 8.33%

Which is now more competitive? Bayern alone won more than half of the titles during this period whereas there is a fierce competition to win the title in England.

raumdeuter:
If you extend it to 11yrs then that would add Werder Bremen to it making Bremen, Stuttgart, Dortmund, Wolfsburg and Bayern 5 teams who have won the league vs 4 in the EPL

2 have made the CL finals

How did Bremen win the league within the past eleven years?

2004/05 - 2014/15 is eleven years. Within this period:

Bayern - 7 Titles

Dortmund - 2 Titles

Wolfsburg - 1 Title

Stuttgart - 1 Title

landinfo:
The biggest mystery in UTD waz & still is the sale of Chichi but the stay of Rooney.....a mystery for Discovery channel

And he has scored six goals in 4 apps for Leverkusen.

He didn`t even do up to 10% of what Rooney has dpne this season before he was sold.

This man is really crazy.
LVG on Martial's best role is: "We don`t know yet"