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TenQ:
If you have no courtesy to reply to my questions, why do you think I should respond to yours

What is this ?



Where is the lack of courtesy.?

Your number 4 questions talks about evolution which has nothing to do with the ongoing conversation . Why should I answer it at this time when we are yet to finish with the business of describing soul and spirit

And even the DNA stuff . What has that got to do with spirit and soul .

I was the one that ask first . You didn't answer directly to my questions yet you accuse me of lacking courtesy . Oh

TenQ:
1. First and foremost, I am a Christian and all my doctrines is from the Bible. I trust with my life the messages and information in the bathroom Bible.
2. The Bible is a book of History, Teaching, Admonition, Warning, Encouragement and not a book of Science and Philosophy
3. As a Rational being, I sometimes attempt to comprehend spiritual truths from the Bible with physical things for ease of understanding.
4. I therefore use Philosophy, Logic and Science as a Natural tool to aid understanding of the spiritual.
5. The summary is that I believe in the existence of a higher Dimension of invisible space with invisible beings where God, Angels, Demons have their domain



1. The Bible teaches so
2. I have a little privilege of casting out demons from a few people as described in the Bible using the name and power of Christ and have the same kind of manifestations as shown in the Bible.

Of course just as it is mundane to ask for the colour of electrons (I've never seen one), don't ask me for the physical description of demons.

A spirit is a non physical being!


The Person I call I, ME or MYSELF is not my physical body. You can surgically modify my body and I know that I would still keep my Identity as ME!

This is what is called my SOUL. My Personal Identity (my Soul) is defined by the three expressions of Emotion, Will and Intellect.


The Soul is the Personal or Internal Identity of any being. Goat A and Goat B are different identities even to themselves. They individually experience emotions, think and make decisions just like me.

Angels and Demons are each individually different and they all express emotions, they are intelligent and have abilities to express their will.


My spirit is the least appreciated part of Me because I live in the Physical Space and I survive in this space using more of my Soul and Spirit. My Spirit is that which communicate Faith as a settled knowing to me even when the odds is exceptionality at variance with the expectation.
My Conscience with the sense of Morality are from the senses of my spirit man communicated to my soul.

Other than this, at death when my physical body is shed. I still will have my identity complete with my spirit body until the day of resurrection.



The Soul Expresses:
1. EMOTION
2. WILL
3. INTELLECT

The mind is our Cognitive sence for thinking which consists of our Will and Intellect: a subset of the expression of the Soul.




I think I've answered you.

I have done a lot of electrical and electronics works, I have never personally seen nor weighed nor measured an electron in my life, yet I believe electrons exist! How? I have applied them in circuits.
Same with the Issue of Spirit, Soul and Body.

Good. So how did you come to accept ,just as you have done with 'electrical and electronics works ' that you have a spirit, through your own personal experience of working with your own body and the other parts of your invisible self ?

Or is the spirit and soul made of electrons

Let me ask you a question:
1. Do you think there is a strong parallel between an advanced AI robot and a human being?
2. If the above were correct, if you open up the memory of the advanced AI robot, would you find the computer programs and the associated data in it?
3. Do you think that the DNA is like a book of instruction that spells out every little detail about a being?
4. Do you think in this physical space, a system of computer code, it's compiler and the associated hardware can self evolve?

The above questions are not relevant to what I want you to explain . I think you want to deflect .

First if all ,describe everything you know about the soul and spirit to enable me see if it can be compared to an advanced AI.



An AI machine is something we can see or interact with physically . You have not demonstrated how we can interact with spirit or what it's , yet you want to compare it with an AI .

It doesn't make any sense .

Modified. I just noticed that you edited your reply . I will respond to your other explanations later

TenQ:
Let me attempt to simplify the description of the Mind


A man is made as a Trinity of a Body, Soul and Spirit.
Body:
The Body is the Physical representation of a man's being in the physical world. He is able to make physical changes to his environment and sense energies from his environment. In the physical realm, the Body is a Man's Physical Identity
The Spirit :
The Spirit is the Spiritual representation of a man's being in the spirit world. He is able to make spiritual changes to his environment and sense energies from this environment. In the spirit realm, the Spirit is a Man's Spiritual Identity
Soul:
The Soul is the Personal representation of a man's being to Himself. A man is able to Will, Think and Express Emotions with his soul. The man's Soul is His INTERNAL identity of I, ME or MYSELF.
The Soul interfaces with the Physical Body and the Spiritual Body of a man.

At Physical Death, the Body is disconnected from the Union of His Soul and Body.
At Physical Death, the Soul remains connected to the Spirit of the Person.


The Soul is akin to the SOFTWARE (Application Software and System Software/Operating System) of the Hardwares of the Body and his Spirit.

The Brain is akin to the Union of the CPU, GPU, ROM, RAM and HDD of a Computer System.

The MIND is the Union of the Faculty of INTELECT, WILL and MEMORY of an individual. It is a subset of the Soul

All Insects, Animals have a Body and a Soul.
All Angels Have a Soul and a Spirit Body
All Demons have a Soul and a Spirit Body
All Humans have a Spirit, Soul and a Body.

I have read the above a thousand times here on Nairaland , and find it not really describing anything one can make sense of.

The physical body is known ,but not much is known by everyone about the soul and especially the spirit you mentioned .


It's the human being we are talking about here ,and since you are that ,you would need to demonstrate using your own personal experiences to confirm all the things you have declared about soul,spirit and mind.

So here we go .

1. What is spirit and its exact nature . How did you arrive at the conclusion that you have a spirit that is different from your body ,mind and soul . Share an experience of yours alongside your explanation to prove your have a spirit .

2. How do you know that another aspect of yourself is soul. What experiences of yours has confirmed this for you ?

3. Furthermore, how do you know that animals ,Angels and demons have soul and spirit?

4 . And again, where is the spirit realm, and how do you function in that place as spirit while still occupying your physical body ?

5. Finally where is the mind located as subset of the soul .

There are more questions to come later ,but answer these ones first .

Please don't ignore what I have said . Your answers must be with reference to your own personal experiences ,if not ,it would mean you preached church doctrine alone and not facts .

Show me you have experienced what you have declared about the soul and spirit .

LordReed:
No doubt our knowledge of all the mechanisms of the mind is incomplete but all the evidence we currently have point in this direction. I await your specific objections, let's see what the knowledge base has to say about them.

The evidences we currently have doesnt point in the direction you imagined. You think so because you are viewing things from a strictly atheistic position and not able or willing to consider other possibilities .


Atheist materialist are the people mostly involved in a wrong interpretation of what has been discovered about the mind and brain . .


Present the evidences and let me show you how they do not point in the direction you think.

TenQ:
It seems the Mind (ability to store and process information) depends on feeling such as hunger, thirst, heat, fear , lust etc

These are feelings that are not registered in our biological frame (our body)..

First of all ,what is mind as you understand it. Most people are not sure of what it is .Let me know your own definition of mind ,or the one you subscribe to so I can be sure we are on the same page on the matter.


That aside, please permit me to present to you the model of consciousness I currently work with. It doesn't find full scientific yet, so you are free to accept it if it resonates with you ,or reject it if it doesn't .

The terms, mind and consciousness, are used interchangeably by most people to mean the same thing, but they do not actually refer to the same reality.

Consciousness is the non physical aspect of one's being, (one's true self) ,whose exact nature is not known and understood by most people , that has occupied a physical body to experience life materially.

While, the human mind is formed from what consciousness, 'the real person, has made of all the impressions received through the brain. .The mind can also be regarded as an inner mental construct which houses all thoughts generated by the being occupying the body ,as well as the thoughts received from other people .

Fascimiles of these thoughts when created or received are simultaneosly stored in the brain memory to enable easier retrieval when needed.

What most people are actually doing when they believe they are thinking is just rehashing thoughts which are already stored in mind in order to select the best ones to guide what they want to do or say. Only few persons are capable of really thinking in order to come up with innovative ideas.

The brain, which corresponds to the mind, is the device in the body, that helps to modulate the functions of the physical body. How it does this has been scientifically explained .

Without a brain ,consciousness, the owner of the body cannot manifest its intentions through it.



And because of the synergy which exists amongs consciousness, the mind and the observable physical brain to control objective behaviour, It's difficult to see any separation between the them

But they can be separated .

For instance, If the body desires food, it sends signals through the mind to the brain repeatedly until one is forced to act on it to move the physical body to go look for food.

We all can recollect those times in the past when an image of something; a place to visit or a food to eat it, is insistently flashed across the screen of our mind, without us being able to do anything to stop the thoughts. For some persons ,the signal manifest as a nudge to act on something .

Once this starts to happen, our brain, which is connected to mind, starts preparing the body for action . If it's sex ,we start to experience an erection . My apologies for the sex illustration .

When the consciousness within, the real person, that dwells in the body is not fully awaken to what is going on within itself , and is unable to pause to reason it out, whether to act or not
,it obeys like a zombie to move the body to go get the food , without giving much consideration to the fact it just finished eating that same food, and not even hungry yet.


The knowledge of what I just explained is the guiding principle behind all kinds of advertising, ,especially the insidious type of modern advertising that uses subliminal mesasges to get to one's mind in order to force you to buy something you don't even need. .

When we watch our favourite programme on television ,our brain is inundated at regular intervals with images from advertisers that are meant to control the things we will do later.

Understanding correctly what we truly are can only empower us to take control of our own lives so that other people don't influences us unduly and make us act in ways that are to our own detriment




.

This gives the impression that we have two bodies
1. The Physical Body:
Where we experience pain, tickle, brightness/sight, coldness, loudness etc
2. Non physical Body,:
Where we experience fear, joy, sadness, lust, despair, courage. etc


Of course, there can be overlap between the senses.

What is common to both is that they are not functions of thought, thinking or rationalising

They may have to do with our previous experiences sometimes: eg. Some certain PHOBIAS may be developed as a result of past experiences with snakes, dogs, darkness, water etc.

I can't make head nor tail of what you explained up there.


Overlap between what senses?



You need to revisit what you typed and make it very clear.
.

I think it is mundane to assume that the mind is just a function of chemicals reacting with cranial matters.

Who has said the mind is just a function of chemicals?, and how is that even explained ?

I don't agree to that .

Chemicals produce in the brain are most times the effects of what is going on within the mind .

TenQ:
It seems the Mind (ability to store and process information) depends on feeling such as hunger, thirst, heat, fear , lust etc

These are feelings that are not registered in our biological frame (our body).

This gives the impression that we have two bodies
1. The Physical Body:
Where we experience pain, tickle, brightness/sight, coldness, loudness etc
2. Non physical Body,:
Where we experience fear, joy, sadness, lust, despair, courage. etc

Of course, there can be overlap between the senses.

What is common to both is that they are not functions of thought, thinking or rationalising

They may have to do with our previous experiences sometimes: eg. Some certain PHOBIAS may be developed as a result of past experiences with snakes, dogs, darkness, water etc.


I think it is mundane to assume that the mind is just a function of chemicals reacting with cranial matters.

I will respond to this tomorrow

LordReed:
Na dia agbada don hook for nail. LoLz.

Your agbada is also hooked too .

You want to jest, yet, you have not been able to scientifically explain how mind has emerged from the brain, or clearly show how this 'mind ' interacts with the observable physical brain to control human behaviour



You still depend on the speculatory theory of some scientist to argue this.

LordReed:
On second thought I am not sure I need to write a treatise on this matter again since I already responded to it at length. Check out my responses to Deepsight from the following post onwards:
https://www.nairaland.com/6908566/boy-dead-20-minutes-what/5#109239457

I will take my time to respond to that. Don't want to rush it.

But in the meantime, I hope you are aware your explanations in that post doesnt have full scientific backing.

TenQ:
Move on bro!
Your understanding of "Emergent" was wrong even with your ChatGPT poster. I spelt it out for you.

Move on: it cost you nothing to do so!

No need for this kind of talk. Nobody knows it all. We can learn from each other as we continue to discuss the topic.

Since you created the thread, I advise you accommodate anything anyone has to contribute in order to keep the conversation going peacefully without quarrell.

LordReed:
I guess my explanation was incomplete but you guys seem to getting sidetracked by the omission, What is being conveyed, very succinctly, is wetness EMERGES, it is not an intrinsic property of water.

It was why I drew your attention to it so as to remove the confusion

LordReed:
For me the question is resolved by understanding that the mind emerges from the functioning of the body, there is no dualism at play here (as far as I am concerned). I think it is people who are trying to reconcile a dualistic view of mind and body that have the problem.

Before you start blaming anyone, first of all ,explain clearly how mind has emerged from the brain, and the other body parts you mentioned.


The claim that mind is an emergent property of brain function is based on Sperry's concept of mind.

It doesn't find full scientific support yet. It's speculatory theory at this point in time, and nothing more.

But you keep repeating it everywhere as fact, or something that has been conclusively proven to be true.

There is no general consensus in the sciences on how mind has emerged. Nobody knows or can explain it in the sciences

LordReed:
The point is, since you are getting lost in the weeds, wetness EMERGES, it is not an intrinsic property of any of the interacting components.

. You already made it clear initially that wetness' only emerges when molecules of water are interacting with one another. You are confusing us

LordReed:
So, get it straight, wetness EMERGES when molecules of water are acting in concert with one another, 'wetness does not exist in the molecules of water.

LordReed:
That is telling you that wetness EMERGES from interaction. It is not a property of water molecules themselves.

Added a chatgpt result for your consideration.

The ' chatgpt result' doesn't fully support your explanation.



If a surface is coated with grease, 'wetness' cannot emerge when water comes in contact with it, meaning that water on its own cannot emerge 'wetness'

G00DHardDick:
If cooking means a girl is logical, then you're even more dumber than I thought. I'm sure you don't know what being logical means, go and research on Russian scientists making robots and recently Elon musk just invented a robot acting as wife and artificial intelligency (these are what being logical means) of course, I don't expect you to understand this because you Nigeria girls are too daft to engage with. You think with your pussies more reason you thought cooking is logical.

You're just too da.ft to engage with. Let Hilda beca go and invent a robot or invent the cure for Cancer or even manufacture anything in existence, just like a little boy who manufactured a cooking gas and it went viral online (that's what being logical means). I understand this is above your IQ but try and stop fooling yoursef online by saying cooking is logical because you sound so dumb.

Are you for real ? Lol

You're mocking another person for something you are actually guilty of. You simply don't know what means to be a logical person.

A logical person is anyone who can critically analyse a problem or situation and come up with a reasonable solution.

You obviously don't know how to cook or what it takes to prepare a good meal hence you think it doesn't require much thinking.

Cooking a delicious meal for a large number of peoplel requires adequate planning and preparation for it to turn out right.

And anyone who has a plan before setting out to accomplish a task is being logical in their own way.

Hilda planned and made preparations for the cook-a-ton months beforehand .What she did before now was what made her to break the record yet, you say she's not a logical person?

Help yourself with a good online dictionary before criticising others for what you don't know.

Logical thinking doesn't mean inventing things like the Russian scientists or Elon musk you mentioned Anyone can be a logical thinker if they know how to use their brain in thinking correctly.

Thomasankara:
[/color] her father is just performing on the Average and tends to his cement store[color=#770077]

What do you want me to make of fact that the father sells cement?

And, what do you know about how they have been living their lives till now?

We both don't have the same definition of what it means to come from a poor home.

There are 'rich men' who are 'poor' and vice versa.

Thomasankara:
[/color]well done,its like u know much about her family [color=#770077]

Tell me what you know about her family.

I'm waiting

Gemma11:
She is from a poor home. Her mother still cooks with firewood in Abuja. Also during the press conference, the mother told about their humble beginnings where she was cooking in the bush when she started her food business.

And so, because of what you have just told us, you believe she must be a prostitute? Yes or know?


I don't think you know what it really means to come from a poor home.

There are rich people whose children are living almost as paupers, and vice versa.


And what's wrong in starting from an humble beginning?

Do you have evidence the mother is still cooking with fire wood in Abuja. She started cooking with fire doesn't mean she's still doing so.


I only expressed an opinion. You free to reject it and choose to believe what you want to believe.. I'm not stopping you.

AutoRedux:
Mugu.

Hilda na pure runs girl.

Your Papa.

Stupid generalisation from people who cannot think.


The young lady is not from a poor home. Morever, she has thriving business which doesn't give her enough time for herself , not to talk of other people

So why would she prostitute?,

Or do some persons assume prostitution is a hobby that girls go into just like that?

Some young ladies dress skimpily to draw attention to themselves and nothing more.

If you don't have close female friends, you wouldn't know this.

It's stupid to judge people by their appearance alone .

I call it 'SARS' mentality, If you carry bushy hair, iPhone, and laptop then, you must be an internet fraudstar.

if you don't know everything about a person what you conclude about them may not be the correct thing.

G00DHardDick:
All these ones ain't necessary.

She be prostitute abi she no be prostitute? Ur guess is as good as mine. She's just an olosho who needs world recognition.

You're confusing yourself.
You don't even know the meaning of the idiom, Your guess is as good as mine', if you knew, you wouldn't have used it and later conclude she's 'just an olosho'.

Be sure of the words you use to express yourself,,and also learn not to judge people by their appearance.

Myths are not annoying. It's the attitude of those who take them literal these days that is annoying.

The ancients who created the myths never meant for them to be taken literally


Myths were employed by our primitive forbears either to indirectly inculcate certain cultural values in the minds of children before they become adults, or used as stopgap explanation for natural phenomenon

Origin myths, for instance, were meant to teach that the world has a beginning.

In the sciences, we have 'myths' too. Scientists would sometimes come up with some explanation, which are not fully supported by facts, to temporarily explain a certain happening pending the time it would be fully understood and a more rational explanation provided



So, the focus when it comes to mythical stories should be on the lessons behind them or what they're meant for, and not just the surface meaning alone, if not ,we miss the point and end up not being different from those who take such fictional tale as true narrative of what actually happened in the past.


Modified. The 'myths' in the two popular Abrahamic religion ,Islam and Christianity are a misinterpretation of the mythical stories in Judaism. So one cannot really take them as myths in the true sense of the word

This is for the person who is ignorant of what's modern science

chieveboy:
You're still in the box I'm sorry. This tendency could be why Eckankar didn't work for you. It may be not. From the statement about having to "go through an academic setting" as requirement for belonging in your illusory 'body of science' or to be "trained to conduct research..." sums up the hight of this predilection to put it mildly.

Have you heard of the word 'autodidact' before? Have you heard of the man Nikola Tesla before? What about Thomas Edison? what about Einstein, do you know what age he taught himself algebra?

You don't need to bother yourself replying this. Your responses are now disordered due to your unnecessary prevarication and strawmaning. This reply will be in two parts, and after this ,no more from me. This is the first.


Your latest ranting above is another desperate attempt to blur the lines between trained scientists who have acquired ,from academic settings, the competence to conduct scientific research to advance knowledge, and individual self trained scientists who also have a role to play in the advancement of knowledge.

I have never said that the Teslas of this world should be disregarded or ignored as scientists because they have not acquired standard university education. I only tried to highlight the fact that ,unlike in the past, modern societies are structured to operate in a particular way. You must learn to fit in, no matter what you believe in or don't believe, or else you're on your own and find it difficult to survive. Even Paul Twitchell had to register Eckankar in keeping with US laws. So ,what are you talking about?


Trained scientists in academic settings are not the same as any other kind of scientists. The former currently enjoy certain support, privileges
and recognition whereverr they find themselves because it's believed they are serving humanity openly and not hiding.

You're comparing apples and oranges. They're both fruits, but not the same kind of fruit. You need to understand where I'm coming from so you don't continue to misrepresent me here.


I'm neither in support nor against any kind of scientists. I use what works very well from either because I know that there are alternative methods to validate truth, but this is not taught in regular schools.


How do you validate Eckankar truths?. You have been silent on that.


As for your assumption that it's because Eckankar failed me that's why I'm here on this thread, then you're mistaken. What would you say about a former living Eck master ,a former Eckankar president, RESA, and several other higher initiates from the fifth level and above ,who have all abandoned the path, is it because Eckankar failed them too? There's so much you still don't know about Eckankar. Ask questions from the right places, and compare it with what you are told . That's how to investigate anything to be sure.

The box you're thinking from is not allowing you see the paradox in how 'academic scientists' (who are your "main body of scientists" are organized to study what the other scientists who didn't go to school created. It's subtle, but not!

When was this your quasi statute made sef? Who did?

I'm not thinking from any box, and there's no paradox. What I explained above is clear enough .
You want to live in denial of the truth by pretending not to know what's currently happening around you so you can continue to believe.

What was invented in the past by the Teslas, Graham's, and others, have been greatly improved upon by modern scientists trained in universities. True or false?

You want to use what happened in a different era to judge what's obtainable in the present moment. It doesn't make sense.

Your statements are very revealing of your level of education.


The Wright brothers who succeeded in flying a plane for the first time never attended any university to study science. They were self trained. They succeeded because during their time in the US every kind of scientists had the freedom to experiment publicly , without much harassment from any regulating agency.

Imagine if it were now, would do you think would happen if the American government sees some persons experimenting with a flying object made of iron for the first time?

They will surely be arrested for trying to endanger their own lifes and those of the public.

You still live in the past and still think we're in the sixties.

You don't want anyone to investigate, question, or regulate what you present here, hence you have been trying to attack my personality and disparage well known scientific bodies or institutions that are set up to protect the public from pseudoscientist like you.

If you say, they're are your beliefs and not yet supported by science or scientifically proven, then no problem. Nobody will argue with you. But to lie it's exact science, is deceiving the public.

If Eckankar is true or exact science, why are you shielding it from public scrutiny?

You want people to take the risk, without proper investigation?

Science is science sir! Nothing like "main science" even if said metaphorically or otherwise. You only have a categorization and sub-categorizations of it as natural, social and so on, but of course!

No sir. 'Science is not science' There's pseudoscience and true science. Morever, Natural sciences( physics, chemistry and biology) are not the same as the social sciences. The former is more exacting than the later. A little Google search will confirm this for you.

Ok , forget the term,'main body of science', but at least you now understand what I have used it to refer to, and tell me what category will you place Eckankar science. Please be definite about this. If you say it's like physics ,or above it, then explain in detail how.

And,I hope you don't disappoint this time around because you haven't been able to directly answer to anything you have declared so far.

Stating that Eckankar is part of the natural sciences I repeat would be an understatement by me. It's actually the other way round. All natural sciences and others are actually parts of Eckankar, as in offshoots of Eckankar.

This is what I'm talking about. Empty words as usual.

I can paraphrase what you explained above and still come up with the same nonsense.

Here we go,

'All natural sciences and others are actually part of jugologu, as in offshoots of jugologu'

See what I mean?

You have actually been actually talking to yourself and your group members who only understand what you mean.

How exactly is physics and chemistry an offshoot of eckankar?

You haven't been able to correctly answer.

An understatement means I didn't make that statement glamorous enough, if 'selling' it as a natural science stirred the "defender of the realm" in you, where you would not have it simplified as that 'amiable' subject where people you "love" may fall for it, I am here saying all scientists are studying is Eckankar. I am saying Natural Sciences are Eckankar. I think this makes it juicier than before, so you may have more work at hand...

'defender of the realm' lol. It remains for you to use the other one, agent of Kal' or working for the Kal'

The irony in Eckankar is this , Eckankar will warn you of something other people can do to you, or label others as something bad to earn your trust to make you think they won't do it to you or they're not that thing they warned you of. And the next thing, they're doing to you what they warned you of , or they're actually the thing they call others.

Anyone who wants the public to use their head to investigate a path very well before they join it ,is not a 'defender of the realm', but a soul that seeks for the spiritual freedom of others.

A lot of persons are ensnared in different spiritual movements in the world today, and don't even know it because they're have been put to sleep.


I will stop for now so I don't give you much to read. I sense you don't take time to read everything hence your strawmans or misrepresentation of what I keep explaining.

Part two will come

And after then, I leave you. I'm not interested in opening a thread to discuss further.

Nigerians regard past leaders as 'past thieves'

JezB:
I keep seeing myself in the dream having a very long hair on my head. Sometimes the hair may be in thick locks like dreads or other times they may just be huge. I have been having this dream repeatedly and I don't know the meaning. I am a bit anxious because I want to know the meaning. I feel like it has a significant meaning that is why I keep dreaming about it. I have searched for the meaning on Google but they are different interpretations leaving me even more confused and worried.

PS: I don't imagine or fantasize about keeping dreads. I keep a low cut and I am comfortable with it.

You're the only one that can correctly decode the meaning of the dream.

Recurring dreams may be telling you that something you are currently involved in, or facing in life, has some similarity with what you have experienced in the past.

Your mind is reacting as if the current situation is the same as before. If you understand what the dream symbol (long hair or dreadlocks) mean personally for you, then you're closer to understanding the cause of the dream.



What do you associate dreadlocks with?


How do you regard or feel about people who carry long hair or dreads?

Answer the above question sincerely ,and don't be surprised that the next time you have the same dream you will wake up with the instinctive knowledge of what it means.

I'm tempted to interpret your dream because of the clue contained in your last statement, but won't do so since I don't know you personally.

And it's not good thing to allow strangers to interpret your dreams as they may use their own personal experience to do so and give you a wrong interpretation.

Kobojunkie:
1. Oh, I thought you meant you keep having dreams where you hear different lengths but the same dream. Check out what the dream foundation says about recurring dreams, and a recent scientific release on how recurring dreams have to do with fear of failure
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/09/health/recurring-dreams-meaning-cause-wellness/index.html

The article never said recurring dream as to do with fear of failure alone.

The dreamer is the only person in a better position to understand why they have a recurring dream.

exotique1fy:
Truth is relative to the observer. We will both look at truth and see different things. Perspective and context matters in issues referred to as truth.

Just like the truth that you're the same person who typed the above . Is that also relative?

exotique1fy:
You are welcome. It was given out of love

Thanks.
Love should support what's true

exotique1fy:
Give it a rest will you

Thanks for your unsolicited advice.

chieveboy:
There is no such a thing as "main body of science". There is no "box" as it where. It is a 'free-for-all' towards breaking new frontiers of knowledge. The box way of doing things is an illusion animated by Interest Groups who you may be referring to as "main body of science".

The expression, 'main body of scientist' is not the name of a specific scientific body which scientists everywhere belong to.

It refers to all trained scientists in academic settings, who have acquired the competence to conduct scientific research in order to advance knowledge in any of the main branches of the natural sciences, such as, physical science, life science, and earth science, and not just any individual scientists who is self trained and working on his own.


Social sciences and the other branches of the sciences , unlike the natural sciences, are not exacting in their results and because of this, are not regarded as the main science. Social scientists don't belong to the main sciences, but can combine with those in the main science like neuroscientist to investigate natural phenomenon in order to arrive at a definite conclusion.

You obviously don't know the difference between trained scientists in the natural sciences and the other kinds of scientists that exist, or you know, but had blurred the lines initially to mislead your followers by declaring falsely that Eckankar is part of the natural sciences, such as physics or chemistry, which are more exacting in their results.

Later, you backtracked after realising it won't work, and declared you only made and understatement. That's not how to understate something.


Yes, anyone can be a scientists in a sense, but the modern definition of a scientist, is what I already explained. You must have undergone a course of study in any of the branches of the sciences in either a University or research institute.

There's a ' box' in the sciences, whether main or social science. For instance, for you to belong to the Nigeria Medical Association, you must have earned it through your training and qualification. It's not an all comers affairs as you insinuated.


Singing you HU, soul travelling and calling on your spiritual master, Harold, will not gain you entry into any scientific body. You must be a trained scientists with an academic degree.



Eckankar teachings is classified as religious science ,and is no where near the exacting sciences, like physics, which gives definite results. It's deception to equate Eckankar with any of the natural sciences. You want your followers to place all their trust on something that's not as reliable as you present it. That's not good enough especially coming from someone who mentions the word, truth all the time.


If Eckankar science is exact, then Eck initiates, especially those of the fifth level and the above will be competent in conscious soul travel. Several higher initiates in Eckankar have not seen the light or hear the sound , not to talk of conscious soul travelling in the waking state.

Dream travel is the focus in Eckankar and since it's easy for anyone to dream, Eckankar can boast that its teachings are working very well. You don't need any dream master to understand your dream.

Dreams, for those who know the truth, is not a reliable means for knowing truth , or to have a real spiritual experience and growth.. It takes conscious soul travel to do that.

Unfortunately, Eckist are being shortchanged, but don't know it because Eckankar has misled them into thinking its teachings is the highest around and that no other one surpasses it.

You need to look outside Eckankar ' box' to know the truth.

Create a thread today. This one is for the supermen of the universes of God!

You will get your references. Good luck understanding them.

Lol. Empty boast again. You have not been able to provide any evidence for your claims, but unverified stories and more wild claims yet, you want me to open another thread so you continue with wayward dribbles that doesn't bring any result.

Keep your imaginary reference that only you can understand. This is not the first time you promised to provide references and end up not providing any.