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Ayo13945:
Why do most Atheist find it easier to accept a
religion like Buddhism, but are less tolerant
to Abrahmaic Religions such as: Christianity,
Islam or Judaism.

In essence what appeal does Buddhism have that
the Big 3 (Religions) don't.

It depends on the form of Buddhism one is exposed to as there are traditional Buddhist groups whose practises and beliefs are a put off for an atheist or the irreligious.

The form of Buddhism tolerated by the irreligious is the modernised one that places emphasis on rationality and meditative practises to take charge of one's mind.

Here, adherents are advised to subject anything they hear or read to rational analysis before accepting it. It doesn't matter if it's coming from a high ranking religious figure within the group or if what you read is contained in Buddhist scripture. But this is not so in the two major abrahamic religion where truth is only found in the Bible/Koran or from a respected pastor/Imam

Infact in modern Buddhism any practice or belief that has been proven scientifically to be unhelpful or harmful is discarded.

Also, there's no concept of God in Buddhism. The Buddha, the founder of the religion, is not deified or worshipped as a God. It is due to this Buddhism has been described as an atheistic religion

Furthermore, Buddhist don't attempt to convert of force their religion on anyone. You're advised to take your time to explore the teachings first before making the decision to join. No treat of hell fire or eternal damnation if you decide it's not for you.They allow you be and because of this they are tolerated.

And again modern Buddhism don't discriminate against women. They allow for equal participation

Finally, I already mentioned it before, the main attraction and why the irreligious or atheist is more tolerant of Buddhism, is the meditative practises which has been proven to provide salutory effect on the brain/mind. Atheist and non atheist, not all though, practise some form of Buddhist meditation to take charge of their mind. If you can't control your mind, then it becomes difficult to have control over your life.

BTW I'm not an atheist. You can describe me as agnostic or just irreligious.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/why-do-buddhists-meditate/zdt9f4j

How is a 24 year old "a kid sister"?

Inspite of age, you and your parents still think she is a child that needs protection?

Just get closer to her and treat like a friend and an adult . Once you do that, she would confide in you ,and then you would be in a better position to advise her.

She needs to be talked to and not caged or beaten.

The issue here is simple.

Is harmatiology the study of harmatia? I said no from the beginning.

You were the one who insisted harmatiology is the study of harmatia. You were denying and at point were ambivalent in order to convenient shift position to the one that favours you, untill I provided evidence from your own comment.


Does harmatia translate to sin. No, it doesn't. It was a mistranslation in the early English Bible., and I
proven how .It's not Just what I imagined, but what finds support amomgs scholars who know the truth about those translations. Anyone can research this to arrive at the truth.

Harmatia doesn't translate to sin because both terms don't share the same meaning. A word can only translate to another if they share the exactly the same meaning or near meaning. Both terms, harmatia and sin, are worlds apart . They don't translate correctly.

Concerning harmatia as a medical term, I never said there's a dictionary entry for it. I only mentioned that to announce other places where the word is currently being used. Go back to my comments to confirm.

The link I shared was to show where, and not that it's a generally accepted definition yet in dictionaries.

Harmatiology is derived from the Greek word harmatia , but that doesn't mean it's current use has anything to do with its word origin..

There are lot's of words in English language that are no longer connected semantically to their origin.

Unfortunately, one half educated human being here who only reads Wikipedia without corraborating anything he reads, think otherwise and has been desperately trying to connect harmatiology with its origin in order to win an argument.

You win

English dictionaries have defined harmatia the same below.
It's not associated with sin because it has nothing to do with that. It's only within Christianity that harmatia is associated with sin and that's because the word was wrongly translated to mean that by early translators of the Greek Bible to English. You are not aware of this fact of the mistranslation.

The irony of your behaviour is that given your reputation on this board as an antichristian, you have been blindly supporting some of the falsehoods in Christianity each time you declare that harmatia translate to sin correctly when doesn't.
You're really confused. Totally confused
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hamartia

Maynman:
I give you a challenge here.There's no dictionary entry that describes harmatiology as been associated with literature and medicine. If you find any such descriptions that matches the ones you have concoted in your dull brain in any of the top 10 reliable dictionaries ,please post it here.





Pure Jargons.
Simply tell us Tell us the name of the religion that uses “sin” before Christianity?
Also tell us the religion that uses “god” as a supreme deity before Christianity.
The link you sent said NOTHING about the etymology of sin.


In yoruba “god” is called orisha.
The head of orishas is Olorun. Olorun means ruler of heaven.
Yahweh doesn’t mean “god”
“god” originally doesn’t mean supreme beings, it became that during Christianity translation, if you are sure of your jargons tell us the religion that uses “god” to mean supreme deity before Christianity

If you look up the origin of the words “Chukwu, the Edos, Osanubua.” It doesn’t mean “god”
First start your learning by finding out what “god” means before it was used in the New Testament to translate “theos” and “deus”.

Listen boy, Harmatia was used to translate chata to greek language.
Then sin was used to translate harmatia to English language.
The original Writings of New Testament and Old Testament is greek and hebrew.
English “sin” was a later later translation by English writers


How many times will you say your “final words” bwahahahaha

I keep saying it , you don't have all the facts.


I have taken my time to explain the mistranslation of chata as harmatia and harmatia as sin in both the Greek and English Bibles.

If you pretend not
to see it, that's your business.
There are articles online treating the mistranslation of chata as harmatia and harmatia as sin.


Harmatia doesn't translate to sin because sin doesn't mean missing the mark. Simple.


If you don't know the meaning of the word sin(you already admit it has no meaning) before it was used as translation in the English Bible then please tell me how do you know it translate correctly as harmatia?

You're only trying to confuse yourself not me.


Besides, why should I continue to argue with somebody like you who has ignorantly claimed that harmatia is a Greek word that is not found in English dictionaries, whereas there's an entry for it with the meaning explained..

You have a phone go online and do a comprehensive research on harmatia as a word associated with literature and recently also a medical term, and stop depending only what you read from Wikipedia.

Your arrogant blindness is really working against you.
https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/hamartia




You can continue to quote me.

Maynman:
You are lost, Can’t you read?
Tell us the name of the religion that uses “sin” before Christianity?
Also tell us the religion that uses “god” as a supreme deity before Christianity.
The link you sent said NOTHING about the etymology of sin.

Sin goes beyond old English.

Hehehehe.

Just imagine the nonsense talk.

Before the event of organised rellgion our primitive forbears have a word for what they collectively refer to as "God" or the supreme deity.

For instance, in Yoruba language, "God" is called Olorun .

The Ibos, Chukwu, the Edos, Osanubua.

So whatever, religion you practice or don't practice within in any given society, there's a general word for the supreme deity or what people call God.

Disagreement comes in when each Religious group try to give a personal name to this supreme deity which they all believe exist.
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Take this final word from me.
Harmatiology is derived from the word harmatia because harmatia was used in the Septuagint as mistranslation for "chata" sin"
Sin is not" missing the mark" and so harmatia doesn't translate to it.
Go and research this .

Maynman:
You said nothing.
Send another link that says the same thing

What’s the origin of the word “sin”
Which religion uses it to mean violations to god?
What’s the origin of the word “god”

You can continue basking in ignorance!

You're confused. So Christianity is the only religion practiced in the world?
Go through the link I shared and get the answers you are asking

The English people of the past had their own traditional religion.

[quote author=Maynman post=118284628]The same can be said for “sin”, if sin wasn’t used in new king james bible it won’t be in Christianity.
Christianity didn’t create the word “sin”
Sin too is a neutral term that has nothing to do with violations.
You lied, “sin refers to the violation of moral laws and the laws of God” that’s a LIE!


Harmatiology is the study of harmatia![/quote
What are saying? Are you listening to yourself at all
Before a word in any language is used as translation for another word in another language it must have a meaning associated] with it.

Translators don't use meaningless words in their translation.

You don't know the meaning of sin before it was used in the English Bible. That's actually the problem you have.
Here below s the meaning of sin before it vwad used in the Bible.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/what-is-sin. You can continue to argue blindly.. I am done for now.

The reason the word hamartia is used in Christianity is because of its use in the Septuagint.

But the use has been proven to be incorrect.. You're unaware of this fact.

Harmatia doesn't translate ro sin because sin before it was used in the English Bible, refers to the violation of moral laws and the laws of God

Harmatia is a morally neutral term that has nothing to do with any such violations.

The mistranslation is similar to what Ajayi crowther did by wrongly translating Satan as Esu in the Yoruba Bible..

Till today some uninformed Christians in Nigeria would argue blindly that Esu is the same as Satan and that Ajayi was correct.

Maynman:
Harmatiology is the study of sin.
What’s sin in greek language?
If you can’t comprehend what i said then it’s your on you.
What is the definition of sin?
What’s the definition of harmatia?

Show us the entry of harmatiology. Are you backtracking now?

Below are your own words. You can't deny it now.

Maynman:
Harmartiology is simply the study of harmatia!.
These are greek words that existed before Christianity was created in rome.

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I don't need to upload any definitions. The ones you shared has confirmed my position.

Below is from Collins dictionary.
Harmatia The one you uploaded has been edited. Anybody' following can go online to so a quick check to confirm

Maynman:
I give you a challenge here.There's no dictionary entry that describes harmatiology as been associated with literature and medicine. If you find any such descriptions that matches the ones you have concoted in your dull brain in any of the top 10 reliable dictionaries ,please post it here.


You said a bunch of nothing.
The tanakh was written in hebrew and cheta was used.
New Testament was originally written in greek, hence chata was converted to harmatia. “Sin” was a later translation of harmatia and chata, not the other way round.
“ Chata and harmatia are equivalent, but only literally. Both terms were drawn from spear throwing and archery respectively”
This is a complete LIE, you just keep ranting without dropping your reliable links yet you blabbing about how Wikipedia is not reliable.

Harmatiology is the study of harmatia. “Harmatia” is not a English word, so which English dictionary do you expect to see a greek word in it, if you are wise you’ll first translate what’s sin in greek language then you get your definition.

Can you send your own reliable sites?
You just said a whole lot of jargons.

What you uploaded defined harmatiology as the study of sin. None has defined it they way you did. So what's your point?

Are you changing the goalpost?. You have been insisting that harmatiology is the study of harmatia. I said you were wrong. Has the above not shown you were wrong. Where is harmatia in those definitions?

Harmatia has nothing to do with sin. It's a morally neutral term. There are entries for harmatia in English dictionaries..

English language has borrowed from other languages too,; Latin, French, Greek etc. If you don't know this ,why should I continue to argue with you.

Hamartia doesn't translate to sin. It was a mistranslation in the English Bible. This is something that is known as a fact outside of Christianity.

Take your time to read what I wrote or you do further research on this.

Below is a description of harmatia in an Englishdictionary. Other dictionaries in English have the same description for harmatia. Search out for them. You have data.

Maynman:
The Old Testament talks about “cheta” which translates to sin in ENGLISH LANGUAGE , and the greek equivalent is “harmatia” which translates to sin in ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
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The above explanations are incorrect and misleading, but unfortunately you keep repeating them.

You don't have all the facts and have relied only on what you cherry picked from articles in Wikipedia which lacks the necessary background information to make you understand them fully.

It's only within Christianity and amongs Christian apologists that those translations are accepted as correct. Outside, they have been rejected and labeled a mistranslation..

Chata and harmatia are equivalent, but only literally. Both terms were drawn from spear throwing and archery respectively. In those sports when you failed to hit your target, you "miss the mark or target" due to mistake or error.

Nobody would accuse you of sin or offending anyone if you failed to hit your target. It doesn't make sense anyone should.

It's in this sense of missing your target or goal either by mistake or error of judgment that both chata and harmatia were understood by users of those terms in the Hebrew and Greek languages . It was in the same sense that Aristotle, the first person to use the term, harmatia, defined it in his peotics.


However, when Chata was used in the Hebrew Bible it's meaning became dependent on the context in which the word was used; it was used either literally or figuratively; chata in certain Instances in the Hebrew Bible was used as a metaphoric reference for acts of transgressions,"sin" against man and God .

Take note that I have put "sin", in quotes. This is because the way "sin"is viewed in Judaism is not exactly the same as it's conceptualised in Christianity ; harmatiology.

In Judaism for instance, Chata,,"sin" is regarded as a mistake that people can easily make amends for and move on with life, but in Christianity ,sin is not by mistake. Every sin is attached with excessive guilt and regarded as acts of transgressions against God.

It's a known fact that once a particular word takes on a new meaning in a different context in which it's used, it can no longer serve as substitute for its exact equivalent in that same language nor can it translate to its exact literal equivalent in another language.

But unfortunately, Jewish scholars who translated the Hebrew Bible into the Greek Bible, the Septuagint, continued to translate chata as harmatia not minding the context where the meaning had changed.This created confusion for later translators from the Greek Bible to other languages.

Harmatia has been described by Greek scholars who understand the language very well as a morally neutral term that as nothing whatsoever to do with "sin" or acts of transgressions either literally or figuratively.

Since "sin" is the issue of contention here, sorry you're in error my friend, Chata when it metaphorically refers to "sin" or acts of transgressions in the Hebrew Bible, doesn't translate as harmatia in Greek Bible..

It was this mistranslation of chata as harmatia,"sin" that made translators of the English Bible to erroneously translate harmatia or chata as "sin" in every instances they came across those terms in the either the Hebrew or Greek Bibles.

For instance, in judges 20. 16, certain stone throwers were described as having the ability to "aim at an hair breath and not "chata" in the Hebrew Bible(harmatia in Greek Bible) , which was later erroneously translated as "aim at an hair breath and not sin" in the English Bible . The translation in this context doesn't make any sense. Here Chata was used literally, but was translated as sin.

However, some of this obvious mistranslation have been corrected but some left untouched

And till today Christian apologists everywhere still argue that harmatia is the word for sin in Greek when it's not. I believe they do this to maintain the sanctity of the Bible because if the truth of those mistranslations becomes public knowledge then it would cast doubt on the authenticity of those documents especially when it's believed amongst Christians that the disciples of Jesus actually wrote parts of the New testament in Greek, whereas it was Early Church fathers who created those stories using false authorship known as pseudography.

I give you a challenge here.There's no dictionary entry that describes harmatiology as the study of harmatia or any entry associating harmatia with sin. If you find any such descriptions that matches the ones you have concoted in your head in any of the top 10 reliable dictionaries ,please post it here.

And please nothing from Wikipedia. That site is not a reliable one. It's a dumping ground for anything both good and bad. Anybody can place and edit anything there to promote their personal agenda or group agenda. Unless you can verify what you read thete, then stay off. But I have noticed you don't bother to confirm anything you read there.
You have swallowed a lot of nonsense from that site which I have observed you used most times in blind arguments with others on this board.

Listen, “Sin” is an English word, the latins, french, greek or Hebrew people that are Christians won’t call it “sin”.
“Sin” is the English translation of Greek “harmatia” in the Christian theology.
This is basic..

And you expect me not to know this?

The reason I kept asking for the meaning of those terms was to find out what you really know.

But I confirmed from your replies you don't know much and were just clutching at straws in Wikipedia.

You don't know all of the meaning attached to harmatia in Greek language and sin in old English before they were used , but are certain they were correct translations for chata.


I have proven you have limited information and been using that to confidently assertt things that are only true within Christianity and not elsewhere.

Harmatiology is not the study of harmatia. The term, harmatia, is associated with literature and only recently in medicine.

So anytime you declare that falsehood, Just know you're generalising. And it's even worse that you're using what is only true in Christianity to do that.
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I replied to your mention, I’m chilled, don’t fret, you are trying too hard!
I overestimated you, I didn’t know you were this basic, I’ll come down to your level now.

Your cockiness is for nothing. It is waste. It doesn't affect me.

I wanted to reply immediately, but when I read the above nonsense, I felt you were not worth my time. I have better things to do. And decided to reply when I have the time to spare.

Anyone following who has taking the time to read what I have carefully explained above is in a better position to judge for themselves.

Maynman:
“Sin” is not a Christian word.

I know that and don't think there's really anything like Christian word. Christianity is practiced by humans not aliens that may use non human language to communicate.

I am concerned with the meaning of the word, sin, a human language, in Christianity where the word is currently and mostly used .
I said I will be back. Be patient

Maynman:
This is getting lame.

I will respond more to this later when I am less busy.

But in the maintime does the word, sin, mean a failure in Christianity?. Yes or no

The op is concerned with sin as Christians understand it and not any other

It appears to mean you're running away from something.

I will be back to point this out

Maynman:
An English word with a meaning.
Just as cheta and harmatia has a meaning lol

The bible used by Christians was not originally written in English, this are later translations.

An English word with a meaning. What is the meaning?

Maynman:
That’s a basic error, you are trying too hard.
Harmatiology is the study of harmatia.
Harmatiology is the study of sin.

This term is used in christian theology, who is supposed to study it?

Then what is sin? Just a word?

Maynman:
Ooh man.
Is “sin” a Christian theology?
What’s sin in Hebrew? What’s sin in greek?
“Sin” is not a Hebrew or greek word.
I don’t know why you are finding it hard to understand that harmatiaology is the study of harmatia lol.

Harmatiology, not harmatiaology wrongly spelt by you, is the study of sin, harmatia. Ok

The word,Sin has it's origin in old English/Latin.

So who are those currently involved in studying harmatia

Maynman:
You are yet to understand, because the picture is not even talking about the etymology of “harmatia” but HOW IT IS BEEN USED IN THE CHURCH.

Christianity was created years after jesus had died. As you see harmatia was used to replace “chata” in Hebrew.
What does “chata” mean in Hebrew?SIN
This is explanatory enough, read.
Can’t you see in “Christian theology”
New Testament explained jesus teachings, jesus spoke hebrew and Aramaic.
Is the church teaching a different thing from jesus teachings?

I have seen the screenshot ,but you're missing something.

Is harmatia a Christian theology ? If it's, how? Explain

I am not a Christian, but understand this better than you through past association with the rellgion. You have an outsider perspective of the whole thing.

What's correctly understood by those who use it in Christianity, is that hamartiology is part of church theology, while harmatia is just the concept of sin that is connected to it.

You're discussing what you don't fully understand. Those Google research and screenshots are not helping you.

Maynman:
Okay, read slowly.
The reason harmatia is used and studied in Christianity or the church is because, New Testament was written in Greek.

Before Christianity was created in rome, greek philosophers centuries before, already used the term!

We are not talking about the reason for it's use in Christianity or it's origin, that's beside the point, but what it has come to mean as used in discussing church theology or hamartiology

You seem hung up on the etymology of the word and don't understand that the meaning of words are not fixed laws. Through usage, words can evolve into new forms or given different or additional definition that may be far removed from it's
origin.

What is harmatia as it's understood within the church? Your answer please

Maynman:
It has nothing to do with the study of theos(theology)

What is harmatia as it concerns Christianity or the church. That's the correct context.
Let's begin from there before connecting it with anything.

[quote author=Maynman post=117696869]Theology means study of theos.
Harmatiaology means study of harmatia.

Grab that first![/quote
And what's harmatia?

Maynman:
Just to correct that notion that the first link wasn’t Brittanica.
And harmatia and harmatiaology means same thing, common greek words borrowed by early church fathers when writing New Testament, jesus or his disciples spoke Aramaic and hebrew. What is it called in their language?

The fact that harmatia is used in church theology doesn't make it an idealogy. Hamartiology is an idealogy, while Hamartia is not.

This is the difference you're yet to grasp. Harmatia is for explaining the theology of hamartiology

Maynman:
The first site you sent wasn’t britannica.

It doesn't matter. The meaning is the same as the first

Maynman:
And ignorance is not bliss.

There's danger in knowing just a single story.. Chimamanda Adichie

You know a part of the 'story"; harmatia, but not everything, so don't rest until you know what others know that you don't know .

Ignorance is certainly not bliss. I agree with that, but take your own medicine first before offering it to others


The op is dealing not on word origin but on church theology
The focus should be on that. The thread has been badly derailed by you.

Maynman:
Why are you sending me a literature site, send me the origin of the word “harmatia” and you see how Christianity borrowed the idea.
And not to forget, jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic and hebrew.
It was hundreds of years after, that New Testament was written in Greek.

You asked how it's tragic flaw. Britannica is not literature site. See below

Maynman:
Ignorance is not bliss. Study of harmatia is harmatiology

There are things you are also ignorant of like everyone else

Maynman:
Harmartiology is simply the study of harmatia!.
These are greek words that existed before Christianity was created in rome.

He made a wrong assertion that harmatia comes from ham, and that’s brutal lie.

Can you send me a link to the harmatia from the Drama you did research on?

See below. No need for the quarrel. Nobody knows everything. I have also learnt from you concerning the issue at hand.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/literaryterms.net/hamartia/amp/

Yes, but the difference is that hamartiology is an ideology ( theology) while harmatia is not even if connected to the latter

Maynman:
“ Harmatia comes from the root word Ham”

Can you send a link to this?

Sorry, I wanted to say they may share the same origin.

The op deals with the ideology of hamartiology and not Just the origin of the word alone

I thought you should have focused on that, instead of making it seem as if he is focused on the etymology of the word. This quarrel on the thread would not have happened.

If you do your research very well you cannot fail not to see that those terms share the same idea behind them.

Fatal flaw is the weakness of the tragic hero which leads to downfall, while sin in hamartiology is also regarded has weakness in Christianity . This is what makes the origin almost the same.

Lol
In drama, one of the genres of literature, harmatia means the fatal flaw which leads to the downfall of the hero or heroine in the play, while hamartiology is part of the church theology which deals with the doctrine of sin.

Even though both terms share the same etymology, they don't mean the same thing at all. A lion and a tiger are from the same cat family but not the same kind of wild animal.

Harmatia is one of the major feature of drama, while hamartiology which is the subject matter of the op is part of church ideology that has to do with sin.

The op is certainly on the right track No need for the confusion

ReubenSandwich:
I've been reading some of your posts on other topics, and I'd like to have some discussions with you about social issues and what to do about them. I don't want to start a new thread for it. I looked for a thread where you've posted recently, and this looks like it might be the best one for that. I'll post some thoughts, and maybe you'll have some comments or questions about them..

ok.

I think that all the cruelty, violence and oppression that we're seeing will continue and even get worse, for 50, 100, or 150 years or maybe even more, no matter what anyone does. I think that things will stop getting worse and start getting better after a few generations of people learning to train their children in ways that will mostly stop the cruelty, violence and oppression from happening. .

The problem is that, not everyone is willing to learn how to train a child in the right way.Some parents who don't understand anything about basic child psychology are applying the wrong methods with terrible results which they refuse to own responsibility for.

I once had a discussion with a colleague who is a Christian that believes in not sparing the rod. I tried to explain to him that the advice in the Bible should not be followed as it could result in child trauma.
The next thing he said was, do I know more than God that put that verse in the Bible. After he said this, I knew it would be waste of time to continue with the conversation and I kept quiet making him to believe he was right.

So I ask you ,do you also believe in not sparing the rod?

That's part of a larger process that I see happening of people all around the world learning to work with their neighbors to help make the community life in their neighborhood or village healthier, happier and more loving for every person in it.

Before we start to see more of this happening the correct foundation must be laid; more people who have been raised or trained to be willing to work with others to ensure peace in our different communities.

What are parents teaching their children and who is monitoring the process , especially in our own part of the world where anything goes?

I don't think that there's anything that anyone can do to stop the cruelty, violence and oppression from getting worse for many more years, but anyone who wants to can help reduce the damage to people's lives by learning to be a better friend to more people, a person that's safe, easy, fun and helpful person to talk to for all kinds of people in all kinds of situations.

Some persons are not willing to accept your offer of friendship and wouldn't let you know this but pretend.

They prefer to cause harm to you even when you are not posing any danger to them. How do we deal with such people ?

Another way to help reduce the damage is in that kind of community development that I described above.

Certain conditions must be met before that can start happening
Individually and as groups efforts are being made to reduce the damage and some of us can see the results.

I think we should focus more on the successes and not dwell too much on what is not been done right. We are not going to have a perfect world for everyone. That's the truth about the world we live in.

In relation to discussions about religion, I think that people can learn lessons from the Bible if they want to, about how to live the best life they can, studying and practicing together to learn to live the way Jesus says to live. To learn the best lessons, they might need help from some kinds of Christian books.

Why only the Bible and Christian books? Christianity doesn't have all the answers. We can equally learn one or two things from other religion.
These days most people are learning yoga or practice meditation from Buddhism to take charge of their minds. These practices currently finds scientific support and have been proven to provide salutory effect to the mind or body.