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Maynman:
Ooh man.
Is “sin” a Christian theology?
What’s sin in Hebrew? What’s sin in greek?
“Sin” is not a Hebrew or greek word.
I don’t know why you are finding it hard to understand that harmatiaology is the study of harmatia lol.

Harmatiology, not harmatiaology wrongly spelt by you, is the study of sin, harmatia. Ok

The word,Sin has it's origin in old English/Latin.

So who are those currently involved in studying harmatia

Maynman:
You are yet to understand, because the picture is not even talking about the etymology of “harmatia” but HOW IT IS BEEN USED IN THE CHURCH.

Christianity was created years after jesus had died. As you see harmatia was used to replace “chata” in Hebrew.
What does “chata” mean in Hebrew?SIN
This is explanatory enough, read.
Can’t you see in “Christian theology”
New Testament explained jesus teachings, jesus spoke hebrew and Aramaic.
Is the church teaching a different thing from jesus teachings?

I have seen the screenshot ,but you're missing something.

Is harmatia a Christian theology ? If it's, how? Explain

I am not a Christian, but understand this better than you through past association with the rellgion. You have an outsider perspective of the whole thing.

What's correctly understood by those who use it in Christianity, is that hamartiology is part of church theology, while harmatia is just the concept of sin that is connected to it.

You're discussing what you don't fully understand. Those Google research and screenshots are not helping you.

Maynman:
Okay, read slowly.
The reason harmatia is used and studied in Christianity or the church is because, New Testament was written in Greek.

Before Christianity was created in rome, greek philosophers centuries before, already used the term!

We are not talking about the reason for it's use in Christianity or it's origin, that's beside the point, but what it has come to mean as used in discussing church theology or hamartiology

You seem hung up on the etymology of the word and don't understand that the meaning of words are not fixed laws. Through usage, words can evolve into new forms or given different or additional definition that may be far removed from it's
origin.

What is harmatia as it's understood within the church? Your answer please

Maynman:
It has nothing to do with the study of theos(theology)

What is harmatia as it concerns Christianity or the church. That's the correct context.
Let's begin from there before connecting it with anything.

[quote author=Maynman post=117696869]Theology means study of theos.
Harmatiaology means study of harmatia.

Grab that first![/quote
And what's harmatia?

Maynman:
Just to correct that notion that the first link wasn’t Brittanica.
And harmatia and harmatiaology means same thing, common greek words borrowed by early church fathers when writing New Testament, jesus or his disciples spoke Aramaic and hebrew. What is it called in their language?

The fact that harmatia is used in church theology doesn't make it an idealogy. Hamartiology is an idealogy, while Hamartia is not.

This is the difference you're yet to grasp. Harmatia is for explaining the theology of hamartiology

Maynman:
The first site you sent wasn’t britannica.

It doesn't matter. The meaning is the same as the first

Maynman:
And ignorance is not bliss.

There's danger in knowing just a single story.. Chimamanda Adichie

You know a part of the 'story"; harmatia, but not everything, so don't rest until you know what others know that you don't know .

Ignorance is certainly not bliss. I agree with that, but take your own medicine first before offering it to others


The op is dealing not on word origin but on church theology
The focus should be on that. The thread has been badly derailed by you.

Maynman:
Why are you sending me a literature site, send me the origin of the word “harmatia” and you see how Christianity borrowed the idea.
And not to forget, jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic and hebrew.
It was hundreds of years after, that New Testament was written in Greek.

You asked how it's tragic flaw. Britannica is not literature site. See below

Maynman:
Ignorance is not bliss. Study of harmatia is harmatiology

There are things you are also ignorant of like everyone else

Maynman:
Harmartiology is simply the study of harmatia!.
These are greek words that existed before Christianity was created in rome.

He made a wrong assertion that harmatia comes from ham, and that’s brutal lie.

Can you send me a link to the harmatia from the Drama you did research on?

See below. No need for the quarrel. Nobody knows everything. I have also learnt from you concerning the issue at hand.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/literaryterms.net/hamartia/amp/

Yes, but the difference is that hamartiology is an ideology ( theology) while harmatia is not even if connected to the latter

Maynman:
“ Harmatia comes from the root word Ham”

Can you send a link to this?

Sorry, I wanted to say they may share the same origin.

The op deals with the ideology of hamartiology and not Just the origin of the word alone

I thought you should have focused on that, instead of making it seem as if he is focused on the etymology of the word. This quarrel on the thread would not have happened.

If you do your research very well you cannot fail not to see that those terms share the same idea behind them.

Fatal flaw is the weakness of the tragic hero which leads to downfall, while sin in hamartiology is also regarded has weakness in Christianity . This is what makes the origin almost the same.

Lol
In drama, one of the genres of literature, harmatia means the fatal flaw which leads to the downfall of the hero or heroine in the play, while hamartiology is part of the church theology which deals with the doctrine of sin.

Even though both terms share the same etymology, they don't mean the same thing at all. A lion and a tiger are from the same cat family but not the same kind of wild animal.

Harmatia is one of the major feature of drama, while hamartiology which is the subject matter of the op is part of church ideology that has to do with sin.

The op is certainly on the right track No need for the confusion

ReubenSandwich:
I've been reading some of your posts on other topics, and I'd like to have some discussions with you about social issues and what to do about them. I don't want to start a new thread for it. I looked for a thread where you've posted recently, and this looks like it might be the best one for that. I'll post some thoughts, and maybe you'll have some comments or questions about them..

ok.

I think that all the cruelty, violence and oppression that we're seeing will continue and even get worse, for 50, 100, or 150 years or maybe even more, no matter what anyone does. I think that things will stop getting worse and start getting better after a few generations of people learning to train their children in ways that will mostly stop the cruelty, violence and oppression from happening. .

The problem is that, not everyone is willing to learn how to train a child in the right way.Some parents who don't understand anything about basic child psychology are applying the wrong methods with terrible results which they refuse to own responsibility for.

I once had a discussion with a colleague who is a Christian that believes in not sparing the rod. I tried to explain to him that the advice in the Bible should not be followed as it could result in child trauma.
The next thing he said was, do I know more than God that put that verse in the Bible. After he said this, I knew it would be waste of time to continue with the conversation and I kept quiet making him to believe he was right.

So I ask you ,do you also believe in not sparing the rod?

That's part of a larger process that I see happening of people all around the world learning to work with their neighbors to help make the community life in their neighborhood or village healthier, happier and more loving for every person in it.

Before we start to see more of this happening the correct foundation must be laid; more people who have been raised or trained to be willing to work with others to ensure peace in our different communities.

What are parents teaching their children and who is monitoring the process , especially in our own part of the world where anything goes?

I don't think that there's anything that anyone can do to stop the cruelty, violence and oppression from getting worse for many more years, but anyone who wants to can help reduce the damage to people's lives by learning to be a better friend to more people, a person that's safe, easy, fun and helpful person to talk to for all kinds of people in all kinds of situations.

Some persons are not willing to accept your offer of friendship and wouldn't let you know this but pretend.

They prefer to cause harm to you even when you are not posing any danger to them. How do we deal with such people ?

Another way to help reduce the damage is in that kind of community development that I described above.

Certain conditions must be met before that can start happening
Individually and as groups efforts are being made to reduce the damage and some of us can see the results.

I think we should focus more on the successes and not dwell too much on what is not been done right. We are not going to have a perfect world for everyone. That's the truth about the world we live in.

In relation to discussions about religion, I think that people can learn lessons from the Bible if they want to, about how to live the best life they can, studying and practicing together to learn to live the way Jesus says to live. To learn the best lessons, they might need help from some kinds of Christian books.

Why only the Bible and Christian books? Christianity doesn't have all the answers. We can equally learn one or two things from other religion.
These days most people are learning yoga or practice meditation from Buddhism to take charge of their minds. These practices currently finds scientific support and have been proven to provide salutory effect to the mind or body.

ReubenSandwich:
I thought that the copying and pasting was something that people would want to know about, but it looks like no one else really cares.

It's possibly because most people here, whether theist or atheist, are involved in the same copying and pasting from elsewhere but not caught yet ,or the shame and embarrassment it has caused in certain quarters.

When someone does what brings shame and disgrace to their friends and close family members, they are usually left alone to deal with the situation . Nobody would want to draw attention to the matter due to embarrassment.


So far, all of the persons involved are atheists and the major culprit, Tamaratonye1, is a prominent and very popular atheist rated as one of the most intelligent ,with a delightful stlye of writing that has constantly earned her lots of praises and admiration from nearly everyone on this board. She has been a role model for lots of her followers. You wouldn't know this since from your profile, you recently joined the forum.

But the party is finally over and the deception exposed; it has been copying and pasting of the ideas and turns of phrase of other people from elsewhere. She has never for once written anything of her own. A scammer, that's what she's


This didn't start yesterday. The nonentity has been doing this for years now, and I am sure she is not even female but a male.Most fraudsters here on this forum, in case you don't know, are hiding behind a female moniker to interact with you.

However, all of this should not be interpreted to mean that every atheist here or elsewhere is dishonest. Atheist, not new age atheist , are usually honest and well behaved.

New age atheist, also called evangelical atheist, are not really different from the religious people they take delight in attacking all the time.

They are usually very hateful, very abusive, lie a lot and use all manner of deception and propaganda, just like some theist, to promote and defend their atheistic position.


And it's why it is said that, a theist and an atheist
( new age atheist) are two sides of the same coin. Both are behaving the same way, without being aware of it.

9jahotblog:
The Northern Elders Forum spokesperson Hakeem Baba-Ahmed who coincidentally is the elder brother of the Labour Party Vice Presidential candidate asked Atiku Abubakar the question below verbatim.

"Your Excellency, Northerners are watc

hing you now, in the next few days they will hear or they will see you. Please tell the Northerners why out of all the Presidential candidates they should trust you not anybody else with their votes and their trust and why you are the best candidate that can lead Nigeria and the North through changes. Please speak to the Northerners directly."

That was the question from the Northern elders Forum spokesperson. Remember they organised the event and as such asked the question to know Atiku's plan for the North.

Atiku Abubakar in his smartness answered the above question below, verbatim:

"Well, Mallam Northerner, ohh Madam Northerner(he smiled), I have been in politics now for three decades, (Prof. Ango was whispering something and Atiku picked his statement) for 35 years and I have traversed the whole of this country, I know the whole of this country, I have built bridges across this country. I think what the average Northerner needs is somebody who is from the North and also understands other parts of Nigeria and who has been able to build bridges across the rest of the country. This is what the Northerner needs. He doesn't need a yoruba candidate or an Igbo candidate, this what the Northerner needs. So I believe, I stand before you as a Pan Nigerian of Northern origin. Thank you very much."

Atiku Abubakar in the above clearly reminded the Northern elders that he is although a Northerner but not a candidate of the North because he has built bridges in every part of Nigeria.

Atiku Abubakar reminded the North that his candidature is not just for the North but for Nigeria as a whole!

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Children of hate has failed in totality, they shall perish in their hate.... Atiku is coming, no lies, propagandas, stones can stop him.... #AtikuOkowaPDP ✅✅✅

If Atiku was pan Nigerian he should have avoided mentioning any other tribe ( Yoruba and Ibos) and just say the North needs someone no matter where he is from to lead the country.

He knows the average northerner craves power and dominance of the other parts of the country; we own the country mentality.

So telling his northern brothers what they want to hear is a strategy to secure their votes and support.

You have failed in this damage control

Atiku is not pan Nigerian but a chameleon.

ReubenSandwich:
It might be one person doing all the copying and pasting under different names, in both forums.

(later) All the midnight378 posts that I checked from this year are copied and pasted from atheistdiscussion.org, but I can't find out if the ones from last year are copied from somewhere else or not.

I doubt it's a single person.

ReubenSandwich:
I think that it happened more than once. Here's one:

https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=376301#pid376301

Thank you for this.

It's that nonentity midnight378.

I can now understand why his replies were wayward. The people whose comments he copied to answer me didn't know that what they were replying has been taken out of the context it was made.

The person replying my comments, the fool copied here, mistook me for a theist

Just imagine the nonsense. I wonder why other atheist on this board have maintained a deafening silence since yesterday when you started exposing this.They can't pretend not to have seen what you have been doing.

Myndd44 and Seun please look into this .Some of the atheists here are turning Nairaland into a circus show.
I know not everyone of them is involved in this. But it seems most are

Dtruthspeaker:
One would say it is obviously him but we know atheist and Truth is like Satan and doing good.

Who is the 'him"



The suspect for now is Tamaratonye1

Visit this thread below and see for yourself
https://www.nairaland.com/7376212/bigotry-christians-bug-feature-neither

ReubenSandwich:
Yes, some of your posts were copied and pasted into that forum, along with some posts from sinequanon, TenQ, Dtruthspeaker, Endtimer, triplechoice, Epositive, and Wilgrea7, but not with your names.

Please could you show me my post that was posted in that forum.

I would like to used it to find out the person here that did that

Templee333:
@ triplechoice
i'm not telling anybody not to be a JW. If u realy want to knw the truth & u feel that they (JW) have it, u can join them. They'll welcome u. As our people say: "experience is the best teacher".

I never told you I want to join JW.. So why you're bothered, if as you say, your intention is not to discourage people from joining.



Not everyone who is following your story is doing so because they want become a JW.

The things you have shared as made it possible to understand the group better and this is good.

When you saw me arguing with Janosky concerning the 70 hours minimum preaching time, why didn't you come in then to make me understand it wasn't for everybody.

You were silemt all through, and not for once coming to clear the air that I misunderstood you In thinking that pioneeringi was for everyone.

Now that another JW has corrected that wrong impression for me ,you have jumped out to tell me what now?

Continue your story and stop imagining what others are making of it.

You shouldn't expect people to swallow everything you are narrating without veryimg if it's true or not.

ReubenSandwich:
I don't know if anyone else really cares, but I feel cheated when I think I'm having a conversation with someone, and then I find out that all they've been doing is copying my posts into another forum, and copying answers from different people in that forum back into this one.

No need to feel bad about it, but to praise yourself for being smart enough to detect the deception.


Kudos for what you have done in exposing the imposters here.

ReubenSandwich:
1000WaysToLive is another one. Four of them now, copying and pasting back and forth between the forums. It’s creating a lot of confusion in both forums because posts from different people in one forum are being copied and pasted under one name in the other. People think they’re debating with one person in their own forum when they’re actually debating with two or more different people in the other.

I think it's the same person fooling himself behind those four monikers.

Ken4Christ:
I did answer your question. Jesus did not take Mary to hell to reveal details that has nothing to do with us. He focused on our present generation and the need for our salvation.

Jesus has the right to keep secrets that does not concern us.

Haven't you read the experience of Apostle Paul where he said that he saw things he was not permitted to say - 2nd Corinthians 12:4.

Are you speaking on behalf of Jesus?

He told you personally he took Mary Baxter to hell because he wanted to focus on the present generation?

Your reply is the usual talk for sheepies in your church who don't ask questions .

Sorry, You don't have the answer to the fate of people who never heard of Jesus.
Don't make excuse for your Jesus. You're not his spokesman.

Anyone who can think straight knows Mary Baxter story is the fabrication of a pathological liar. This has been proven

One wonders how possible is it for spirits or souls to now have flesh, made of matter, that burns in hell ,a place that is supposed to be an immaterial location, and that is ,if such a place even exist at all.

And yes, Satan that's supposed to be receiving punishment is enjoying himself in a part of hell , called , fun centre, torturing souls that God gave him permission to misled.

Mary Baxter middle name, Kathryn, which has been proven to be a fake name she adopted later in life, is what Jesus called her in the story.

So Jesus didn't not know that Kathryn is not her really name and called her that?

Make una dey use una head to think abeg.

Ken4Christ:
Romans 2:12-16
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, ARE A LAW UNTO THEMSELVES:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, THEIR CONSCIENCE ALSO BEARING WITNESS, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Read the above passage very well.

Jesus is focused on those who have the opportunity to hear the gospel.

Besides, there was no way he could have revealed to Mary Baxter the reason why every one in hell is there. There are billions of lost souls in hell.

He just used a few examples to warn us to repent.

As expected ,quoting Bible verses that failed to answer the question asked.

Jesus could show Mary Baxter those in hell who rejected him, but not a single person in hell who was judged by the law.

You really want to believe what you want to believe even if it means lying to yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
There is no scripture that says a Christian must make up to certain hours monthly but all JWs must preach and make reports of their ministry, {Luke 10:17} this is the norms that helps us to know those who needs help since Lord Jesus commanded us all to go out and preach! Matthew 28:18-29

The report is what the elders gather to know those becoming INACTIVE in their assigned divine duty and as our brother's keepers each of us has a duty to continue assisting one another to keep up with the Lord's work! Hebrews 12:12

However some may choose to do more in the work so the organization is helping them to set good goals for themselves as we ought to continue considering things that are praiseworthy {Philippians 4:8} that's what brought the issue of 70 hours monthly. Those meeting up with this are known among us as "REGULAR PIONEERS" they are the most respected in our midst, that's what the OP is pretending to be so as to gain attention but Jesus never said being a regular pioneer is the criteria to enter God's Kingdom he only encouraged us to do our utmost which the organization is encouraging us to do with the regular pioneer arrangement.
The parable of the talents is what Jesus used to illustrate this:
Our hearts condition determines how many talents Jesus will give each person, don't forget that time is money so if you choose to spend more time in doing the work of the Lord it means you're capable to let go of worldly things {Matthew 6:19-21} so Jesus will give you more understanding than those who can't let go but what happens to those who stopped the work completely trying to use all their hours to make materials things? well let's leave that in the hands of Jesus Christ the judge! Matthew 25:28-31
Today such ones are gnashing their teeth at those zealously doing the work Jesus will send them to where they belong and that's where their gnashing will end!

Thanks!

Oh. This response has cleared the air

I used to think that the 70 hours is for everyone not knowing it's only for Regular pioneers.
There was a time in the past I wanted to be a JW, but this matter of meeting the target of preaching minimum 70hours monthly was what put me off. Nobody explained this very well to me. But of course, I didn't asked maybe because I relied on what outsiders were saying to conclude.

I assumed at that time it was for all JW, and believe me, most people are not even aware of the true situation of things. They just imagined that you all are expected to meet the same target.

Thanks for the clarification.

ReubenSandwich:
copied and pasted from another forum: https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7883&pid=378589#pid378589

Hehehehe. Fake people everywhere. Just imagine the nonsense.

Ken4Christ:
They will be judged by the law of God placed in their conscience.

Where in the Christian Bible is it mentioned that people who did not have the opportunity to hear of Jesus would be sent to hell based on the law of God placed in their conscience.

And I hope you know that what you just explained contradicts what is contained in the Mary Baxter's hell fire experience you have been serialising in another thread.

All the people in hell according to that story were people who rejected Jesus. There was not one single account of anybody sent to hell due to their conscience. They all rejected Jesus. That's all.

Our forefathers never knew of Jesus. So why do you think they deserve to be hell.

If you say it's through their conscience, then understand that there has never been anyone who has lived or is still living right now that is hundred percent morally upright.

Your Bible says there's no man without sin and a single sin is enough to make you miss heaven.

So what this means, according to you, is that our forefathers who never heard of Jesus are in burning in hell right now, since it would never have been possible for them to meet the condition of living without sin.

Is this correct?

ReubenSandwich:
Some people might want to know, some posts in this forum are being copied and pasted into another one, and answers to them are being copied and pasted from there to here by Tamaratonye1, Chryssanthe, and Silverseed.

I have always suspected the monikers Tamaratonye1 and Chryssanthe to be the same person.
The writing style is almost, if not, exactly the same

Now this copy and paste matter...... well let me keep my thoughts to myself until later.

Janosky:
Oga, your Bible is not simply about DO's and DON'Ts specified in black and white.


2 chronicles 15:7 & John 6:27 are Bible principles every believer must work with.
That is what it means to handle the word of truth aright.

Shalom.

You're deflecting.

I am not asking you what it means to handle the word of truth or whether the Bible is about Do's or Don't s ,but to show where in the Bible it is mentioned that Christians must achieve a minimum of 70 hours monthly preaching time.

You already admitted it is your own target which you or your organization have set.

So ,what is now the reason for your latest rhetorics?

I already agreed nothing wrong to set a target for what you want to do,but let your members know the truth about the 70 hours, and not using humbug to make it look like something a God has fixed in order to make them obey it That's deception
.

All the Bible verses you listed never talked of any specific preaching hours. Oga just rest. You misinterpreted the op's

Janosky:
2 chronicles 15:7 & John 6:27.
Is your Bible against setting goals and targets?
70 hours minimum monthly is our goal & targets.

The OP is not worshipper of Jehovah our God.
Make him,OP, set him own goal and target to please his own deity.

Shikena!

Better now.

By admitting that 70 hours minimum monthly is your goal and target, it means that it's your organization, not the Bible that has fixed the time.

This is exactly what he wanted to know while he was still a JW.

Why not explain this before now instead of misconstruing his statement and accusing him of not knowing the Bible as if the 70hours is mentioned in it.

There's nothing wrong if your organization has fixed the time, but to find biblical support for it , I mean the 70hours minimum monthly, in the same Bible everyone has access to is certainly disingenuous to say the least.