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MaxInDHouse:
All my children are JWs and my little grandson is even tougher than me when talking about FAITH!

It's obvious you don't have critical thinking skills but if you feel you do let's ask each other thought provoking questions and see who will easily agree to pick up weapons due to failure to make peace!

You succeeded in brainwashing them. Very unfortunate. I know one day, as it often happens, some of them would come out if it


For your challenge, you're not in a position to challenge anyone to any debate. Your thoughts are in a muddle. You hardly make sense.

What you're good at is name calling and insults and I am not ready to engage you on that.
Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:
What's the difference between a fraudster and an armed robber that comes with weapons to attack you?

Well the fraudster only still your money while hiding his real intentions but the armed robber comes face to face and battle prepared to get what he wants at all cost. If the armed robber finds your daughter, wife or mom attractive he will rape her while you'll be asked to face the wall or worse still given a fan to blow him while getting down with your daughter, wife or mom.

Now tell me is there really a difference or not?

See how you displayed your critical faculty skills here.

He is talking about the action of rapimg which can be done with or without a weapon, and not the different kinds of people that can rape others.

While a fraudster may succeed in defrauding others without carrying a gun ,an armed
robber wouldn't not attempt to rob you without threatening you with what they're harmed with.

A rapist may succeed whether they're harmed or not

MaxInDHouse:
The problem with atheists is lack of critical thinking skills!

You only face one side instead of meditating on what's coming from all sides. JWs are an organized people from different races throughout the world and there are many of such groups of people and it humans like you and i that's issuing orders to this groups.

Instead of capitalizing on what a terror group does why not think of their leader and what exactly is influencing his thoughts?
Getting weapons to counter them is one thing but that won't get to the root of the evil rather it will worsen matters. After the leader of a group has been gunned down each member that escaped will start thinking of what he will accumulate if only he could brainwash another group of people to follow him.
That's exactly what JWs are destroying with our preaching and teaching campaign!

As an ex military personnel if not for what the JWs has done with my thoughts i could have intelligently gather young men and women and start a revolutionary group against those oppressing the people. Note that revolutionists aren't doing what is backed up by the law so anyone that comes to join the group will be welcomed: thieves, murderers, fraudsters, homosexuals, lesbians, rapists, pedophiles, hired killers, drunkards, witches, wizards just name it as long as they recognize the headship of the one issuing them orders their commander's only interest is to unseat the incumbent ruler. It's after they've gained power that they will now start thinking of how to present their group to the masses as a friend of the oppressed. That's when they begin making rules that was never part of the plan from onset.

So i know exactly what influences the groups you're calling rapists and terrorists, it's all about seizing power to dominate the less privileged. Jehovah's Witnesses reaches the hearts of people with the Good News of God's Kingdom and with that many become hopeful of a brighter future when all evildoers will be done away with for good {Psalms 37:7-11} any who accepts our teaching can't be motivated into carrying weapons in support of any politician. That's why Vladimir Putin banned our group in Russia, he realized that with the JWs his moves to make Russians fight to broaden his territories and sustain his government will be jeopardized.

Ọmọ no be ṣeré ṣeré if we are to talk about this matter i will school all of you thinking you're wise when you're actually foolish with your irrational thinking expecting everyone to become anxious like you whereas it will only lead to more and more killings! Proverbs 14:12

Accusing others of lacking critical faculty skills ,and then go on to immediately demonstrate that you lack the capacity to think critically yourself.

What an irony!

Mr critical faculty, so you're not aware that one doesn't need to belong to a terror group to own a gun and start using it to terrorise others?
And who tells you that without JW preaching, non members wouldn't have the sense on what to do about living in harmony with their neighbors?

Is it JW that has preached to somebody like me and others too who don't own a gun or intend to own one to hurt others?

So sad the extent to which your group has brainwashed you to make you strongly believe that you're the only ones that have solution the problems of the world.

You're living in a fantasy world. It's about time you came out of it and start living in the real world.

Poor education and religious indoctrination is brain damaging. I pray your children don't follow your footsteps.

jaephoenix:
Its his version of gaslighting. Unless you're new here, you'll know it's his Modus Operandi. So don't sweat it. Flow along with him

I know Maximus for long here It's not just gaslighting.

He is a pathological liar who is not even aware he is lying, and would never admit when you point out his lies to him .

He just lied that the op is different from what it's.

MaxInDHouse:
The OP is all about God and His son which should help people to have love joy and PEACE among themselves.
So if your argument is purposeless then you're not in your right senses as far as this thread is concerned!

No. You're confused. The op centers on the reason behind the Tales of Virgin births which predates that of Jesus.

Well, I'm not surprised. You have the habit of interpreting differently things that are very obvious to everyone

You see black and call it White.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're with your right senses you should know that each group is following orders from someone what we're saying is that leadership is the problem and Jesus is the best leader if all of us can follow him.

Quit the name calling and focus on the discussion at hand.

You have not made any sense with the above but just rambled waywardly.

It doesn't matter from who those groups take orders from . If you run into them ,they would do to you what they like, and your attempt to preach or offer them any of your Awake magazines would only incur their wrath the more.

So what are talking about?

You and your group are living in denial of reality with that your nonsense talk of removing weapons from the minds of people.
Go to Sambisa forest or any kidnappers hideout to do that and let's see if you survive it.

Members of the armed forces and other security agencies are sacrificing their lives everyday to ensure criminal elements don't overun this country.

But you and your group have decided to bury your head in the sand, pretending not to know what is happening of how others have been sacrificing their lives nearly everyday on your behalf to secure the country.

MaxInDHouse:
Try to make sense by having a purpose when chatting with people at least to make people do something that will go round not just arguing blindly simply because you feel high!

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If only you had stuck to your Op, we wouldn't have arrived here.

You brought the confusion, not me. So blame yourself for that

MaxInDHouse:
At least 8,000,000 will never raise weapons against anyone again due to what i know!

But those who still use weapons in the armed forces and other security agencies are using it to protect you and your other members from Boko Haram and other groups seeking to harm or kidnap you in different parts of the country .

Have you ever thought of that?

Kobojunkie:
Can you please provide at least a reference for this abeg! What are some of those sayings that were repeated by Jesus Christ ?

Here below,

1. The world's sixteen crucified savours. Escondido book three. By Kersey

2. Bible Myths and their parallels in other rellgion. Dianne, TW.

3. From Jesus to Christ. The Origins of the New testament images of Jesus. Fredriksen, Paula.

Please read them and let me know what you think.

Before then ,let me leave you with this,
Krishna just like Jesus , also proclaimed, "I am the resurrection and the way to the Father"

Modified. I'm adding this to the list since you're eager to know the truth.

4.The Christ conspiracy. The greatest story ever sold.

MaxInDHouse:
OK so you know i'm your OGA but stupidly jumped into my thread to spew gibberish, i thought atheists have some brains in their skulls.
Next time you see my thread know that there's a purpose why Maximus start a discussion and it's nothing more than the same reason why JWs come to knock on people's doors:

How do we achieve peace in our society as humans?

So don't you ever jump into my thread without thinking deeply, i'm not one of your professors who only gather to argue endlessly for fun!

If you really know the meaning of the word gibberish, then you would be in a better position to judge between the two of us who has been spewing nonsense.

You're derailing from your Op already and you don't even know it, but fuming about not having brains.


I'm not an atheist. I have told you that several times before. Not everyone who disagree with you is an atheist.
And besides you're not more intelligent than most atheist ,so don't brag and try to praise yourself.

If you have brains in your skull to think better than atheist, it would be easily seen by others who read you comments, and not you saying so.

Good day Oga Maximus .you're free to insult anyone who disagree with you each time you go about knocking on people's door like a wolve in sheep's clothing. I'm sure that's what you do from your behaviour here.

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry my manners!



If what makes sense to you can't erase the use of weapons in the hearts of neighbours then of what purpose are you coming here to argue?
Because each person can use whatever he knows to make personal gains for himself so i think your argument is worthless if it doesn't carry people along to live peacefully.
No matter what you think you've achieved PEACE is supposed to be your number one priority because without peace you're worthless as your life can be taken within seconds by your neighbour living next to you!

You have turned the conversation on its head. Our main discussion was not about what makes sense to me.

And, how do you know peace is not my priority?

Oga Maximus, just rest. I don't think you have anything else to say concerning what we were discussing before now.

Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:
I love that statement:
"the only thing that makes sense"

Please use any other thing that makes sense to you remove weapons from the hearts and minds of those who believe in the same thing as you do! Isaiah 2:4

There's a difference between the statements, "the only thing that makes sense", and "the only thing that makes sense to YOU"

You have shamelessly edited my comment by removing the phrase, "to you" ,thinking you can deceive others, but you failed.

And also ,We were not discussing how to remove weapons from the hearts and minds of anyone.

You have started to deflect as you usually do here.

Aemmyjah:
This one does not even know what he's saying
Language evolved from grunts and noises? Very shallow reasoning

what do you know?



Please stick to you Bible stories because that's the only thing that makes sense to you.

MaxInDHouse:
Satan accused the entire human race that none of us will remain loyal to God under test {Job 1:11} from Satan's point of view humans are keeping our integrity because we're undisturbed. God permitted him and faithful humans like Job has proved Satan a LIAR. That's why God allowed all these in the past.


There are two parts of humans Jesus mentioned when talking about death: body and soul {Matt 10:28} it's the body we need to recognize someone we know but God doesn't need the person's body because he formed a body for Adam from the dust of the earth so all He needs is the character stored in His memory book! Rev 20:15 compare to Mal 3:16
As for the language remember it's this same person who confused the language of the inhabitants of the earth {Gen 11:9} He has promised to restore all back to one language when He our sins are forgiven! Zephaniah 3:9



Houses will be built to accommodate them! Isai 65:21

By then the News we will be hearing is about a resurrected person claiming he is either Jonah, David, Samson, Abel, Enoch, Daniel, Jeremiah or John the baptist because the houses they'll see and the technological advancement will amaze them so we have to help them know what has happened in the past thousands of years after they died! Daniel 12:13

It's just a pity that you don't know you're asking one of the real disciples of Christ (JWs) sent to preach the Good News to you. Act 1:8
Now you can ask whatever question that comes to your mind the answers are right there in your copy of the Bible!

The summary of everything you have said up there, is that Satan is working for God. God is using him, going by the story of Job.
Satan is God right hand man. God allowed everything to happen. He gave permission to Satan to fabricate story to deceive humans.

God is complicit in the whole thing..So why blame the demons alone


As for God changing human language, I don't think you know what you're saying.

The tower of Babel was a myth. It never happened.

Human language evolved from the grunts and noises made by our primtive forbears. It has nothing to do with God giving it to us or changing it as he pleases


It's only the uneducated and Christian sheepees that would accept what you just explained about human language..

MaxInDHouse:
God has made His own arrangement so if you want to align yourself with God's purpose all you need is to seek humility and righteousness {Zeph 2:2-3} all those been misled by Satan and his agents aren't any issue for God because as long as they're sincere individuals God has set a time for them to be raised back to life as UNRIGHTEOUS ONES {Act 24:15} the reason why God referred to them as UNRIGHTEOUS is not due to wickedness but they lived by conscience despite the fact that they practiced false religions.
As for those who choose to be wicked deliberately God has judged them already, they will never be allowed to come back to life! Psalms 9:17

When those sincere individuals deceived by Satan are resurrected back to life Satan would have been locked up so it will be easy for them to grasp that they were deceived into practicing false religions {Rev 20:1-3} they will then be given 1,000 years training to become like Christ, afterwards Satan will now have the opportunity to face them the second time after they've gained accurate knowledge of the truth, by that time no more excuses whatever each person decides to be at that time will determine your permanent condition it's either you live forever or die forever. Rev 20:13-15

So calm down God is not wicked so as to forget even the pagans who were kind hearted and sincere. It's only the wicked that God hates because they deliberately chose to be evil!

If God has the power to raise those dead people in the future and also capable of locking up Satan so that they're not deceived again, why did he not exercise this same power by locking Satan up during those period of those "fabrications" to prevent the people from being deceived in the first place?


And talking about raising the dead back to life, where would they be raised from?

From graves that no longer exist?
From the bellies of wild animals that eat them up?

From the ashes of those cremated?

Or they would just appear from no where and start living with humans ,who wouldn't recognize them or know where they came from, and immediately start to speak the current language of the people around them?

And who would also house them?

Your JW kingdom Hall or some of them would immediately start living with you so you can preach to them that they were deceived by demons in the past?




I'm not really sure you're thinking of what you're typing before hitting the submit button.

FireUpNow:
WAEC is 50k and NECO is 50k in private secondary schools. Schools are cashing out big time with less teaching by the teachers and less reading by the students. Corruption has killed this country. I heard a story of how a mathematics teacher could not solve maths waec questions and took it to a tutorial center where it was solved and the teacher came to to the hall to give his special candidates the answers after collecting money from the students. What a shame!

Not every Private school is involved in examination practice. It doesn't matter what they charge for WAEC enrollment.

Some private schools charge 80k for WAEC enrollment, but don't get involved in examination practice or encourage their students to do so.

Any of their teachers caught trying to assist students during both internal and external examination is sacked immediately.

eteebanky1:
Neco fee from the organization is just #18,000

Blame the corruption/extortion mentality that has eaten deep on an average Nigerian

This has nothing to do with corruption.

The students are not going to enroll as independent candidate directly with NECO. It's the school that do would that on their behalf.

And you want them not to charge something in addition to the 18k in the process of doing this for them?

Private schools are expected to make profits from whatever services they render to their students, especially WAEC or NECO enrollment.

If a particular Private school is charging much for NECO enrollment and you can't afford it look elsewhere for the ones you can afford.
It's a simple as that.

MaxInDHouse:
When John said:


So i purposely brought this up please let the atheists cry if they want because God's only begotten Son has come to do what demons and their human agents tried to fabricate for thousands of years but failed:

"All those who have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers; but the sheep have not listened to them" John 10:8

YES! Many have come to confuse people so that by the time the real Christ arrive his case will make no sense but we have the EVIDENCE to prove that they're all working for Satan and demons who knew before hand what Jesus is coming to do!

It's childish talk to say you purposely brought this to make atheist cry..Would their cry mean that the Jesus story was not copied from elsewhere?



You said that many have come before to confuse people, so that by the time the real Christ comes, his story wouldn't make any sense. You have not made any sense here.


Good that you're aware that those stories you claimed were fabricated ,were created thousands of years before that of Jesus.

If those "fabrications" was meant to mislead people then it was unfair for God to have allowed it to happen because millions, if not billions of people who read them never had the opportunity to meet or read the "original Jesus story" before they departed this world to know the truth.

You think God only wanted some set of people to be deceived by those demons ,and why?

Try to Put your self in the position of those people who lived thousands of years before Jesus, and judge for yourself if anything you have argued makes any sense

And also ask yourself if you're not indirectly accusing your God of acting unjustly by allowing demons to deceive billions of people when it should be clear to him that the truth would not be known as at that time ,since Jesus didn't not come immediately to make them know that they were being deceived.


Or you think you're more important and special than the people who lived during those times before Jesus , and so deserved to be deceived?

budaatum:
+1

Happy new year. budaatum

MaxInDHouse:
From Abraham down to David the promise has continued so all the demons (pagan gods) keep speculating how gods were born in one place after another so that by the time Christ is born it won't be anything special after all it has been heard in various pagan traditions!

Well by the time the real promised child was born Satan can't keep it low he quickly turned into a fake Star and led his agents to Herod the great, was it to to get baby Jesus killed before his time? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa! Satan knew that he can't kill Jesus but to make the baby start doing supernatural thing so as to alert all God's enemies but God told Joseph to take the baby away until Herod the great died.

So it was all fabricated to discredit the Christ!

You're focused on one thing alone, the Virgin birth of Jesus, to argue that similar stories that predated the supposedly virgin birth of Jesus were fabricated.

Apart from the virgin birth, nearly everything about the life of Jesus , especially some of the sermons he gave, followed the same pattern as those you claimed were fabricated by demons.

For instance, Jesus sermon on the mount and some of his other sayings are similar to the ones attributed to Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita.

How were the demons able to know almost exact word for word what Jesus was going to say thousands of years before he was going to say it? And how is that even possible?

The demons, according to you, knew beforehand what was coming and used it to fabricate a story to mislead the everyone.

But God, who should be aware of the evil plan of the demons , kept silent and didn't bother to, either alert his numerous prophets to warn the people as at that time, or to do something
about it, in order to be ahead of the demons in whatever they plan to do.

This is strange and does not make any sense. As ordinary humans, once we get to know that our enemy is in the know of what we want to do, we don't just sit down and fold our hands.

We do something so that our enemy don't act as a stumbling block to what we intend to achieve.

But from your explanation you have presented your God as clueless and helpless ,who didn't know what to do, and of course that's the reason you're now making excuse on his behalf.

I think your Op is meant for the people in your congregation who need an explanation to assuage their doubt about the authenticity of the Jesus story so they can continue to believe

It was a mistake on your part to have brought it here.

Borntosmoke:
I swear this brighton no get sense . What is arsenal playing that is difficult to beat them

Are you a Brighton fan?

babasolution:
Disgraceful LovePeddler,south Nigeria women are ratchet whores

No they're not. It's because you're very uncivilized and a bigot that's why you think so.

lightnlife:
If any of you is truly willing to learn the logic around Christianity, feel free to ask your questions with an open mind.

It appears you've been exposed to fundamental lies and half-truths about Christianity all along.

triplechoice, fman, AntiChristian

All I've done here is to explain 25 Dec in its most logical way.

Don't mind me . Just having a laugh.

I don't think it matters now when Jesus was born. What matters is what the whole world has made of it; an holiday season for sending and receiving love.
It's only a sadist that would feel unhappy about that.

Merry Christmas!

So one of the numerous Christians who claim to have personal relationship with Jesus can't find out directly from him when he was actually born to settle this matter?

MaxInDHouse:
Self medication?
Walahi talahi atheists no get shame!

So you decided to commit suicide shey?

But i will still help you!

Directives do come with all medicines so you must BELIEVE (TRUST) in the guidance otherwise you will not get the benefits!

I'm not an atheist so don't label me one.

If I have an headache and decide to buy Panadol to relieve the pain, and it works,it's not trying to commit suicide. Nearly everyone has done that. It's first aid before anything else.

And FYI that's self medication which is not wrong in that instance.


So stop the pretence and wailing because you have also done that unless you want to lie as usual.

jaephoenix:
As a physician, I get what you mean exactly. Lots of religious fruitcakes around here. Yesterday, a woman walked into my consulting room. I greeted her and asked her what was the complaint. Auntie tell me say Devil get hypertension. I asked her to repeat, she told me the same thing. I took a minute to process what she said. Finally figured out she's hypertensive and non complaint. Another one swore she wasn't hypertensive but her diastolic for 3 visits is nothing less than 120mmhg.
I can go on but you have to help the fruitcakes whether they like it or not. Its your duty.
About the "Doctor's can only treat but it's God that heals" bullshit, I tell the cretards, you should have stayed home and gotten your healing instead of bothering me. But here you are leaving the comfort of your home, driving through traffic, paying money and waiting in line to get treatment. Something that you could have gotten by just getting on your knees and complain to your skydaddy and in minutes youre good
So ignore MadMax and his bros here. Or at best reverse-psyche him too. 2 can play that game

I just ignored him now. Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
You only need to calm down so as to get the sense of what i'm saying.

The drug works in your system but you must BELIEVE (TRUST) the physician otherwise you either refuse to take in the drug or misuse it, either way you can't get the benefits!

For the last time, who is the physician for person who self medicate?

Modified. I noticed you just changed your position. You have argued all along that drugs can't work without trust or believe in the physician, now, you have suddenly turned around to accept that drugs works in the system, but one must trust in the physician to avoid misuse.

You're not stable, oga Maximus.

Cheers and have a happy holiday period.

jaephoenix:
For sake of your sanity, leave MadMax alone. What he's doing is a form of gaslighting. Nigga is catching cruise, he's not doing any religious interpretation. I have figured him out and I'm avoided him. But if you receive some certain joy in banging your head against a rock, please continue with him

My replies are not meant for him alone. They're so many others here who think and believe like him.

Offline I have them around me. When you try to explain to them what causes medicine to work, they would reject it with "forget it, without God medicine can't work"

I'm sure you're familiar with the statement, "Doctor's can only treat but it's God that heals"
If you visit any hospital owned by a church, that's the notice that welcomes people.

MaxInDHouse:
The same way blind belief will not make sound counsel work for you, you must PRACTICALLY apply divine counsel before you can get it's benefits.
That's where BELIEVE (TRUST) in God comes in because He knows better than you do just as the physician knows better than you regarding the drug prescribed.

Thank you!

You have gone on another track.
With medications ,once it gets into your system, your body reacts to effect a cure without you doing anything of your own,. Your body chemistry reacts. That's all.

People who are unconscious are sometimes given injections which works, without them aware of what they have received during that period.

Why is it difficult for you understand something as simple as this.

You're trying to use your religious beliefs to interpret medical science, and that's where the problem lies for you.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ there's nothing the earth lack if nobody travel to the moon.
So back to the OP drugs can't work without the user's belief in the physician's prescriptions!

It's obvious you don't even understand anything in the op.

It's not about relying on those who practice medicine, Doctors, but on the effectiveness of their practice itself.

You're conflating the two as one in order to confuse people.

Your belief or trust in any doctor ,who is attending to you, is not what's going to make the drugs they prescribe work for you. Even a child in primary school should know this, but you, with your age and experience says no?

If drugs can't work, as you have declared, without the user's belief in the physician, what then makes it to work for those who do self medication without any doctor's prescription?

Babies don't need to trust in physicians before vaccines can work for them, and that's if they even understand what is being given to them at that moment of their lifes

Dtruthspeaker:
My enemy, you changed post after I gave you your words which is proof you have nothing to say. Your attempt to reargue is just a waste of your time.

You're your own enemy because you lie to yourself all the time.

None of my words is proof of what you're imagining. It's your own jaundiced interpretation which no one else has accepted.

I think wasted my time dragging that with you. I should have known that you can't comprehend simple statements made by anyone.