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Nairalanders with gossips, na wao so much for "meat seller" ***Just passing anyway***

Ideally, Nigeria before the amalgamation of 1914 was better off, the shabby and hasty amalgamation was purely a British creation to consolidate power into the hands of their stooge, the Northern aristocrats – bearer of the British authority’s whims and caprices over a new nation, Nigeria! The different states that eventually made up the entity called Nigeria at their initial stages have varied cultural, ethnic and racial groups with little or no intent to come under the same political tent even though they engaged one another in trades and other commercial-related businesses many years earlier. The fusion of these states under the principle of equity through political, economic and social arrangements was ill-timed and insidious. As a result of this charade, Nigeria became an artificial creation of the British Empire!

7842I: A device used to control planes, OBJ was a fighter pilot during the war.

Laugh wan kill me here oooo

Dede1: Even those who fought to keep One-Nigeria as a colonial contraption did so in vain.

Abeg Dede1, tell them make them hear now, I have a feeling that after the Malian uprising, Nigeria may be next!

babyosisi: Anybody that died to keep Nigeria one from what we see in Nigeria died in vain
We are not one,were never meant to be one and can never be one the evil day is just being postponed
That is a statement of fact

Even if you paint the above statement in 'WHITE' that clown will never see it like that, always reveling in "Utter Darkness' I don't understand how some people reason, just look at this country and tell me what is UNITED in this UNION!!!

Obj is a clown though a 'Force to be reckoned with' in the scheme of things as far as Nigerian politics is concerned!

hhaaaahhahhahhaaaaa , did you just said 'meat seller' na wao, over-forming no go send some of my guys here to early death before their time So much for 'Nairalanders'

Hmmmnnnn, not even the Emir is venerated by this 'scoundrels' Dear Lord help us tighten the 'nuts and bolts' in the heads of our 'Leaders' so that they can do the expected (that has been long overdue)DIVIDE THIS COUNTRY

The guy no ugly at all!

The guy wise wella, I just love his maturity!

[quote author=Foxy_Rebirth]Men....^^^ [/quote]If you are in shock the story of that bloodied boy can be traced to this;

The History of Ashura Tradition among the Shiites in Islam

Husayn, second son of Ali and Fatima, and grandson of the Prophet, Muhammad, the founder of Islam. Husayn is considered the second (and sometimes third) Imam (political leader) of the Shia branch of Islam. His fame rests chiefly on his preeminence as the Prophet's last surviving grandson and with his rebellion against the Umayyad caliph Yazid, which ended in martyrdom
Husayn was born in Medina (located in present-day western Saudi Arabia) in 626, a few years before Muhammad's death (632). Husayn and his older brother Hasan were the Prophet's only grandsons and numerous Islamic traditions relate Muhammad's special love for the two boys. Husayn's tragic story began after the death of Hasan, whose claim to the caliphate, the office of the supreme leader of the Muslims, had been challenged by Muawiyah, the founding father of the Umayyad dynasty. When Hasan abdicated and submitted to Muawiyah's caliphate in 661, Husayn too, as the younger brother, was obligated to acknowledge Muawiyah. After Hasan's death, Husayn continued to submit to Muawiyah but refused to recognize Muawiyah's son, Yazid, as the heir apparent to the caliphate.

On Muawiyah's death Husayn fled Medina and its Umayyad governor to avoid giving allegiance to Yazid. Having found temporary refuge in the holy city of Mecca, Husayn soon received letters from many of the inhabitants of Al Kūfah (now in Iraq) who invited him to rebel with them against Yazid and claim the caliphate for himself. Husayn then dispatched a cousin, Muslim ibn Aqil, to Al Kūfah, where Muslim wrote back and confirmed this support. However, by the time the letter had reached Husayn in Mecca, Muslim's activities had been reported to the Umayyad governor and he had been abandoned by the Kūfans. Having set off through the desert for Al Kūfah with a small party of men, women, and children, Husayn was stopped from completing the journey. In 680 all of his male companions, with the exception of one of his sons, Ali Zain al-Abidin, were massacred by Umayyad soldiers at Karbala. Husayn was beheaded, his body trampled by horses, and his head taken to the Umayyad court. Mainstream Shias believe Husayn designated his son, Ali Zain al-Abidin, to be his successor, and thus Imam, shortly before being martyred (just as Hasan was supposed to have designated Husayn just before his death).

While the massacre at Karbala is condemned by Muslims in general, it is particularly mourned by Imami Shias on Ashura, an annual day of mourning that falls on the traditional date of Husayn's martyrdom, the 10th day of the Islamic month of Muharram. During this day, Imami Shias ritually reenact the massacre and express their grief. Many may cut their own bodies with razors and whip themselves to emulate Husayn's bloody wounds. The event culminates in a Passion Play in which the angel Gabriel delivers a key to Husayn, which he can use to take to paradise all those who have honored him. Among Shia Muslims, Ashura is the most important of the many events observed in commemoration of martyrdom and is known generically as Taziya. In contrast to mainstream Muslims, Imami Shias believe that all of their Imams were martyred, with the exception of the last who is in hiding but ready to return to the world to restore justice as the Mahdi, or rightly guided Imam.

So much for a Religion!!!

Andre Uweh: Ni oruko Jesu Oluwa wa, amin.

Yo Andre, where av u been lately? Omo Seun deserves more than that, the guy has really tried so much and he has succeeded in putting his name on the World Map of achievers, thank God he graduated from my Alma Mater (of the Greatest Ife, OAU)

Trust me Ladies and Gentlemen, this religion is nothing but deception of the deepest dye, filled with sophistries and to sum it up; LIE, LIE, E-LIE, LIE!!!

and what is the meaning of this?

and what do you call this? or better still 'spot the difference' from those bags of garbage all in the name of "religion of peace"?

And this is supposed to be a religion of Peace? Can somebody tell me the name of that book beside the 'severed hand'?

prairie: No! U got it wrng, God wuld neva be his strength if all he does is blaspheme instead of preachin d gospel, u only make muslims hate us the more and it'll make it harder to reach out to them, preach LOVE i beg of u not blasphemy

If you follow my posts on this particular thread you would have noticed that I have to exhaust all what I have in my kitty just to make this debate an informative,educative and enlightening one. Unfortunately, in a situation where the other party is trying at all cost to argue to win, then we are heading for something sketchy! We all know and I am sure they (many of the Muslims) know too that there is a connection with 'Violence to Islam' but they always come out to act coyly about it. So I have preached in LOVE, educate in LOVE, but what do we have? They keep peddling psycho-babbles and extreme lies

[quote author=rush j.]Lucky u, not a physical conversation. Ur mother wud hv born anoda tomakint. u will definitely die in pieces. Mumu, waka, shege dan banza, alade, akuya. God go punish u severely.[/quote]If only you know WHO IS WITH ME (JESUS) you will not just voiced out that! You see now why people tagged ur religion a 'Religion of Violence' anyway I have good news for you, "JESUS LOVES YOU rush j"

adaybayor: slowpoke, whats your point exactly

My point is ur Qu'ran is just a rule book, portraying complete opposite of the Book of Life, The Bible! To sum it up' it's full of 'psychobabbles and fairytales' unfortunately you (especially you) are too 'slow upstairs' to decode the falsehood in ur 'Rule Book'

miiraaj: I don read the bible nd noticed dt d jesus in the bible is same as the jesus in the video. I even enter google but e dey show me the same thing. Abeg which way nau?

Son, let's face it, YOU ARE LOST

miiraaj: Sorry bross dnt mean to be rude. I want you to differentiate between the jesus I saw in this video and the jesus you want me to embrace because I don't knw which one to believe in.
View the video again

http://archive.org/download/TheArrivalsRevised/TheArrivalsPt.36theStoryOfJesus_512kb.mp4

Grab a copy of the BIBLE and read about that one and only JESUS and compare it with your own JESUS in the video, you will see the answers staring at you

miiraaj: Dis one na simple matter nau.No need for long grammar. Watch this video and tell me which Jesus u want me to accept?
http://archive.org/download/TheArrivalsRevised/TheArrivalsPt.36theStoryOfJesus_512kb.mp4

It's a free world afterall your Qu'ran states it clearly that, there should be no 'compulsion in religion'!! I am only making you to see the LIGHT, if the teachings of false teachers, pagans are what catch your fancies now despite the fact that the Bible is so ubiquitous, then you are free to 'believe your belief', but I have a feeling you may encounter Jesus Christ sooner than you are expecting

anataala: IS NOT WHAT I BELIEVE BUT WHO IS HE? he is a human being like you and me that can sleep,drink, be happy/angry and a prophet of God who follow prophecies of prophet Moses and preaches the same message other prophets of God teaching, you can not be a Muslim if you don't believe him as messenger of God not only him all the prophets that God sent below is muslim believe in jesus
What Do Muslims Believe about Jesus?

Muslims respect and revere Jesus (peace be upon him). They consider him one of the greatest of God’s messengers to mankind. The Quran confirms his virgin birth, and a chapter of the Quran is entitled ‘Maryam’ (Mary). The Quran describes the birth of Jesus as follows:

(Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be). God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Quran, 3:45-47)

Jesus was born miraculously by the command of God, the same command that had brought Adam into being with neither a father nor a mother. God has said:

The case of Jesus with God is like the case of Adam. He created him from dust, and then He said to him, “Be!” and he came into being. (Quran, 3:59)

During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. God tells us that Jesus said:

“I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you the shape of a bird out of clay, I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s permission. I heal the blind from birth and the leper. And I bring the dead to life by God’s permission. And I tell you what you eat and what you store in your houses....” (Quran, 3:49)

Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. And the likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus. God has said:

...They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)... (Quran, 4:157)

Neither Muhammad nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but rather to confirm and renew it.1

Despite all the convincing points I gave you regarding the dissenting voices from the Quran concerning the crucifying of our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross, plus the oneness of voices of Christians regarding the crucifixion of our Lord on the cross, you are still engaging on your urban legends, ain't no problem, you are free to believe your belief!

miiraaj: Which Jesus? The one eyed lord?

There is no need engaging you in a pointless slanging match, I have tried to pass the necessary message of LIFE to you God sees my heart, as for the blasphemous word from you to the Prince of Peace, trust me you may likely encounter him tonight because he is the 'LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH' and when he visits just yield to him willingly, HEAVEN is REAL, HELL is REAL!
BOTTOM LINE: ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST INTO YOUR LIFE NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE, YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS ARE DOING THAT IN THEIR MILLIONS WHY NOT YOU?

miiraaj: I am the one sent to show you the WAY. Please,don't allow you christians to lead you astray. Because the imaginery jesus you worship is not God and was never sent by God. Open your eyes,read about you religion,clear your minds and embrace the truth. Its never too late to accept Islam.
http://archive.org/download/TheArrivalsRevised/TheArrivalsPt.36theStoryOfJesus_512kb.mp4

No wonder you lie 5 times a day, 35 times a week, 140 times a month and 1680 times a year! Men, this is sad, indeed Boko Harams, Al-Qaedas, and all your other terrorist groups are even more faithful than you (because they are really the ones practicing what Islam preaches) demented bigots, what a pity! REPENT and EMBRACE JESUS CHRIST before it is too LATE!

For the records IV;
The Jewish and Christian Bibles were written by "inspired men of God" who immediately committed God's Word to writing. Islam doesn't even have either an original or inspired Qur'an. The Muslim Qur'an was made up supposedly from "memory" from those who supposedly committed the words of Muhammad to memory, and from a few scraps found under a bed. This was originally begun about 15-20 years after Muhammad died at his wife Aisha's home in Medina, and he was lowered into a hole in the ground, where he remains. The compilation was not finished until at least 150 years after Muhammad's death. This "hearsay" argument seriously brings the credibility of the Qur'an into question.

anataala: he will certainly die after his 2nd coming
http://www.aolnews.c...cholar/19530666

Little Evidence Jesus Died on a Cross, Says Scholar

(June 27) -- The crucifix is the defining symbol of Christianity, a constant reminder to the faithful of the sacrifice and suffering endured by Jesus Christ for humanity. But an extensive study of ancient texts by a Swedish pastor and academic has revealed that Jesus may not have died on a cross, but instead been put to death on another gruesome execution device.

Gunnar Samuelsson -- a theologian at the University of Gothenburg and author of a 400-page thesis on crucifixion in antiquity -- doesn't doubt that Jesus died on Calvary hill. But he argues that the New Testament is in fact far more ambiguous about the exact method of the Messiah's execution than many Christians are aware.

"When the Gospels refer to the death of Jesus, they just say that he was forced to carry a "stauros" out to Calvary," he told AOL News. Many scholars have interpreted that ancient Greek noun as meaning "cross," and the verb derived from it, "anastauroun," as implying crucifixion. But during his three-and-a-half-year study of texts from around 800 BC to the end of the first century AD, Samuelsson realized the words had more than one defined meaning.

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This iconic image of Christ dying on the cross may be misleading, according to theologian Gunnar Samuelsson, who says crucifixion was more rare than commonly thought.
"'Stauros' is actually used to describe a lot of different poles and execution devices," he says. "So the device described in the Gospels could have been a cross, but it could also have been a spiked pole, or a tree trunk, or something entirely different." In turn, "anastauroun" was used to signify everything from the act of "raising hands to suspending a musical instrument."

The manner in which Jesus died is further thrown into question by Samuelsson's discovery that crucifixion may have been an unusual form of punishment in the Roman Empire. Descriptions of crucifixions contained in the thousands of Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin and Greek manuscripts he examined most commonly referred to dead prisoners being placed on some form of suspension device, or living captives skewered on stakes. The first century Roman philosopher Seneca the Younger, for example, wrote about seeing a great many prisoners of war on "crosses" after one campaign. But the scribe then describes how a large number of the dead had been impaled.

"If you search for ancient texts that specifically mention the act of crucifixion [as we understand it today]" he says, "you will end up with only two or three examples."

That revelation stands in stark contrast to claims that appear in many books on the historical Jesus, as well as more general surveys of life under Roman rule, which state that prisoners were routinely nailed to crosses. (The Encylopaedia Britannica, for example, says crucifixion was an "important method of capital punishment" in Rome.)

Of course, this lack of hard evidence doesn't mean that the Roman Empire was a crucifix-free zone. Samuelsson suspects that crucifixion was simply one of a great many methods of execution employed across the empire. He notes that Flavius Josephus -- a Jewish historian and adviser to three Roman emperors in the 1st century -- recorded how Roman soldiers were allowed to use their "wicked minds in various ways to execute" prisoners captured during a Jewish uprising. This suggests that the method of Jesus' execution may have been decided by legionnaires stationed at Calvary, and not by the state.

"If we put this on the table, and think that the execution of Jesus was the result of the wicked mind of the soldiers at that very point, we can't know how he could have been executed," Samuelsson says. "The executions of that day could have taken a completely different form from ones the day before."

The Swedish scholar isn't sure exactly why the crucifix went on to become the dominant Christian motif. But this symbol only seems to have become fixed in followers' minds long after Jesus' death, as the first T and X shaped crucifixes appear in Christian manuscripts around the 2nd century AD.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Samuelsson's thesis has caused something of an unheavenly row. While fellow theologians have complimented his highly detailed research, many critics in the blogosphere have claimed that he wants to undermine Christianity. Samuelsson -- who believes that "the man who walked this earth was the Son of God, and that he will return to judge the living and the dead" -- says this accusation is simply "stupid."

"I'm really just a boring, conservative pastor and I start everyday reading the New Testament," he says. "But my suggestion is that we should read the text as it is, not as we think it is."

Go straight to your point and tell me what you believed about Our Lord Jesus Christ and stop all these rigmaroles!

anataala: Christian scholar claims Jesus didn't die on the cross
And then urges us all not to get "emotional" about the "evidence"

Jesus did not die on cross, says scholar
"Jesus may not have died nailed to the cross because there is no evidence that the Romans crucified prisoners two thousand years ago, a scholar has claimed. The legend of his execution is based on the traditions of the Christian church and artistic illustrations rather than antique texts, according to theologian Gunnar Samuelsson. He claims the Bible has been misinterpreted as there are no explicit references the use of nails or to crucifixion - only that Jesus bore a "staurus" towards Calvary which is not necessarily a cross but can also mean a "pole". Mr Samuelsson, a committed Christian himself, admitted his claims are so close to the heart of his faith that it is easy to react emotionally instead of logically."

Wel, the bible says "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced." (Zechariah 12:10). Psalm 22:16 describes it "For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. " And Isaiah 53:5 describes it again: "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed."

John 19:6 refers to the angry mob outside Pilate's house "As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him, they shouted, "Crucify! Crucify!" But Pilate answered, "You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him."

Mark 15:20 ... Then they led him out to crucify him. .... ... And they led him out to crucify him. ...Luke 23:33 "And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left."

The method of execution defined as "Crucifixion is an ancient method of painful execution in which the condemned person is tied or nailed to a large wooden cross (of various shapes) and left to hang until dead. The term comes from the Latin crucifixio ("fixed to a cross", from the prefix cruci-, "cross", + verb figere, "fix or bind fast".) Crucifixion was in use particularly among the Persians, Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD." Wikipedia

Why man needs to search outside of the bible for "proof" when all the proof one needs as to its own veracity is beyond me. Why a 'scholar' who claims Christ would deny His manner of death though it is clear in the bible is beyond me to understand. Except, that the bible proves itself again, where Luke said "Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved."

That scholar is "always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;" (2 Tim 3:7-. The folly of those who search for proof of the bible outside of the bible and when they fail to find it, are at risk of the devil taking the word out of their hearts. I feel sorry for Mr Samuelsson. He is missing out on the perfect peace that passes all understanding. Always searching for something that he will never find is extremely exhausting, when, all along, he could have peace in the TRUTH.
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Islam’s proof that Jesus did not die on the Cross

Most religions that are non-Christian do accept the fact that if the Bible writes that Christ died on the cross, he actually did. There are a few with very apparent reasons that want to change this. Bahai’s spiritualize the meaning and in so doing change the facts. Islam denies the account so absolutely that they just chalk the whole story up to corruption and reinvent it. Ignoring the fact that these accounts are written by eyewitnesses of not only his death, but many more of his resurrection. Some of who would be classified as hostile witnesses.

Muslim Claim – They took another in his place. Everyone knew this was Jesus he was on trial in front of the Jews when they cried out to crucify him! He was then taken to be given 39 lashes (40 –1 as mercy). When the centurion in charge determined that the prisoner is near death, the beating is finally stopped, then they are taken to crucifixion. Most did not survive the whipping. Jesus if alive, would never have allowed another to take his place when it was his mission to take ours. Only he could die in the place of sinful man. What the Muslims are saying is that this is a sham, he purposely deceived the Romans, his brethren, as well as us today. Hardly a tenable position to hold for a man called upright and sinless even in the Koran.

Muslim Claim- They broke the legs of the other two who were crucified with him, but did not do so to Jesus, because he looked as if he was dead, so instead of going through all the trouble he pierced him with a spear, and blood gushed out showing a sign of life.

Any doctor will tell you this is not sign of life. Jn.19:33-34 tells us he was thrusted by a sword after he was pronounced dead by the Roman guard who was trained in crucifixion's. If one is to be punished by this means it was unto the death, the Romans were experts at crucifixion's. It states in John 19:35"And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe." Blood and water came out from his side after. This is proven medically that he had a ruptured heart. When watery fluid from the sac surrounding the heart and blood from the interior of the heart is ruptured, fluid in the pericardium shows death, not life. Romans don’t bury live people, but dead ones. He was to them a criminal and needed to be punished by Roman law, to neglect this is disobedience to their laws and the centurion would be punished.

Muslim Claim- the sign of Jonas: Matthew 12:38-30 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth. It is not that he entered the whale's belly dead and came out of it alive; his sign was that he entered the whale's belly alive, remained there alive, and came out of there alive.

This may be the Sunday school story but not the Bibles. Jonah was very dead and resurrected. This is the point Jesus is making. Jonah 2:2 "out of the belly of Sheol" is not the whales belly because this is after 3 days. The Hebrew word for belly is different than the belly of the fish indicating two different areas. This is the place of departed spirits the only way to get there is to die. The focus of the story is not existing 3 days alive in a fish but someone coming back from the dead. This is the very point Jesus is making, he raised others and he will raise himself. This he says will be the last sign to an unbelieving Israel the sign of Jonah.

Muslim Claim -There proof from the scripture. Heb.5:7-9 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.9And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him," To a Muslim this is proof that he did not die, because he was saved from death. But it does not mean the death of the cross, because the very same book declares Heb.2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone." Notice they use the parts of the scripture to try to prove the Christian (and bible) is wrong, but ignore the whole of Scripture and the testimony of the WHOLE New Testament Jn.12:27.

The fact is that he did die, so when would this have occurred? It points to the fact of Ps.22:19-22 and Isa.53:5 "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed." 6 "We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all."7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth." The lamb slain, the Passover lamb.

I can't figure out the points you are trying to drive at but what do you make out from this? Did Jesus Die or Not? Surah 3:144 is quite adamant that all messengers died before Muhammad. But then Surah 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?) and 4:157 falsely says Jesus did not die.
- In Surah 4:157 we read that Jesus certainly did not die, yet in Surah 19:33 we read that not only did he die, but he arose again! 19:33 reads about Jesus: "And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."

That fake guy (Ohakim) really fleeced Imo State, thank God for the timely arrival of Rochas Okoroacha, by know Imo State would have been brought down on her knees for real