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MaxInDHouse:
I will like to believe that you mean to say you're not fighting but arguing.

Well it's normal for ATHEISTS to argue for no just course so true believers only deliver our message and take our leave.

So instead of arguing why not drop your comment on the topic and do the same if you're not an atheist!

Thanks for the correction. That was what I wanted to say. Not fighting you.

Now, is there anything wrong if I quote you in order to respond to what you have said about the topic?

There's no scientific evidence that women were created from the rib of men.

There shouldn't be any such evidence because the Adam and Eve story is a myth. And it doesn't make any sense whatsoever for scientists to waste their time investigating what is obviously a fictional story.

It's only believers that take the story as a true, and it's because they have been made to believe that.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ i'm not hungry for arguments, so if you're OK with your conclusion i won't pester you nah!

I am fighting you but just arguing over something with you, and this is normal here

MaxInDHouse:
Why do you atheists love arguments so much?
In fact it has eaten deep into your skin that you just want to argue at any slight chance with a believer!
Well i used Buhari because all of us here knows him the point of emphasis is having a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with this man even though you can see him vividly!

Now you NEt a Bible study but i'm not sure you WANT it.
Jesus spoke about LOVE for fellow humans in two different settings so try to assimilate which is greater.
@ Mark 12:31 Jesus taught his disciples to love their neighbours as themselves: This implies that what they want for themselves is exactly what they should do to other humans! Matthew 7:12
But @ John 13:34-35 Jesus gave his closest confidants a new commandment having to do with LOVE. This time Jesus said his disciples must have love among themselves just as he love them. This implies that they must be prepared to die for their fellow believers if the need be! John 15:12-13
So even though the enemies wants to kill them they must not raise weapons for the love they have for their fellow believers so they must be ready to die in that case! Matthew 26:52


So stop misquoting me!
Jesus said i must love my neighbours as myself meaning if i don't want to be killed i shouldn't think of killing people but how can i love the one who feels like killing or getting killed due to the love for racism or politics?
So i can only love such ones by not raising weapons against him but as for my beloved JW brother i must risk my life to rescue him for i know he is no part of the world that always think of using violence to settle issues just like me. As for my neighbour to whom i have preached PEACE but he rejected it there's nothing i can do about him when he chose to die for racism or politics!

I am not an atheist Mr Maximus.

And everything you wrote up there has nothing to do with the objections I raised concerning your earliest submission; that it's more profitable to have a personal relationship with an invisible person.

Sorry to say this, it's only a mad man that would annouce to everyone that he is having a personal relationship with an invisible person that no one else can confirm exist. It's mad talk actually.

Please I am not calling you mad, but only judging what you declared.

MaxInDHouse:
Well if you say so, IF YOU SAY SO!

You're very funny. After suggesting yourself that it was not a perfect illustration, you want to be evasive.

Na ur way be dat

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i said "you concluded for me"

Next time just calmly ask thought provoking questions instead of jumping to conclusions after reading people's comments.

Buhari is a human being surely you can't have a PERSONAL relationship with him if you've never been in any organized setting with him!

That's exactly what God's word found at 1John 4:8 is emphasizing.

For instance i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i believe that my fellow believers are in all the countries of the world today, so picking up weapons in support of a politician to kill his own opposers shows lack of sense because it will surely lead into killing my fellow believers whom i supposed to show LOVE. But if i should discard that and go ahead to kill them in support of the politician then where is my LOVE for God when i'm killing my fellow believers with whom i am praising the same God?

That is why an ORGANIZATION of VISIBLE BEINGS comes to mind first before claiming you have a personal relationship with the INVISIBLE SUPREME BEING: GOD!

You have come again with another poor comparison and roundabout talk

It's difficult to confirm your God exist, but not so for Buhari.

The next time it's announced that APC is going to have their presidential campaign, and it's certain that Buhari is sure to attend,just go the campaign venue to confirm he exist.

And know this, there's no where it's mentioned in the Bible that those you must love, must be fellow believers in organisation.

You just want to use the Bible to promote your organisation as the only true and perfect one . It's easy to see that

If you only love those in your organisation, the same Bible says you're not different from a sinner.

The parable of the good Samaritan should let you know to what extent you're expected to demonstrate your love There should be no discrimination.

Finally, 1 John 4: 20 has nothing to do with any visible organisation that one must belong to, before you can have personal relationship with any visible person. That's your own interpretation.

MaxInDHouse:
It's through praying that we can communicate with God i only used texting as an illustration!

Then the illustration wasn't suitable.

MaxInDHouse:
You quoted me out of context!

Now where do you want to keep this part of my post?:



So without an organized people in whose midst LOVE, JOY and PEACE {John 13:34-35} reigns personal relationship with God won't go smoothly for a human being.

That's why God's word nullifies the claim of any personal relationship with God when you can't present a group of worshipers with whom you share the same line of thought in Love!

Please focus on what I drew your attention to in your comment.

It's not about your organisation, but whether it's possible to have a more profitable personal relationship with an invisible person without having it first with a visible person


Your Bible says personal relationship with a visible person is the first step and key to having any kind of good personal relationship with an invisible person.

Are you rejecting that?

Modified. Ok, I get you now. Only members of your organisation are your brothers. Your blood brother who doesn't belong there is not your brother.
Did the Bible make any such distinction in 1John 4:20

MaxInDHouse:
When two persons can see each other visibly communication is made easy but in the case where one is invisible then they have to find other means of communication which is texting and reading just as we're both doing right now!

Would you get a reply from God if you texted him?

MaxInDHouse:
You only need to as why i said it's more profitable instead of concluding for me!

Here below is what you advised.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course a layman will feel this can only be possible between two persons that can see each other but that's a lie it's also possible in fact more profitable when the other party is an invisible person!

In the above, you emphasised that it profits more when you have a personal relationship with an invisible person. Yes or no?

But 1 John 4.20 says, before you can profit from that, you must have a very good personal relationship with a "visible person", if not you're wasting your time.

I didn't conclude for you.

If you don't know how to live harmoniously with those you can see, there's no way you can do that with an invisible person you can't see.

It's what your Bible has adviised ,but you think otherwise.

orisa37:
Holy Books are your Conversations with God.

Who were the persons that wrote the holy books?

MaxInDHouse:
OK let's talk about PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP!

It's the closeness between two persons that leads to personal relationship between them, this has to do with how much both parties know each other. So before two persons can build such a relationship they have to love each other from the heart, share the same feelings and pains. This requires a lot of sacrifices because the two must be ready to do whatever it takes for the happiness of each other.

Of course a layman will feel this can only be possible between two persons that can see each other but that's a lie it's also possible in fact more profitable when the other party is an invisible person!

To be continued.....

This is very funny.
So you mean it's more preferable to have a personal relationship with an invisible person?

The numerous victims of Yahoo boys would never agree to that.

I think it's about time you started investigating the "invisible person"behind your holy book.

One is easily scammed when they don't know the true identity of the person they're relating with.

So this advice of yours is not good enough. You can only profit more by having a personal relationship with a visible person .
In a way, your Bible has told you that below

MaxInDHouse:
Why refer to people who has freedom of choice as "STUBBORN" for resisting your theory?

I'm beginning to see reasons with one brother who once told me that evolutionists are trying to force their story on everyone but first they have to attack Adam and Eve story.

So whoever say "NO" to your theory is stubborn shey?

Evolution is not my theory.So please stop repeating that like someone who never attended a school where it was taught.

That humans have evolved is something that has been proven scientifically to have happened. You have the freedom to verify this information yourself in order to judge if it's true or not

Evolution theory has its limitations, no doubt about that. But If something has been proven to be true to a certain extent with some evidences to back it up,and you then come in to reject it without providing any valid reason for doing so, then you're displaying stubborn resistance. It's as simple as that.

If you insist it's not stubborn resistance, then where are the evidences;the fossils records to show that man was created perfect from the beginning?

That's the only thing that would make anyone want to consider your counter claim. But unfortunately you don't have it,

As for that brother of yours, he is obviously ignorant. Evolution theory is neither against the Adam and Eve story nor against your God.

The Adam and Eve story is simply an allegory, which christians have misinterpreted.

Not every christian is resistance to evolution theory. There are some who have found a way to reconcile it with their religious beliefs and still continue to believe in God.

You can do that too, instead worrying yourself over something you can't change.

Humans have evolved and that's a fact that cannot tampered with by what is contained in any religious text or by any conspiracy theory .

Workch:
why are you busy arguing with a trolll.

Don’t feed a troll, it’s what he wants. Your replies gratifies him, he will become frustrated if he doesn’t get responses

Thank you

Dtruthspeaker:
The white man called him an ape for the purposes of abusing and dehumanizing him (defamation and violation of human rights.

Here we a black man calling himself the same ape the white devil used for insulting and dehumanizing him, danm, slavery is horrible and Stockholm's white man's syndrome Is powerful.

This human must be mad or he is an Ape which means he is not entitled to human rights. He can go look for his law of Apes right but The Law has made us humans greater than apes, so, I can treat him as a rat and chicken!

I did not know that he was an Ape! Where are those people that eat hippocampus, monkeys and co, Oya see one monkey (Ape) wey dey wear cloth and dey press fone

SMH.

Poor education and religious fanaticism can lead to brain damage.

You just rambled and not made any sense.

Help yourself before it becomes to late .

MaxInDHouse:
The Adam and Eve story is real!

If you believe the APE story keep it while i keep my Adam and Eve story. You have presented your ancestors and i have presented mine.
Please if you don't want derogatory words don't say anything against the Adam and Eve story!

There's nothing like an "ape story", but scientific explanation, supported by evidence, for how humans have evolved.

You don't agree with it because a book, which your group has wrongly misinterpreted, has made you accept without evidence, that humans were created perfect from dust.

And ,BTW who are you to threaten anyone with insults for challenging the Adam and Eve story?
Are you the person that created that story?
Or,
Is this how you threaten those you meet during the course of your preaching?

In Judaism, the foundation for christianity and also the main religion of the Isrealies, the Adam and Eve story is regarded as a allegory, without any doubt.

But unfortunately, Christians everywhere have been misled into taken the story for real and hence the stubborn resistance to the evolution theory.

MaxInDHouse:
No problem if your ancestors were APES mine were Adam and Eve. Period!

No problem if you're not using the word derogatorily.

FYI,the Adam and Eve story is an allegory, a fictional story, that should not be taken literally.

So, it's impossible for fictional characters to be any kind of ancestors to any real human being.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ animal is animal and human is human.

If you don't agree with my book that an intelligent being created man to be intelligent then i also will never ever agree with you that animals evolved into human. Period!

This has nothing to do with any religious book.

It's science and scientific knowledge are rationally explained truths supported by evidence. Can we also say the same of your holy book?


Workch, from his explanation, has answered already the
question you and your friends have been asking, but you wouldn't accept it because you have only attached chimpanzees and monkeys to the word, ape.

That's the problem.

MaxInDHouse:
When someone lay a claim that his ancestors were APES but refused to accept that he is also an APE doesn't that sound strange?

IF you had taken your time to read what I explained, you wouldn't have replied with this.

What is the meaning of the word word, ape, as it is used I the sciences?

Let's hear from you

Aemmyjah:
Which 'we'?
Me and you? I'm not an ape
Or you and your fellow atheists

I asked you a personal question
Are you an ape?

It's inappropriate behaviour to be asking that sort of personal question you have been asking everywhere on this board.

The only reason you're getting away with it here, is probably because it's assume you're a black man ,if not, you would have been banned by the mods already for asking a racially offensive question if it's known that you're from another race.

No matter what is being discussed,a white man persistently harrasing a black man with the same sort of personal question , "are you an ape" on Facebook or Twitter, would be accused of using racially offensive language, and have his account suspended immediately.

So discontinue the craziness , and try to understand, that the word, ape, is only used in the sciences as a classification for certain primates with shared features, but which is not enough to make them exactly the same kind .


Within the legal community, for instance,non lawyers are "classified" as laymen or referred to as such , but you wouldn't meet any lawyer outside that setting, calling you a layman or asking you if you're a layman or not, as the know it's belittling and improper to do so.

You and Dtruthspeaker have taken workch explanation and other comments out of the context in which they were made and now using it to harass others by asking silly questions .


I thought JW are expected to be of good behaviour, but it seems you no longer care.

The mods should do their work as both of you have taken this too far. Dtruthspeaker has even gone as far as opening a thread for the madness.
SMH.

Aemmyjah:
I was asking him a simple question
If you want to come to his rescue, answer as well
Simple question
Are you an ape or not?

At the moment, the correct answer wouldn't help you because you have a very limited understanding of the word, ape.

The only meaning, you have
strongly attached to that word, is chimpanzee or monkeys, and you have kept repeating that.

So ,a yes or no answer wouldn't help to clear your ignorance. Go and find out first, all of the meaning attached to that word, ape , and then come back here to ask the same question .

It's obvious you're desperate for a yes answer, which you intend to screenshot ,and later use as evidence that someone here once admitted to be a monkey.

Nobody is going to fall for that.

Aemmyjah:
Baba,are you an ape or not? You're caught in your web
It was your fellow atheist that said so and I want to see your CONVICTION

For me, I am not an ape

Are you an ape or not, stop wasting time but I am going to screenshot your answer
Shame
Remembering your former comments, you are not mad with theists but you that are atheists are engaging them in a religious thread. Thought you should be in education

Are you an ape or not?

You want an answer for something whose actual meaning you don't know?

How would you make sense of his reply if you don't know what the word, ape, actually refers to.

Someone said you claimed to be a biologist. If that's actually true, then you're suppose to know better .

Secondary school knowledge in biology and the awake magazines you have read are not enough to make you a biologist.

Aemmyjah:
Though this is a joke but we know that will create more questions on the girl's mind

If it were your own child, how will you CONVINCE her?

In real life, most children who are inquisitive enough to ask such questions , wouldn't be satisfied with the dad's explanation.

The next question that would come before going to question the mum, would have been, where did God come from ?
Or, how do you know God created the first couple? and even more, where is God?

To avoid those sort of questions, which I can't honestly and correctly answer, I would not try to convinced her with anything I am not yet sure of .

But only let her know that nobody is certain about the origin of life and that scientists are still trying to make us know how exactly life began in a way we all can understand and accept .

As for you ,the op, please try to understand very well what evolution theory is. It's not the answer to the origin of life.

Morever, the theory has never said that humans evolved from chimpanzees or monkeys.

One wonders where you got that from. This is not the first thread I have seen you trying to misinterprete the theory

It appears you have been listening to people who really can't explain evolution theory in a way you can understand it.

AntiChristian:
I think you should keep mute as you have nothing relevant to say!

What you think is not my business.

This is an open forum and have the liberty to respond to anything here as long I don't violate any rule.


If you find it difficult to respond rationally to anything I have said, then please keep your emotional responses to yourself and take your own advice by keeping mute.

Your rellgion, Islam, which you're trying to "market" indirectly, by finding fault in the other one, is also filled with very weird beliefs, and sadly you're completely blind to them due to indoctrination.

AntiChristian:
Where did i mention Islam in the thread?

You don't need to mention it . It's what you represent.

You can continue to bury your head in the sand.

AntiChristian:
The thread is not about Islam.
Talk about this thread!

The thread is about you, Antichristian, attempting to present Islam ,through the backdoor, as the more superior one to Christianity, and I just explained to you it's not.
Both are false religious constructs.


Your true identity is known by most here, and so you can't hide behind" This thread is not about Islam" when it's implicitly about it.

AntiChristian:
At least tell what people can verify!

1. Not one of the disciples saw Jesus die on the cross.

It's about time you looked into the mirror my friend.

No one can also verify if any angel appeared intermittently to unlettered Muhammad for a period of 23years to make him recite the Quran.

Morever, none of the scribes ,who were claimed to have helped him pen down the Quran, witnessed for once any such angel encounter in all of that period or were they privy to it in anyway until the so called angel stopped appearing.

You like to think your religion, Islam, is superior or perfect because of the inconsistencies or lies you can easily spot in the other one, but what you're simply not aware of at the moment, is that yours contains similar kind of unverifiedl stories or claims, which you're completely blind to and afraid to question.

And it's really pathetic to see you open threads every now and then to question the beliefs of others when you should be questioning yours first.



Religious indoctrination, especially the one from the two popular abrahamic religion, which are actually false religious construct of the same kind, is sometimes the worst thing that can happen to any human being.

I have been there before,so I talk from experience.
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Aemmyjah:
Some even cooperated with government and betrayed us

But ever since Putin mobilisation, they have been looking for us desperately cos they've seen how subtle and wicked the government is
If I were there, I won't even answer anybody. They really betrayed the brothers there

How did you know that Russians are desperately looking for your members?

Is there a report whose link you can share for confirmation?

seguno2:
Should they also produce his primary and secondary school certificates

What has that got to do with the current controversy?
Or you don't know the difference between a photograph and a certificate?

Lies. It wasn't an error.

If they want us to believe it was an error, let them produce the authentic picture of Tinubu when he was that age which they wanted to use in the first place

MaxInDHouse:
Let them unite/agree in their understanding first then we will believe they know better than us! Luke 11:23

The messages in that passage was meant for the people of Israel whose major religion is Judaism.

You're a Christian and so not in a position to interpret anything for them or anyone else.

Judaism and christianity are not the same religion.

Preceding chapters makes it clear that the "servant" is Israel. You have been deceived

MaxInDHouse:
When a JW talks about the Bible try to learn it will benefit you greatly!

Before i comment on your question read what Isaiah wrote here, meditate thoroughly then try to find out the meaning of the scripture:

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:6:10

The general consensus amomgs Jewish scholars and rabbinic priests, who should understand that passage more than your JW group, is that the suffering servant refers to the nation of Israel

And they have all explained for us that the ,"he" , in that passage collectively refers to the nation of Israel, and not just a single individual.

That passage , together with the one before and after it, is replete with a lot of figurative expressions which your group have interpreted wrongly.


The people of Israel have no reason to expect a Messiah to die as a sacrifice for their sin, since they already know that their god detest human sacrifice.



No judaist anywhere is expecting a Messiah that would come and die as a sacrifice for anything

You're joking if you think you understand their religion more than them.