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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 8:35am On Dec 22, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's a physician who knows the effectiveness of a drug that will prescribe it for the patient so the physician already knows what you need it's you (patient) that must BELIEVE (TRUST) the physician and not the other way around!

What of those who are receiving treatment while in coma ,how do they get to trust the physician they're not even aware of?

What of babies too? How does a baby know what it means to trust

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by triplechoice(m): 8:47pm On Dec 21, 2022*

AgentNairaland:
I've read where some female herbalists are involved in ritual acts, some are even caught with human parts

What you read somewhere about a female herbalist is not enough to label anyone who's an herbalist a voodoo practitioner or "ritualist" as you have called it.

The word, herbalist, has been so bastardized in these parts by some uninformed pastors, who have in their various churches brainwashed their congregation with the wrong thing, and also by local newspaper reporters, who should know better, but don't even bother to confirm the true identity of the culprit whose story they are reporting, before tagging them herbalist, thereby leaving the ignorant Nigerian public with the wrong impression that an herbalist is a witchcraft practitioner or "ritualist" .This is very wrong.

It's a known fact that most Nigerian newspapers and magazines are replete with all manner of grammatical blunders and wrong word usage; Nigerian English.

So one shouldn't depend on anyone of them for correct word usage or proper grammar.You would be taught the wrong thing.

Voodoo practitioners ( juju priests) in Nigeria and elsewhere who mostly use human body parts for money rituals, usually have as part of their training, the knowledge of certain herbs which they use, if the need arises, for the treatment and management of the illnesses of those who seek their help.They combine the two different practices as one.

This is why it's not uncommon to find a juju practitioner who also double as an herbalist.

But then, we have lots of trained herbalist everywhere who don't engage in any kind of malevolent voodoo or juju practices of any kind. Those ones, treat and manage the illnesses of those who consult them without combining it with any kind of. voodoo.

Unfortunately, average Nigerians have been miseducated to think that every herbalist must be a juju practitioner or "ritualist" as they like to call them.

I have at various times in the past encountered both those who combine juju with herbal practices and also those who specialised only on local herbs for the treatment and management of certain illnesses.

So ,I know the difference to know who to deal with and who to avoid among the two groups of practitioners.

Those who combine juju or voodoo, (they are the same thing) with herbal practices may unconsciously drag you into what you're not ready for.

During the height of the covid-19 pandemic, most Nigerians were combining different local herbal remedies, garlic, ginger, agbo, etc, to manage what the feared might by symptoms of the virus.

Does it mean then that everyone who did that was involved in juju or what we commonly call rituals?

Voodooism is not the same as herbalism. People should know the difference and stop the wrong tagging of those who are pure herbalist.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 10:01pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
LoLz. This is funny what is AI if not software and why would software not have plasticity when it can be infinitely adjusted. Unlike us biological organisms an AI would be functionally immortal. There is nothing that says AI would not change or adapt. I dunno what makes you say it is fixed.

Any of the current neural network based machine learning capable AI experiments already show that capability of adapting. Right now there are commercial available AI chatbots, the new fad all the banks are using now. Its practically the same code but it can be made to serve lots of different roles or communicate in different languages. Of course we are not at the point where the AI will rewrite its own code but its certainly not an impossibility.

Why do you think its an impossibility? What in science says AI cannot gain sentience?

So where would the consciousness come from in the first place for an AI to change its software by itself and become sentient? Or how would those software change on their own to enable sentience?

The artificial neural networks in modern AI's are not exactly the same as the one in the human brain. They don't form and dissolve exactly the same way.

The former is not flexible while the latter is.
What you're envisioning will never happen.

It's an impossibility for AI' to have sentience because they're machines without any form of life. Life has to be present first before any kind of sentience can happen. It's as simple as that.

There's no general consensus in the sciences where life or consciousness has emerged from. But you seem to be certain where it has emerged to be so sure that one day AI's would become sentient.

And just look at what you wrote up there. You said it's certainly not an impossibility that AI's can rewrite their own codes someday. Ha!

Honestly this is getting crazy

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 8:25pm On Dec 19, 2022*

LordReed:
I don't know what path or conditions will bring it about but I am certain it won't follow biological evolution simply because it is not biological. You seem to want to insist that it must be exactly like a biological organism when it clearly isn't.

It's you that's has not made it initially clear what path that it would take.

Now that you have said it wouldn't be biological, I am going to repeat what I already declared;
AI'S, if they wouldn't evolve biologically and become sentient, would only do so when cats start to talk suddenly.

Why do I say so?

The main mechanism which makes it possible for AI's to replicate human behaviour is fixed and can only change by human intervention.

This is unlike the human brain that can evolve or devolve naturally on its own due to plasticity.

So tell us , How can something that's fixed suddenly change into another thing on its own and start operating differently?

Or do you think someday cars would suddenly grow wings and start to fly?

I am not trying to mock you here, but it's what I can only make from all you have argued so far.

And untill you can show me a little of the science which has inspired what you're envisioning concerning AI's, I would continue to place all you have been saying in the same category as the popular rapture vision of some Pentecostal Christians. We know rapture won't happen . It's crazy talk.

Where's the science about what you think. Let's discuss that, so we stop assuming about what's possible or not possible.

I have already explained that it's an impossibility from a scientific point of view and even from some other position you can think of it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 5:13pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
I really don't see what it has to do with it honestly. AI evolution will not follow biological evolution especially in time scale.

You talk here as if you're sure of how AI evolution would happen.

If AI evolution will not follow biological evolution ,then what gives you the certainty that it would happen the way you think?

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 5:13pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
I really don't see what it has to do with it honestly. AI evolution will not follow biological evolution especially in time scale.

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 5:07pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
Ehh, how does making something evolve mean it didn't evolve?

I told you right now we can increase simulation time in our current day computers, it's not merely a storytelling device.

But we are talking of the possibility of AI's evolving on their own to confirm if life happened by chance from matter.

When we get involved directly in the process, what can we say then? chance or deliberate creation of something?

And no matter what you say about a simulated time, AI's becoming sentient can only happen in real time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 4:17pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
But the show made it somewhat clear that the subjective time of the AI can be much faster than real time. Even with our present day computers we can cause simulations to run at much more than real time. Meaning their evolution won't be as constrained by real time as ours was.

But it's the story teller that has created the much faster subjective time in the show .

Evolution in AI's should happen independently if not, we are creating something and no longer observing it evolve on their own.

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 3:34pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
@DeepSight, triplechoice, budaatum, TheSourcerer,

Have you seen the show Westworld? What do you think about it if you have? See it if you haven't, it's quite thought provoking.

Yea. I know about the show and also understand what in the sciences that has inspired it.

It's hoped that in the future AI's may suddenly become sentient or develop their own form of consciousness that would make it possible for an independent existence of their own.

My response to such vision is that it won't see the light of day. It can only happen when cats suddenly start to talk .

What happened in that show can never happen in real life because consciousness evolves ,not at once ,but with time.

It would be a negation of one of the principles of evolution if AI's suddenly become sentient as we saw in Westworld.

The best we can hope for in real life would be AI's that would replicate human behaviour so perfectly well that we may struggle to see any difference between them and a real human being.

Those futuristic AI's, when they become possible, will never be sentient no matter the level of technology used in their production.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Wrote About The Death And Burial Of Moses In Deautoronomy Chapter 34? by triplechoice(m): 1:09pm On Dec 14, 2022

Truvelisback:
Bro, It is Possible. Prophets can see/go into the past, the present and the future.

Lol.
You didn't take your time to read what I explained.

If the description of Moses death and burial was gotten through prophecy,other prophets and even Moses himself ,and not you, would have been the first to highlight it.

You're just speculating because you are in the dark as to who actually wrote what is contained in that Bible verse.

It doesn't make sense that Moses wrote about his death through prophecy.

For what reason?

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Wrote About The Death And Burial Of Moses In Deautoronomy Chapter 34? by triplechoice(m): 9:07am On Dec 14, 2022*

Truvelisback:
Are u trying to say that one cannot prophesy abt his death even b4 it happens?

I am not trying to say so.

Maybe my initial comment was difficult for you to make sense of .

Let me restate it again incase it wasn't too clear enough for you .

A prophecy of something that is yet to happen is not the same as the report of someone's death and burial that has already happened.

Modified. The description of Moses death and burial in Deuteronomy 34, was a report written in the past tense. It wasn't a prophectic declaration by Moses .
In the Bible, prophecy of something that a prophet is certain must happen is written with what is called the prophetic present perfect.
Take note of the verb phrases in the prophetic declarations below; "are gone into" "are famished", "he is passed" "shall shake" ","they have taken" etc, and compare them with the tenses in Deuteronomy 34 . You will find they are not the same.

This brief explanation above is how to determine in the Bible a prophecy which a prophet is certain must happen .
So , you can now see that Moses didn't prophesy about his death or knew about it before hand.

You would need to think of something else to explain what is described in Deuteronomy 34.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Wrote About The Death And Burial Of Moses In Deautoronomy Chapter 34? by triplechoice(m): 10:35pm On Dec 13, 2022

Truvelisback:
U are confusing urself.

Then highlight the confusion for all to see.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Wrote About The Death And Burial Of Moses In Deautoronomy Chapter 34? by triplechoice(m): 9:16pm On Dec 13, 2022

Truvelisback:
He could have done that before his death. Remember that he is a prophet. Prophets have the ability to see into the future.

Prophecy about one's own death that is yet to happen is not the same as writing about one's own death and burial as if it has already happened.

There are not the same thing if really think about it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Married Women Covering Their Face... by triplechoice(m): 7:20pm On Dec 13, 2022

AntiChristian:
O! So why am I arguing with you on religion when you don't believe in any?

Abeg no dey put your mouth in what doesn't concern you!

You're now trying to steer the conversation in another direction because you simply cannot present any reasonable argument why a married muslim woman should completely cover herself with hijab under the scorching sun.

I already told you the reason for "putting my mouth";

Wearing of hijab is part of your religious injunction and not the exercise of personal choice.

You want to mislead the public which I am part of.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Married Women Covering Their Face... by triplechoice(m): 6:43pm On Dec 13, 2022

AntiChristian:
You're right! Many must be dumb and inane to believe God could have sent his son to be murdered!

I am not part of what you want to drag me into.

Islam and christianity are both false religious constructs.

The fault you find in the other one, is also present in yours, but you're blind to it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Married Women Covering Their Face... by triplechoice(m): 6:21pm On Dec 13, 2022

AntiChristian:
And you get brain yourself now? What's your business with someone using the hijab?

As usual, another emotional outburst from you ,without rationally responding to anything I have said.

You don't know the difference between doing things by choice and acting under the influence of a religion.

It's not my business if your sisters are covering themselves completely with hijab, but don't misinform the public that it's by choice.

If it were by choice and a good thing, then we would find lots of non religious persons doing the same thing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Married Women Covering Their Face... by triplechoice(m): 5:54pm On Dec 13, 2022*

AntiChristian:
Wetin concern Holy Spirit with that?

What is foolishness is that you have brain that is unable to think!

People dress nude by choice!
People use Hijab by Choice!
Nincompoops believe the former but not the latter!

Your great grandmas were never as naked as your folks today! That's not bondage from the west!

You accuse someone of not using their brain to think, and at the same time, in a blind rage, ended up not using yours

How are you thinking if you don't even know that there's nothing like dressing nude? A nude person is someone without any kind of clothes. There's nothing dress half nude.

And if you think hijab is by choice and not a religious injunction, then tell that to any protesting Iranian women right now, and come back to narrate your experience.

Putting on a black hijab that covers you completely in a very hot weather is not by choice but evidence of someone under religious hypnotism.

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 6:25pm On Dec 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
I will like to believe that you mean to say you're not fighting but arguing.

Well it's normal for ATHEISTS to argue for no just course so true believers only deliver our message and take our leave.

So instead of arguing why not drop your comment on the topic and do the same if you're not an atheist!

Thanks for the correction. That was what I wanted to say. Not fighting you.

Now, is there anything wrong if I quote you in order to respond to what you have said about the topic?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is There Any Scientific Proof That Women Were Created From From Men's Ribs? by triplechoice(m): 5:35pm On Dec 09, 2022*

There's no scientific evidence that women were created from the rib of men.

There shouldn't be any such evidence because the Adam and Eve story is a myth. And it doesn't make any sense whatsoever for scientists to waste their time investigating what is obviously a fictional story.

It's only believers that take the story as a true, and it's because they have been made to believe that.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 3:45pm On Dec 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ i'm not hungry for arguments, so if you're OK with your conclusion i won't pester you nah!

I am fighting you but just arguing over something with you, and this is normal here

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 3:40pm On Dec 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Why do you atheists love arguments so much?
In fact it has eaten deep into your skin that you just want to argue at any slight chance with a believer!
Well i used Buhari because all of us here knows him the point of emphasis is having a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with this man even though you can see him vividly!

Now you NEt a Bible study but i'm not sure you WANT it.
Jesus spoke about LOVE for fellow humans in two different settings so try to assimilate which is greater.
@ Mark 12:31 Jesus taught his disciples to love their neighbours as themselves: This implies that what they want for themselves is exactly what they should do to other humans! Matthew 7:12
But @ John 13:34-35 Jesus gave his closest confidants a new commandment having to do with LOVE. This time Jesus said his disciples must have love among themselves just as he love them. This implies that they must be prepared to die for their fellow believers if the need be! John 15:12-13
So even though the enemies wants to kill them they must not raise weapons for the love they have for their fellow believers so they must be ready to die in that case! Matthew 26:52

So stop misquoting me!
Jesus said i must love my neighbours as myself meaning if i don't want to be killed i shouldn't think of killing people but how can i love the one who feels like killing or getting killed due to the love for racism or politics?
So i can only love such ones by not raising weapons against him but as for my beloved JW brother i must risk my life to rescue him for i know he is no part of the world that always think of using violence to settle issues just like me. As for my neighbour to whom i have preached PEACE but he rejected it there's nothing i can do about him when he chose to die for racism or politics!

I am not an atheist Mr Maximus.

And everything you wrote up there has nothing to do with the objections I raised concerning your earliest submission; that it's more profitable to have a personal relationship with an invisible person.

Sorry to say this, it's only a mad man that would annouce to everyone that he is having a personal relationship with an invisible person that no one else can confirm exist. It's mad talk actually.

Please I am not calling you mad, but only judging what you declared.

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 3:10pm On Dec 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Well if you say so, IF YOU SAY SO!

You're very funny. After suggesting yourself that it was not a perfect illustration, you want to be evasive.

Na ur way be dat

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 2:50pm On Dec 09, 2022*

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i said "you concluded for me"

Next time just calmly ask thought provoking questions instead of jumping to conclusions after reading people's comments.

Buhari is a human being surely you can't have a PERSONAL relationship with him if you've never been in any organized setting with him!

That's exactly what God's word found at 1John 4:8 is emphasizing.

For instance i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i believe that my fellow believers are in all the countries of the world today, so picking up weapons in support of a politician to kill his own opposers shows lack of sense because it will surely lead into killing my fellow believers whom i supposed to show LOVE. But if i should discard that and go ahead to kill them in support of the politician then where is my LOVE for God when i'm killing my fellow believers with whom i am praising the same God?

That is why an ORGANIZATION of VISIBLE BEINGS comes to mind first before claiming you have a personal relationship with the INVISIBLE SUPREME BEING: GOD!

You have come again with another poor comparison and roundabout talk

It's difficult to confirm your God exist, but not so for Buhari.

The next time it's announced that APC is going to have their presidential campaign, and it's certain that Buhari is sure to attend,just go the campaign venue to confirm he exist.

And know this, there's no where it's mentioned in the Bible that those you must love, must be fellow believers in organisation.

You just want to use the Bible to promote your organisation as the only true and perfect one . It's easy to see that

If you only love those in your organisation, the same Bible says you're not different from a sinner.

The parable of the good Samaritan should let you know to what extent you're expected to demonstrate your love There should be no discrimination.

Finally, 1 John 4: 20 has nothing to do with any visible organisation that one must belong to, before you can have personal relationship with any visible person. That's your own interpretation.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 1:55pm On Dec 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
It's through praying that we can communicate with God i only used texting as an illustration!

Then the illustration wasn't suitable.

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 1:38pm On Dec 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
You quoted me out of context!

Now where do you want to keep this part of my post?:

So without an organized people in whose midst LOVE, JOY and PEACE {John 13:34-35} reigns personal relationship with God won't go smoothly for a human being.

That's why God's word nullifies the claim of any personal relationship with God when you can't present a group of worshipers with whom you share the same line of thought in Love!

Please focus on what I drew your attention to in your comment.

It's not about your organisation, but whether it's possible to have a more profitable personal relationship with an invisible person without having it first with a visible person

Your Bible says personal relationship with a visible person is the first step and key to having any kind of good personal relationship with an invisible person.

Are you rejecting that?

Modified. Ok, I get you now. Only members of your organisation are your brothers. Your blood brother who doesn't belong there is not your brother.
Did the Bible make any such distinction in 1John 4:20

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Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 12:31pm On Dec 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
When two persons can see each other visibly communication is made easy but in the case where one is invisible then they have to find other means of communication which is texting and reading just as we're both doing right now!

Would you get a reply from God if you texted him?

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Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 12:16pm On Dec 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
You only need to as why i said it's more profitable instead of concluding for me!

Here below is what you advised.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course a layman will feel this can only be possible between two persons that can see each other but that's a lie it's also possible in fact more profitable when the other party is an invisible person!

In the above, you emphasised that it profits more when you have a personal relationship with an invisible person. Yes or no?

But 1 John 4.20 says, before you can profit from that, you must have a very good personal relationship with a "visible person", if not you're wasting your time.

I didn't conclude for you.

If you don't know how to live harmoniously with those you can see, there's no way you can do that with an invisible person you can't see.

It's what your Bible has adviised ,but you think otherwise.

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 9:46am On Dec 09, 2022

orisa37:
Holy Books are your Conversations with God.

Who were the persons that wrote the holy books?

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Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Personal Relationship With God, Why Do You Need Holy Books? by triplechoice(m): 9:28am On Dec 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
OK let's talk about PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP!

It's the closeness between two persons that leads to personal relationship between them, this has to do with how much both parties know each other. So before two persons can build such a relationship they have to love each other from the heart, share the same feelings and pains. This requires a lot of sacrifices because the two must be ready to do whatever it takes for the happiness of each other.

Of course a layman will feel this can only be possible between two persons that can see each other but that's a lie it's also possible in fact more profitable when the other party is an invisible person!

To be continued.....

This is very funny.
So you mean it's more preferable to have a personal relationship with an invisible person?

The numerous victims of Yahoo boys would never agree to that.

I think it's about time you started investigating the "invisible person"behind your holy book.

One is easily scammed when they don't know the true identity of the person they're relating with.

So this advice of yours is not good enough. You can only profit more by having a personal relationship with a visible person .
In a way, your Bible has told you that below

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Christianity Etc › Re: Workch Says Atheists Are Apes! by triplechoice(m): 6:08pm On Dec 07, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Why refer to people who has freedom of choice as "STUBBORN" for resisting your theory?

I'm beginning to see reasons with one brother who once told me that evolutionists are trying to force their story on everyone but first they have to attack Adam and Eve story.

So whoever say "NO" to your theory is stubborn shey?

Evolution is not my theory.So please stop repeating that like someone who never attended a school where it was taught.

That humans have evolved is something that has been proven scientifically to have happened. You have the freedom to verify this information yourself in order to judge if it's true or not

Evolution theory has its limitations, no doubt about that. But If something has been proven to be true to a certain extent with some evidences to back it up,and you then come in to reject it without providing any valid reason for doing so, then you're displaying stubborn resistance. It's as simple as that.

If you insist it's not stubborn resistance, then where are the evidences;the fossils records to show that man was created perfect from the beginning?

That's the only thing that would make anyone want to consider your counter claim. But unfortunately you don't have it,

As for that brother of yours, he is obviously ignorant. Evolution theory is neither against the Adam and Eve story nor against your God.

The Adam and Eve story is simply an allegory, which christians have misinterpreted.

Not every christian is resistance to evolution theory. There are some who have found a way to reconcile it with their religious beliefs and still continue to believe in God.

You can do that too, instead worrying yourself over something you can't change.

Humans have evolved and that's a fact that cannot tampered with by what is contained in any religious text or by any conspiracy theory .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Workch Says Atheists Are Apes! by triplechoice(m): 2:46pm On Dec 07, 2022

Workch:
why are you busy arguing with a trolll.

Don’t feed a troll, it’s what he wants. Your replies gratifies him, he will become frustrated if he doesn’t get responses

Thank you

Christianity Etc › Re: Workch Says Atheists Are Apes! by triplechoice(m): 2:30pm On Dec 07, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
The white man called him an ape for the purposes of abusing and dehumanizing him (defamation and violation of human rights.

Here we a black man calling himself the same ape the white devil used for insulting and dehumanizing him, danm, slavery is horrible and ~~Stockholm's~~ white man's syndrome Is powerful.

This human must be mad or he is an Ape which means he is not entitled to human rights. He can go look for his law of Apes right but The Law has made us humans greater than apes, so, I can treat him as a rat and chicken!

I did not know that he was an Ape! Where are those people that eat hippocampus, monkeys and co, Oya see one monkey (Ape) wey dey wear cloth and dey press fone

SMH.

Poor education and religious fanaticism can lead to brain damage.

You just rambled and not made any sense.

Help yourself before it becomes to late .

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