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Ovamboland:
Even the one the claimed mother had iron bar sticking out if his eye is also a killing by military assault rifle?
Adding this to your tally shows the story is not reliable neither is your count.

Do you know that as long as we want to believe what we believe, there is a great tendency to be narrow minded and that I have seen with lots of comments on this thread.

I guess it will come as a shock to many that it takes the killing of just 5 people for a massacre to be established which runs contrary to the mindset of many who see massacre as the killing of hundreds of people.

Please believe whatever you want of it will make you sleep well at night.

greatiyk4u:
So any accident that claim 5 lives na massacre?


Suddenly, you created on your own imagination 5 as a benchmark for many.

Smart by half

Abeg no vex o...

But does your post even make sense to you?

Equating killing to accident?

I'm beginning to get scared of the future of this country with the type of posts I see on this thread.

Drogunov:
SHUT UP THERE! Advocate of mass killing.

Don't mind them

BadRadio:
When you think you've found the bones of your bones, one yahoo boy will just come out of the blues and snatch her away from you.


Prospective wife materials are being carried away and these Yahoo boys prey on them.

Yahoo boys pls leave good girls alone so we can see one to marry.

Yahoo boys dont deserve wife material biko

They were never wife material.

Confidant010:
I met this babe in 2017 while in school. She was in Diploma program then and I was in my final in degree program.
Initially, she pretended to be everything any man would wish in a woman; obedient, submissive, helpful in house chores, etc.

I left for my national youth service the following year and I have been supportive through her thick n thorn with the resources at my disposal. Sending her cash for upkeep, supporting her during her dad's burial, sending cash to her mum occasionally, paying her dept without her notice, etc.
If am to take into account all that I have spent from her since 2017-date, 300k wouldn't be an exaggeration.

Recently, having helped her in Jamb to get admission into a degree program on scholarship, while I am in Lagos, trying to build myself. The girl is completely a different human being entirely. She openly tells me countlessly that the cash I give to her now isn't enough for her, that her ex boyfriend she dated used to give her more. Last month I sent her 6k, I was really stressed financially, when we had issues, she told me not to stress her bc of ordinary 6K. She flares over very minor misunderstanding.

Please what should I do guys?
She's planning visiting me next month.
I'm very confused bc I really love her.
Pls mature minds only.
Your input will be of help.
Thanks guys.

Go find your level.

I don't know why some guys kill themselves to satisfy a lady financial needs.

There is always a lady that will appreciate the little you give so it either you look for such a lady or forget dating and go hustle or perhaps look for a rich lady that just needs love.

She even compared you to her ex... Bro you are finished.

Kingpin1000:
Fear women.
I was chatting with a friend and she was saying men are heartless and I was like " how far? " she was damn serious. Then I told her a woman's heart is 3x stronger than a Man's heart. I told her it is almost impossible for a man to go visit an unknown lady He met on Facebook from faraway Kano to Lagos, but a girl will do that without even thinking about the risk. There was one that came, na only she enter bathroom, bath come out with just towel. All this she did without even knowing me. What if I were a ritualist, she would just be at my mercy.
Many brutal experiences metted on cheaters are by the females on their fellow females.
The girl even get mind dey 4ck that kind man, wetin home promise her or wetin him dey give her?

Woman wey get mind communicate with Satan in the garden of eden. Till date we still don't know what they discussed.

BuckleyBriggs:
Thanks for letting us know. Months ago, you were telling us how being with a dirty sugar daddy made you quit. Stop confusing us please

I learnt she is a clout chaser.

Loreettaa:
Eeyah. Sorry for whoever is married to you?

Better worry about getting a great guy like me to marry.

She is having the best time of her life married to me.

Aidejay:
that is a very unintelligent statement to make. she sold out the 3 shows for him how na!

So you are not smart enough to know that essence was the music people paid to come and watch. Common.

SQLmastar:
Egbon, she is harming the society by having a baby without following due process.

What due process? The one in your head?

GOD said go into the world and multiply so whichever way is cool as long as she is not hurting anyone.

pocohantas:
Congratulations to her!

I commend her for this move.

Dearest Naija women, this is 2021. If you want a child, no husband forthcoming, fck societal rules and get that child.

Even if it takes stealing sperm, steal it!

After all, they always use lux soap to waste it inside bathroom. Is it that 1 drop they gave you that will kill them?

Don’t stay and be asking “did you come inside?” at 38. Or drinking postinor 2 upandan.

Children would love you in good and bad. Dirty mummy, fat mummy, stretch marks mummy, mummy is mummy.

Don’t allow hypocritical Nigerians dictate how you live your life. Especially when you are not harming anyone.

How i wish each of my threads are taken seriously.

Honestly this life no hard.

Now she has a child..her own child with her DNA, she still has her banging body, she is happy, she now has a child to call her mummy.

You may say she has the money for surrogacy but if you dont want surrogacy then get a sperm from one decent man and have a child then calm down to find a husband.

I am tired trying to make these ladies see things as they are.

Lalasticlala i would like you to take a closer look at this.

Loreettaa:
You're a little bit married

I have told you to stop bothering yourself.

If i want any lady i will go for her regardless of my marital status. A man can only commit adultery if he goes for a married woman but there is no crime if a married man expresses desire for a single lady.

So relax babe..marriage nah title for men but nah status for women.

Deicide:
To be honest i didn't understand why he thought he could carry her

Wizkid for just woo her officially. This one wey she don dey friendzone am.

He is 31 she is 26 and wizzy seems to like her. Afterall she sold out 3 shows for him just because of that her unique voice in the hit song essence.

She looks so decent and very hot. Even with her hot body you will hardly see her flaunt semi nude pics.

Deicide:
But she is not actually saying she is ok with what he did

Exactly. She is just acting OK but not cool with it.

Wizzy nah randy guy.

Loreettaa:
a little bit married

You mean Tems is married?

So she admits he was trying to be inappropriate but they are on stage nah..it comes with the territory

Tems looks decent but she too set. Nice body .

The satanic people will still come out to say these people were paid and that they should go and provide the corpse of their dead.

It shall not be well with evil minded people who trivialized the lekki massacre

helinues:
You are the olodo here cos you can't use 5 as many when talking about a massacre.

Let's even start from the basic, how many police officers were deployed to the venue? According to the report, like 3 trucks full of officers.

Then let me ask you, how many rounds of bullets do you think each officers had? 3 trucks should be on an average of 15 security personnel's in a truck. If they shot indiscriminately, how many people do you think would have been shot/killed?

Considering what you wrote in the embolden, I will be a fool to respond to you henceforth. You should go and bring the rats in your village so that hey can kill them in thousand s for you to establish a massacre.

helinues:
Are 5 people many? Where did you get your definition of a massacre from?

How many people died during the Abba Moro's immigration recruitment? Should we call that a massacre as well?

I go call you olodo if you keep ranting about this. You defined a massacre to be the killing of MANY

Many means at least 5. it could be 1000000000 but as little as 5 is considered as man.

Please dont let your parents money be a waste and stop arguing this matter.

helinues:
Leaving out Number 3 and 4,

Stop struggling, that's your submission, meaning there was a massacre according to you.

Yes that is my conclusion. 5 people is enough to be called a massacre and this can not be argued. Many means 5 or more. Massacre is the killing of many people. Simple logic

helinues:
Stop being quarter clever. How many people died during the Lekki toll gate protest.

Are they many?

I know you guys don't ever read to comprehend.

Please define the word ''many'' since you have refused to see the brilliant definition i gave.

helinues:
There was nothing like a massacre in Lekki toll gate.

There were shootings, perhaps some people could be killed but saying massacre, hell no

Was bullet fired during Abba Moro's charade immigration recruitment that cos the lives of some Nigerian youths?

Except if Massacre now has a new meaning

I give up on you guys. Always making comment without reading and comprehending. At least make a comment with reference to the points i raised regarding the word massacre and many in the context.

Some people as you wrote consitute many

yorubarere:
Toks, I think you are the close minded one here. Many of us who doesn't believe in that lies asked for evidence. We need evidence to believe. But many of you who believe the tales don't have evidence to back it up other than hearsay and emotions.

Toks, I will believe you if you can provide concrete evidence(s).

What evidence again?

The governor confirmed two. Adesola who is the mother of a diseased confirmed 3, the judicial panel confirmed 11.

What crazy evidence do people want again? at this point even if people come out to claim they lost someone as Adesola did you lot will still tell them to prove it.

Only a narrow minded fellow will discredit the fcat that at least 5 people died and that is enough to call it a massacre

princdebola201:
Trying to twist narrative, the person that died in reddington was not shot. He did as a result of blunt force trauma to the head as a result of stampede.
The other person was unconfirmed if he was a protester from lekki.majority of protesters took to reddington were treated for injuries as a result of stampede.
You guys think Ak47 is a joke

If Army fire Ak47 at close range into crowd of over 1000, over 200 people will die instantly with their body parts scattered all over toll gate.

Now it is confirmed that you guys don't ever read to comprehend. Please calm down and read the definition of massacre and killing in that context.

As long as the death happened whether as a result of direct shooting or as a result of the ripple effect,it is still attributed to the action that led to it.

yorubarere:
Toks. I read your post (I am a fast reader).

Meanwhile, when did sanwolu agreed that 2persons died at lekkigate? Those were casualties he agreed to in Lagos state not lekkigate.

As for other interviews, they still remain an hearsay. That means there are not evidence.

Click on he link and you will se clearly where he confirmed two cases.

The problem with many people is that they want to believe what they believe but my post is so objective.

I defined a massacre and i made it clear that many means 5 or more and i is also clear that at least 5 people died either directly or indirectly from the shooting.

If that does not constitute a massacre then guy believe whatever you want

seunmsg:
The desperation to force Nigerians to accept a massacre that never happened is real.

OP, what the fvck is this? Even a well funded panel of expert couldn’t establish a massacre after sitting for over a year but you think you can prove a massacre by cut and paste stories? Are you sure you’re okay? Better go do something meaningful with your time instead of posting nonsense all over the place.

If i had concluded there was no massacre i guess you will be happy cos it suits your narrative.

People with a closed mind will never read and comprehend but they read to respond with what they have in their closed mind.

No doubt that at least 5 people died from the lekki tollgate shooting and if your governor can confirm two and a mother confirmed 3 i believe that is more than enough.

If you can't see this point then believe whatever you want.

yorubarere:
Toks, your write-up is worst than the panel. You are still not bring up hard evidences for this. And as for the papers you quoted, many of them trended on the issues for clouts. Not many of them were after evidence. They based their findings on copy and paste journalism or hearsay from people (interviews).

By the way, no one is saying shooting didn't occur. Soldiers claimed they shot into the air.

No one is saying there were no casualties. There were casualties across the state not lekkigate as u intend to claim. How come all the casualties in Lagos before, on and after that Oct 20 were counted to be victims of lekkigate?

How sure are you that those casualties are govt security related? For all we care, there were cult clashes within the state using the chaos as a chance to cause trouble knowing fully well the securities were distracted.

After the chaos, do you have numbers of casualties on Lagos street day by day till date? Many of which might be caused by; robberies gone wrong, cult supremacy, rituals etc. Can they be counted as endsars as well? More so, the lekkigate?

The thing is, your narrative is your opinion. It doesn't have any fact other than emotions. Ask yourself questions and answer them, maybe you will get the answers you seek.

But I want you to know something, lies and deceit can never trump truth no matter what.

Till then, I wish you well.

I can bet my right arm that you did not read what i wrote but you responded with bias.

Please read again and relate the meaning of massacre to the number of people that died.

You guys had t discredit the entire report of same panel set up by the government. It takes only 5deaths for a massacre to happen. Sanwo Olu confirmed two and the mother who lost her child confirmed 3. The links are there as rference.

Only a fool will reason that because more people did not come out to talk about their dead at lekki tollgate means no death occured.

Yet the Adesola story is out there but you all are not making reference to it.

helinues:
It's just a pity that you sunk this Lekki massacre bulshit from onset.

So you are referring to killing of 5 people as a massacre. Should Five people killed now be termed a massacre.

This argument is logical enough but wondering why you are unable to comprehend

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 5 people is enough. GOSH

That is my point and anyone who argues this should have his o her academic certificate withdrawn.

A Massacre is the killing of many people and many means 5 or more...could be a million.

When you live in a country where human lives don't matter, the death of 5 citizens is never considered a massacre.

Many people always ascribe the word Massacre to mean the killing of hundreds of people or more but the fact is that you only need to kill at least 5 people for a massacre to occur and that is the essence of this thread...To study the word MASSACRE in order to ascertain if indeed it took place at the Lekki Tollgate.

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, Massacre means the killing of many people in a short period of time:

Lets take a closer look at the word ''Many'' as well as ''kill'' in the definitions above.

The Word Many usually refers to a large number of something countable but as a general rule, two is a couple, three is a few, four is several. However, It is generally accepted that “many,” while having no precise number attached to it, is the greatest in quantity in this list. You might have many choices, and that suggests far more than choosing between solely A, B, C or perhaps D. So the word many is generally believed to mean any number greater than four.

The word kill can be defined as an action that directly causes death or that indirectly leads to death.

So before we can conclude if there was indeed a massacre at the Lekki tollgate we need to ask this question..

Did at least 5 people die at Lekki tollgate directly or indirectly as a result of the shootings by security operatives of either life Bullets or blanks ?

1. According to Premium times https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/422446-endsars-sanwo-olu-confirms-two-deaths-from-lekki-shooting.html.. The governor of Lagos state Sanwo Olu Confirmed two deaths at the Lekki tollgate

2. Many people have argued that if indeed there was a massacre, the families of the dead would have come out to speak and while some people agreed with this position, some strongly believe that fear could be the reason why many have not come out to speak but this is not the case with Adesola who painfully recounted how she went in search of her child at the lekki tollgate and saw a dead body of a small boy lying dead and holding the Nigerian flag and with a bullet wound on the side of his body and also saw someone in the gutter who had an iron bar in his eye. The person was already dead," she recalled.

According to her story "When I saw my son, I shouted and held him... The blood was too much, there was a bullet wound on his chest. His clothes were torn and the bullet had come out of his back," she said, weeping as she recounted the painful moment. Despite his injuries, she discovered her son was still alive. I saw other people carrying their relatives, so I tried to carry him because he was still breathing at that moment. I called for help and people came to help me put him in a vehicle, He was looking at us while we were carrying him. He was just screaming 'ah, ah,' in pain. They tried desperately to revive him in the car, but he didn't make it, she told CNN. "He died in my arms," Adesola said. "I was shouting and I couldn't keep calm." https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/19/africa/lekki-toll-gate-shooting-one-year-intl-cmd/index.html

3. There were other witnesses like Olamilekan Sanusi who came to the Lagos Judicial Panel of Inquiry and recounted his harrowing experience. Appearing before Rabiat Fawehinmi-Morakinyo, C.O. Ngoka and others, Sanusi had said in his testimony, “About eleven (11) people died that they took away.

“I could hear a woman saying ‘you must not die, my son’. I was lying beside her wearing blue, she was holding her son’s hand saying you must not die. I was hearing a sound like the wind. I tried to open my eyes but I could not. I later found myself in a hospital with a drip.” http://saharareporters.com/2021/11/28/endsars-how-testimony-survivor-lekki-tollgate-massacre-rubbishes-claim-lagos-lawyer

4. The Lagos Judicial Panel of Inquiry concluded that the Nigerian Army shot and killed at least 11 unarmed, peaceful protesters and wounded dozens of others during a demonstration last year, in an incident that can be labelled a massacre, a government panel has found.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/world/africa/nigeria-protest-report-massacare.html

The question is... From the 11 Names released, even if according to the FG, there were one or two errors in names, shall we say the entire 11 names were made up?

CONLUSION.
Considering the 2 confirmed deaths by Governor Sanwo Olu, the eye witness account of Adeola, as well as that of Olamilekan Sanusi and the report of the Lagos judicial Panel, we can confirmed that at least 5 people died as a result of the Lekki tollgate shooting of unarmed protesters and this is more than enough to call it a Massacre.

My Candid opinion. Which does not represent the view of nairaland or any other body or individual.

Tems practically sold the place out but wizzy takes the shine

mrbenjame:
Please I need an honest opinion. I’m not saying there’re no good women. But the rate at which women who marry their abroad hubbys and thereafter go to join them overseas and start misbehaving gets me very worried and sometimes afraid. The question is

1. How often does this happen?
2. Should a guy go on to take his chances?
3. Should he marry someone already abroad?
4. Should he settle entirely with another Nationality totally?

Guys make una input o make we know where we Dey.

If you guys have been dating in Naija already befor either of you got a visa then there is a good chance of you two having sweet union no matter the struggles,

But if one of you had secured a visa or moved outside the country before meeting each other then their is greater chance of serious issues.

This is what i observed from friends.