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AntiChristian:
A Parable is a short fictitious story that shows a moral attitude or a religious principle.

So you can see that the story in every parable is fictional. It's always the imaginative invention of the narrator to illustrate a moral truth or any other truth in life


It's the message in the parable that's the most mportant thing. I already mentioned that the truth in that parable is timeless and transcend Christianity.



Parables can be liken to idioms. If I tell you , for instance, that it rained cats and dogs yesterday in my area, you understand cats and dogs didn't actually fall from the sky , but that it rained heavily.

It's only an illiterate ,who doesn't understand what an idiomatic expression is, that would accuse me of falsehood in that instance.

I understand why you continue to drag this matter. Your Op seek to establish that the narrator of the parable of the mustard seed used deliberate falsehood to mislead his audience, or that he doesn't have the correct information about the mustard plant

But it's you who doesn't know the difference between a parable and a true story, or you know ,but just want to pretend because of the Op.

Just rest.

AntiChristian:
So falsehood can be permitted in Parables?

What's the definition for a parable?

Please answer that first. You have refused to answer that question in a thread you yourself created to discuss it. Very strange.

AntiChristian:
A Parable should still be be concise and correct! What if He had said ..."One of the smallest common seed...." And saying Mustard tree grows into a tall tree that supports birds nesting is another "lamba".

No. That's why it's called a parable, a fictional tale. It's not meant to reflect the real world as it is.

The message behind the fictional story should be your focus and not the fiction in it.

You can only find fault if the narrator were recounting a true life experience, but in this instance he wasn't.

The "certain man" who planted the mustard in his garden, is a fictional character. He doesn't exist. The garden also doesn't exist. But you're only focus on the description of the mustard seed and want it to real.
Why?

Lol,

Another failed attempt at damage control after been found out.

Can anyone explain this,

A nairalander ,who's not insane, has reasoned that the best place and way to respond to a question asked in one thread is to take it to another unrelated thread , here, with the excuse of an history that should be forgotten.

And what was this history, a quarrell ,which he dug out first and expressed bitterness over as if it just happened yesterday, and then wait until the next day to answer the question that he was originally asked and expect me to be believe he is being sincere and honest?

What difference would it make if the question was responded to in the place where it was originally asked.

Wow! Notin person nor go see 4 Nairaland.

Not going to quote any pretender.

But some people have mastered the art of lying to themselves. No shame

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of formulating opinions in your head and attaching it to JWs why not ask us?

Well we do respond to any form of greetings by saying "Thank you"

I don't need to ask you to know that JW don't respond to New year wishes like others.

Thank you is not the normal response , but either ",I wish you same or Happy New year".

You don't respond like others do, due to what you believe about the celebration, and people like me respect you for that.

But if you're always at the receiving end and always responding with "thank you" "thank you" and never for once wishing others Happy New year first or replying with the expected response, it wouldn't be long before others around you start sensing you're different and may just understand that you're trying to separate yourself from the celebration , but just want to play along for acceptance

Is that not true? Or do your group now join in the New year celebration.

Of course, I know that as individuals some JW could wish others Happy New year, but it's not sanctioned by your organisation. My sister is a witness so I can confirm that.

The person I directed that question to , understand what I was driving at. It wasn't meant really meant to disparage JW in anyway, so don't take it personal.

Thank you

budaatum:
Triple! You should not make up imaginary things to believe. I don't avoid you. Would love to know what you suspect though.

If you like call this verbiage as you usually do and tell me you didn't read it. I know you very well.

But I will be using the above quoted comments of yours to show something you want to deny.

You have quoted me here on this thread after several months with this,"+1 ".

At first,its significance wasn't clear to me. It was only when you failed to immediately respond to my New year wishes , that it started to dawn on me there was some ulterior motive behind it all; you were trying to pick up from where you stopped in another thread by indirectly drawing my attention there

To clear any doubts and be sure of this, I decided to use the opportunity of asking why you failed to respond to my New year wishes. I was certain that your response would confirm things for me. And it worked.

Initially , you wanted to hide and pretend that it wasn't the case. But if you go back to what you said up there you could see your initial attempt to pretend and deny the very obvious, You said that I shouldn't not be imagining things and believing it, meaning that your motives were pure and not what I was thinking.

But you were engaged in bold face lie because when I replied that we should forget it, the next thing was you quoting me immediately in the exact thread I was suspecting you were trying to draw my attention to, the "Mind and Matter" thread

What sort of behaviour is that?

Yet , you're now accusing me of lying and trying to induce you into a fight, whereas you have been secretly stalking me for months to look for an opportunity to use my comment on this board against me, after you declared you were done with me and not ever for once after then quoting me. But you failed woefully, as you have been found out.

Such pettiness and childish behaviour coming from a very pained individual who is unwilling to swallow the hate speeches, in the form of unrestrained use of sarcasm and innuendos, he takes delight in dishing out others under the delusionof having superior knowledge.

If you think what I discussed in the Mind and Matter thread is the same as someone here talking about demons, then you're very naive and ignorant.

OBEs and NDEs in case you don't know, I know you don't know, is currently being investigated by those in the main body of sciences, and not just individual scientists working on their own, to understand better the phenomenon ,so as to bring it into the realm of the exacting sciences for further investigation in order to established its reality different from what religious people are saying about it. I mentioned Aware11 and 111 in that thread, and they just released an update on their recent findings.

No member of the main body of the sciences anywhere as ever investigated demons or God to find out if they exist or not because such claims are regarded as supernatural claim not worthy of scientific investigation. But not so anymore for OBEs and NDEs. You still live in the past. That's it.


You say it was "a mistake to bring here" and discuss NDE whose true meaning you don't even know? , quoting my comments to another person here on this thread to indirectly make your point known to me? I didn't not miss that if you thought I did.

I have never said this to anyone here, not even offline, but you have pushed me to the wall, so Please stop quoting me as I don't want to be dragged into your negativity anymore.

If you like continue to do so. .No more response from me and not even from this reply.

I hope others, Lordreed, unknownunknown, in that other thread ,who have since moved on despite the heated conversation we all had, would read about your latest antics and judge for themselves.

You have shamelessly gone back to your stale vomit after several months. You don't want to let sleeping dogs lie

SMH

budaatum:
You must be tired of your fight with others and think you can entice buda into one.

Good luck with that.

And you quoted me after so many months to continue the fight you started months ago.

You just wait. I will address your nonsense later when I'm less busy.

budaatum:
That said, triple. I do not usually maintain conversations with individuals who need to lie to justify their positions as I do not tend to see the point of stating the obvious fact they must know they are lying.

Then ,What I was suspecting was true after all.

You have shamelessly gone back to your vomit after your " your time is up" declaration.

I will respond to your latest craziness later in the day
I have some job to do now.

budaatum:
Triple! You should not make up imaginary things to believe. I don't avoid you. Would love to know what you suspect though.

Then don't bother .

But are you now a JW that wouldn't want to respond to New wishes from those they consider unbelievers?

budaatum:
+1

You have not replied to my New year's wishes..

Your non response has made me to start imagining the reason you choose to qoute me after so many months that you avoided me or we avoided each other.

Anyway, your reply or non reply to this, would be a confirmation of what I'm suspecting. I just hope it's not.

Kobojunkiee:
Triplechoice, while I am not able to read those pages at this time, are you able to at least provide references to some examples of the direct records of Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita and how they directly connect to that which was taught by Jesus Christ? Also, recall that the teachings of Jesus Christ apply only as far as the House of Jacob is concerned. Did Krishna suggest that he is instead a deity to all or to some?

Then read only the one on ,"The world's sixteen crucified saviours". By keysey. Go to the exact page that explains the parallels between Krishna and Jesus and get the answers to all your questions. It wouldn't take you up to a hour's reading

Whether it applies to the house of Jacob or anything else shouldn't be your immediate focus, but to first solve the puzzle of the strange similarities that exist between the two saviours; why did the life of Jesus parallel that of Krishna.

If you were accused of plagiarism , you can't defend it in any law court by arguing that since the audience for whom your plagiarized work was directed to is not the same as the one you copied from, then you have no case to answer.

How do you judge somebody who reasons that way?

AntiChristian:
The Tower of Babel Genesis 11:1-9

11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

1.Was there truly a time when the whole world was speaking a language?
2. Can Crude Building with mortar, tar and brick ever reach heaven?
3. The speech ascribed to God was inappropriate. How can God come down and confuse their language when what they were trying to do was even impossible?

It seems this story never happened in reality or probably figurative!

You're correct. It never happened. There was never time the same language was spoken everywhere in the world.

But there's an underlying meaning to that fictional story. The ancients have their own way of teaching certain truths about life once they discovered them.

AntiChristian:
Thank you!
But it is agreed that the verse is a mistake. Orchid is a more commoner and smaller seed in Palestine at the time. Even the Mustard seed does not grow to trees for birds to nest on!

Yes, a mistake if the narrator was narrating a true story, but he was telling a parable, a fiction, in order to teach something. So he can't be accused of making a mistake.

Or do you have another definition for a parable?

A parable is a short fictional story that's meant to teach a moral truth or any other life lessons.

The fictional tale in the parable of the mustard seed shouldn't be used by anyone as a scientific guide in determining
the smallest seed in the world as the story is not meant to reflect the real world as it is.

This is something that can be easily understood by those who are familiar with imaginative literature, and this is exactly why I have asked previously for the meaning of a parable..


Parables are examples of allegories where animals are made to talk even when we know that's not possible.

The imaginative invention in a parable is actually meant to stimulate the imagination of the audience ,for whom it's directed to ,in order to reinforce in their minds the actual message behind the parable so they don't forget it easily.


It's obvious that the audience for the parable of the mustard seed were
mostly agrarians who cultivate such plant all the time , and for this it would impossible for them to easily forget what they were taught.

I'm not a Jesus worshipper, but I know that the parable of the mustard seed contains a truth that is timeless;
If you begin a project, don't be discouraged by how small you start. Keep faith and focus your attention unwavering on what you want to achieve and you will surely achieve it . That's the message.

It's a psychological fact that most people who attain great success in life are those who have great self belief and trust greatly that they would succeed in whatever they set out to accomplish, no matter where they begin from.

The Op is just chasing shadows and trying to divert people's attention from the real thing.

Instead of pushing for an extension, they should first demand to know the reason for the scarcity, and once that is known, they can then offer their own advice on how the problem can be solved.

If it's extending to July and the scarcity still persist, it would then mean another extension. That's nonsense.

We have never had this kind of problem in the past when this country changed its currency. Why now?

Why there's scarcity of new notes is the question they should be asking CBN and the banks on our behalf, and not pushing for an extension maybe for their own selfish interest.

100 days is more than enough for everyone to exchange their old notes for new ones, but CBN and the banks should ensure the new notes are available.

hotseat:
The problem is with the FG, the CBN and the banks and not just the CBN alone.



If all do their jobs appropriately, changing of bank notes shouldn't be such a huge problem.



Everything boils down to ineptitude, the usual Nigerian factor!



Nigeria is not and won't be the only country to change its bank notes!



Everything in Nigeria is upside down!



Tufia!

I think the real problem is the difficulty of knowing who to believe amomgs the three.

The Government and CBN have announced that they have given enough to the banks for distribution and that there shouldn't be any shortage of new notes.

But banks are still giving out old notes and if you ask them why, they tell you to forget what CBN has announced that they haven't been given enough.

For me I don't want any extension. This is not the first time this country is changing its currency and we never experienced what we're experiencing now.

I suspect there's some hoarding going on or other things that may be responsible that we are yet to know of.

There shouldn't be any extension so we know who is lying between CBN and the banks.

I don't see how any bank in this country , especially the ones still issuing out old notes,would continue to do so after the deadline.
And if they're unable to give their customers the new notes by next week Tuesday, then the banks and CBN would need to explain to Nigerians what has happened ,and then we would know the truth.

AntiChristian:
So in parables "smallest" becomes "smaller"?

Abeg!

Lol.

I expected you to have answered my question first instead of your usual emotional rant.

Again, what's a parable?

You must not respond to the question if you don't want to. Others can do that, so we can use it to know if the Op makes any sense.

What's a parable?

It's important to know that first

MaxInDHouse:
All my children are JWs and my little grandson is even tougher than me when talking about FAITH!

It's obvious you don't have critical thinking skills but if you feel you do let's ask each other thought provoking questions and see who will easily agree to pick up weapons due to failure to make peace!

You succeeded in brainwashing them. Very unfortunate. I know one day, as it often happens, some of them would come out if it


For your challenge, you're not in a position to challenge anyone to any debate. Your thoughts are in a muddle. You hardly make sense.

What you're good at is name calling and insults and I am not ready to engage you on that.
Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:
What's the difference between a fraudster and an armed robber that comes with weapons to attack you?

Well the fraudster only still your money while hiding his real intentions but the armed robber comes face to face and battle prepared to get what he wants at all cost. If the armed robber finds your daughter, wife or mom attractive he will rape her while you'll be asked to face the wall or worse still given a fan to blow him while getting down with your daughter, wife or mom.

Now tell me is there really a difference or not?

See how you displayed your critical faculty skills here.

He is talking about the action of rapimg which can be done with or without a weapon, and not the different kinds of people that can rape others.

While a fraudster may succeed in defrauding others without carrying a gun ,an armed
robber wouldn't not attempt to rob you without threatening you with what they're harmed with.

A rapist may succeed whether they're harmed or not

MaxInDHouse:
The problem with atheists is lack of critical thinking skills!

You only face one side instead of meditating on what's coming from all sides. JWs are an organized people from different races throughout the world and there are many of such groups of people and it humans like you and i that's issuing orders to this groups.

Instead of capitalizing on what a terror group does why not think of their leader and what exactly is influencing his thoughts?
Getting weapons to counter them is one thing but that won't get to the root of the evil rather it will worsen matters. After the leader of a group has been gunned down each member that escaped will start thinking of what he will accumulate if only he could brainwash another group of people to follow him.
That's exactly what JWs are destroying with our preaching and teaching campaign!

As an ex military personnel if not for what the JWs has done with my thoughts i could have intelligently gather young men and women and start a revolutionary group against those oppressing the people. Note that revolutionists aren't doing what is backed up by the law so anyone that comes to join the group will be welcomed: thieves, murderers, fraudsters, homosexuals, lesbians, rapists, pedophiles, hired killers, drunkards, witches, wizards just name it as long as they recognize the headship of the one issuing them orders their commander's only interest is to unseat the incumbent ruler. It's after they've gained power that they will now start thinking of how to present their group to the masses as a friend of the oppressed. That's when they begin making rules that was never part of the plan from onset.

So i know exactly what influences the groups you're calling rapists and terrorists, it's all about seizing power to dominate the less privileged. Jehovah's Witnesses reaches the hearts of people with the Good News of God's Kingdom and with that many become hopeful of a brighter future when all evildoers will be done away with for good {Psalms 37:7-11} any who accepts our teaching can't be motivated into carrying weapons in support of any politician. That's why Vladimir Putin banned our group in Russia, he realized that with the JWs his moves to make Russians fight to broaden his territories and sustain his government will be jeopardized.

Ọmọ no be ṣeré ṣeré if we are to talk about this matter i will school all of you thinking you're wise when you're actually foolish with your irrational thinking expecting everyone to become anxious like you whereas it will only lead to more and more killings! Proverbs 14:12

Accusing others of lacking critical faculty skills ,and then go on to immediately demonstrate that you lack the capacity to think critically yourself.

What an irony!

Mr critical faculty, so you're not aware that one doesn't need to belong to a terror group to own a gun and start using it to terrorise others?
And who tells you that without JW preaching, non members wouldn't have the sense on what to do about living in harmony with their neighbors?

Is it JW that has preached to somebody like me and others too who don't own a gun or intend to own one to hurt others?

So sad the extent to which your group has brainwashed you to make you strongly believe that you're the only ones that have solution the problems of the world.

You're living in a fantasy world. It's about time you came out of it and start living in the real world.

Poor education and religious indoctrination is brain damaging. I pray your children don't follow your footsteps.

jaephoenix:
Its his version of gaslighting. Unless you're new here, you'll know it's his Modus Operandi. So don't sweat it. Flow along with him

I know Maximus for long here It's not just gaslighting.

He is a pathological liar who is not even aware he is lying, and would never admit when you point out his lies to him .

He just lied that the op is different from what it's.

MaxInDHouse:
The OP is all about God and His son which should help people to have love joy and PEACE among themselves.
So if your argument is purposeless then you're not in your right senses as far as this thread is concerned!

No. You're confused. The op centers on the reason behind the Tales of Virgin births which predates that of Jesus.

Well, I'm not surprised. You have the habit of interpreting differently things that are very obvious to everyone

You see black and call it White.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're with your right senses you should know that each group is following orders from someone what we're saying is that leadership is the problem and Jesus is the best leader if all of us can follow him.

Quit the name calling and focus on the discussion at hand.

You have not made any sense with the above but just rambled waywardly.

It doesn't matter from who those groups take orders from . If you run into them ,they would do to you what they like, and your attempt to preach or offer them any of your Awake magazines would only incur their wrath the more.

So what are talking about?

You and your group are living in denial of reality with that your nonsense talk of removing weapons from the minds of people.
Go to Sambisa forest or any kidnappers hideout to do that and let's see if you survive it.

Members of the armed forces and other security agencies are sacrificing their lives everyday to ensure criminal elements don't overun this country.

But you and your group have decided to bury your head in the sand, pretending not to know what is happening of how others have been sacrificing their lives nearly everyday on your behalf to secure the country.

MaxInDHouse:
Try to make sense by having a purpose when chatting with people at least to make people do something that will go round not just arguing blindly simply because you feel high!

L

If only you had stuck to your Op, we wouldn't have arrived here.

You brought the confusion, not me. So blame yourself for that

MaxInDHouse:
At least 8,000,000 will never raise weapons against anyone again due to what i know!

But those who still use weapons in the armed forces and other security agencies are using it to protect you and your other members from Boko Haram and other groups seeking to harm or kidnap you in different parts of the country .

Have you ever thought of that?

Kobojunkie:
Can you please provide at least a reference for this abeg! What are some of those sayings that were repeated by Jesus Christ ?

Here below,

1. The world's sixteen crucified savours. Escondido book three. By Kersey

2. Bible Myths and their parallels in other rellgion. Dianne, TW.

3. From Jesus to Christ. The Origins of the New testament images of Jesus. Fredriksen, Paula.

Please read them and let me know what you think.

Before then ,let me leave you with this,
Krishna just like Jesus , also proclaimed, "I am the resurrection and the way to the Father"

Modified. I'm adding this to the list since you're eager to know the truth.

4.The Christ conspiracy. The greatest story ever sold.

MaxInDHouse:
OK so you know i'm your OGA but stupidly jumped into my thread to spew gibberish, i thought atheists have some brains in their skulls.
Next time you see my thread know that there's a purpose why Maximus start a discussion and it's nothing more than the same reason why JWs come to knock on people's doors:

How do we achieve peace in our society as humans?

So don't you ever jump into my thread without thinking deeply, i'm not one of your professors who only gather to argue endlessly for fun!

If you really know the meaning of the word gibberish, then you would be in a better position to judge between the two of us who has been spewing nonsense.

You're derailing from your Op already and you don't even know it, but fuming about not having brains.


I'm not an atheist. I have told you that several times before. Not everyone who disagree with you is an atheist.
And besides you're not more intelligent than most atheist ,so don't brag and try to praise yourself.

If you have brains in your skull to think better than atheist, it would be easily seen by others who read you comments, and not you saying so.

Good day Oga Maximus .you're free to insult anyone who disagree with you each time you go about knocking on people's door like a wolve in sheep's clothing. I'm sure that's what you do from your behaviour here.

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry my manners!



If what makes sense to you can't erase the use of weapons in the hearts of neighbours then of what purpose are you coming here to argue?
Because each person can use whatever he knows to make personal gains for himself so i think your argument is worthless if it doesn't carry people along to live peacefully.
No matter what you think you've achieved PEACE is supposed to be your number one priority because without peace you're worthless as your life can be taken within seconds by your neighbour living next to you!

You have turned the conversation on its head. Our main discussion was not about what makes sense to me.

And, how do you know peace is not my priority?

Oga Maximus, just rest. I don't think you have anything else to say concerning what we were discussing before now.

Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:
I love that statement:
"the only thing that makes sense"

Please use any other thing that makes sense to you remove weapons from the hearts and minds of those who believe in the same thing as you do! Isaiah 2:4

There's a difference between the statements, "the only thing that makes sense", and "the only thing that makes sense to YOU"

You have shamelessly edited my comment by removing the phrase, "to you" ,thinking you can deceive others, but you failed.

And also ,We were not discussing how to remove weapons from the hearts and minds of anyone.

You have started to deflect as you usually do here.

Aemmyjah:
This one does not even know what he's saying
Language evolved from grunts and noises? Very shallow reasoning

what do you know?



Please stick to you Bible stories because that's the only thing that makes sense to you.

MaxInDHouse:
Satan accused the entire human race that none of us will remain loyal to God under test {Job 1:11} from Satan's point of view humans are keeping our integrity because we're undisturbed. God permitted him and faithful humans like Job has proved Satan a LIAR. That's why God allowed all these in the past.


There are two parts of humans Jesus mentioned when talking about death: body and soul {Matt 10:28} it's the body we need to recognize someone we know but God doesn't need the person's body because he formed a body for Adam from the dust of the earth so all He needs is the character stored in His memory book! Rev 20:15 compare to Mal 3:16
As for the language remember it's this same person who confused the language of the inhabitants of the earth {Gen 11:9} He has promised to restore all back to one language when He our sins are forgiven! Zephaniah 3:9



Houses will be built to accommodate them! Isai 65:21

By then the News we will be hearing is about a resurrected person claiming he is either Jonah, David, Samson, Abel, Enoch, Daniel, Jeremiah or John the baptist because the houses they'll see and the technological advancement will amaze them so we have to help them know what has happened in the past thousands of years after they died! Daniel 12:13

It's just a pity that you don't know you're asking one of the real disciples of Christ (JWs) sent to preach the Good News to you. Act 1:8
Now you can ask whatever question that comes to your mind the answers are right there in your copy of the Bible!

The summary of everything you have said up there, is that Satan is working for God. God is using him, going by the story of Job.
Satan is God right hand man. God allowed everything to happen. He gave permission to Satan to fabricate story to deceive humans.

God is complicit in the whole thing..So why blame the demons alone


As for God changing human language, I don't think you know what you're saying.

The tower of Babel was a myth. It never happened.

Human language evolved from the grunts and noises made by our primtive forbears. It has nothing to do with God giving it to us or changing it as he pleases


It's only the uneducated and Christian sheepees that would accept what you just explained about human language..