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obadiah777: LOL THAT PHARISEE INCOHERENTISLIGHT IS ALWAYS SCOFFING WITH WRONG INFORMATION THAT BRAH STAYS SCOFFING AT SOUND DOCTRINE. HE IS A GAINSAYER

it is very possible that @Obediah777 is the same person as @greatgenius.

You both seems to entertain similar ideas.



Just saying.

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greatgenius: lol so there are two kinds of spirits yet all are called spirit? satan also has his own spirit? ok so this begs the question whose/which spirit "created" the spirit of "satan".. my friend there is only one spirit. one God. polarity is an iilusion. separation is an illusion...

my friend, spirit as used in the bible can be a reference to the power of a spirit entity.

And they use their power to achieve their ends accordingly.

While we have our hands and legs to do what we want to do, the hands and legs of the spirit entities are their "spirit".

When a spirit entity come to do something it is its spirit that will be felt, either for good or for bad.

Their power is called spirit in the bible also.

obadiah777: does anyone understand what this brah is saying cuz i dont ? WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY ?

TroGunn: I thnk his meaning is clear. "Spirit" can mean different things in the bible, even as it means different things in our usage today - including alcohol.

because you have been shown your limited knowledge you start bleeding in your here:

obadiah777: WELL YOU BOTH DO ERR. JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT MANIFESTATIONS OF THE GODLINESS OR WICKEDNESS OF A SPIRIT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS STILL NOT THE SAME SPIRIT. THE SPIRIT IN A SATANIC PERSON IS THE SAME SPIRIT IN A GODLY PERSON. ITS JUST THAT THE SATANIC PERSON CHOOSES TO USE THE SATANIC SIDE OF THEIR SPIRIT. WHAT TRUTHISLIGHT IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE SPIRIT IN A WICKED PERSON IS DIFFERENT FROM THE SPIRIT IN GODLY PEOPLE. THATS WRONG. ALL SPIRIT IS BUILT THE SAME. ITS JUST THE CHOICE AND FREEWILL OF THE PERSON TO DECIDE WHICH PART OF THEIR SPIRIT THEY WANT TO SHOWCASE. THIS IS CALLED FREEWILL

you dont even know the usage/application of the word spirit in the bible.

In the context of ephisiance, the spirit is the power that is satan's and he uses it to influence whomever is susceptible to his manipulations:

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" (Ephesians 2:2).

While The spirit ^^^ of satan causes disobedience the spirit of the almighty God produces the fruitage of the spirit of God like:

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith," (Galatians 5:22).

That you dont know this does not mean that you should lie all the time.

There are many ways that the word spirit is used in the bible, dont muddle things up because you see the same spelling my friend.

obadiah777: THE BREATH OF LIFE IS NOT WHAT MAKES THE CELLS START LIVING. THE BREATH OF LIFE ( SPIRIT ) ONLY GETS PUT INTO THE PERSON WHEN THEY POP OUT OF THE WOMB. INSIDE THE WOMB THE CELLS ARE FUNCTIONING WITHOUT THE SPIRIT. SAME WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE IN COMA FOR 30 OR 40 YEARS. THE SPIRIT HAS LEFT THEIR BODY BUT THE CELLS CAN STILL BE MADE TO FUNCTION WITH MACHINES. HOWEVER THEY ARE NO LONGER A LIVING SOUL. JUST A MECHANICALLY WORKING BODY.

are the cells dead for comma patience? No.

Since no, the spirit is the kick starter that enables the dust to come to live with functional cells.

A comma patience is only having a brain problem. Or is brain dead.

obadiah777: does anyone understand what this brah is saying cuz i dont ? WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY ?

thats your limitation, not mine.

I dont know where you see the contradictions.

greatgenius: man formed out of the dust + breath or spirit of God= a living soul.. in other words the spirit of God is that which gives life to the lifeless body or "mould/dust/clay"... that which is animating the body is the spirit of God or God...

i agree with this ^^^

but the one below i dont know where you got that from.

greatgenius: we are God in the flesh...

i beg your pardon?

You lost me here. But we are not immortal. No?

We are children of God, the only one having immortality is christ.
Any way, the word god is a title for those that receive worshipful honor.

greatgenius: exactly at bolded.. the spirit of God is God

no, the spirit of God is the power of God.
The spirit of God is not a person and does not decide to do things on its own but God uses his spirit as he likes. That God uses his spirit to make man does not mean that God literally entered into man, but rather use his power to create man. So, man is not God.

greatgenius: when it enters the clay or body it becomes God in flesh...

the bible said that God created man and not that God entered into man.

"he blew into his nostril" and not that God entered his nostrils.

greatgenius: .thats a contradiction at bolded..

what contradiction

greatgenius: you said earlier that living soul= man/flesh/clay/dust/mould+ spirit of God.

if you did not understand what i had said please say so and stop shouting "contradiction"!

Adam was a mould befor the spirit/breath was put into him.

The "man"/soul that he Adam came to be was a combination of the mould and the breath.

Maybe i should have said "a living man" .

What Adam came to be is what we are talking about and not the mould.

The mould, dust only is not the soul.

The mould+breath = soul.

You cannot have soul independently in the absent of the other, mould and spirit/breath.

please my explanation is exclusively biblical.

Any extrapolation that are outside what the bible says, am not up for it.
Peace.

obadiah777: JOHN 6 VS 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. <<< THE SPIRIT IS THE MAN NOT THE FLESH

the word sprit has many connotations in the bible.

Spirit can be = attitude

spirit = power of God, breath, holy spirit.

Satan also have his own spirit.

Worshpers of satan display a certain kind of spirit = attitude.

Children of God also show a different kind of spirit = attitude

we also have spirit creatures as spirit.

Be concise with the use of the word spirit.

See:

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the

"spirit"

that now worketh in the children of disobedience,
^^^

the "spirit" of satan or the power of satan produce a kind of attitude in sons of disobedience.

So, the spirit shown by the people of satan is their attitude.

Dont just point scripture that dont relate to what we are saying because you see "spirit" there.
Peace.

obadiah777: THE SLAB OF MEAT IS WHAT MAKES A LIVING SOUL

what do you mean "slab of meat"

meat/flesh is the way it is because of the life force, breath of life that acted on it otherwise it is dust.

It this life force that animated the moulded dust to living thing with cell.

Otherwise it will have remain as moulded dust.

The life force or breath is the cause of the spark of life and sustain by it.

frosbel: Don't let me call you a child, if you cannot debate, do the right thing and take your leave, I know that's what your Apostolic faith pastor will advice you to do.

dont west you time replying him gain he is trying to derail this thread.

chukwudi44: Bunchh of deluded fools.Even the useless op is more deluded than the the idiotic watch tower guys? Where on earth was Jesus described as an angel? Moronic human elements.

Heb 1:5 says he is far superior to angels so get a life retards

na by force?

Na for mouth?

The op is more rational than you with your hate.

Affiliated: What you don't realise is that you are also energy

words!

And words can talk.

Talk is cheap.

Talk is free.

Why not Mould an energy/material and pump oxygen into it and let it come to be "a living man"?

Afteral, man is made up of material/energy, that should be easy for you. No?

(Btwn, are you the same person as atheist D?)

This is at best an attempt at distortion and that is why you cannot quote out what the bible says as it is.

See:

hisblud: [quote author=hisblud]1. When God formed man, “Gen 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground”, was he alive or not alive then before God breath into him?

the guilty are afraid.
What bible passage contain exactly what you have posted up there? None.
You have to fixe up things to pass out you greek philosophy.

hisblud: 2. The brain, centre of intelligence, was/is it not part of the formed man apart from the breath of God?

i hope you will not tell us that the brain was already alive befor the breath of God was put into the man.

hisblud: 3. Is it not the combination of dust(formed man including his brain) and God’s breath that together form a Living soul?

The breath was not the soul neither the mould was the soul.

It was a combination of the two, the breath(spirit) and the body(mould) =soul.

^^^ the soul cannot exist in the absent of the other.

When the power of God leaves the body, then no more life and ofcouse no more soul.

hisblud: 4. When you say, Nothing escapes to go live somewhere else, does the breath of God dies along with the body?

the breath of God is God's spirit or God's power it belongs to God and as such goes back to God.

The this breath of life that was put into the body is NOT the soul but the life force that brought the mould to life(soul)

what that was put was the breath of life and what that leaves is the breath of life, the spirit of God.
Dont forget that it took the breath of life and the mould/body to have the soul.

hisblud: 5. Quoting you, “A living man is a living soul”, are you meaning “ a living body is animated by a living soul”?

^^^
that cant be since the spirit of God is what that animate the body and that was what it takes for bring the man to life.

Again, the man is the soul and as such it is something else that anima the man or the soul, or it is something else that keeps the man alive, it is the spirit of God that keeps the soul alive.

When the spirit of God goes into the mould it came to be the man Adam,
when the spirit of God goes into the mould it came to be a living soul.

So, man = soul sustain by the breath or the spirit of God.

now tell me:
where was the soul befor the breath of life was put into the man

advocate666: i really don't see the point of this thread when there's already a live thread dealing with the subject. That thread is not exclusive to anyone and continuing this discussion there wouldn't be derailing it but rather enriching it.
https://www.nairaland.com/1141788/questions-anony-souls

thank you my friend.

They are not using and basing on the bible on that thread but rather using greek philosophy.

But true, this will have enriched that thread.

This is at best an attempt at distortion and that is why you cannot quote out what the bible says as it is.

See:

hisblud: [quote author=hisblud]1. When God formed man, “Gen 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground”, was he alive or not alive then before God breath into him?

the guilty are afraid.
What bible passage contain exactly what you have posted up there? None.
You have to fixe up things to pass out you greek philosophy.

hisblud: 2. The brain, centre of intelligence, was/is it not part of the formed man apart from the breath of God?

i hope you will not tell us that the brain was already alive befor the breath of God was put into the man.

hisblud: 3. Is it not the combination of dust(formed man including his brain) and God’s breath that together form a Living soul?

The breath was not the soul neither the mould was the soul.

It was a combination of the two, the breath(spirit) and the body(mould) =soul.

^^^ the soul cannot exist in the absence of the other. Mould and the spirit

When the power of God leaves the body, then no more life and ofcouse no more soul.

hisblud: 4. When you say, Nothing escapes to go live somewhere else, does the breath of God dies along with the body?

the breath of God is God's spirit or God's power it belongs to God and as such goes back to God.

this breath of life that was put into the body is NOT the soul but the life force that brought the mould to life(soul)

what that was put was the breath of life and what that leaves is the breath of life, the spirit of God.
Dont forget that it took the breath of life and the mould/body to have the soul.

hisblud: 5. Quoting you, “A living man is a living soul”, are you meaning “ a living body is animated by a living soul”?

^^^
that cant be since the spirit of God is what that animate the body and that was what it takes to bring the man to life.

Again, the man is the soul and as such it is something else that animate the man or the soul, or it is something else that keeps the man alive, it is the spirit of God that keeps the soul alive.

When the spirit of God goes into the mould it came to be the man Adam,
when the spirit of God goes into the mould it came to be a living soul.

So, man = soul sustain by the breath or the spirit of God.

*edited*
now tell me:
where was the soul befor the breath of life was put into the man?

davidylan: Huh? what bible are you reading?

can you show a portion of the bible that say that the soul is immortal?

If not, and it is not contain in the bible but you still wish to pass such as the truth its then either God was sleeping when the bible was written or the concept of an immortal soul is false and not the truth of the bible but a product of greek philosophy of plato.

alexleo: You are still running away from the assignment. Go to that thread you are talking about and you ll still see the assignment.

it is obvious you have ran out of bible passages and bible messages to dish out.

But we want people to learn/study their bible.

Bidam: ok what about what apostle peter said: "By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire being kept for the day of judgement and destruction of ungodly men(2pet 3:7)..if u read the entire book of 2peter..u will agree with me(i don't have the resource to quote) that he is talking about the final judgement of ungodly men,blasphemers,slanderers,false prophets and consequently their final destruction..

the bible says that we should not be afraid of the person that can kill the Body But cannot kill the soul(life) but be afraid of him that can kill both the body and the soul(life) in fire.

that ^^^ is telling us that there is a difference between the regular death of mankind and a death resulting from the action of the almighty God that "can destroys both body and soul" = complete destruction or absolute destruction of body and soul, when it is done by God.

And this death that arises from the action of the almighty is = "fire"

1. so, in the bible a death that is cause by God is represented by the word "fire" this tells us that the death is not a regular death that has a hope of a resurrection like Adamic death, but rather, it is a death cause by the almighty God and there is no more hope since the death cause by the almighty God is absolute = both body and soul(life, no more hope of life for that person) and there is nobody in the whole univers that can rest, it back.

(note: in the instance of Adamic death, there is hope for "all" in the gave to come out:
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which
"all"
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, " and come out (John 5:28,29)

so, fire marks the difference between Adamic death that "all" can come out and the one by Yahweh that there is no coming back for such a person.

2. Then, wherever fire is used in the bible, it symbolises a death by God and that death is absolute, complete, no one can restore back life to that person.

3. So then, a death by fire in the bible shows that this death is not an Adamic death.

4. Therefor, death by fire is the means in which the bible diferentiate Adamic death and a destruction by God.

5. Figuratively, fire in the bible is used to signify a permanent rejection or abhorance by God to any person, thing, or place, even organization.

6. The use of the word Fire = a never to returned, repeated event, incident, or conditions.

Peace.

alexleo: I posted this same thing in that thread. If you are sure you are not teaching false then dont run away. If you shy away from this simple assignment that means you are teaching false. Come back here and stop runing for fear of the shame you ll suffer if you are wrong. Your runing away is not helping matters.

dont you think that God knows what and how to do his things? Are you now the one to tell him the next step of action?

It is obvious that you never really have the fear of God hence you teach what the bible does not support.

How else do you explain this presumptiouseness of yours here?

Do you think the hands of God is tied?

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

BARRISTERS: prove it frosbel, must we wait for a year for you to prove 1 plus 1 = 2?

prove your statement agaist what i ask you in the previous page here is it again answer it one by one,then we proceed;



how do you conclude that jesus is not an angel? and was jesus ever 'refered to as an angel, and a God in the bible?

at this point i am weary of frosbel on this topic of him saying that christ never preexisted

it is not a must that he should accept all what the bible says and as such we and him cannot always see face to face on certain matters.

But then, every one have to face the decisions he had taken.

At this point we should not pay much attention to personal opinion/words of mouth of individuals.

He is not just agreeing not because of no bible evidence but because he has not gotten a "revelation" in the spirit that it is what the bible teach, afteral, atheist also need a "revelation" from God to believe that God exist.
^^^
it is a personal thing, i thing we should not bother here with him.

wiegraf: You believe energy is conscious?

add not just conscious but also intelligent.

Since it is alive.
Lol

Affiliated: God created the 2 great lights which is the sun and the moon then almost as an afterthought He created over 70 sextillion stars. The problem is that the moon isn't a light and doesn't produce light

read the scriptures again and get what it says and not what your brain want to read.
Peace

Affiliated: Why are only 6,000 out of 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars visible to the naked eye under the very best conditions when God created all the stars to give light on the earth?

Genesis
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

*strawman*

i thought i red from that ^^^ that God created "two light"
Hmmm!

Affiliated: The basis on which I claim to know and understand the bible more than you is that your default paradigm concerning the bible is that the bible is the perfect word of God and you must interpret all its inconsistencies to the bias you have been programmed with. i however research the bible with a paradigm of what it really is. The work of man [possibly junkies] and compiled by politicians. With this view in mind I see all its glorious inconsistencies for what they really are. The people that compiled the religious books however infused some sort of power into it...
But enough about that. I agree I am a spiritual midget and a fo.ol [At least to you]. So please explain this simple thing that has been revealed to you by the holyspirit for the benefit of we foolish midgets. Why do only six thousand out of 70 sextiliion stars give light upon the earth when God created them all to enable us see at night?

*strawman*

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which
"all"
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment " (John 5:28-29).
^^^
this is the hope of "all" men that have died that never heard of the goodnews about the christ and of the kingdom of God.

But for those that have heard, witness is served:
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a "witness" unto all nations; and then shall the end come. " (Matthew 24:14).
^^^
"witness" having been served it form the basis for judgement now.

Those that never heard about christ will be given an opportunity to hear and make an inform decision during the judgement day:

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." (Revelation 20:12).

^^^
The response of the Resurected to what they will be taught will also form the basis for either they will die a second time or they will pass to eternal life.

lagerwhenindoubt: ^^^ What happens after you die in a state of SIN?

"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be acursed." (1 Corinthians 16:22).

lagerwhenindoubt: Do you go to hell or simply die and await judgement

the preaching about the christ is the basis of Judgement.

So, the death of such a person that has heard and rejects christ is final, no basis for Resurection since he has already heard the message and made his choice.

lagerwhenindoubt: I am more likely to believe the catholic purgatory format or Judaic Sheol (A place of suffering) but is that really Hell that all Sinners will end up?

^^^
that is not a bible teaching.

Why do you think the reason is that there is need for the effort to preach to people of all the nation for a witness to them

God2man: frosbel, where are you? Why is advocate666 silent on an important topic that is related to him? Is it a grand deception from the pit of hell that hell does not exist? but satanist know that it exists . Where do we go from here?

God bless you.

God2man.

why are you this childish?

That Guy advocate is an atheist, if he had known better will he had become an atheist?

When did advocate become a reference point of truth for you?

When did advocate became an authority of a bible teaching?

Is the bible no longer enough for you?

Am ashamed of you.

alexleo: Its a very simple matter which can be cleared this way- lets pray that if our stand on this matter is wrong before God, may God put us to shame here in nairaland and outside here and may our teaching about it crash and if you people's stand on this matter is wrong before God, may God put you people to shame here in nairaland and outside here and may your teaching about it crash. Amen. Do you agree to this prayer?
Frosbel and plappvile are inclusive. Others who believe u too. Same goes to me annony,Joagbaje etc.

"knowing the truth leads to eternal life"

that ^^^ is more important than any other consideration.

Being put to shame by Yahweh is a very serious matter that i will not wish for any body.

Try and look at this matter again.
Peace

Bidam: Dont forget mathew13:42 and luke 13:28 where there is weeping and gnashing of teeths wen the angel throws sinners into the fiery furnace...and pls don't tell me jesus was making a parable here...the truth be told HELL IS REAL AND HEAVEN IS REAL.

all that is simply for emphasis that death by Yahweh is a serious matter.

Of causes it is a permanent death.

Bidam: ok what about what apostle peter said: "By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire being kept for the day of judgement and destruction of ungodly men(2pet 3:7)..if u read the entire book of 2peter..u will agree with me(i don't have the resource to quote) that he is talking about the final judgement of ungodly men,blasphemers,slanderers,false prophets and consequently their final destruction..

the bible says that we should not be afraid of the person that can kill the Body But cannot kill the soul(life) but be afraid of him that can kill both the body and the soul(life) in fire.

that ^^^ is telling us that there is a difference between the regular death of mankind and a death resulting from the action of the almighty God that "can destroys both body and soul" = complete destruction or absolute destruction of body and soul, when it is done by God.

And this death that arises from the action of the almighty is = "fire"

1. so, in the bible a death that is cause by God is represented by the word "fire" this tells us that the death is not a regular death that has a hope of a resurrection like Adamic death, but rather, it is a death cause by the almighty God and there is no more hope since the death cause by the almighty God is absolute = both body and soul(life, no more hope of life for that person) and there is nobody in the whole univers that can rest, it back.

(note: in the instance of Adamic death, there is hope for "all" in the gave to come out:
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which
"all"
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, " and come out (John 5:28,29)

so, fire marks the difference between Adamic death that "all" can come out and the one by Yahweh that there is no coming back for such a person.

2. Then, wherever fire is used in the bible, it symbolises a death by God and that death is absolute, complete, no one can restore back life to that person.

3. So then, a death by fire in the bible shows that this death is not an Adamic death.

4. Therefor, death by fire is the means in which the bible diferentiate Adamic death and a destruction by God.

5. Figuratively, fire in the bible is used to signify a permanent rejection or abhorance by God to any person, thing, or place, even organization.

6. The use of the word Fire = a never to returned, repeated event, incident, or conditions.

Peace.

alexleo: Who is the one telling lies? We that believes the bitter truth that hell burns sinners when they die and you that is preaching the adulterated truth that sinners dont go to hell when they die? You are simply afraid of the bitter truth but it will be quite unfortunate when you leave this world and discover that you have deceived yourself by believing this lie. May God deliver you.

how can you be preaching the unadulterated truth when the bible teaches that the lake of fire means the second "death"?:

"And death and hell were cast into the

"lake of fire. This means the second death.""

(Revelation 20:14).
.............

You dont know the unadulterated truth my friend.
Peace

Dibangoking: Evolution........is like a theory to me and not a fact

i thought it is called "evolutionary theory" and not "evolutionary facts"

have they changed the name?