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Jigga-man, you get strength o. Choi

I refuse to be tempted.

I hope the moderator would do something about the insults flying around on this thread.
www.nairaland.com/1561136/nigeria-economy-largest-africa-rebasing/12#1561136.409

egift: Person go us ordinary stone bring that concom down.

PetroDolla2: hahahahahah kicking mumugerian azz is my game, mor0n. I will continue flog you MUMUs like rented mules go fvck your mother, magg0t

Kwesia, you must be laughing at your stupidity right? You think we give a hoot about the foolishness you display on a daily basis here? Stop embarrassing yourself nigga. Whoever has not met any Ghanaian would think they are all as silly as you are.

PetroDolla2: and who the fvck is this sh1head? fsvck ya and your entire generation, modafaka

fvcking ugly smelly dog

Kwesia, stop torturing yourself. Cursing does not change the fact that you are annoyingly foolish.

PetroDolla2: fuelish MUMU goat. lagos is a sh1hole, right? in fact your entire dustbin country is a sh1hole, sh1nigeria,huh?http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?160202-Lagos-Nigeria-the-largest-nigger-city-in-the-world

Stop spamming this thread with your gibberish.

BluIvy: I thought you are older than 18yrs, so please do argur like a toddler. You want to tell me all 80million people who are said to be living in poverty are hawkers?

And why are you people so jealous? Whether SAn get free money is not an issue here. You behave as if, if Nigeria could decide to give grants you would say no to the money? And that would be a lie you will couse a stampede to get to the money. ANd carying government does that. Your not getting grants might the problem of your government stealing. Why becouse it leaves a lot of money to be stolen when if it was tied up to grants if the grants are not paid people would act quicker than if road is not fixed.

Why mentioned this is not how and what people do to get this money but to show a healthy GDP with direct benefits to the population, Nigeria's GDP may increase in number but has no direct benefits to its citize but indirect.

Am i the only one struggling to comprehend what she wrote up here?

This guy deserves the African player of the year award.

Obrafour: You see hypocrisy? So commenting on the sports thread is looking for trouble huh? You look on when your people insult Ghanaians, but have issues when we reply. Notice that I have been civil with the gentleman who has rained insults on me withouth provocation? If I start now, I will be remembered that this place is nairaland and not cedisland.

For you to have seen the supposed insult on Ghana on this thread, you must have read most comments here. Yet your first post was to call on people's attention on the insult directed at Ghana. Insult that can easily be ignored for the sake of peace. Why won't there be more of it knowing fully well that you get easily riled up by mere banter?

Massa, you need to start emulating posters like royal pearl, chriskwaku and achiemotan who have proven to people that peace loving Ghanaians abound.

Obrafour: So I get it that you won't mind when I post lagos pictures on this Thread huh?

You must be a very good Ghanaian patriot. Always going about looking for threads where Ghana/Ghanaian is being insulted. E-fights must be giving you a great relief from boredom. Enjoy sha.

Unfortunately, our votes don't count. The more the politicians, the more the party is favoured to rig the elction without questioning.

kulyie: See another one.

naso your nama abort you when you dey her womb because of job

See this one, you think say I for nor trouble my parents if they hadn't given me a decent life after having me?

I'll refer they abort me than bring me to this world to suffer.

Ogbeni go and se the oyun.

And I also hope they are aware of the level of poverty in Eritrea, south sudan and somaliland. These are countries that fought for secession but still struggle to provide decent lives for their citizens.

Seanord: this is why people fail exams

If we dey the same class for school, i go still pass you

He has every right to write off the Super Eagles. The three times Argentina met the Eagles at the world cup, they won abeit by narrow margin.

Who would see the current argentine squad and not fret at the thought of playing against them? Head to head, they are better. We are no match for them when we compare the experience and achievement of each argentine player to the super eagles players.

I'm very sure most Nigerians would not have even given any team a chance had we have the same set of players in the current argentine National team.

Maradona has aired his opinion, it is left for the Eagles to debunk his claim on the field of play. No need to make unnecessary noise.

Psquare is their boss

tall2ce: Atleast dis shows moses is more better and useful dan mikel

Nah, it only shows Moses is more respected and valued than Mikel.

He's not a better player than so many who are not privileged to be listed. What did it for him is his decision to play for Nigeria. I'm happy for him.

Lily010: WOW,Victor Moses na big boyoooo,He is eating money now come to talk of being featured with the big boys

Players like Agbonlahor, Onuoha and Sam would be dying of envy by now.

aaronson: Its not about Economical Development But Economical Growth,yes we have overtaken SouthAfrica but an average nigerian still live below 1dollar per day....how can you equate that to the preached development when 90% of nigerians wallow in abject poverty abegi make una go sitdon

And you believe that a country with over 80 percent of it's population owning atleast a mobile phone has an average of it's population living below a dollar per day? Even a mo.ron won't think like this.

thegoodjoehunt: Benjamin Francis was super against Italy and Kwambe was making his debut against one of the best teams in the World. I say we keep two of them and give them time to grow there.

Bros, he wasn't super. His performance was below average. His only high point is his attacking instinct.

If he could struggle against Cerci of Italy, how then do you expect him to fare against players like Di Maria, Messi, Aguero or Higuain. He's not a good player shikena.

Afam4eva: Sunday Mba plays for CA Bastia in France.

Nah! He plays for Enugu Rangers. His move to Bastia fell through.

Uncapped players i would love Keshi to call up are

Kenny Otigba (Heerenveen, Netherlands)
Imoh Ezekiel (Standard Liege, Belgium)
Ramon Azeez (Aimeria, Spain)
Abdul Ajagun (Panatinaikos, Greece)

Onuoha can go to hell.

rexbuton: He's just an extra figure. So it wouldn't look like africa was sidelined.. I'd pick yaya toure instead

Yaya Toure is old. Why do you think he picked Gozte instead of Frank Ribery or Wu instead of Shinji Kagawa? The man is obviously looking for raw skillful players to blend with the established ones.

He needed to include an African player, and Victor Moses happens to be the most talented albeit inexprerience player. Hence his inclusion.

http://m.allafrica.com/stories/201208020446.html/?maneref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fm%3Fq%3DAct%2BOne%253A%2BThe%2BProphet%2Band%2Bthe%2BPariah%252C%2B1960%25E2%2580%2593%2B1993%2BThe%2Bannus%2Bmirabilis%2Bof%2BAfrican%2Bindependence%2Bin%2B1960%2Bsaw%2Bthe%2Bbirth%2Bof%2B%26client%3Dms-opera-mini%26channel%3Dnew

From his first-hand experience as head of the ANC office in Lagos, Mbeki developed much respect for Nigeria’s sense of fierce independence. Both he and Obasanjo worked closely at managing African conflicts and promoting norms of democratic government through the African Union. Bilateral trade increased during this period, with Nigeria becoming South Africa’s largest trading partner in Africa, a relationship now worth $3.6 billion a year.

Nigerians, however, complained of predatory behaviour by South African companies, accusing them of profiting from the Nigerian market – three times larger than South Africa’s – while refusing to open up their own.

There were also strains in bilateral relations which were addressed by eight binational commission meetings between 1999 and 2000. Annoyed at the difficulties experienced by Nigerians in obtaining visas to South Africa, Abuja imposed stricter visa requirements of its own on South Africans.

Nigerian diplomats complained about reports of their compatriots as drug-traffickers and criminals in the South African press.

Act Four: The Era of the Khalifas, 2009-2012

Khalifa is the term used in northern Nigeria for kings -in-waiting. Two such khalifas – both former deputy presidents – are now presidents of Nigeria and South Africa: Goodluck Jonathan and Jacob Zuma. Both have been accused of weak, indecisive leadership. After the election of Zuma as South Africa’s president in …††„, Tshwane co-operated closely with Angola, having identified it as its key strategic ally. This created tensions with Nigeria by appearing to downgrade the ‘special relationship’ between the two countries. The fact that South Africa is the only African representative in the Group of 20 and BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) groupings has exacerbated this. There were further disagreements over differing approaches to tackling the conflicts in Côte d’Ivoire and Libya in 2011. During the post-election crisis in Côte d’Ivoire, Nigeria adopted a belligerent stance towards Laurent Gbagbo, who refused to stand down after losing elections. South Africa provocatively sent a warship to the Gulf of Guinea in Nigeria’s traditional West African sphere of influence.

Libya revived diplomatic rivalry. Though both countries voted in the UN Security Council to support the intervention, Nigeria became one of the first African countries to recognise the country’s National
Transitional Council. South Africa delayed recognition of the NTC and accused Nato of abusing its mandate in Libya. These damaging disagreements together with the tit-for-tat deportations of each others citizens in March in a row over fake vaccination cards highlight the importance of Abuja and Tshwane re-establishing a common strategic approach if Africa’s voice is to carry weight on the global stage.

Encouragingly, the first meeting of the binational commission in four years took place in May, with both sides agreeing to relax visa requirements. They also agreed to strengthen African regional bodies in the areas of peace, democracy and development. Let’s hope, in the words of the Bard, that all’s well that ends well.

Dr Adekeye Adebajo is executive director of the Centre for Conflict Resolution, Cape Town, and author of The Curse of Berlin: Africa After the Cold War; and UN
Peacekeeping in Africa.

Act One: The Prophet and the Pariah, 1960– 1993

The annus mirabilis of African independence in 1960 saw the birth of Nigeria amid great hopes that a political and economic giant could take its preordained place in the African sun. In the same year, South Africa was about to be expelled from the Commonwealth for the killing of 69 unarmed blacks in Sharpeville. South Africa’s foreign policy, like Nigeria’s, was paradoxically suffused with a missionary zeal. While Nigeria advocated economic development, apartheid’s leaders
talked patronisingly about their country having special responsibilities to spread Western values north of the Limpopo. In the three decades that followed, both countries failed to achieve their leadership aspirations for very different reasons.

In the case of Nigeria, its attempts at seeking greater political influence in West Africa through economic means were frustrated by France, which encouraged francophone states to create rival trade blocs.

South Africa, by contrast, dominated the Southern African Customs Union and established, alongside Botswana, Swaziland, and Lesotho, the common market that eluded West Africa. But since South Africa was diplomatically isolated and forced to bear the brunt of international sanctions, Nigeria was the prophet, South Africa the pariah.

Nigeria attended meetings of the Frontline States of Southern Africa, chaired the United Nations Special Committee Against Apartheid, and hosted a UN antiapartheid conference. After Nelson Mandela’s release from jail in 1990, he visited Nigeria to express his gratitude, and received a $10 million campaign contribution for the African National Congress. There were great expectations that these developments would mark the birth of a strong alliance between Africa’s two economic powerhouses.

Act Two: King Baabu and the Avuncular Saint, 1994–1998

These hopes were soon dashed by the unexpected souring of relations between Abuja and Tshwane (Pretoria). It is important to understand the two protagonists in the second act of this drama: General Sani Abacha and Nelson Mandela. In his 2002 play King Baabu, Nigerian Nobel literature laureate, Wole Soyinka, depicted Baabu as a brutish and corrupt general who exchanges his military attire for a monarchichal robe. The play is a thinly disguised satire of General Abacha’s debauched rule between 1993 and his death in 1998. In power, Abacha was ruthless and reclusive, but hardly as inept as the caricature depicted by Soyinka and Nigeria’s political opposition, who greatly underestimated him. Abacha proved to be a political survivor who understood how to control Nigeria’s army and buy off the country’s political class.

Nelson Mandela is the starkest contrast one can imagine to Abacha. An educated, middle-class lawyer and a cosmopolitan anglophile, this Nobel Peace laureate spent 27 years as a political prisoner and embodied his people’s aspirations for a democratic future. Under Abacha’s autocratic rule, it was Nigeria, and not South Africa, that was now facing mounting criticism over its human rights record.

Having abandoned its apartheid past, South Africa was widely acknowledged to be the most likely political and economic success story in Africa. The nadir of relations between the countries was reached after the hanging by the Abacha regime of Nigerian environmental activist Ken Saro-Wiwa and eight of his fellow Ogoni campaigners, during the Commonwealth summit in New Zealand in November 1995.

Mandela believed he had received personal assurances from Abacha of clemency for the ‘Ogoni nine’ Feeling deeply betrayed, he called for oil sanctions against Abacha’s regime and Nigeria’s expulsion from the Commonwealth. Even Mandela’s status, however, failed to rally regional support against Nigeria. It took a deus ex machina event – Abacha’s sudden death in 1998 – to transform this tale of the prophet and the pariah into a tale of two prophets.

Act Three: The Philosopher-King and the Soldier-Farmer, 1999–2008

Thabo Mbeki and Olusegun Obasanjo assumed the presidencies of their countries in 1999. Mbeki, a Sussex University-trained economist, often wrote his own speeches, fancied himself as a philosopherking who developed the idea of an ‘African Renaissance’, and was widely celebrated as the intellectual father of the New Partnership for Africa’s Development.

Obasanjo, a career soldier and engineer, established one of Africa’s largest farms in his hometown of Ota upon retirement as military head of state in 1979, before returning as civilian leader 20 years later.

Nigeria and South Africa’s relations date back to decades ago, with Nigeria topping the list of foremost supporters of Black South African liberation movements, including the African National Congress.

During the period, the Nigerian government issued more than 300 passports to South Africans seeking to travel abroad.

Few years after the apartheid in South Africa, what seemed like a very close relationship gradually turned into rivalry, with Nigerians suffering xenophobic attacks, a development that has been described by Nigerians as a ‘stab in the back’.

As at 2011 over 24,000 Nigerians were living in South Africa. Increasing competition between the two countries for positions at multilateral organisations is also thought to have worsened relations.

There have been conflicting interests between both countries, as it relates to politics in Africa. One of which was seen during the crisis that erupted in Cote d’Ivoire after the election. While South Africa supported incumbent Laurent Gbagbo to continue in office, Nigeria was in favour of Alassane Ouattara to take over as president.

However, beyond the seeming rivalry between both countries, the President of Nigeria, Goodluck Jonathan was in South Africa in May 2013 in a major visit that drew attention away from any rivalry to focus on Africa.

During the visit, Jonathan urged African leaders to pay greater attention to the economic emancipation of the people as a way of consolidating the achievements recorded in the liberation of the continent.

He said that Nigeria and South Africa were not in competition but are brothers striving for the greater good of the continent.

Channels Television had a chat with South Africa’s High commissioner to Nigeria, Ambassador Lulu Mngunu, about the ties that bind both countries and how to make it stronger.

Ambassador Mngunu described Nigeria as “a country that is hinged on the philosophy of Pan-Africanism, as expounded by Kwame Nkrumah, Julius Nyerere and many other leaders who always believe that Africa cannot be free if it had in it some countries that are not free”. The philosophy, he said, entails the struggle towards integrating and becoming one to enable the continent overcome its challenges whether political or economic.

He pointed out that the South African foreign policy is based on the consolidation of the African Agenda.

Beyond Xenophobic Attacks And Rivalry “Our interests as South Africans are inextricably bound with those of the African continent. South Africa cannot make it alone. This was proved during the struggle. I am sure even now we will be in the trenches if we were to fight it alone. Thanks to our friends and our brothers from Nigeria,” Ambassador Mngunu said.

The friendly relationship seen during apartheid has been taunted with the increasing xenophobic attacks Nigerians in South Africa are experiencing.

However, Ambassador Mngunu, insisted that ‘xenophobia was not part of South Africa’s foreign policy’. “We have our own law to punish anybody that harasses or engages negatively on the people… whether South Africans, Namibians or Nigerians. We are educating our people that we have come a long way with these
people. We have shared trenches fighting against apartheid and we are now sharing trenches to bring about peace in Africa,” He said. To bring an end to these attacks, he emphasised that the South African government has set up a programme aimed at educating South Africans on the nation’s foreign policies, as it relates to migrants.

Beyond the attack and rivalry, the ambassador pointed out several areas that both countries are exploring to ensure they benefit from each other and strengthen ties. One of which is the mining sector; an area South Africa has over 100 years’ experience in.

The ambassador also explained the issues surrounding the issuance of South African Visa, which Nigerians have complained was becoming difficult to obtain.

Source:www.channelstv.com/home/2013/11/12/nigeria-south-africa-relations-beyond-rivalry-to-stronger-ties/

fury: Can someone tell me how a sane country will continue voting for and supporting the same set of crooks who have been in power for decades with no significant improvement?

I think we deserve what we get! Our problem is neither OBJ nor GEJ nor BUHARI but the same set of gullible people who keeps on supporting them.

Are they the only set of people who can rule Nigeria?

Let us continue recycling garbage and keep on hoping for a better nigeria.

Unfortunately, the masses voted for their respective candidates but the eventual winners rendered the public votes void by rigging their ways into power.

Take a good look at the states where it was very obvious the votes of the masses counted and observe the developmental stride in those states. Edo State, Ogun state and Ondo state have achieved what their corrupt predecessors could only dream of in their 8 years of power.

Until we find solution to election malpractice, Nigeria will have to continue making do with the thieves the PDP impose on us.