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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 5:59pm On Dec 23, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ there's nothing the earth lack if nobody travel to the moon.
So back to the OP drugs can't work without the user's belief in the physician's prescriptions!

Ok. Almighty Maximus that created the earth to know what it would lack or not lack if man didn't go to the Moon.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 3:08pm On Dec 23, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
When there's no sense in something there's nothing you can say to convince right thinking persons. Just know that whatever makes you take drugs you're already a BELIEVER in the manufacturers of the drug you swallowed!

How does this response of yours relates to the benefits of going to the Moon that you were so eager to know, and which I have already explained?

It's not enough to just blab that there's no sense in something without showing how.

So your latest response is wayward and without any sense.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 2:51pm On Dec 23, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ moon landing hasn't brought anything different with or without traveling there we are OK on this planet.
So tell me what the earth will lack if nobody travel to the moon!

You're just turning round in circles. The question you just asked is not different from the one you have asked before.

What the earth would lack if man didn't not go to the Moon are the benefits we are all currently enjoying from it.

I have already mentioned one, communication satellites and any other kind of satellites.

Your responses keep confirming what feared at the beginning . I know you won't make sense of the benefits of going to the Moon.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 10:28am On Dec 23, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Were people COMMUNICATING on telephones before moon landing?
YES!
So it's not moon landing that brought telephones.

Oh my God!
Where did I say Moon landings brought phones?

I am talking of communication satellites which is used for internet connectivity and others, and not just phones.

I wonder why you're blind to the word,satellite, in that expression, communication satellite. You have been mentioning communication in isolation as if it's the same.

You have already shown us when the first analogue phone was invented and used, but the first communication satellite was launched in 1962 ,years after that

Please try to understand what I am talking about.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 9:26am On Dec 23, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
Look at it, even here you spoke rubbish and calling on me to "focus on you" and prove it, and I have shown you your own words and now you have again shifting post to insult me because you can not reasonably and truthfully answer me as always happens, so why would hate me?

You have nothing valid and reasonable to say you just want to insult me in your pain.

My friend, you don't not have any evidence of anything you said I implied.

I expect you to read the preceding clause of that statement to understand the correct thing I said

Here below was what I typed initially where 'the word, 'how' was skipped

"I know that medical science is not magic, so could I have boasted it can't fail. "

From the above, If I already admitted in the preceding statement that medical science is not magic, how does it make sense for me to go ahead to boast it can't fail?

Magic is not expected to fail, but I said medical science is not magic, meaning it's not infallible.

I have edited the post long before you posted your reply to read the correct thing.

"I know that medical science is not magic, so how could I have boasted it can't fail. "

There's no way it make sense for me to negate myself in the same statement.

This sort of thing has happened between me and Maximum recently . And unlike you , inspite of the heated argument we were having, he was still charitable enough to let me know that I made a typing mistake, but said he still understood correctly what I wanted to type.

But you're dishonest person who is looking for any means to make me say what I never meant.

You failed woefully. Try next time.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 7:30pm On Dec 22, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
The Truth is you hate me because you guys can not reasonably and validly argue against me, hence your frustration and anger and insult.

You're never reasonable or logical in most of the things you say.

So why should anyone hate you for that. You deserve pity and not hatred

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 7:19pm On Dec 22, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
Is this not your statement you used to attack mine?

Even here do you prove and show your trust and boast in medicine.

To trust in something is not a guarantee you must benefit from it.

You don't think before you type and post

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 7:01pm On Dec 22, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ no benefits if you can't list it.
Communication is out because telephone has been in use for more than 90 years before the moon landing.
So whether people travel to the moon or not communication will work here on this planet.
Say another thing joh!

You don't know what is communication satellite and what it's used for. That's the problem.

And you don't want to know.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 6:55pm On Dec 22, 2022*

Dtruthspeaker:
The argument is clear na. You all impliedly boast that drugs work all the time, so we are here to remind you that it does not..

Please focus on me alone, and show me the statement or statements I made that confirms what you're accusing me of .

You just can't say I implied something without any proof.

I know that medical science is not magic, so how could I have boasted it can't fail.

You should cover your face in shame for this dishonest attempt of yours in trying to accuse me of something I never implied at anytime.

You said what you said and you saw my counter which made you change post to "awareness".

What is with the vague, "you said what you said"

You're hiding now.
SHM.
I always try to avoid you because I know that you're never coherent and sincere in most of the things you say.

You just blab nonsense all the time.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 4:54pm On Dec 22, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Communication deceit!
Telephone discovered ~ 1876
First moon landing ~ 1969

So tell me how come the benefits got here before moon landing!

Lol
I said communication satellites, oga Maximus.

You have just confirmed why I said I don't want to stress myself listing the benefits.

I already know you would struggle to understand them.
I think one of your awake magazines has an article on Moon landing. Search for it . I'm sure more detailed information concerning the benefits would be there to help you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 3:04pm On Dec 22, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell nothing as you can't list any!

It's better you do that yourself . I don't want stress myself explaining how some of these benefits were derived from going to the Moon.

If I tell you, for instance, that one of the benefits is communication satellites, which makes it possible for the conversation we are having right now, I fear you may struggle to understand how it came from going to the Moon.

People like you think that going to the Moon was for sightseeing, and that's exactly why you can't see any benefits.

Communication satellites is one of the benefits of going to the Moon. I just listed one. Go and search for the others or ask your child at home .
Don't be scared of knowing the truth yourself. You have a phone that's internet enabled. It won't take you time.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 12:17pm On Dec 22, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
It is because you boast that drugs work all the time, hence showing that the drug did not work is also in the issue.

Nobody here has boasted that drugs work all the time

You said "trust" I proved "trust" and not awareness, so change of post!

Where and when did you "proved trust"
Can trust exist without self awareness?

Oga ,go rest. You're clutching at straws

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 11:53am On Dec 22, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
And we see that many do not come back

Whether they come back or not is not the issue here,but if they can trust while in that condition for them to benefit from the medical attention they're receiving.

And could you please explain what made those who came back to come back ,since you and your friends believe that without trust it wouldn't be possible.

Babies already trust.

So babies have the awareness to know what treatment they're receiving?

If for instance it's vaccination , new born babies can trust in it because they're aware of what is being done by the person vaccinating them?

How many of such babies have you interviewed to determine if they have the awareness to trust in medical science?

You seem to derive some kind of pleasure from the nonsense you type and post
on Nairaland. You don't care ,since nobody can see you physically.

Do you talk like this as a lawyer that you claim to be offline?

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 9:13am On Dec 22, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Oya tell me the BENEFITS derived from going to the Moon!

So many benefits. You can Google it if your child attending school can't list them for you.

They should have been taught that in school already.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 9:07am On Dec 22, 2022

jaephoenix:
Youre going far. What about psychotic patients that are physically restrained and on intravenous injections prescribed by the psychiatrist? Do they need to trust or abide by the doctors' regimen?
MadMax is at his finest this morning

He thinks he can use his knowledge of the Bible to understand medical science.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Will Always Trust Science More Than Religion by triplechoice(m): 8:35am On Dec 22, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's a physician who knows the effectiveness of a drug that will prescribe it for the patient so the physician already knows what you need it's you (patient) that must BELIEVE (TRUST) the physician and not the other way around!

What of those who are receiving treatment while in coma ,how do they get to trust the physician they're not even aware of?

What of babies too? How does a baby know what it means to trust

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by triplechoice(m): 8:47pm On Dec 21, 2022*

AgentNairaland:
I've read where some female herbalists are involved in ritual acts, some are even caught with human parts

What you read somewhere about a female herbalist is not enough to label anyone who's an herbalist a voodoo practitioner or "ritualist" as you have called it.

The word, herbalist, has been so bastardized in these parts by some uninformed pastors, who have in their various churches brainwashed their congregation with the wrong thing, and also by local newspaper reporters, who should know better, but don't even bother to confirm the true identity of the culprit whose story they are reporting, before tagging them herbalist, thereby leaving the ignorant Nigerian public with the wrong impression that an herbalist is a witchcraft practitioner or "ritualist" .This is very wrong.

It's a known fact that most Nigerian newspapers and magazines are replete with all manner of grammatical blunders and wrong word usage; Nigerian English.

So one shouldn't depend on anyone of them for correct word usage or proper grammar.You would be taught the wrong thing.

Voodoo practitioners ( juju priests) in Nigeria and elsewhere who mostly use human body parts for money rituals, usually have as part of their training, the knowledge of certain herbs which they use, if the need arises, for the treatment and management of the illnesses of those who seek their help.They combine the two different practices as one.

This is why it's not uncommon to find a juju practitioner who also double as an herbalist.

But then, we have lots of trained herbalist everywhere who don't engage in any kind of malevolent voodoo or juju practices of any kind. Those ones, treat and manage the illnesses of those who consult them without combining it with any kind of. voodoo.

Unfortunately, average Nigerians have been miseducated to think that every herbalist must be a juju practitioner or "ritualist" as they like to call them.

I have at various times in the past encountered both those who combine juju with herbal practices and also those who specialised only on local herbs for the treatment and management of certain illnesses.

So ,I know the difference to know who to deal with and who to avoid among the two groups of practitioners.

Those who combine juju or voodoo, (they are the same thing) with herbal practices may unconsciously drag you into what you're not ready for.

During the height of the covid-19 pandemic, most Nigerians were combining different local herbal remedies, garlic, ginger, agbo, etc, to manage what the feared might by symptoms of the virus.

Does it mean then that everyone who did that was involved in juju or what we commonly call rituals?

Voodooism is not the same as herbalism. People should know the difference and stop the wrong tagging of those who are pure herbalist.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 10:01pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
LoLz. This is funny what is AI if not software and why would software not have plasticity when it can be infinitely adjusted. Unlike us biological organisms an AI would be functionally immortal. There is nothing that says AI would not change or adapt. I dunno what makes you say it is fixed.

Any of the current neural network based machine learning capable AI experiments already show that capability of adapting. Right now there are commercial available AI chatbots, the new fad all the banks are using now. Its practically the same code but it can be made to serve lots of different roles or communicate in different languages. Of course we are not at the point where the AI will rewrite its own code but its certainly not an impossibility.

Why do you think its an impossibility? What in science says AI cannot gain sentience?

So where would the consciousness come from in the first place for an AI to change its software by itself and become sentient? Or how would those software change on their own to enable sentience?

The artificial neural networks in modern AI's are not exactly the same as the one in the human brain. They don't form and dissolve exactly the same way.

The former is not flexible while the latter is.
What you're envisioning will never happen.

It's an impossibility for AI' to have sentience because they're machines without any form of life. Life has to be present first before any kind of sentience can happen. It's as simple as that.

There's no general consensus in the sciences where life or consciousness has emerged from. But you seem to be certain where it has emerged to be so sure that one day AI's would become sentient.

And just look at what you wrote up there. You said it's certainly not an impossibility that AI's can rewrite their own codes someday. Ha!

Honestly this is getting crazy

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 8:25pm On Dec 19, 2022*

LordReed:
I don't know what path or conditions will bring it about but I am certain it won't follow biological evolution simply because it is not biological. You seem to want to insist that it must be exactly like a biological organism when it clearly isn't.

It's you that's has not made it initially clear what path that it would take.

Now that you have said it wouldn't be biological, I am going to repeat what I already declared;
AI'S, if they wouldn't evolve biologically and become sentient, would only do so when cats start to talk suddenly.

Why do I say so?

The main mechanism which makes it possible for AI's to replicate human behaviour is fixed and can only change by human intervention.

This is unlike the human brain that can evolve or devolve naturally on its own due to plasticity.

So tell us , How can something that's fixed suddenly change into another thing on its own and start operating differently?

Or do you think someday cars would suddenly grow wings and start to fly?

I am not trying to mock you here, but it's what I can only make from all you have argued so far.

And untill you can show me a little of the science which has inspired what you're envisioning concerning AI's, I would continue to place all you have been saying in the same category as the popular rapture vision of some Pentecostal Christians. We know rapture won't happen . It's crazy talk.

Where's the science about what you think. Let's discuss that, so we stop assuming about what's possible or not possible.

I have already explained that it's an impossibility from a scientific point of view and even from some other position you can think of it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 5:13pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
I really don't see what it has to do with it honestly. AI evolution will not follow biological evolution especially in time scale.

You talk here as if you're sure of how AI evolution would happen.

If AI evolution will not follow biological evolution ,then what gives you the certainty that it would happen the way you think?

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 5:13pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
I really don't see what it has to do with it honestly. AI evolution will not follow biological evolution especially in time scale.

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 5:07pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
Ehh, how does making something evolve mean it didn't evolve?

I told you right now we can increase simulation time in our current day computers, it's not merely a storytelling device.

But we are talking of the possibility of AI's evolving on their own to confirm if life happened by chance from matter.

When we get involved directly in the process, what can we say then? chance or deliberate creation of something?

And no matter what you say about a simulated time, AI's becoming sentient can only happen in real time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 4:17pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
But the show made it somewhat clear that the subjective time of the AI can be much faster than real time. Even with our present day computers we can cause simulations to run at much more than real time. Meaning their evolution won't be as constrained by real time as ours was.

But it's the story teller that has created the much faster subjective time in the show .

Evolution in AI's should happen independently if not, we are creating something and no longer observing it evolve on their own.

Christianity Etc › Re: Matter And Mind by triplechoice(m): 3:34pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
@DeepSight, triplechoice, budaatum, TheSourcerer,

Have you seen the show Westworld? What do you think about it if you have? See it if you haven't, it's quite thought provoking.

Yea. I know about the show and also understand what in the sciences that has inspired it.

It's hoped that in the future AI's may suddenly become sentient or develop their own form of consciousness that would make it possible for an independent existence of their own.

My response to such vision is that it won't see the light of day. It can only happen when cats suddenly start to talk .

What happened in that show can never happen in real life because consciousness evolves ,not at once ,but with time.

It would be a negation of one of the principles of evolution if AI's suddenly become sentient as we saw in Westworld.

The best we can hope for in real life would be AI's that would replicate human behaviour so perfectly well that we may struggle to see any difference between them and a real human being.

Those futuristic AI's, when they become possible, will never be sentient no matter the level of technology used in their production.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Wrote About The Death And Burial Of Moses In Deautoronomy Chapter 34? by triplechoice(m): 1:09pm On Dec 14, 2022

Truvelisback:
Bro, It is Possible. Prophets can see/go into the past, the present and the future.

Lol.
You didn't take your time to read what I explained.

If the description of Moses death and burial was gotten through prophecy,other prophets and even Moses himself ,and not you, would have been the first to highlight it.

You're just speculating because you are in the dark as to who actually wrote what is contained in that Bible verse.

It doesn't make sense that Moses wrote about his death through prophecy.

For what reason?

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Wrote About The Death And Burial Of Moses In Deautoronomy Chapter 34? by triplechoice(m): 9:07am On Dec 14, 2022*

Truvelisback:
Are u trying to say that one cannot prophesy abt his death even b4 it happens?

I am not trying to say so.

Maybe my initial comment was difficult for you to make sense of .

Let me restate it again incase it wasn't too clear enough for you .

A prophecy of something that is yet to happen is not the same as the report of someone's death and burial that has already happened.

Modified. The description of Moses death and burial in Deuteronomy 34, was a report written in the past tense. It wasn't a prophectic declaration by Moses .
In the Bible, prophecy of something that a prophet is certain must happen is written with what is called the prophetic present perfect.
Take note of the verb phrases in the prophetic declarations below; "are gone into" "are famished", "he is passed" "shall shake" ","they have taken" etc, and compare them with the tenses in Deuteronomy 34 . You will find they are not the same.

This brief explanation above is how to determine in the Bible a prophecy which a prophet is certain must happen .
So , you can now see that Moses didn't prophesy about his death or knew about it before hand.

You would need to think of something else to explain what is described in Deuteronomy 34.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Wrote About The Death And Burial Of Moses In Deautoronomy Chapter 34? by triplechoice(m): 10:35pm On Dec 13, 2022

Truvelisback:
U are confusing urself.

Then highlight the confusion for all to see.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Wrote About The Death And Burial Of Moses In Deautoronomy Chapter 34? by triplechoice(m): 9:16pm On Dec 13, 2022

Truvelisback:
He could have done that before his death. Remember that he is a prophet. Prophets have the ability to see into the future.

Prophecy about one's own death that is yet to happen is not the same as writing about one's own death and burial as if it has already happened.

There are not the same thing if really think about it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Married Women Covering Their Face... by triplechoice(m): 7:20pm On Dec 13, 2022

AntiChristian:
O! So why am I arguing with you on religion when you don't believe in any?

Abeg no dey put your mouth in what doesn't concern you!

You're now trying to steer the conversation in another direction because you simply cannot present any reasonable argument why a married muslim woman should completely cover herself with hijab under the scorching sun.

I already told you the reason for "putting my mouth";

Wearing of hijab is part of your religious injunction and not the exercise of personal choice.

You want to mislead the public which I am part of.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Married Women Covering Their Face... by triplechoice(m): 6:43pm On Dec 13, 2022

AntiChristian:
You're right! Many must be dumb and inane to believe God could have sent his son to be murdered!

I am not part of what you want to drag me into.

Islam and christianity are both false religious constructs.

The fault you find in the other one, is also present in yours, but you're blind to it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Married Women Covering Their Face... by triplechoice(m): 6:21pm On Dec 13, 2022

AntiChristian:
And you get brain yourself now? What's your business with someone using the hijab?

As usual, another emotional outburst from you ,without rationally responding to anything I have said.

You don't know the difference between doing things by choice and acting under the influence of a religion.

It's not my business if your sisters are covering themselves completely with hijab, but don't misinform the public that it's by choice.

If it were by choice and a good thing, then we would find lots of non religious persons doing the same thing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Married Women Covering Their Face... by triplechoice(m): 5:54pm On Dec 13, 2022*

AntiChristian:
Wetin concern Holy Spirit with that?

What is foolishness is that you have brain that is unable to think!

People dress nude by choice!
People use Hijab by Choice!
Nincompoops believe the former but not the latter!

Your great grandmas were never as naked as your folks today! That's not bondage from the west!

You accuse someone of not using their brain to think, and at the same time, in a blind rage, ended up not using yours

How are you thinking if you don't even know that there's nothing like dressing nude? A nude person is someone without any kind of clothes. There's nothing dress half nude.

And if you think hijab is by choice and not a religious injunction, then tell that to any protesting Iranian women right now, and come back to narrate your experience.

Putting on a black hijab that covers you completely in a very hot weather is not by choice but evidence of someone under religious hypnotism.

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