konami001:

bleeping Americans,  why didn't they bust President Clinton and his MENA Drug Smuggling associates? Why didn't they  find out who killed the 2 teens that were left on the Railway track and made to look like an accident? How about American drug smuggling in Afghanistan by American Armed Forces and the CIA? Who brought drugs into America? Who killed Marilyn Monroe? Who killed JFK? Did Bush not attack Iraq by lying about the presence of WOMD? If there is no drug demand, who will border about the supply?

My people, there are always 2 versions to any story;
1. What really happened,
2. What the media reports that happened,

No matter how the so-called white people try to paint us as devils, the fact is we are closer to God than they are,  
PEACE,

So this guy is honest?
If they cover up crimes committed by their own people, must your man join them?
Afterall, America has the largest number of nobel prize winners
even if you believe in favouristism, 50% of them are justified
Should we not be going after glorious things rather than saying only our crimes are being detected and publicised?

Beaf:

It is.

Eureka!!!
All you need to say is that "it is"
And it becomes the best speech?
I would have gone into this debate
But you usually do not provide evidence

And seriously, ever since you said that there is nothing wrong with that website http://www.nigeria.gov.ng/
(A fact that anyone could and can still check)
it has become difficult to believe you without evidence

globatop:

Amid all people that have govern Nigeria, OBJ is still the best, irrespective of his atrocities, no candidate will emerge a president even governor without godfather, lets give Jonathan a chance, after all, it is wise to always settle for a smaller evil. The antecedents of all other aspirants seem scaring and I believe a leopard will never change its paws.

The article on this link will make an interesting reading, never mind its length.
http://www.modernghana.com/news/296479/1/general-ibrahim-badamosi-babangida-the-evil-candid.html
http://www.modernghana.com/news/296732/50/is-the-north-incapable-of-giving-us-quality-leader.html

Obj is not the best - he is not better than Buhari or Murtala
How much was available to each president and what did he do?
Obj has ruled the longest - 11.5years
What did he do about Niger Delta?

Obj came in a pauper - much was expected because of his prison experience
What happened - he has become very rich (remember the 200m shares in transcorp) and autocratic
Do you remember the Anambra debacle - he sponsored the violence designed to pave the way for declaration of state of emergency
Bola Ige, Marshall Harry, Dikibo etc,  Odi and Zaki Biam too  happened on his watch - what happened?

timijay:

fantabulous speech,his story is an encouragable one.abeg you people should not talk about IBB as far as i am concerned.GEJ doesn't have experience, is it experience that will take us to the next level or credible leader.jonathan is the right candidate for nigeria.

Don't get carried away by speeches
This IS NOT THE BEST speech we have heard
Abacha used to talk about running a responsible government

People are paid good money to write speeches - is the aspirant sincere - that should be your question

cap28:


but did anything come out of the court case? and when the case supposedly collapsed due to "insufficient evidence" how come Jonathan and his wife didnt seek to clear their names of such spurious and supposely malicious allegations by suing the EFCC? - these people think we all reason like Beaf and co.

I honestly beleive that crucial witnesses have either been intimidated, threatened or paid off.

Your article states the following:



By the way the Council on Foreign Relations is a powerful american organisation that is made up of some of the wealthiest political and business figures in america, these people actually control the american govt, they also exert a great deal of control over client states ie countries who implement economic policies which are favourable to their business interests - nigeria is one of such countries, If they said that  Patience Jonathan was  one of the greediest persons in Bayelsa at the time, I would be inclined to beleive them.
Why would they make such a statement if they did not have aanything to back it up with?

I hope you don't think I am a supporter of Johnathan

chuqudy:



Who is your choice? May be IBB or ribadu or Atiku or Buhari or some other thief.

It is always easy to accuse others
I support Buhari
Declare yours and let us see if he is not a thief

dappssee:

We need to be analytical about this. The question is whether or not its a possibility.

[size=16pt]Its very possible[/size]

Prophecies, whether or not they are genuine, should make us more cautious.

I think Jonathan's close aides should take note of this because I keep wondering how much work it will take to bring down a plane. An RPG can do that and you dont wanna know how many of those are in private hands.

I pray it wont happen in Jesus name. Amen

There are more privately-owned RPGs in the Niger Delta than any other place!

afroil:

Hmmmm,if all of u opposing d prohet know very well d person,I*B, jonathan is contestin wit within PDP, u will definitely believe wot d prohet was sayin.

well till den,but i pray bad tin will never happen to GEJ,because accordin to his promise nd actn afterwod,am enjoyin NEPA right now nd i believe he would certainly do more if allowed to rule 4 d next 4yrs

We always enjoy NEPA in the rainy season
Go back and check even Obj's time
BTW the deadline for NIPP (chaired by GEJ) wss 6,000mw by Dec 2009

chuqudy:

One do dot have to undermine this prophesy. By common sense, we know that the north can do anything possible to prevent Jonathan from occupying the presidential seat. They won't mind importing a suicide bomber from afganistan to hijack the presidential jet and kill Goodluck. I think Christians should pray for Goodluck Jonathan. Also, the good muslims should pray for him too.

What should bad christians do?
Do you recall that some people (particularly in PH) were rejoicing the day Yaradua died?
Were the situation reversed, the people close to the southerner will fight tooth and nail to keep the northerner away from power
Southerners love power and some of them are evil - Remember that primaries are more violent in the South than in the North
There is too much tribalism in thie country

@ALL
Much as I don't like GEJ candidacy (PDP is an evil empire)  
It is never good to wish death on others
Afterall no one has control over when he and how he will die
I hope he loses badly at the election but lives long enough to play with his great grandchildren!

cap28:

You have obviously been caught up in the euphoria of worshipping at the alter of Jonathan but very soon like a drunken man recovering from a 24 hour binge the morning after, you will discover that you did and said a few things you wished that you hadnt the night before.  HOw many times are these people going to keep on bamboozling you?

Don't you think it rather strange that Jonathan did not take legal action against the EFCC for allegedly smearing his name with the allegation that his wife was involved in laundering huge sums of money from the state coffers.  Why would Jonathan tolerate such an act of character assassination against his supposed unblemished record without seeking to punish ribadu and the EFCC? 

I just don't understand how adults can reason like this, Ribadu did  a deal with Jonathan and the deal was:  I will drop the charges against your wife and even go as far as denying that these allegations were even true in the first place - come on bro  - this is nigeria we are talking about, these things go on in the west, talk less of nigeria where anything is possible.  Ribadu was probably paid off by Jonathan and allowed to come back to nigeria to restart his political career. You guys are about to be taken for a very big ride.

Jonathan is where he is today because he was selected by the powers that be  - he did not earn it, neither is he the people's choice.  he is just another opportunist.

Your beloved Jonathan can not go to the toilet without okaying it with the US govt firs[/b]t, he takes his instructions from Shell BP , Chevron, Exxon Mobil and finally his cabinet - in that order - he is a powerless puppet.  [b]I actually had more respect for Yaradua because he actually made unilateral decisions which did not favour the west's economic agenda hence his early demise from the political scene.  In time we shall all find out why Yaradua really did die and why, as I said to Beaf the problem with us is blind sycophancy - that is what is killing us, and until we learn to think in a critical manner we will continue recycling these worthless bandits.

On Patience - the case was actually charged to court
http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5565603-146/patience_we_are_watching.csp
http://aderinola./2007/10/28/patience-jonathan-nigerias-most-powerful-woman/

On US and Co
I actually believe we are more of a colony of the west, the US in particular, now
GEJ told CNN that Iwu was not the problem with our electoral system and that he had conducted 2 elections with Iwu
Robbie Carson promptly said that Iwu remains a liability to credible elections
GEJ scaked Iwu

Look at the story of the full body scanner
Ghana is still CONSIDERING having full body scanners at its airports
Ghana - 24 million people, GDP of less than $20b, where Farouk AbdulMuttallab spent 1 - 2 weeks before making his trip
(Nigerian figures are 150m and $200m respectively and Farouk spent only a few hours in Nigeria)
Now we have 3D full body scanners and as expected it is being used for x-rated shows at our airport
http://www.thisdayonline.info/nview.php?id=183334

donkinpee:

No mind them na enemies of progress. Since GEJ dey 4 seat nigeria don become gud enough 2 b a country of gud reputation. Anyone who no lyk better thing no go get better thing. So my fellow nigerians mind how u talk against gud thing so dat gud thing no go leave u.

There is no objective person who can deny that Obama is sincerely doing a good job
The man is growing white hairs
Yet his critics are using the most hideous comparisons to paint sinister images of his intentions
And he may not get a second term

Has anybody asked the tea party guys to go and die, drink acid etc?
GEJ has not really been subject to really harsh criticisms
Yet his supporters are lying - telling us he did not use a teleprompter, that nothing is wrong with that website www.nigeria.gov.ng
And people are telling me that he derserves my vote

What standard are they trying to set for this country

Ordinarily, I would not have mentioned this Obama angle
But GEJ supporters introduced that dimension

Just like Obj's supporters started calling the man (Obj) president of Africa when he became AU chairman
but we resented it when Gaddaffi as AU chairman started calling himself president of Africa

Dream chaser:

abeg who says jonathan cannot be compared to obama? make i hear word jorey, jonathan's speech made me cry harder than obama's ever did, the man is pure genius and what we need in nigeria today with respect to leadership are people with intellectual minds. from his speech on facebook to the one at eagles square i was in awe to his deep intellect, without tring to run down anybody jonathan is the best presidential candidate we have ever had in nigeria and he is going to WIN.[color=#006600][/color]

Genius = a person having an extraordinarily high intelligence rating on a psychological test, as an iq above 140
= an exceptional natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work
I don't recall his achievements as a lecturer (where performance, contributions can be easily seen) that justifies this genius attribution

In awe of deep intellect? - because of a prepared speech
Okay have this - this is Dr Johnthan explaining why he could not declare his intention sometime ago

"Immediately I declare now that I am contesting, it becomes a signal to all the governors and those who are in position to contest would also start to declare. Immediately all these begin, government functions will suffer

"If I say I am not, the story will be different. Some people would begin to feel one kind "

Best presidential candidate? - you have not seen so many

Let us not judge by hardship and talk

Robert Mugabe
Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia for more than 10 years between 1964 to 1974. Upon release with Edgar Tekere, Mugabe left Rhodesia in 1975 to re-join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique.
At the end of the war in 1979, Mugabe emerged as a hero in the minds of many Africans. He won the general elections of 1980

Jomo Kenyatta
An orphan, Kenyatta paid his school fees by working as a houseboy and cook for a white settler.

Kenyatta was sentenced in 1953 to seven years imprisonment with hard labor and indefinite restriction. The subsequent appeal was refused by the British Privy Council in 1954. Kenyatta remained in prison until 1959, after which he was detained in Lodwar, a remote part of Kenya.

He ruled Kenya from 1964 until his death in 1978
He harrassed his opponents, detained them, and was suspected of arranging the muder of some promient ones. turned kenya into a one-party state.

Kenneth Kaunda
He was also part of Zambia's independence struggle and was jailed twice
He became prime minister in 1964 and ruled till 1991. He turned the country into a one-party state and harrased his opponents. He declared a state of emergency in a part of Zambia in 1964 and same was not repealed until he left office in 1991

Beaf:

^
Yes GEJ is a saint compared to the pit of vipers that is Nigerian politics is. If you claim otherwise, prove it.

Preferring Nwodo to Ogbulafor (of the ID card scam)  is not saintly
Having a wife charged to court for $16.5m is not saintly
Being reluctant to sack Iwu is not saintly
Telling us that Yaradua was the one who put 3 planes in the budget and it is not for his use is not saintly
 he could have removed it from the budget and his plane having a problem in Ugadan means he will use it
What did have to hide about his assets
N16b for one day celebration while reserves are being drawn down and over 70m Nigerians live on less than N150 daily is unsaintly

Fashola- or Shekarau - the one that comes to mind readily would not do that

Beaf:

^

@truly, I don't recall you debunking anything. You just made lots of statements which really had little connection to the argument at hand.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Just like me, you can find out for yourself if you are that interested. However, if his tenure as governor is what stops you coming over as a supporter, then you've got to tell us what it was that troubled you when he was governor of Bayelsa. Its so simple!

This is waht you said

Beaf:

You say that because Nigerians are used to being kicked around and treated like dirt by their rulers (not I said "rulers". When we get a smart dude who is a gentleman, we call him "mumu."
Here is a guy whose motorcade was wilfully blocked by some dude in Abuja. You know what, that fellow was taken to court as would obtain in any civilised country; in the past, he would have been beaten to death on the spot and his family would never have seen his smashed body.
Jonathan is a very welcome breath of fresh air. We can see the way he takes decisions, with perfect timing and wisdom.

If I was to ask your reason for calling him a mumu, I am sure there will be nothing concrete.

I just said it is inherited - the practice comes from the immediate past - his predecessor

From Johnathan's speech
"I set the stage for free and fair elections by constituting an electoral commission comprising of Nigerians with impeccable credentials for firmness and incorruptibility"

Fact - he did not want to relieve Iwu of his job

Beaf - truth is sacred - there is no point ascribing to you what did you not say
If I offend you in error - I am ready to apologise
and I don't do abuses and insults

But it would be refreshing if you could admit the truth of some things we are saying

I did not wat to comment on this - but you have been repeating it
It is candidates - and GEJ - di that today who tell people what they have done
Rather than electorates being challenged to identify what they have not done

Tippy Top:

In the interest of fairness do the same on Babangida and tell me if his brutal regime come off to much ethical  scrutiny.

This thread is about Johnathan not IBB
If you open up IBB's thread, I will contribute
With some people eulogising him, we need to balance the story
And the people eulogising have been telling us that GEJ is a saint (in PDP! and in Nigerian politics)
while IBB is the devil's reincarnate - you did not ask them for balance

To be fair, you should open up a thread for ALL aspirants and ask people to comment about them all
Afterall there is Gusau, Atiku and Saraki

Tippy Top:

By all means yes, but you come across with the quaint notion that the  Babangida years were rosy.

Go and check my posts to confirm
You will require admin rights and personally (and illegally) edit my posts to be able to make this charge stick

Beaf:

This is a bit like clutching at straws, because nothing above is even remotely important. The only things we remember are that GEJ has put an upright man as head of INEC and took a man who obstructed him to court, rather let his korofo's do physical justice to the man as would have been done in the past. If Yar Adua (RIP) introduced the rule of law philosophy, fine. The fact is that Jonathan practices it.

When Johnathan is telling us bared-faced lies, it is at the heart of the matter
when we debunk it, it is far from important
Actually in the law court, whatver is aserted by a witness can be targeted at cross examination

What is important is that his mind is not in the matter
He is not committed to it because he does nt believe in it
There is a bo.oby trap in the process - a lot of people will not be registered to vote anyway

Why would he not practice the rule of law he cannot because simply revertin back to thuggery without drawing undue attention to his dark side
and that action can be used as propaganda (without crediting it to Yaradua) as you have done severally
-

Beaf:


Is this meant to be about Jonathan? IBB is the original thug, so you really are stretching things.

It is about PDP
And if GEJ remains in PDP, he is part of the nest of killers, garrison/do-or-die donor democracy

Beaf:

Interesting!
What exactly did you debunk and who said it? cos I'm thinking you're "debunking" your very own assertions here.
we de wait o!

You know that the picture of GEJ you have been painting is not really true!
If we were talking about an event of some decades in the past I can understand

GJ claims that he wanted free and fair elections and gave us an INEC of credible people
FACT - He changed Iwu due to pressure
You have claimed he is civil, took a motorist who ran into him to court
FACT - this is a legacy of Yaradua's rule of law philosophy

There is a limit to propaganda
But to say that those newspaper reports debunk my assertions is a new level that Goebbels would be proud of

monkeyleg:

@Solomon,

Why should I come and state what GJ has not done, when supporter like Beaf and yourslef can not tell Us waht he did while he was a governer. Let us continue playing these childish games and not grow up politically. Maybe someday your kids will ask you this same question, probably then you will answer.

@Beaf,

I dont hate people, and have not reason to hate GJ, like I said he is my Brother, but I choose to speak the truth and not delude myself with cheap tricks and false promises. And by the way I fail to see how a rottern fish in Okro soup will taste any difference in Egusi soup. [b]PDP represents pure evil [/b]and I dont see how GJ can be effective in a cesspit of filth, besides He lacks the intellectual ability and vision to drive Nigeria where I think we should be today and possibly tomorrow. Let him go and rest

PDP - The nest of killers
An abduction of a whole governors that could have led to the man being killed was called "family affair"
           But if I run past a traffic light, it would be treated like treason
The party says a city is garrison beholden to a thug
It says winning an election is a do-or-die affair
we can go on

And I am expected to vote for somebody who has been part of that establishment since 1999?
And he is being touted as a reformer
For the love of this country - we don't need to call 1300hours in Abuja midnight

Tippy Top:

Care to explain how Babangida made his Billions or are you just rooted in antiquity?

Please read the thread
I debunked some false claims about Johnathan
and backed it up with evidence

And really if events of 2007 and today is antiquity
then what about events of between 1986 and 1993?

BTW don't you think we have the right to know the truth about GEJ
while we are being told daily about the ills of IBB
Both are aspirants

Anybody who wants us to vote for Johnathan must tell us the whole truth
It is not enough to tell people who raise questions to go and drink acid
Note that if he fails, some people rooting for him today may also have to drink acid

You actually have the right to put questions to IBB's people - but I am neither  Kassim Afegbua nor Dokpesi

Iwu must go, says US official
http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/42159/1/Iwu-must-go-says-US-official/Page1.html

This is the US adding pressure
So GEJ did not really believe in a truly independent INEC

Extract of the story on asset declaration
http://nm.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=10408&z=17

Vice President Goodluck Jonathan on Wednesday buckled to pressure and made public the assets he declared to the Code of Conduct Bureau on May 30, 2007.

Describing the vice president as a firm believer in the rule of law, Niboro said the earlier position on the issue of public declaration of his assets was guided by the fact that he (Jonathan) had had to declare his assets seven times.

He said: "There is no question that the issue of the publication of the vice president’s assets declaration has been the source of vigorous debate in the mass media in the past week or so. There have been strong opinions on both sides of this emerging, if unnecessary, divide.

"The vice president is a firm believer in the rule of law and this has guided his conduct in public office through the years. It is this belief that also guided his position that having fulfilled the requirements of the law, by declaring his assets for a total of seven times, there was no point in going further to publish the declaration.

"This position has generated an unfortunate storm, which is not only distractive but also quite unnecessary. We are worried that some newspapers and citizens we hold in high esteem have joined the fray.

"This merely shows that in the affairs of man, there comes a time when even the law must take a second place, and the public mood must define our actions. To the vice president, this is such a time, hence the choice to send you a copy of his declaration for publication. There is nothing to hide, as you can very well see."

Gentlemen and any ladies here,

I believe that deep down we all want the best for this country
We can get our points across without rancour
There is no need to call ourselves names

We still rely on the same Nig police, PHCN, NASS - our destinies are still interwoven
If these institutions improve, we will all be happier
Please

Jonathan sacks Maurice Iwu
The reports notes that Johnathan had earlier defended Iwu before CNN
http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5561439-146/jonathan_sacks_maurice_iwu__.csp

No1
Yar’Adua declares N945.4m assets
http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200706293532896

AC condemns Jonathan’s refusal to make assets public
http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art20070731045778

The man who made it possible for people to be taken to court, rather than killed on the spot, is called Yaradua
He introduced DUE PROCESS
Oh, Yaradua was the one that caused Johnathan to declare his assets publicly
I remember when the press asked Johnathan about the matter, he started by saying - I have declared my assets several time
The press did not relent and he had to make it public
Of course, most it was in the name of the number 3 in the cabinet - Patience (check the official website nigeria.gov.ng)

He is claiming that he gave us a respectable INEC - half truth
When he gave his interview to CNN, he said that Iwu was not the problem and that he had conducted 2 elections with Iwu
He only got rid of Iwu when the US continued to insist that Iwu had lost credibility

Looks like for this project every LIE helps

Olumogun:

oga  G   O   O   D   L   U   C    K ?

We are not moved by what u have said oh.
What we need is the reality of your name on NIGERIANS

i.e How much of good is Goodluck bringing to average man on the street.

Don't even go there
How many competitions have we been disgraced from in recent times
World Cup - Greece broke their record by recording their 1st ever world cup win against Nigeria
We are not going to next year's U-17 competition (note that in 2007 Nig was 1st; In 2009, Nig was 2nd; 2011, we have crashed out)

Oh, our ladies have been doing so well, but been losing at heart breaking moments

This luck is personal to JEGA (GEJ new initials)
Nigeria needs its won seprate divine luck now

Brownteeth:

Kobo, unfortunately Nepa don strike for my side. I admit that democracy isnt working in working in Nigeria to facilitate a change of party all this while, but what you should have said is, changing from one party to another will not bring any difference in governance but let it just happe to show that democracy is working.Goodnite.

A change of party is good for us - people will no longer rely on Godfathers alone - they still have to listen to voters
It will take another party about 2 years to get to the current level of impunity that PDP demonstrates
In those 2 years, we may have extracted some concessions
eg FOI Bill, A review of the electoral act, even another review of the constitution or even some commitment to public service

Nigeria Police is always cooking up stories and fantastic stories
The son confessed because his father is terminally sick and he could not bear to see his family suffer after the man's death
The solution is to strangle his family members - all 4 (mother and 3 children) - by himself
Anyway the family is punching holes in the story already

niniman:

No manifesto, no plans, nothing to guide him for 4 years. he want to spent 4 years directing as the spirit guides him. he better not go for presidential debate with this rubbish.they will take him to cleaners,i trust pastor Okotie and co. GEJ might be the best among the lot but he is not the best person Nigeria needs

He is not the best!
What are these achievements
Now he has set us up so that we cannot mark his achievements to any promises
Some people will of course tell you it is strategic, visionary etc - but can you enter into a deal without any objective?

I am just worried that he is positioned to use the typical state power to force his way in
After that, we are on our own. Just look at how
he replaced a small crook (Ogbulafor) with a bigger one (Nwodo of the ID card scam)
PDP suddenly decided to shift their NEC meeting to the time IBB is declaring

OAM4J:

OK.

We dont need empty promises, but we definitely still need to have his manifesto. So we'll be able to judge his performance at the end of the day in case he wins.

Simple hedging his bets
without promises, there is no way to hold him to anything - afterall when there is no law, there cannot be any crime
Now he is free to act as the spirit directs - I wonder which country is run this way

Beaf:

This is 100% [size=14pt]MetalDung[/size]!
There is no crowd, we've got folks on the scene. Not a single PDP top shot turned up.

Simple because PDP suddenly decided that their NEC must hold at the same time and date!
That is GEJ's doing obviously
I wonder how he (GEJ) will treat opposition candidates

justdtruth:

I do not want to win your affections by giving you promises of things I would do in the future which others before me have given and which have largely been unfulfilled. Rather, I would want you to judge me by my records.

My team and I made no promises on adequate fuel supply in Nigeria. We simply did what was expected of those who govern, we delivered it, and you are living witnesses to that. We made no promise to revamp the textile industry. We delivered a bailout package worth 150 billion naira that is being dispensed as I write. We made no promises of securing the highest U.S Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) aviation clearance, the Category 1 Certificate which enables Nigerian registered airlines to fly to ANY U.S city. We delivered. We made no promise to give Nigeria a brand new INEC [/b]under a proven God-fearing and incorruptible leader. We made no promises of protecting your loans, deposits and investments in the banking industry over and beyond what is covered under the Nigerian Deposit Insurance Scheme. [b]We delivered it via AMCON. Rather than tell you what we could do to improve power, this administration demonstrated it by initiating a brand new national Super Grid as well as launching a concrete Road Map to the Power Sector with realistic goals tied to realistic dates. I understand from some of your mails that there has been some small improvements in electricity supply in some communities. We met an economy that was beginning to slow due to the global recession. Today, the economy has verifiably grown by 7% this half year ending in June.
I know you are tired of empty promises, so I will make only one promise to you today. The only promise I make to you my friends, fellow citizens and Nigeria, is to promise LESS and deliver MORE if I am elected.
I will by the special grace of God be making a formal declaration to this effect at the Eagle’s Square, Abuja, on Saturday 18 September 2010.
I guess this guy likes facebook so much. Somebody should tell him that we need him on nairaland

Can somebody help me to debunk these lies/halftruths
We are in trouble - integrity is a scarce commodity!