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MaxInDHouse:
The Adam and Eve story is real!

If you believe the APE story keep it while i keep my Adam and Eve story. You have presented your ancestors and i have presented mine.
Please if you don't want derogatory words don't say anything against the Adam and Eve story!

There's nothing like an "ape story", but scientific explanation, supported by evidence, for how humans have evolved.

You don't agree with it because a book, which your group has wrongly misinterpreted, has made you accept without evidence, that humans were created perfect from dust.

And ,BTW who are you to threaten anyone with insults for challenging the Adam and Eve story?
Are you the person that created that story?
Or,
Is this how you threaten those you meet during the course of your preaching?

In Judaism, the foundation for christianity and also the main religion of the Isrealies, the Adam and Eve story is regarded as a allegory, without any doubt.

But unfortunately, Christians everywhere have been misled into taken the story for real and hence the stubborn resistance to the evolution theory.

MaxInDHouse:
No problem if your ancestors were APES mine were Adam and Eve. Period!

No problem if you're not using the word derogatorily.

FYI,the Adam and Eve story is an allegory, a fictional story, that should not be taken literally.

So, it's impossible for fictional characters to be any kind of ancestors to any real human being.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ animal is animal and human is human.

If you don't agree with my book that an intelligent being created man to be intelligent then i also will never ever agree with you that animals evolved into human. Period!

This has nothing to do with any religious book.

It's science and scientific knowledge are rationally explained truths supported by evidence. Can we also say the same of your holy book?


Workch, from his explanation, has answered already the
question you and your friends have been asking, but you wouldn't accept it because you have only attached chimpanzees and monkeys to the word, ape.

That's the problem.

MaxInDHouse:
When someone lay a claim that his ancestors were APES but refused to accept that he is also an APE doesn't that sound strange?

IF you had taken your time to read what I explained, you wouldn't have replied with this.

What is the meaning of the word word, ape, as it is used I the sciences?

Let's hear from you

Aemmyjah:
Which 'we'?
Me and you? I'm not an ape
Or you and your fellow atheists

I asked you a personal question
Are you an ape?

It's inappropriate behaviour to be asking that sort of personal question you have been asking everywhere on this board.

The only reason you're getting away with it here, is probably because it's assume you're a black man ,if not, you would have been banned by the mods already for asking a racially offensive question if it's known that you're from another race.

No matter what is being discussed,a white man persistently harrasing a black man with the same sort of personal question , "are you an ape" on Facebook or Twitter, would be accused of using racially offensive language, and have his account suspended immediately.

So discontinue the craziness , and try to understand, that the word, ape, is only used in the sciences as a classification for certain primates with shared features, but which is not enough to make them exactly the same kind .


Within the legal community, for instance,non lawyers are "classified" as laymen or referred to as such , but you wouldn't meet any lawyer outside that setting, calling you a layman or asking you if you're a layman or not, as the know it's belittling and improper to do so.

You and Dtruthspeaker have taken workch explanation and other comments out of the context in which they were made and now using it to harass others by asking silly questions .


I thought JW are expected to be of good behaviour, but it seems you no longer care.

The mods should do their work as both of you have taken this too far. Dtruthspeaker has even gone as far as opening a thread for the madness.
SMH.

Aemmyjah:
I was asking him a simple question
If you want to come to his rescue, answer as well
Simple question
Are you an ape or not?

At the moment, the correct answer wouldn't help you because you have a very limited understanding of the word, ape.

The only meaning, you have
strongly attached to that word, is chimpanzee or monkeys, and you have kept repeating that.

So ,a yes or no answer wouldn't help to clear your ignorance. Go and find out first, all of the meaning attached to that word, ape , and then come back here to ask the same question .

It's obvious you're desperate for a yes answer, which you intend to screenshot ,and later use as evidence that someone here once admitted to be a monkey.

Nobody is going to fall for that.

Aemmyjah:
Baba,are you an ape or not? You're caught in your web
It was your fellow atheist that said so and I want to see your CONVICTION

For me, I am not an ape

Are you an ape or not, stop wasting time but I am going to screenshot your answer
Shame
Remembering your former comments, you are not mad with theists but you that are atheists are engaging them in a religious thread. Thought you should be in education

Are you an ape or not?

You want an answer for something whose actual meaning you don't know?

How would you make sense of his reply if you don't know what the word, ape, actually refers to.

Someone said you claimed to be a biologist. If that's actually true, then you're suppose to know better .

Secondary school knowledge in biology and the awake magazines you have read are not enough to make you a biologist.

Aemmyjah:
Though this is a joke but we know that will create more questions on the girl's mind

If it were your own child, how will you CONVINCE her?

In real life, most children who are inquisitive enough to ask such questions , wouldn't be satisfied with the dad's explanation.

The next question that would come before going to question the mum, would have been, where did God come from ?
Or, how do you know God created the first couple? and even more, where is God?

To avoid those sort of questions, which I can't honestly and correctly answer, I would not try to convinced her with anything I am not yet sure of .

But only let her know that nobody is certain about the origin of life and that scientists are still trying to make us know how exactly life began in a way we all can understand and accept .

As for you ,the op, please try to understand very well what evolution theory is. It's not the answer to the origin of life.

Morever, the theory has never said that humans evolved from chimpanzees or monkeys.

One wonders where you got that from. This is not the first thread I have seen you trying to misinterprete the theory

It appears you have been listening to people who really can't explain evolution theory in a way you can understand it.

AntiChristian:
I think you should keep mute as you have nothing relevant to say!

What you think is not my business.

This is an open forum and have the liberty to respond to anything here as long I don't violate any rule.


If you find it difficult to respond rationally to anything I have said, then please keep your emotional responses to yourself and take your own advice by keeping mute.

Your rellgion, Islam, which you're trying to "market" indirectly, by finding fault in the other one, is also filled with very weird beliefs, and sadly you're completely blind to them due to indoctrination.

AntiChristian:
Where did i mention Islam in the thread?

You don't need to mention it . It's what you represent.

You can continue to bury your head in the sand.

AntiChristian:
The thread is not about Islam.
Talk about this thread!

The thread is about you, Antichristian, attempting to present Islam ,through the backdoor, as the more superior one to Christianity, and I just explained to you it's not.
Both are false religious constructs.


Your true identity is known by most here, and so you can't hide behind" This thread is not about Islam" when it's implicitly about it.

AntiChristian:
At least tell what people can verify!

1. Not one of the disciples saw Jesus die on the cross.

It's about time you looked into the mirror my friend.

No one can also verify if any angel appeared intermittently to unlettered Muhammad for a period of 23years to make him recite the Quran.

Morever, none of the scribes ,who were claimed to have helped him pen down the Quran, witnessed for once any such angel encounter in all of that period or were they privy to it in anyway until the so called angel stopped appearing.

You like to think your religion, Islam, is superior or perfect because of the inconsistencies or lies you can easily spot in the other one, but what you're simply not aware of at the moment, is that yours contains similar kind of unverifiedl stories or claims, which you're completely blind to and afraid to question.

And it's really pathetic to see you open threads every now and then to question the beliefs of others when you should be questioning yours first.



Religious indoctrination, especially the one from the two popular abrahamic religion, which are actually false religious construct of the same kind, is sometimes the worst thing that can happen to any human being.

I have been there before,so I talk from experience.
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Aemmyjah:
Some even cooperated with government and betrayed us

But ever since Putin mobilisation, they have been looking for us desperately cos they've seen how subtle and wicked the government is
If I were there, I won't even answer anybody. They really betrayed the brothers there

How did you know that Russians are desperately looking for your members?

Is there a report whose link you can share for confirmation?

seguno2:
Should they also produce his primary and secondary school certificates

What has that got to do with the current controversy?
Or you don't know the difference between a photograph and a certificate?

Lies. It wasn't an error.

If they want us to believe it was an error, let them produce the authentic picture of Tinubu when he was that age which they wanted to use in the first place

MaxInDHouse:
Let them unite/agree in their understanding first then we will believe they know better than us! Luke 11:23

The messages in that passage was meant for the people of Israel whose major religion is Judaism.

You're a Christian and so not in a position to interpret anything for them or anyone else.

Judaism and christianity are not the same religion.

Preceding chapters makes it clear that the "servant" is Israel. You have been deceived

MaxInDHouse:
When a JW talks about the Bible try to learn it will benefit you greatly!

Before i comment on your question read what Isaiah wrote here, meditate thoroughly then try to find out the meaning of the scripture:

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:6:10

The general consensus amomgs Jewish scholars and rabbinic priests, who should understand that passage more than your JW group, is that the suffering servant refers to the nation of Israel

And they have all explained for us that the ,"he" , in that passage collectively refers to the nation of Israel, and not just a single individual.

That passage , together with the one before and after it, is replete with a lot of figurative expressions which your group have interpreted wrongly.


The people of Israel have no reason to expect a Messiah to die as a sacrifice for their sin, since they already know that their god detest human sacrifice.



No judaist anywhere is expecting a Messiah that would come and die as a sacrifice for anything

You're joking if you think you understand their religion more than them.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus died for salvation of the entire human race but the chance to benefit must start from among the Jews {Matthew 10:6} before it could extend to other nations {Matthew 15:24 compare to and it's the Jews that will bring it to you. Zechariah 8:23
Only those that believe in Jesus will benefit globally! John 3:16

In those Bible verses and anywhere else in the same Bible, the Jews were never told a Jesus or Messiah would come to die for their sins as part of the any New covenant.

They were also never told that unless they believe in Jesus, they would never benefit from his death.

So, did Jesus come to change God's plan?

Obafavour:
What is stopping the scientist from waking the dead? As long as there are things that are beyond scientific knowledge, atheist have no say in disproving the existence of God. .

Science has its limitations, and It's neither magic, nor does it give superpowers to those who study it, to raise the dead.

Morever, science is not synonymous with atheism. It's neutral or agonistic and not concerned with proving or disproving the existence of God or the supernatural.


Science is for investigating the natural world or what is only observable, through certain methods, in order to provide rational explanation for it.


Anyone can study the sciences and be very good at it. Ben Carson, a theist, is an example you cited.

So there's no need to disparage it or fight it simply because some persons are using it as validation for there non belief .

We even have theist who use science as support for what they belief.

Scientist should tell us how life started and how earth was like this and the beauty of nature, intelligence of man knowing good from bad having conscience. If it wouldn't be a guess work.
And why we evolve to become humans and we still have ape that look like their ancestors.

Scientists have been busy trying to answer some of those. They wouldn't answer all or would want to, especially the ones that has to do with good or bad

The answers they have provided for the ones they have investigated and still investigating, has helped us to understand the world better than our primitive forbears who used myths and other similar stories as explanation for the natural world.

As I already mentioned, there are certain things science would never answer for us, and it's due to its limitations.

But we shouldn't not use that as an excuse to be certain that something exist somewhere, either because someone we respect tells us so, or we read it in a book we regard as divinely inspired.

If you think anything is beyond scientists to investigate, then at least there should be some kind of evidence, not necessarily scientific evidence, for you to be sure that thing is true or real.

HisSplendor:
Whether approximately spherical or otherwise, the earth isn't flat as was previously assumed.

Whether Jonah swallowed the fish or the fish swallowed him, it doesn't matter as long as there was a miracle.

No sense.

HisSplendor:
Whether approximately spherical or otherwise, the earth isn't flat as was previously assumed.

Whether Jonah swallowed the fish or the fish swallowed him, it doesn't matter as long as there vwas a miracle.

No sense.

HisSplendor:
You don't need to believe anything.

All you need to do is to employ the right tools in researching the information.

Scientists didn't believe the world is a sphere until they got the right tools to verify the claim. Did their unbelief stop the world from being a sphere?

Using logic to undertake spiritual research is like using the naked eye to find microbes in the air.

The earth is not a sphere, but approximately spherical.

You don't know the difference .

HisSplendor:
My friend you talk too much without being really on track.

Your interpretations are actually too offpoint. To you having spiritual experiences before dying means visiting heaven before death. And a lot of other misrepresentations that you have makes it very difficult to engage you without stating from the rudiments. One must first try to define different concepts and ideas before putting forward a subject matter in a discussion with you otherwise, that person would end up not communicating.

You're not getting anything I'm saying to you because you have a different understanding of the concepts I'm talking about.

I've been having very smooth discussions with Atheists on this Forum for a long time, and for the first time, I'm meeting someone who thinks about heaven when we talk about spiritual experiences. I can't even remember all the many misconceptions I've encountered with you.

Let it rest brother. I can't start doing any prolonged discussions based on rudiments.

I already passed my message.

Thanks for your time and have a nice day.

Ad hominem from beginning to the end .And the worst part, you're unable put your thoughts down clearly.

You have struggled to discuss fully what you claim to know.

The op you created, you have since abandoned it for "the experiential, individualistic, dieing old men stories , OBEs "and other claims, you were unable to throw further light on.

Next time choose a topic you can freely discuss. This one is not within your range.

No reasonable message has been passed by you. You deceive yourself if you think have.

Have a nice day too.

HisSplendor:
You're wrong from top to bottom.

And infact, your last statement shows you know nothing.

Dirty tricks as usual to make it seem you know something.

Prove that I am wrong from top to bottom and also prove that I know nothing with my last comment.

You have been making similar comments that you refuse to substantiate.

You can't accuse somebody of something and when ask to prove it , you run away. That's what you do each time.

In christianity it's never taught anywhere that you should or can experience heaven before you go there.

Experience of heaven by those who claim to have been there through OBE is what you're banking on.

You don't know anything about OBES. I can assure you of that. If you want to use OBEs as support for your argument that Christians can visit heaven before they die, create another thread and invite me.

HisSplendor:
While I can draw a parrallel, you may not be able to do the same.

That dead people have no experience in the afterlife isn't a statement of fact. That's hypothetical.

The mistake you make is thinking that the universe is made up of only the logical realm. The logical realm is insignificant in the scheme of things. While the unseen realm is the Real Realm. The logical realm is just an illusion.

Logical realm? What you're discussing is beyond you.

You don't possess the right vocabulary to discuss it.

Just drop this and do some further readings and return later when you're well equipped with what to say

HisSplendor:
no

When a discussion is ongoing, it develops as it progresses.

The starting point of a discussion is just the foundation. It could expand and even bring in several unexpected subject matters.

I know what I wrote and why I wrote it. I've been having profitable discussions with those who understand it. The moment a reader among many other readers begins to tell a writer that he doesn't understand what he wrote, it's definitely clear that the reader has refused to comprehend.

So, let it rest brother. I already passed my message.

This man you're very funny.

Who are the people that think you have made any sense if not those who also believe sheepishly like you?

Show me the profitable discussion you have been having with others who think you made any sense on this thread.


You're have been throwing about empty words and statements of me not understanding you just because you have failed to defend your op.

It's not helping you. You can't be a judge in your own case.

If you're so sure I don't understand anything, then why have you failed to let others following ,see clearly what I don't understand.?

The esoteric books I believe you have been reading alongside your Bible has created confusion in your mind.

What experience of heaven have you had that you have been indirectly referring to?

It's only esoteric students and those from some certain religion, like Eckankar, that would tell you that you can have an experience of heaven while still alive.

Christianity doesn't teach that.

AntiChristian:
Of course a scan would capture your human body nowadays! So which camera exists back then to record Angels?

And Qu'ran is a miracle in itself. It can't be recited by a human unlettered in just about 23 years!

Stop the comparison between Islam and Christianity! They ain't similar.

So the reason we should accept the Quran as true, is because no camera to record the event between Muhammad and the Angel?

I hope you are aware you're not talking to the sheepees in your mosque or wherever you usually gather. Those ones don't question anything you tell them.

Can you use this same argument to defend anything in a law Court ?
That the reason a judge should accept your testimony as true , without any witness or evidence to corroborate it, is because no camera to record it ,and expect to receive a favourable judgement?

Muhammad just didn't recite the Quran for straight 23 years on his own. Instead it was believed, an angel kept appearing to him intermittently for 23 years and yet ,not for once was there a single witness to confirm what transpired.

Oh! ,things only a believer can believe.

The comparison I have made of both rellgion is correct. They're from the same source; Abrahamic , but with different set of beliefs the adherents have been indoctrinated to accept as true.

And that's why you ,for instance, believe the Quran is true because you have been made to accept without questioning that an unlettered Muhammad got it from an angel, whereas it wouldn't have made any difference if he was lettered. I believe you have never for once considered this.

Would you have rejected the Quran if Muhammad was lettered? Certainly not.

Muhammad ,from what we are told ,was unable to pen down the Koran because he was unlettered and that it was some scribes who helped him .

But that was a lie. It was Muhammad who probably got inspiration for some parts of the Koran through personal reflections in the cave (that's, if it was true he was in any such cave) in conjunction with the scribes, who borrowed extensively from other sources, that were responsible for your Koran. No angel was involved.

The lie of an angel was to make you accept it as divinely inspired. Every rellgion with a religious text have used the same method of divine inspiration from an angel or God.

Go and investigate them and your eyes would be open.

AntiChristian:
Same way you can't confirm that you have a brain in your skull!

The messages he received then was unprecedented and unknown. He was even unlettered!

In this time and age, you don't even know that with an head CT scan and other devices, you can actually confirm if YOU have any brain to think in your skull!!!

I can now see why you're gullible enough to believe that account.

The messages and the fact that he was unlettered is not enough confirmation an angel spoke to him.

Muhammad was not the only unlettered prophet or religious figure in the past who inspired a religion. So, why was his own special?

The people who created your rellgion have told you that so you can believe what is contained in the Koran.


You have no way of knowing an angel spoke to Muhammad.

You have spoken as a believer and I understand.

AntiChristian:
Of course it actually did happen!

How do we confirm that an angel spoke to Muhammed?

AntiChristian:
And those who don't believe in anything still find something to believe in according to their whims!

How is that same?

This has no bearing on the discussion at hand. You want to deflect.

I said, both you and the Christians you mock are doing the same thing: believing what your rellgion has made you to believe and it doesn't matter what it's. What matters is that you believe something.

Or you want to argue that an angel dictating the Koran to Muhammad actually happened?

AntiChristian:
This is ignorance at it's peak!

There are over a hundred if not thousands differences between Christianity and Islam but you are blind to it due to ignorance!

They are not the same thing under different narratives!

Christians don't believe in Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam) and their beliefs in the son of Mary is much different from ours!

The same in the sense that you believe what your rellgion tells you is the truth.

Why should Christians believe in Muhammad when it's not part of the things they're told to believe?

Both Muslims and Christians are believers.

AntiChristian:
Everything God created are his servants particularly humans, spirits and Angels.

No servant of God came to die.

John 3:16 did not call him a servant!

Jesus is the second God of your Godhead trinity! If he's a servant then Holy spirit is also a servant and only the father is the master.

So why would the father associate two servants with himself in his godhead lordship? This makes no sense!

Christianity should be a mirror for you to see that there a lot of things in your own religion, Islam, that doesn't also makes sense.

Both religion are the same. The only difference is what is contained in the different religious text.

If Muslims were using the Bible, you would be defending what's contained in it and arguing as you're doing now, that God sacrificing his son makes sense.

You wouldn't see anything wrong in it just as wouldn't see anything wrong in an angel dictating the Koran to Muhammad. You accept without any evidence that it actually happened.

Each time you come up with a thread like this, I always ask myself why can't this man see that he his making a mockery of the same thing he is doing.
Christianity and Islam are abrahamic religions: the same thing but different narratives.