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what exactly are you up to sef?

Let see:

hisblud: action=good/bad (fruit)

correct

hisblud: electricity=life

error!

Electricity = power that produce the life in combination with the mould.

hisblud: cpu=tree

error!

Cpu = the brain.

hisblud: haa haa nice.try this...
Have you tested a mango fruit?

yes

hisblud: what gives the tree the ability to produce the fruit you enjoy? is it not the mango

error!
It is not the mango.

It is the force of life.

hisblud: "life" in the mango tree?

Life in the mango tree = soul.
(in the case of man though, tree does not have soul)

hisblud: thus we can "blame" the "electricity" aka life of the tree that bears its fruit.

what!

The electrcity is not the life but the driving force.

How can you blame an impersonal force that has no character or person on its own just like the current that powers the cpu?

hisblud: thus without the life, the tree cannot bear its fruit....

you mean without the life force or current the tree will not bear its fruit?

hisblud: therefore back to my conclusion i had earlier asked

so what about those your wrong assumptions?


My friend upgrade please.

hisblud: action=good/bad (fruit)
electricity=life
cpu=tree

haa haa nice.try this...
Have you tested a mango fruit? what gives the tree the ability to produce the fruit you enjoy? is it not the mango "life" in the mango tree? thus we can "blame" the "electricity" aka life of the tree that bears its fruit. thus without the life, the tree cannot bear its fruit....
therefore back to my conclusion i had earlier asked

lol.

This is and will be interesting.

Lets go:

Luke 1:46,47 :
"And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour."
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My life does praise God.
She/her disposition praised God.


John 4:23,24 :
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. "
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Spirit = unseen force that is God's power without any physical intermediary in worship. God/Jesus promise his spirit to all his Worshpers to help them worship him in truth = word of God= bible.

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. " (John 17:17)

Truth = word of God.

1cor 2:11 :
"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."
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That it takes the help of God's power to discerned the deep things of the almighty God, were the spirit is God's power that will help his followers to do that.


1cor 5:3 :
"For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,"
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Though he apostle paul is not present in person but by the power of God that he has he has Judged already.

1cor 5:5 :
"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
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So, that such a person should be given a temporary blow by satan destroying him temporary (body) but the future life(soul) of such a one can be saved via the resurrection hope.

Since it has to do with the congregation, it means to keep the congregation clean. The spirit of the congregation should be preserved clean for christ coming.


1cor 14:2 :
"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."
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gift of the spirit = help from the power of God to speak a foreign language.

So, such a person is worshiping God via the help of the power of God using a foreign language that is a mystery to others that also speak in other foreign language.

1cor 14:14-16 :
"For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
"Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?"
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From above.

When you use the help from God's power(spirit) To speak/pray in a foreign language it is not bad, but the next person that also speak in a foreign language(spirit) that is different from yours and cannot understand your own language will not understand what you are saying and as such will not know when to say Amen to your prayer, of what use is it?

So, it is better you speak in a language that all will understand instead of using the gift of the spirit(power of God) to speak a language that is not beneficial to the rest of the congregation. (Abused)


John 13:21 :
"When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. "
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Jesus christ with the help of God's power(spirit) knew that one of the disciple will betray him.

luke 23:46 :
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. "
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That Jesus christ committed the power of God that sustain his life to God, such that he died and his hope of a future life rest in the hands of the almighty God.

Of course almighty God resurrected him after 3days since the spirit(power/life force/breath) that sustain his life(soul) was from God and went back to God.


Romans 8:16 :
"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:"
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The power of almighty God bears witness/acts upon us that our character shows that we are the children of God.

This people, children of God no longer lived for themself but for the almighty God(all the apostle were ready/died for the work of christ)

that was as a result of the power that came from the power of God and not man..

The spirit power of God moved them.
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So, what next?
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[quote author=Mr_Anony]I would say that the spirit of a man accesses physical reality through the body.[/quote]the spirit of God is an impersonal force that activate the body, much like an electrical current is an impersonal force that activate the radio, TV, computer, fan, etc etc.

But the different being that the spirit of the almighty God is the most powerful force in the whole univers, and can do whatsoever the almighty wants to do.

This same spirit like an electrical current does a lot of things.

One of such things being kickstarting a man to life.

Man and animals.
[quote author=Mr_Anony]The brain doesn't produce the consciousness, it is only used as a tool to interpret it.[/quote]another word for the character output of a man is "his spirit". That is,
the spirit of the man of the character of the man, you can tell a man, you have a violent spirit, meaning, you have a violent character.
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But the sustenance of the man is the spirit or the power of God.

It is a power the power that drives/runs the man and not the man.
It is this spirit or power that goes back to God.

The current that runs a TV set is not the TV.

This same spirit was what the almighty God gave to Jesus to use in all his miracles including the apostles and prophets.

It was God's power that was given to them and not a person.


This power of the almighty is unlimited on what it can do, but only what is the will of the almighty that the almighty uses it on.

The almighty controls it and we are only surviving from it.
see:
"And "all" flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: "All" in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died." (Genesis 7:21-22).

Another name for the spirit of God is the breath of God.
Peace.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, again you are confusing mechanism with agency.


In other words, you make your brain do it.


In other words your brain does this by itself.


A while back, you said that man is nothing more than his brain so essentially the brain controls the will.

How exactly does your brain control a "you" that controls it in turn?[/quote]^^^

is this meant to confuse someone?

The brain is the controller, that a computer hybernates does not mean the cpu is no longer working.
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The brain works based on the information that it receives and is being fed.

But when the brain is convince of some superior information rationale that it has been inputed into it will start acting in accordance with that input.

It can start accepting some signals or rejects certain signals from it sensing organs.

With the conviction on the inputed you can then see a beautiful(naked woman not your wife) woman you remove your face or you decide to feed your eyes.

All this ^^^ are based on the initial input into the brain that looking at an naked woman not your wife will get you arouse/fall.

This ^^^ are actually how the decisions of the brain are arrived upon and depending on the varieties/volume of information stored(memory)


This are the conditions that the brain operates upon.

Without an initial imputed information there is no basis for the brain to decide to look at a naked she or refused to look at her.
Eg, little kids.

Man has nothing to do with an external/interna soul.


With more storage of information into the brain to work with, experience/knowledge = memory you have more info to scan(meditation/analysis) befor output = action.

Depending on the priority attached to the issues under consideration this action can continue into the persons sleep and can cause certain obvious reactions when certain stored or inputed information is unravel.

Control of the person or of the brain is as a result of such convictions, all Withing the brain.

Logicboy03: Crap, boolshyt, nonsense......etc



Just shut up.

lol.

Men!
What a drama.

Zikkyy: come, don't insult me. you think say na only xmas & easter i dey chop rice? My 'choppings' no get ending o! it just that xmas chop chop is special cos i get special time off and i always ensure i make the most of it

lol.

Zikkyy: xmas chop chop is special cos i get special time off and i always ensure i make the most of it

the original chop chop guy. Lol.
Na wa for ye o!
Chop de go naa.

plappville: @rich4god

Funny all this you know? You can't explain a thing you lay down, why should you lay it down at the first place? I should go and see a priest as if this is very important..
You must be joking with your invitaion i guessed

*sigh* like @truthislight..hahaha...

ma sister, this guy like christmas too much, him fit be say him like chop chop pass Zikky self.

Na this Chrismas thread the guy they only see for NL since e concern him favourite(mas).

Zikky will be very jealous.

Yooguyz: i noticed something about you dont take it personal but you are very good at asking complex questions. The tone of the write up seemed like you were addressing people who share your beliefs. First of all many of your propositions are wrong, laying of hands is not the only means by which the gifts where transfered, remember the folk casting out demons in Jesus' name but he was not there when Jesus commisioned his disciples to preach the gospel in luke. Btw miracles had been happening since the time of the prophets way before the holy spirit was given.who layed hands on prophet elijah to get the gift of prophecy? Who transffered the gift of miracles to moses so could make bitter waters sweet? Infact the only gift that neva operated in the OT was tongues and interpretation..as for if the gift is contiueing up to our time i already wrote that in my earlier post

"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders," (2 Thessalonians 2:9).

^^^

good for you.

Logicboy03: @Uyi iradia





First bold... if the bible and religion are products of human reasoning, your whole religion and points are then useless. How you cant see that amazes
me

Thank you.

frosbel: @truthislight


The Holy Spirit is a gift that comes directly from GOD to the saved, however there are gifts that can be imparted by the laying on of hands.

"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"" - Luke 11:13

Without the Holy Spirit no MAN or WOMAN can live a victorious Christian life talk less of having eternal life.

The problem I have with the weird manifestations in the videos is that GOD never , like you said, confuses his people, what is all the nonsense about shaking heads, slithering like snakes, barking like dogs, some people were even held on a leash like dogs , howling like wolves at the moon, jerking and all other madness called revival.

Honestly, the moment we take our eyes off the word of GOD we will move into deeper error .

To even think that there are people who called themselves Christians supporting this madness is testimony to the times in which we live , the very last of the last days.

this is what i see the purpose of the spirit will do subsequently:

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. " (Acts 1:.
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This is not talking about powerful works.

The work of the spirit today from the almighty God seems to be focused on leading honest hearted people to salvation rather than miracles.

Does christ still need proving via miracles?
Peace.

Yooguyz: miracles didnt die with the apostles
proof-
ps 103:3- note that reference was made to any convener of the healing power.
Heb 2:4,

mark 16:15- the signs follow "THEM THAT BELIEVE" not them "WHO BELIEVED" this indicates continuation
acts 2:17-- do you believe we are in the last days? Well you know the answer

Yooguyz: mark 16:15- the signs follow "THEM THAT BELIEVE" not them "WHO BELIEVED" this indicates continuation

this part of of the book of mark is called the "long conclusion to the book of mark"

it is not part of the older manuscripts but appeared on manuscripts of the 5ce upward.

You have not given explanation to my questions but rather you have expressed your opinion. Good for you.
Peace

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Sorry, care to rephrase? I didn't get that at all.[/quote]matter cannot "magically" gain consciousness just as a radio cannot just magically start transmitting without an energy source that will bring the circuit to life.

Something kickstarted the human person.

But for the human activity called involuntary action other wise considered as a none deliberate action, it is also the brain that is resposible for it.

It is also the brain that is resposible for the action of a sleeping person since his actions are also involuntary while he is at sleep since he is still not doing things consciously at sleep. But his brain is still active.

While at sleep, certain parts of the brain are still at work.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]If the brain controls everything, how can you talk about voluntary and involuntary actions? It is either the brain is voluntarily controlling something or something is overriding it's will and controlling it. It is illogical to say that the brain controls both voluntary and involuntary actions. Even your own response betrays you.

You are yet to show exactly us how matter magically develops a conscious intelligence.[/quote]matter does not "magically" develop consciousness more less that a radio develop/start transmission without electrical power source.
This ^^^ cannot be denied.

Matter was kickstarted by a source.

But

Involuntary action = none conscious/None deliberate action.

Same thing is possible also when one is at sleep = involutary actions = brain activity. QED.

musKeeto: Forgiveness? Aren't a believer's sins forgiven once he believes and confesses Jesus as His Lord and Savior? What do you mean by saved? Saved from what exactly?

"he that endures to the end will be saved"

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. " (Matthew 10:22).
(being saved is following christ to the end = having the reward, everlasting life)

It is not all what that you hear that you should put faith in.


But to be save this is what the bible says:

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the accurate knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).
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So, if one had believed a lie can he be save? No.

"The inexperience believeth every word: but the prudent man considers his steps (Proverbs 14:15).


Satan knows this that is why he produces counterfeit:

"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light,
"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." (2 Corinthians 11:13-14)

if you fail to ensure to follow the "truth" and end up believing the lie, then it is a pitt.

hisblud: no need for long lecture. this is presentation of ideas bros. Good again,

[size=15pt]breath of life => man => brain => mind => good/bad[/size]

so in conclusion, the "breath of life" which you agree is what animates man, must surely be blamed for the good/bad the object(man) does!

how can the action of the cpu be blamed on the electricity that powered the cpu?
*sigh*

Joagbaje: It's wrong tanybody like this. Did defend anybody? I only pointed issues out of scriptures. You don't blaspheme against the holy spirit because some non Christians groups do similar thing. You don't generalise on such matters. God is still God

I've not watched Deren brown video because I thought it's one of the ones you sent to me before , If it's not one of them ,I will watch and comment.

i had asked you, since it was the apostles that had the power to pass on the gift of the spirit and the other disciple that did received from the apostles could not passed it on, how come that the true gift of the almighty God is still being available today even after the apostles that can only pass it to others have died off?

God did not send it directly to the newly baptised then but needed the apostles to go lay hands on the new disciples, how come today people that did not even see the apostles claim to have and can pass it to others when the early disciple did not have the ability to pass it to others and did not receive it on getting baptised but waited on the apostles laying of hands?

And why is it that they were baptised but did NOT have the gift of the spirit?

Why was there a need for a disciple to want to pay for/buy the power to be able to pass it on to others?

If it was not being transfer by the disciples how is it that you want us to belief that the power around today is of the almighty God and not of satan when the apostles have all died off?
The disciples have all died off also.

afteral we have been warned by this same apostles that know how it works?

Will the almighty and satan be into the same business at the same time? No.

In the period of the Jews it was a form of worship that the almighty have abandon that satan always jumped into.

1. God abandon worship in the mountains then satan took it over.

2. God abandon worship in the temple but today people strugle for the ruins of the temple.

The gift of the spirit had served a purpose of the NT and gave us a guide to worship the almighty in the christian way and that is what that is needed today, worship "in truth".

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).
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why do we still need God and satan struggling for miracles when Jesus had ask us to pray that God's kingdom should come and handle all of human infirmities?

See what Jesus said about worship:

"The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship,

"Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

You worship what you do not know: we know what we worship: for salvation originated from the Jews. " (John 4:19-22)

"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father

in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. " (John 4:23-24).
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When it comes to fixing of all of mankind problames, this is what the plans of the almighty is:

"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God,

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;

and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:3,4)
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If you say that you are using the power of the almighty to do your miracle today, what then is the kingdom of God that will come do?

No, the almighty God is not a God of confussion.


Am waiting for your replies please.
Peace

Joagbaje: frosbel,
when you attribute the workings of Gods spirit to the devil, it is called blasphemy. why would church copy hinduism why can you think that the devil imitates the holyspirit as his custom is. the holy spirit works in divers ways. did jesus shadow heal the sick?. but peters shadow did. did jesu use handkerchief to heal the sick? no but paul did it. the fact that the egyptians magician turned rods to snake like Moses did not mean Moses was a magician. satan may have counterfeit for every truth, but that should not make us destroy the faiths of others by calling truths counterfeit.Jesus didn't tell the apostles everything. he sent the holy spirit to do the job. laying on of hands has always been a principle in God. the facts that certain religion practice should not make us destroy the original.

it was the apostles of christ that laid hands on newly baptism decisples to receive the gift of the holy spirit to do powerful works.

But the disciples that received the gift of the holy spirit from the apostles could not passed it on to others as the apostles did.

When the apostles that had the power/authority to passed on the gift of the holy spirit died out, and also the other disciples that received the gift of the spirit from the apostles but cannot passed it to other people also died off,
why do you think that the original true gift of the almighty God spirit used for powerful works was still spreading after the dead of the apostles that passed it to others?

This people were baptised by other disciples but this disciples that baptised them cannot pass the gift to them.
See:

Acts 8:14-19
14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent
Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they
might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had
simply been baptized in the name of the Lord
Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them
money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may
receive the Holy Spirit.”
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It was the apostles that have the capacity to passed on the gift of the spirit while the recipient from the apostles could not.

That is why the apostle paul could say this:

"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians 2:9-10).


Yes, when the apostles that had the power to pass this gift of the spirit were no more the subsequent set of people without contradiction will not have the genuine thing an as such satan will take over and it will serve to deceive Those that will not search the scriptures to find out the truth for themselves.
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and also say this:

"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away." (1 Corinthians 13:8 )



*edited*

read also from verse 9 of acts 8 to 14 :

9 Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the
people of Samaria. He boasted that he was
someone great, 10 and all the people, both high and low, gave him their attention and exclaimed,
“This man is rightly called the Great Power of God.” 11 They followed him because he had amazed them for a long time with his sorcery. 12 But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good
news of the kingdom of God and the name of
Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and
women. 13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere,
astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw. 14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent
Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they
might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had
simply been baptized in the name of the Lord
Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them
money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may
receive the Holy Spirit.”

Neddivine: All frosbel will achieve by threads such as this is to give sinners reason not to repent and true believers reason to backslide.His is similar or same as the doctrine of annihiliation as upheld by adventists.If I knew all I had to suffer is once and for all termination at the end of life should I sin, then I'll probably drop my bible and have my fill of all sinful lifestyes.Almost all christians will do the same.I mean what is then the basis of horrible afflictions,severe suffering,self denials & brutalities that many believers endure rather than sin against God.Many genuine xtians would rather suffer and die rather than tell a single lie.
I seriously councel mr frobel to pray for light.Also try to back your interpretations on this matter with real life experiences of thousands that God gave them visions of hell and those that died but God sent them back to warn others-all since church history till now.Its true we can't believe all such stories but all of them can't be lies.Just pray and fast till God shows you the ones that are true and scriptures backing them and pray and fast till God shows you the truth on this matter instead of relying on your own carnal interpretations.

is repentance by force?

Has frosbel not been backing up his statement here with lots of scriptures?

"Wages sin pays is death"
that ^^^ is the bible stance.

The rest is your opinion.

Will you force people to give them eternal life? No.

Do you in real life force people to help them? No.

Why thraithen them?

God is righteouse!

greatgenius: yes gorrilas are made in the "image of God"..have you not heard of cultures that revere and worship animals? we are all different extenions or degrees of reflections of the one creator...everythng is a reflection of God.. form is an illusion. matter is an illusion. truth always lies in the core or essence and not form.

what an insult to the person of God?

Animals are now also in God's image?
Because you want prove a lie abi?

Well, you are on your own o!

Na you and gorilla be the same and the same essence.

You be gorilla. QED

hisblud: stop misquoting what he wrote please this is his quote please quote all before the full stop and see who is confused!

what you quoted and what i said are both the same and makes perfect sense.

Trugunn was right with his sentence.

frosbel: Better spend your time on more important things, they are not willing to learn, it's all about who is right or wrong.

We have quoted over a dozen scripture which are so obvious to read and understand , that one has to wonder why some people just like holding onto false doctrine.

How can a MAN be DEAD , when part of him is still alive somewhere, fully intact with memory, thoughts and knowledge, something that the bible , especially through King Solomon ( wisest king ever ) , totally destroys in a few verses.

true my friend.

This is part of the departure from the truth and following doctrine inspired by Demons

D sage: Sorry, I thought you were the one says that. It was Frosbel.

Besides, how does the creation of first man correlate/tantamount to resurrection?

i dont understand this question.

I cannot answer it so that i dont give wrong answer please.

Rephrase.

hisblud: yes agreed, but my question is choose either YES, man has a spirit APART from breath of life OR NO, man has no spirit APART from the breath of life. Choose one only.

my friend dont be slow.

That we take in breath does not mean that the cells were not kickstarted by the spirit also, and that is why i said that what happened was that that the action of the breath kickstarted the life and the breathing process together.

Are you saying it was only the taking in of oxygen that the action of the spirit caused?
for what reason?

Are you saying it was only the kickstarting of the cells that the action of the spirit caused?

Na wao!

hisblud: good. Now what gives life to that mind to function as it aught : to do good or bad?

my friend, dont let us go in circles.

The difference between man and animal is our brain capacity, it is this that makes the difference and makes us in God's image.

The mind is a part of the brain.

The brain are in sections.

Do i really need to start this lecture again!?
*sigh*

hisblud: by the bolded, you have stated the use of the word "spirit" as used in the bible, hope am correct!




and this is also in agreement with truthislight on "spirit", i hope

can you state the difference?

hisblud: hello, you have said that my interpretation of the scriptures are based on greek philosophy, thus i have allowed you to present your scriptural verses and its "interpretation" and using it, you see that its making you to contradict yourself because applying it to context of another verse will spin that idea you want to uphold as the main idea. So that is why i have not given you yet any verse, rather am simply rereading your post and scriptures and see the "light" and ask more questions which in some cases, you have not answered or answered satisfactory.

this is a lie you cook up by your self.

Maybe this was why you stated behaving like Reginuse my friend that attempted something like this on me once. Lol.

But the truth is that he Trogunn never contradicted himself.

hisblud: by the bolded, you have agreed that "No, man does not have a spirit apart from the breath of life", hope am correct!

the breath of life is the spirit cum life force that activated the body, this living man started with taking in oxygen.

TroGunn:
I said that man does not have a spirit in the sense of the breath of life (spirit) being an independent living being that survives the body.

The spirit or life-force acts within man to animate him so he can be said to have it in him, as shown in Psalm 104:29 -"... Thou gatherest their spirit -- they expire, And unto their dust they turn back." (Young's)

Nothing in the above contradicts what I've been saying so far. Read it again slowly.

I said that man does not have a spirit in the sense of the breath of life (spirit) being an independent living being that survives the body.

Man does not have not such, is what it means. The spirit is the life-force, like a current that powers up a robot. Once "animated" the robot does it's thing based on it's cpu (brain).

leave him, the confussion is his own and not yours.

What you said is very correct

hisblud: notice i copied the time and date for you also, could this complete statement be mere typo?

why are you confusing things here?
This is what he said:

"man does not have spirit in the sense of the breath of life being an independent spirit"

how can that ^^^ mean what you are insinuating?
*sigh*