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Minjim:
I'm just fed up with these Putin fans

Putin that has banned all private Tv and Radio stations. Those that can't stand Putin's propagandish have left the country.

Some Putin fans will start saying "don't believe Western media" The same same Western media that criticises seating presidents and nothing happened. Do you think they'll be afraid to tell the truth like Russian state medias?

Yep. Russian media is entirely state owned.

How can a grown adult say they can’t trust western media houses that are privately owned, meanwhile they’re watching Russia Today and Sputnik that are 100% owned by the Russian State?

Kingsnairaland:
Go to telegram search for Russia TV Africa in telegram

Or lord of War in telegram


To get real news about the Ukrainian war with Russia.

So Russian propaganda is ‘real news’?

Lmao

olugabbie:
This same man (Valery Gerasimov) was Russian first general the Ukranians claimed they killed.

The one they killed earlier was Vitaliy Gerasimov.

Ukraine has never claimed to have killed Valery Gerasimov who has been in Moscow since the war started until last week.

Why do you Putin lovers lie without shame?

Kingsnairaland:
Ukraine killed ethnic Russians in East

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/20/ukraine-nationalist-attacks-russia-supporters-kremlin-deaths


Even western news reports that putin was saying the truth.

A clash between pro-Russia youths and Ukrainian nationalists that led to a fatal shooting is what you’re calling ‘genocide’? It’s like listing a clash between APC and PDP supporters in Port Harcourt as a ‘genocide’.


Please, is there any Pro-Putin person on Nairaland that’s not an absolute dullard? because what is this? Even comprehending basic English words seems to be a challenge.

Winters23:
I see you have an open mind to discuss international politics and diplomacy which is very rare on Nairaland.

I will also disagree that Russia or Putin is the aggressor.

The world needs balance of power, checks and balances to the unbridled power of the West and Russia, China and India are doing just that.

Absolute power corrupts....

Now, this Ukraine conflict is the culmination of series of events that began in 2014 when the CIA ran a coup in Ukraine, Russia responded by annexing crimea...

USA reacted by wooing Ukraine into Nato...

Russia responded by invading...

What do you see here?

I see actions and reactions in equal proportion!

Many are quick to conclude Russia is the aggressor but looking at chain of event since 2014 this military operation should have happened long ago.

I think Russia exercised alot of restrain for far too long.

Lastly, Putin's personal ambition have nothing to do with what's happening in Ukraine, any Russian leader will do exact same thing for Russism!

Russism is Russia's policy that empowers the Cremeline to protect every ethnic Russian in Eastern Europe. Be it Georgia, Lithuania, Poland or Ukraine, when another govt oppresses them Russia must intervene.

Ukraine is guilty of oppressing ethnic Russians in the Donbas region. There's been rumours of ethnic cleansing going there and covered up by Ukraine and USA.

So there's that...

You’ve just quoted Russian propaganda verbatim.

The Ukrainian parliament removed the president in 2014 with a majority vote.
Elections were conducted to get a new President. Democratic elections, at that. Where comes the accusations of coups?

Imagine justifying the invasion and annexation of Crimea with such weak propaganda. Not to talk of the Russian sponsored civil war in Donetsk and Luhansk.

You also betray a lack of understanding of the issues. Ukraine has been applying to become NATO members since 2006, and the US certainly weren’t ‘wooing’ them before the war. In fact, NATO was not inclined to admit them, thanks to the war in the East and the Crimea situation.

So the ‘NATO’ pretext as a basis for invasion makes zero sense.

Also ludicrous is the stories about Ukraine carrying out genocide. You’ll notice that that pretext was quickly discarded by Putin in favor of outlandish claims of biological warfare labs and nuclear ambitions.

You’ve misled yourself

HomoSapiien:
But the rest of the world and especially the west were taking the ‘might is right’ stance when Israel was bullying palestine. Occupying their lands forcefully.

But that must also be your stance, shouldn’t it? Because if you support ‘might is right’ for Russia, it means you’re a strong supporter of all of Israel’s actions in the Middle East.

Don’t hide behind the west. Let’s assume that the west are hypocritical. How does that justify your own hypocrisy?

HomoSapiien:
Same can be said of The Ukraine Russian war. Ukraine has call for the deletion of Russia by bringing NATO to her doorstep.



Russ never attack innocent Ukrainians, if not they’d have wiped out Ukraine within a week.

You have zero moral standing to condemn Israel if you will not condemn Russia’s actions.

You can’t take the ‘might is right’ stance only when it benefits you. Hypocrite.

bakar007:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-RVPiUwXus

His people re protesting against his actions as this is not their war but fighting a proxy war for US interest. Russia should just cut off Germany gas supply and leave this idiots to their faith. German will always be remembered for their evil history.

Actually, the German public are furious with Scholz for stalling delivery of heavy weapons to Ukraine.

And Russia cutting off gas supplies to Germany would also be a major blow to the Russian economy. I wonder how you people reason sef.

It’s like saying Nigeria should stop selling oil in protest

Nigerians sha.

You hear A story in which multiple police officers confessed to what is essentially kidnapping, torture and robbery…and all you can take from it is “beware fake friends”?

Na wa

Krismas:
I didn’t tell u Melitopol was east. My post was to show u that inspite of the phased Russian operation in Ukraine, every part of Ukraine is simultaneously under the attack of Russia. They’ve been hitting Lviv to the west as often as they want.
u need to wakeup from ur fools paradise in 8yrs of bloody conflict in Donbas, the Ukrainians Could not defeat the separatists, who still had a government in portions of Donbas
Now with Russia, u still think Donbas is in the hands of Ukraine?
Just like Mariupol Western analysts still maintain Ukraine has a foot hold in Mariupol, cos of the Azov battalion holing up in azovstal
The entire Donbas and eastern Ukraine is in the hands of Russia.
As for weapons from nato Russia is taking them from Ukraine en mass on a daily basis
Even Biden have said as much
https:///intelslava/27489

I mentioned Russia had had little success in the East, you brought up Melitopol. Is English comprehension your main challenge now?

The only reason why Ukraine wasn’t able to steamroller the DPR forces was because they were being supplied and supported by covert Russian forces. And no, they weren’t embroiled in all out fighting for 8 years. Thanks to the Minsk 2 agreement, hostilities were scaled back dramatically.

What does it matter if they’re hitting cities with missile strikes? You think they didn’t hit Kyiv with missiles too? Where is their Kyiv invasion plan now?

The invasion is in a shambles at the moment. Now your tyrant is desperate for any gains to report in time for the May 9th parade.


You will weep more tears of frustration

Invictuse:
The madness here is why she didn't not leave all the while till now or was she blind n couldn't see all that when the man was not I'll.

All that is secondary. Don’t victim blame here.

Nigerian Society is set up to make it difficult for many women who leave their marriage. And it’s doubly tough for people when kids are involved

If she left then, you’d have still had harsh words for her.

Krismas:
Lol one idiot have quickly like ur post?
U are generally daydreaming ur initial analysis is suffering from beriberi
Russia is the midst of phase 2 Donbas is done and dusted

Nobody is buying this attempt at deflection. You claimed Melitopol was in East Ukraine and now you’re desperate to backpedal and distract with useless nonsense.

Imagine coloring the map with ‘future goals’.

Three months of war and Practically half of Donbas is still in Ukrainian hands. Southern offensive has stalled. Kyiv offensive failed woefully.

And all this before Ukraine received more heavy weapons from European powers and the US.

You face months of pain and anguish, tbh.

TarOrfeeek:
I remember watching the wedding ceremony of these people as a child.

I actually asked myself then, why would a young pretty woman marry someone as short, ugly and unattractive as JA.

Well silly me. It was the money. It is the money. It will forever be about the money.

Now Stand up comedy is obsolete. JA has literally no source of income. And guess what, she just suddenly realised that JA is a fool.

Or that he was unfaithful while sick. Or some other flimsy excuse. But you woke up, wore white gown and swore with a bible to be with him through it all.

Young men. I don't know what to say, but you can't ever be actually loved. Maybe your mother will try.

But that's just about it. TFU this woman sha

When you people make posts like this, sometimes I wonder if it’s madness that’s behind it.

Man carry innumerable side chicks openly and you say it’s a ‘flimsy reason’. Are you OK?

Anyway, maybe your wife should carry multiple boyfriends and then people will be advising you that it is only flimsy reasons to be upset.

I no blame you sha.

Krismas:

Precisely my point that you Putin fanboys are dummies.

I said 'East'. You posted a screenshot about the fall of Melitopol in Southern Ukraine

Kai!

According to him, “Yes we are making progress. The only challenge we are faced with now is, If they kidnap you, I mean the bandits; they use your number to call. They will never use their phones lines, it is the kidnapped person’s phone number they use to call and switch it off immediately. They can keep you at a different place and make somewhere else. If a phone is off, there is no way one can trace it. It’s a big challenge.

So basically, contrary to the headline here, this decision is backfiring?

because the guy in the OP says it's a 'challenge' for the Government.

After you finish copying and pasting Russian propaganda and misinformation here, I hope they'll give you citizenship?

This was you, a Month before the war, claiming that no invasion was going to happen and that it was all a lie made up by the West

https://www.nairaland.com/6956362/parthogenetic-conflict-there-no-russian

Reject lies.

Dalil8:
You think?

They have nearly the whole of eastern Ukraine under control but you think they're losing? Well we'll see...

Outside the initial rebel held areas, they’ve only been able to take one city of note in the East. The Ukrainian army still remains in much of the Donbas, has not been encircled or dramatically weakened and have fought Russia to a stalemate there, reaping Russian lives like wheat.

And all this while more and more weapons pour in for ukraine. Hundreds of artilllery pieces are coming in the next few weeks, with many superior to what the Russians employ. Ukraine is able to fully mobilize and prep trained reserves in the East. Russia doesn’t have that ability at all.

Things don’t look good for Russia at all

WriterNig:
Putin never said he's above GOD. He's a very dedicated Christian.

The fact that you believe this is a slap in the face of your parents and everyone who put you through school

If killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people is a sign of Christianity to you, then you’re clearly an idol worshipper.

darediamond:
SAMAT is a disguise Bomb said to have power to destroy a nation as big as France.

It can actually destroy 3 countries at a go!!!

Hope you understand what that means?

Putin loving dolts on Nairaland and exaggeration sha.

Any attack will of course draw an immediate response. Doesn't matter how fast your initial strike is.

ken6488:
Can you explain de moralized

Is it not the same Russia that has captured most of Ukraine

East Ukraine is gone

South is going

Soon west

And finally landlocked


NATO should send in troops if they are not scared of Russia or declare a no fly zone

Of all the mugus on Nairaland, you are the worst one.

Because even the most die hard russia apologists have maps and can see that Russian controlled areas of Ukraine is less than 20% of the country. And they’re being held to a stalemate at the moment.

I don’t think he has a chance of winning.

The article references two people arrested for drug dealing. The only thing tying him to that ‘drug dealing’ article is his picture.

It’s a shitty thing for PMexpress to do, but they can argue that it’s a mistake on their part and issue an apology. And Obi can be asked if he reached out to them to retract.

Saying you’re popular is probably not enough legal grounds to win. I dunno

Rico94:
Ukrainians never still get sense, that comedian president don't want to apply dialogue analysis, until Russian wipe out the whole Ukrainians before he eye go clear.

That’s like saying you should give up your family and yourself to Boko haram so you have peace.

This man lies unprovoked sha. Kai

E say ASUU refused to teach students virtually. What infrastructure did the Govt and universities put in place to support remote learning?

olas24u:
Are you an oil and gas expert? You need gas pipelines to be built before supplies can take place. NORWAY gas is different and liquidiftied.

Gases turn to liquid under certain temperature and pressure conditions. Reverse that and it goes back to gaseous phase.

This should have been taught to you in secondary school

See the kind of people I lower myself to argue with on Nairaland. Kai

HenryWilliams:
Russia supplies over 70% of gas needs to Europe. A supply that can't be replaced on that scale even in 5 years
How long will reserves last?
Everything comes from Russia, buying directly or indirectly.. same thing.
These European countries don't know when they're beat. They keep kowtowing to US, showing stupid and unnecessary obeisance.
Summer is just a few months.. then autumn, winter is less than 7 months away...
Sensible Countries should mediate well before Causasians start turning to ice blocks overnight.

Nairaland Putin fanboys have no grasp on reality. They don't realize that it's a symbiotic relationship and Russia needs to sell gas to make money.

How do you think the already battered Russian economy will cope when they stop supplying 90% of their market?

Russians may have to start eating oil and gas to survive.

HenryWilliams:
Even the Ukraine they're fighting for has been decimated and overwhelmed by the Russians.
Completely obliterated and non functioning..
Must they dillydally till it's Finland's turn?
The Russian Bear is on the prowl.

Overwhelmed?
After two months of fighting, Russia is in control of less than 15% of additional territory, has lost a staggering number of troops and equipment and is largely stalemated

Meanwhile Ukrainian soldiers morale is high, and they're getting a lot of weapons and equipment by the day.

I forget that you people don't follow real news. Just fairy tales from Russian propaganda.

Dalil8:
Good. Let them freeze.

Aside from the fact that it's not winter, the OP clearly states that Poland and Bulgaria have reserves and alternatives.

Putin fanboys are ignorant and cannot read, confirmed.

olas24u:
For now, there are no alternatives expect Algeria and azebijan and they don't have the infrastructure.

There are alternatives laid out in the OP. Why would you not read?

Originalsly:
Winter will soon be coming again ... no problem since alternative supplies will fill the gap. The war is intensifying ... nothing is guaranteed ... why are they sure Russia wouldn't blow up the pipelines?
The West is not looking for a peaceful solution but see this as an opportunity to confront and force Russia into submission. The masses in Ukraine and soon those in Poland will be the ones suffering thanks to their leaders.

It's April. Winter isn't coming soon. And Poland has long planned to switch away from Russian gas by end year.

Blaming the west for not looking for a peaceful solution is the same as blaming Nigerians for not surrendering to Boko Haram so we have 'peace'.

Medianna:
I've not entered a mortuary before.. But I thought its cold all this while

Naija mortuaries fit no get power for constant cooling.

baralatie:
Meaning that you read that Minsk 2 agreement which Ukraine threw out o the window


Like I said zelensky literally lead the Ukraine into an unnecessary war

The whole east and now south is gone for good

E say na “the whole East”

You didn’t say anything that involved any critical
Or personal thought. All you’ve done is regurgitate Russian propaganda.

Someone whose country was invaded is the one being accused of ‘leading his country into war’

Wonders shall never cease.

bergs2:
Nawaoooo!
And I can't beat my chest that you are not very much younger than their sponsor and that is if you aren't even older than him.
You guys will always blame somebody; and instead of seeing the circle of influence their sponsor is building by directly affecting the society, you are here typing trash: keypad warrior.

There’s a complete lack of transparency about this whole thing.

The dancing was videoed in early March. They were sacked around March 10th. And in 1.5 month, they already have gotten passports, admission, gotten visa and relocated to Cyprus?

This doesn’t add up at all.

Not to mention, their photos with them clearly pursuing this materialistic craze and posing beside luxury vehicles they don’t own is NOT something you expect to see from people sponsored by a Pastor.

But you people swallow everything without question, so no surprise you’re becoming a voltron over this

skoskosko:
1) It has been proven beyond doubts that the US orchestrated the maidan protests. There are lives videos available on the internet of their officials on the maidan square instigating and handing out cookies. The GEJ case you sighted does not hold water. Jonathan was not forced out of office, he lost out in a democratic election. Yanukovich was forced out while into his valid tenure. Do you think the US or any western nation would tolerate a foreign government live on its territories urging on protesters? It seems people don’t judge by thesame standards. Again, the deal Moscow gave yanukovich was superior to the EU deal as it entails the cheapest of gas plus the bailout of the economy by up to $15b. This was pure business politics, does that give the US the right to orchestrate the undemocratic removal of a government? Why not do it through the ballot. This same underhand tactics has been the US government handbook tactics which no one takes seriously again. When they instigate unrest, they tag them freedom fighters, when the unrest is against them, they are tagged terrorists. Do you know that if there is a riot in the US and the delegates of a foreign country are found on the protest ground, the US will declare war? Do you know that the US considers mere statements in favour of its opposition as interference in its affairs and it can lead to sanctions and severance of ties?

2) I also hope you realize that Ukraine is divided along ethnic lines into eastern Ukraine(Russian speakers and pro kremlin) and western Ukraine(pro west). And these two blocks share a different view of what their political future should be or be aligned with. Yanukovich was from the east, and what western Ukraine wish for cannot be a true test of what Ukrainians wanted, reason it was easy for the Donbass and Crimeans to align with Russia and declare war. If the easterners were in tandem with the west, military operations would have failed woefully.

3)NATO ascension; while the steps to full membership you enumerated are true, you however failed to realize that membership proposals haven been submitting since 2008 was formally indoctrinated into the Ukrainian constitution by poroshenko. The custodian of the constitution is the president, making it a constitutional obligation for any other president. For how long before they meet the requirements or for how long before the US arm twists the dissenting voices? It was only a matter of time because in NATO, the US is the senior partner and NATO is a tool of its foreign policy power projection.

However, you seemed to dodge the obvious questions, if NATO or rather the US had no hidden agenda? Why did zelensky tear up Minsk 2 and frustrate its implementation if peace was his goal, since Minsk 2 would have guaranteed peace and settled the NATO question? Why did NATO and the US rebuff security proposals from Moscow? Do you just expect Moscow to sit back idly and hope against hope by putting its faith on the hope that Ukraine’s ascension continues to meet set backs? So what happens if it gets ambushed and accepted on a subsequent submit, what becomes Moscow’s fate? Do you genuinely believe that 2008 to 2014 to 2022 was not enough for maneuvers and diplomacy? Do you genuinely believe Moscow was not diplomatic enough? To what end today is NATO’s eastward expansion? Do not tell me about article 5, NATO has never gone to war due to article 5, in all its wars, it was the aggressor/invading force. Should Moscow fold its arms and watch a notorious force known for aggression completely encircle it?

Entire post filled with bottom barrel Russian propaganda.
Was it the US that forced Yanukovych to campaign with the manifesto of integrating Ukraine with the EU, only to renege when he got power? Was it the US that made him crack down violently on protesters, inflaming tensions?

Yanukovych was removed by the duly elected parliament, a body constitutionally empowered to do so. Who told you in a democracy that the ballot is the only way to remove a flagging leader? Because you’re in Nigeria where impeachment isnt a viable option thanks to ethnic bias and cash incentives?

The myth of western orchestration of the euromaidan movement is pushed heavily by Russia because Putin absolutely does not want his people to believe that people can spontaneously revolt against duplicitous leaders.

It’s even weird you’re pushing this propaganda piece because Russia themselves directly interfered in the US elections!

The rest of your post is filled with ignorant and misinformed babble. You say the US would have twisted others arms to accept Ukraine into NATO. This is laughable. First of all, Biden himself has been opposed to Ukraine joining at this point, and a Republican president would never have agreed. Secondly, the US vote needs to be ratified by Congress, and congress would also have rejected it…all republicans and multiple democrats like Sanders are opposed. And while the US is the big dog in NATO, member admission still requires acceptance by the likes of Germany, France and Italy who are opposed, and who cannot be ‘arm twisted’.

Imagine claiming that Zelensky that came on board in 2019 was the one that frustrated the implementation of the Minsk 2 agreement that was signed in 2014. By the time Zelensky became president, there had been thousands of violations of Minsk, and fighting was ongoing.


Imagine claiming Moscow was ‘diplomatic enough’ when they continue to occupy Crimea that they annexed and continued to arm and train separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk.


Ask yourself why NATO is ‘expanding’. It’s because countries are terrified of Russian aggression, like they did in Georgia, Chechnya and Moldova. Because these states know that it’s a fundamental part of Russian doctrine for many that annexation of these states is inevitable. It’s like blaming communities that suffer herdsmen attack for seeking to arm themselves.

You can see this in the aftermath of this senseless invasion, now Finland and Sweden are planning to join NATO within months. Will you now say it is ‘NATO expansion’, when Finland and Sweden that have refused to join NATO for decades are now clamoring to join?

Stop swallowing Russian propaganda!!

baralatie:
I
what do you know about the Minsk 2 agreement brokered by France and Germany



Then you can recorrect yourself

If you don’t know anything about that agreement, go and read Wikipedia. Don’t deflect.

baralatie:
If I was president of Ukraine!
I would not even allow Russia come to this point of war with Ukraine!
I already understand that the core issue is a NaTo clause in ukraines constitution.
I would have started with that Minsk 2 agreement.
Ensured I got a swap deal of removing that NATO from Ukraine to joining the EU on economic grounds
Pursue a laid down economic growth plan for all of Ukraine wether you are west or east
And with agreement with Russia allowed the states of Donetsk and lohansk have an autonomous working government but under Ukraine territory and control.


Tell me with the above will the war come from

Which polls are we talking about?
Zelensky declared martial law and the people got stuck with fighting by force wether you like it or not

An action that means Ukraine lost the whole of the eastern ukraine

Therein lies the issue. You ARE gullible and woefully uninformed.

Zelensky became President of Ukraine in 2019. By that time, Russia had already annexed Crimea, stealing it by force from an unprepared Ukraine in 2014. and in that same 2014, Russia had already triggered a civil war in Donetsk and Luhansk, with both regions forming breakaway republics. So i'm not sure why you'd go cap in hand to beg Russia who were already illegally occupying Ukrainian territory.

Imagine saying you'd go to Russia to get permission to allow the two territories to be autonomous, but under the Ukrainian umbrella. That's pretty much what Minsk II specified, but by 2018 it had already been violated multiple times and fighting was still ongoing.

But worse still is your sheer gullibility in falling for the Russian pretext that the war was about NATO. How can it be, when Russia already knew Ukraine wasn't going to be allowed into NATO? Between wariness of a russian response, the fact that NATO would never admit a member state that was under internal unrest/civil war and the opposition of France, Germany, Italy and the US to Ukraine joining, there's no way that Ukraine's application would have been accepted. And Putin knew this.

This war, this senseless conflict is all because - right from start - the russians have always considered Ukraine to be a 'fake' country. It has long been Putin's dream to reunite an imperial Russia with Russia, Belarus and Ukraine in one country. Russian literature and hardline philosophy has long called for the annexation of Ukraine.

You should read about Dugin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin. Putin and multiple members of the Russian leadership are fans of that philosophy. You should also check out statements made by the Orthodox patriarch of Moscow where he called for the annexation of Ukraine and even the baltic states.

Putin's calculations were driven by age (he's 69 and thus is running out of time to fulfil his dream), military briefings from his aides who convinced him that Kyiv would fall within days and the belief that Biden was a weak president who would be too distracted by internal US political wrangling to interfere.
As we've seen now, his decision to go to war has been a catastrophe for Ukraine, but also Russia. With approx 20000 killed, thousands of vehicles destroyed, economic sanctions beginning to bite, failed military campaigns a significant loss of prestige for Russia and the fact that they're drifting into China's sphere of influence.

Don't let anyone deceive you that this has anything to do with NATO. It doesn't at all. Because, thanks to Russia's 6500 nuclear warheads, nobody is going to invade Russia. Even North Korea with a handful of nukes are completely safe from invasion talk less of Russia.