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plappville: Make you take am easy with our honourable true2god oo, i kn say he sabi derail, but i dey enjoy him style...

I BEG TRY REMAIN SOME FOR US NEXT TIME. THERE IS LOVE IN SHARING....

lol,

ok sis, i hear you.
Next time i will remained some.
Peace

frosbel: I am still waiting for eternal torment cheer leaders to respond with a rebuttal to the questions raised.

show up! How can they?

If you think and hope they will show up then you have an extra large faith.

true2god: Guy remember in the 'is jesus really an arch-angel michael' thread u called frobel a fool for not supporting ur opinion on the matter. I hope he is no longer a fool for 'dubunking' the doctrine of hell fire.

Hmmm!

Me truthislight called someone "a fool"?

Na waoh!

Please refute frosbel on what he is saying and not to attempt to put us on a coalition cause.

I and frosbel agree on lots of things for your information.

chukwudi44: Are you gst?

@edogho

You may also choose to google the topic or read it up in wikipedia

i dont think i am getting the gist yet.

He quoted my post.

I kind of thought he was refering to me.

pastormustwacc: I do not understand you. Are you speaking with respect to soul-travel, or witchcraft travel?

what is the difference?

D sage: That was why I asked "Ymodulus" some few questions about dream, but he run. I'm still waiting for him anyway.

Truthislight and Reyginus who later refused to accept the immortality of soul should also come out to explain the concept of dream.

Note; please, my own immortality of soul does not tantamount to rising of dead in the heaven or hell.

the concept of dream can be :

1. Stored info in our mind being relayed due to our unconsciouse/consciouse imaginations based on our concerns and fears.

2. Infusions of information from spirit forces into our minds.

The mind is part of the brain, having to do with our stored experiences and knowledge.

This ^^^ directly determined our likely cause of actions in life.

If spirits infused info into your mind that is what you may play out by action

D sage: @truthislight,
I'm happy you agree with me that SPIRIT is forces while the SOUL is life. Besides, the bible verse you gave does not invalidate the immortality of the soul. If I may ask according to your referred bible verse, where does his breath goes to?

the breath from hebrew "ruach" or from greek "pneuma" or spirit is from God.

The breath/force that sustain the life/soul is from God.

The same breath sustain animal and man.

The spirit of God is use for many other things that God does.

This animating force/spirit belongs to Yahweh.

The spirit of Yahweh does whatever Yahweh wants it to do.

That force belong to God and as such it is said that it goes back to its owner God.
It goes back to God in that the hope of life of that person ever again can only be determined by the giver of the spirit, God.

pastormustwacc: Very interesting. Maybe we should bring in soul travel, because some claim the soul can travel outside the body, or is it the spirit now? And what happens when we dream - is it that our soul travel or we just immagine things?
For people in occult, when they go for meetings, is it their soul or spirit that travel? I don confuse even, bows out. . .

you are talking about demonic illusions.

Satan has power and makes thinks appear the way it will suit his stance.

Billyonaire: Yes, I have died before. And before I died, I realized that we are very mechanical in nature. I experienced that the body vibrates from its atomic levels once every 4 seconds. Self revolved 360 degrees before getting out of alignment with the physical body, and I was everywhere I thought of. Just a thought about village, and I was there instantly (funny thing is my brother called to say he saw someone resemble me in the house if I came home). A thought of America, and I was there instantly. A thought of astral library and I was there. And I seemed to understand whole concepts. And lest I forget, before I jetted out of the body, it was with a loud bang! After that, I practiced how to do it voluntarily, scary till this moment, cos I always feel like am dying but conquering the fear is the greatest of all.

go meet a voodoo priest for more witch craft lesson.

Peace and out.

Billyonaire: Bible lacks basic information about Soul. Using a Bible to study about spiritual things is like readiing 'Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart' to write NASA's rocket science exams. Bible was written for a generation, if you keep that as your guide to knowing about Time machines and the Universe, then you are equiped with a wooden hammer to repair a Laptop. Using Bible as a guide is living between 2012 yrs to 6000 yrs ago.

lol.

Guy you are really on "astra travel"

i have got no time to west on you.

Your way is the easy way out.

In fact, it is the same thing our ancestors belief in.
peace.

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Billyonaire: Congratulations for your ability to speak in tongues. Hallelujah. You asked a question, you got a response, you disbelieve without iota of alternative resolvability for your doubts. You left religion and got stucked in philosophy and logic even when you have unanswered questions that logic cant solve. I left religion, i moved on to logic, logic couldnt solve, I moved on to spiritism and mysticism and all my questions are answered. So this is what we experience on the other side. Hovering over the body, going to other planes and getting all answers.

demonic illusions.

Billyonaire: Brain is physical organ, while thought is energy. When brain goes bad thoughts are affected cos damaged organs cant function properly.

that ^^^ does not really make much sense unless you wish to rephrase it.

Billyonaire: Soul is energy, and you should know the basic laws of physics about energy already. Soul is essence of life. You need to understand that Bible has lots of misinterpretations and short comings. Bible isnt relevant when it comes to adept studies about the universe and man. Bible is a wonderful christian literature that can guide the conducts and behaviors of humans but it has limitation. Bible is simply lacking in this aspect.

so it is this you permutation that will be more accurate baaa?

Have you died befor? No? So keep it.


bible is not just "lacking in this aspect" but rather refute this your stance.

I will not bother with you as long as you dont say that what you are saying are bible based.

Billyonaire: You are funny. There is no consciousness without Soul. Brain is simply a physical organ that controls bodily activities including registering memory data to mind. Soul animates all living things, without which there is no life. Soul of a Brain dead person bilocates from the body and almost always hovers above the body awaiting the next signal by the cosmic mind.

this is not said to be biblical so i will not bother with it.

Logicboy03: Yawn.

There is no soul. Just our brains and consciousness.


Simple question....where is the soul of a brain dead person in a coma?

another name for the living person is soul.

Another name for the living animal is soul.

Do you need scripture.

Dont be intimidated cause it is saying the same thing with you.

People were looking for moses to kill him, but the bible said that they were looking for his soul.

Meaning that they wanted to collect his life or they wanted to kill him.

Again, they wanted to end his soul.

Living entity with blood = soul.

Living entity with blood = having life.

Soul = the life that they have.

The life/soul is sustain by the breath/spirit.

Same breath for man and animal.


The spirit or breath is the force that sustain the life.

If anybody needs scripture for any of the above tell me.
Peace.

mazaje: It has NOT been established that thoughts are non physical; since the entire process that brings about thoughts is a physical process and you can not think about immaterial things, just because I agreed with anony that thoughts are non physical does not follow that souls exist. All thoughts come from and are processed in the brain without which a person can not think. . .

why is it then that when the brain goes bad thoughts are affected?

Is the brain no longer a physical thing?

frosbel: The Soul as a concept is inseparable from the complete MAN.

Contrary to popular opinion, a MAN consists of a material and mortal body and immaterial spirit. All a man's thoughts , intellect and will originate from a combination of the inner workings of this life giving spirit and the physical functioning of the brain.

When a person dies and the source of this animation leaves , that MAN becomes dead and no longer qualifies to be called a SOUL. Which is why dead people are referred to as bodies, a body is void of the animated live giving spirit.

To suggest that MAN has another distinct personified element to him other than his animated body is wrong, biblically speaking.

thank you my brother, and that is why the bible says that the soul dies.

Logicboy03: Why are we even talking about thoughts? This is Anony's plan to divert the question.


The fact is simple. Souls do not exist. Our consciousness depends on the brain. Dead brain, no consciousness.

A good question for soul believers is; Where is the soul of a person in a brain dead coma?

the bible teach that the physical man that alive and working that is the soul.
the life that a man have.

It is not separate from the person/man.

greatgenius: the souls contains the body and not the other way around.. the closest i can come too using humans words to describe the soul will be to imagine the soul like your aura. it surrounds and contain the body within it..when you are ready to "die" the soul simply drops the physical body..

so the spirit or breath of God that was put in the body and it came to be a "living soul" was later put in that "container soul" of yours abi?

Smh for you platonic philosophers.

hisblud: well its established that tots are non physical. Its not the soul but the brain that is faulty!

so what is the function of the soul you talked about and where is it located?

You have not answered the main question yet, do you wish to go to question 3 like Annony?

hisblud: what we are focusing on is the "root" which is non-physicality of thoughts not the branch which is some tangibility.

Rubbish!

What is root and what is physical?

Can you state them?

Logicboy is teaching you instead of telling him thank you you came up with that?

Are you not a christian? What is wrong with your bible?

Logicboy03: Contradiction in bold. Energy is physical

All I said was that there is some tangibility to our thoughts. I wonder why you say my illustration is irrelevant

dont mind the intimidation.

Your illustration was super.

wiegraf: All this talk about 'souls'. Well, it is a thread about souls I suppose, hence my holding back. Anyways, for all of you pushing souls, people with schizophrenia, which is faulty, their souls or brains?

good question.

Facts dont need too many words to state.

Billyonaire: The Mind is a virtual reporsitory where brain archives information. Mind is where brain shares info with soul. Mind is virtual repository, the brain sends info to virtual server (mind) for permanent storage. There are interchange of info btween brain and mind on a molecular level via dedicated nerves in the brain. Its a new field of research in medical sciences dedicated to this and OBE. When we die the mind keeps info on soul and soul comes to new body armed with info of previous experiences of life and that individual can easily pick up on experiences of past life. A study of reincarnation offers insight into mind as memory or HDD of soul.

i think i will have to divide your post into two parts, the logical/rational aspect and the none rational aspect.

Now this:

Billyonaire: The Mind is a virtual reporsitory where brain archives information. Mind is where brain shares info with soul. Mind is virtual repository, the brain sends info to virtual server (mind) for permanent storage.

except the use of the word soul there i will have said that the mind is a part of the brain that archives are stored and use later


this ^^^ is the logical part.

While this:

Billyonaire: When we die the mind keeps info on soul and soul comes to new body armed with info of previous experiences of life and that individual can easily pick up on experiences of past life. A study of reincarnation offers insight into mind as memory or HDD of soul.

is the "none rational" part and i know that you dont have any basis on how you arrived at this except of some sort of permutation. Lol.

My authority is the bible and so far it is even the atheist that seems to present info that buttress the bible stance while the supposed "christians" have resorted to philosophy of plato.

See this:

"His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts do perish." (Psalm 146:4).
..............

You see, it is the atheist that have ideas close to that ^^^.

Logicboy03: a) Let's say that I slapped your wife for abusing me. That then creates tension when we both meet the next day. Is that tension physical?

b) There is tangibility to our thoughts . Our thoughts are memory based. Our thoughts are based on what we have seen and our brains ability to recollect and visualize. So, when you are thinking of something, you are actually doing something physical; recollecting a visual memory stored in your brain and analyzing it. It is a very physical process to make a thought

Hmmm!

I think if you continue like this i will have to remove illogical from your name and let it remain as logicboy.

obadiah777: I WENT APOSTATE BRUV LOL. YEAH FAMILY IS IN TOWN. HAD TO GO REPRESENT. TRUST ALL IS WELL BRUV

good.

Just ensure you will not do what Jesus will not do.
Peace

advocate666: See what I mean, Mazaje?
This charlatan has turned the tables on you: he is now the one asking the questions and you are the one answering. Why do you indulge him so?

honestly i think it is unfortunat that the "teaching of God's word" should take this technique.

The right thing will be to quote the bible in all aspect and let the bible answer all the questions.

greatgenius: wrong the mind is not the brain. the mind exists in every cell of your body.

na wao!

When you are ask "what is in your mind"? Is that a question to other part of your body?
Hmmm!

The mind is the brain Abeg

Reyginus: Lolol. This is what happens when you don't understand the implication of what you are typing. Do you really?

dont lie against him dude.

you have lied in this fashion against me in this forum befor dont forget.

Reyginus: The question he asked is completely different from your response. We know the brain is behind the moulding of thoughts and determines how everything is controlled. What he wants to know is the spatial measurement of this thoughts. You didn't answer that.

and maezaje had ask is where is the location of this soul in the human body?
*Smh*

a discuss of this sort should it not be reference with the bible?

obadiah777: HAVE YOU FINISHED PROSTRATING IN FRONT OF THAT CHRISTMAS TREE YOU BOUGHT FOR XMAS ?

lol. Chrismas tree? Me? Lol.

"I jump am pass", Chrismas ke?

guy where went you?

I learnt you travelled that is why you were missing for sometimes in here?