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greatgenius: ^^^^ really.... btw even if you have not heard or seen, are you suggesting that it cant be "pulled" off by anyone esle( using your term)... speaking of pulling off do you believe Jesus was the only one to have risen from the dead?

Affiliated: To the best of my knowledge for now I'll call God energy.

pastormustwacc: *Clears my throat* err you meant the pastorpreneurs?

Zikkyy: 1. Only pagans celebrated their birthdays in the bible: This is probably the only point you’ve made that made some sense. Why? Because it was lifted off the bible as it is;


2. Birthdays in the bible were associated with negative things: DEBUNKED! By Zikkyy I showed that birthday was also associated with positive activities by reference to Joseph. You did not come back with anything serious

deebrain: They cant respond to u. Most "hell fire" preachers, sorry to say, read their bibles like newspaper headlines. So they get confused with posts like these and immediately try to see it as anti-christ.

Affiliated: 2. I'm not the same person as Atheist-D

Affiliated: 3. And one last question. Is the life form of humans or animals the only life form that exist in the WHOLE COSMOS?

greatgenius: this is some nonsense you just uttered( excuse my language)borne out of extreme ignorance..

you just said we were created in the image of God. in other words the essence of God.. ie we have the same essence and nature that makes God who he/she/it is, and yet in the same sentence say, you don't think you are special or extraordinary.. wow.. yet you call this God powerful and worship her..see mockery..time to wake up god brother.

greatgenius: another dancing around.. oh so now the spirit is not God? lol since you want to play semantics here lets play.. is God the father not equal to the son or word?

greatgenius: now my question...
do you agree or can you say going by your analogy(since the bulb filament was lightless or should i say lifeless before the current gave it light)then that a "lite bulb filament is CURRENT MADE LIGHT or The illumination is Current made light?..

Bidam: prophets, jews and apostles you say Dnt even go there bro... Mayb d jews..but never d prophets and apostles.

Affiliated: OK.I see your point of view now. I thought you believed in the trinity doctrine that states that God, The Spirit and The Son are the same thing "God"

Affiliated: OK. You claim that the current is the spirit from God and that is what powers the bulb and enables it to be alive. So isn't the actions of the bulb when producing light just the current animating the glass filament?

Affiliated: Just like the spirit of God animating man?

greatgenius: ^^^ lol dont worry i know he is pretending.. he is just afraid to say he is a god or God made man.. he probaly thinks he will miss heaven when he admitts to it..

Affiliated: Truthislight your analogy left me more confused than before. It seems from your analogy, you agree with Greatgenius but you are however afraid to admit it outrightly

greatgenius: ^^^lol you are dancing again..what do you take me a fool? .. The analogy you just gave, we've past that stage!!.. its the same conclusion we arrived at this time using bulb and current.. you still haven't answered the question that i asked.. lol

greatgenius: ok good so we getting somewhere..
so you agree that the body or dust was lifeless and what animated it was the spirit of God. And this spirit goes back to the owner after death... yet you dont seem to understand why the animated body/man is God made man?

truthislight: this is like asking me if dust is lifeless?

Ofcouse, the mould was from dust and as such lifeless.

To you, is dust lifeless?

The bible says it is the power of God that ignited the mould to life, that is = the spirit that did it and the life is sustain by breathing.

obadiah777: I AM LOST

greatgenius: ^^^ you going around in circles here... forget about soul for a minute if that is what is confusing you and answer this..
was the /adama/mould/body before it became animated lifeless or not when it was first created?

obadiah777: MY EXPLANATION IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE RELIGION OF CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY THE RELIGION IS MAN MADE.

2-YES ALL HUMAN BEINGS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE SATAN

3-ALL OTHER PERSONIFICATIONS OF SATAN IN THE BIBLE FOR EXAMPLE THE RED DRAGON IS THE GRECO-ROMAN EMPIRE. THEY ARE EMPIRES OR PEOPLE

4-JOHN 8 VS 44 IS REFERING TO CAIN WHO WAS A MURDERER AND LIAR FROM THE BEGINNING. DEVIL SIMPLY MEANS 'LIAR'.

5-THE DEVIL AND DRAGON IN REVELATION 20 IS THE ROMAN EMPIRE

TroGunn: Satan is protrayed in the scriptures as a spirit being, once good, but being after his own wrong objectives in opposition to God and with followership.

Job 1: 6-12 - Walks into a gathering of sprit beings in heaven.

John 8:44 "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies".

Matt 4:1-11 - Converses wih Christ while tempting him.

Rev 12: 7-9 - "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him".

greatgenius: "satan" does not exist. he is not a being...it is man made creation.. people as usual not taking responsiblity for theri evil ways have chosen to blame it on a nonexistent satan.

Affiliated: Your explanation is somewhat inconsistent with what majority of Christianity claims. "The claim is that the personality of Satan is acting through people or using them" But I'll accept your explanation.
The next issue is that I want some terms properly defined.
Who is an ungodly person if there's no alternative for God for the ungodly person to accept?
Who is a wicked person once again?
From your explanation all human beings are satan or have the potential to be satan.
Other than the term Satan, all the other personifications of evil in the bible, are they also human beings? The serpent? The great dragon? The devil?

According to the bible, the satan and the devil are the same personality and separate from humans.

1.
John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2.
Revelation 20
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


Jesus clearly states that Just the way He is the Son of God, evil people are Sons of Satan.

obadiah777: NOTWITHSTANDING, THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF HUMAN SPIRIT. HOWEVER IF YOU START INCLUDING ANIMALS AND SINGLE CELLED ORGANISMS, THEN YOU MAY HAVE A POINT WHEN YOU SAY DIFFERENT KINDS OF SPIRITS. AN INTELLIGENT PART THAT SURVIVES DEATH ? >>>> ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 7. THE SPIRIT SURVIVES DEATH. THE SPIRIT IS THE INTELLIGENT PART OF YOU >>>> JOHN 6 VS 63

greatgenius: and how do you understand this?...

like i said polarity is an illusion. the left side of polarity is what you have chosen to call " evil/satan/bad and the right side you have chosen to call godly/rightious/good...

but both sides are illusions.. God or the truth is not at both sides but at the center. God is in the center.the truth is that which balaces both sides. when you miss the mark on either side it you have sinned... imagine this as a person on-a teeter-totter, you loose balance and fall or miss the mark/center if you veer towards either side. The truth is freedom. it is in the center/balanced. it is that which is real not the illusion..

the verse is basically saying you have to test or verify what others/spirits say to know if it is the truth or coming from God or the center..

obadiah777: AND WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT TELL YOU THAT THERE IS SOMEONE CALLED SATAN ? CAN YOU SHOW ME THAT VERSE IN THE BIBLE ? I NEED TO SEE IT. YALL BRINGING IN HERESIES

greatgenius: lol so there are two kinds of spirits yet all are called spirit? satan also has his own spirit? ok so this begs the question whose/which spirit "created" the spirit of "satan".. my friend there is only one spirit. one God. polarity is an iilusion. separation is an illusion...

obadiah777: LOL THAT PHARISEE INCOHERENTISLIGHT IS ALWAYS SCOFFING WITH WRONG INFORMATION THAT BRAH STAYS SCOFFING AT SOUND DOCTRINE. HE IS A GAINSAYER

TroGunn: Actually not correct.

1John 4:1 - "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world".

But I guess the point was just that the word "spirit" can mean different things including "attitude" or "spirit beings" or "breath of life" or "Holy Spirit".

obadiah777: <<< IN LAY MANS TERMS WHAT THAT VERSE MEANS IS ' DEAR FRIENDS DO NOT BELIEVE EVERY LYING PREACHER, BUT TEST THE PREACHERS TO SEE IF THEIR DOCTRINE IS FROM GOD, BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY FALSE PROPHETS' <<<< THATS ALL THAT MEANS. DOES NOT MEAN THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SPIRIT