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ijawkid: was sent to the earth......spirit messengers of GOD are rightly called angels...........

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very simple but the truth.

Dogma and tradition will keep blinding people to this truth.

But then, the truth remains the truth weather trinitarian agrees or frosbelite refuse it does not change anything.

What kind of debate is this that we just have people shouting no from their head?

West of our precious time indeed.

Well, for the benefit of sincere seekers of the truth we shall continue to fight the fine fight of defending the consistency of the bible and not let people to contradict it.

Well done brother Ijawkid for that simple fact up there.

frosbel: Wrong.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Who makes his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: - Psalm 104:4

A messenger can either be an angel or a MAN.

A man is never called an angel or vice versa.

Angels are extraterrestrial beings !

you shouted "wrong!"

what is wrong in this statement you shouted at:

TroGunn: Jesus did not consider it demeaning to carry out his Father's wishes. Why do people think it insults Christ to obey God and act in whatever capacity God wants him to (even if that capacity is to command God's holy angels) when Christ himself said: "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me". - John 5:30?

you see your life!

You will see bible portion and say it is wrong because you dont have respect for the word of God the bible.

Did not Jesus said he will do nothing of his own initiative? Yes he did, but frosbel said wrong and posted scriptures that are irrelevant on the topic at hand.

Did any body said that angels are not ministers? No.

But frosbel will just keep being a source of confussion here.

Well, his antics are clear for all to see.

He feels it will destroy his doctrine that christ never preexisted.

I wander what the value of his contribution on this thread has been so far.

frosbel: Wrong.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Who makes his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: - Psalm 104:4

A messenger can either be an angel or a MAN.

A man is never called an angel or vice versa.

Angels are extraterrestrial beings !

this means you are not following what is being said in this "class".

This have been addressed already.

frosbel: You are simply repeating what they told you at kingdom school.

Jesus is not angel Michael, abeg !!

which one is kingdom school na?

Why do you hate the JW na?

The spirit from above rejoices with the truth?

You have raise many thread about the JW in this forum and that should be be enough to discussed the JW.

Meanwhile, why do you seem to dislike the JW?

"the spirit of the truth rejoices with the truth"

true2god: The entire verse has no place in their funny doctrine, only the 'voice of the arch angel' makes meaning to dem. If u ask any1 of dem to explain the significance of dat particular verse and the entire chapter they will start talkin funny. They wont tell u straight.

Is christ coming back to raise the dead and take the living up in the air? They will start rig-ma roaming twisting and squeezin out falsehood without independedent reasning but will start giving a tailored\programed response rehearsed frm the assembly halls. Tufiakwa!

Let them tell their ignorant members dat Jesus is arch angel Michael. Thank some of dem dat had brought that this issue with me in my house got dissapointed wen i pointed their falsehood to their face.

do you know the bible?

You dont even know what the bible teaches, but see how proud you are.

On this thread who can you take on a debate and come out victoriouse?

Since you are a master of the bible can you start refuting the issues here and stop talking about your self?

Any of the person you see on this board will trash you in particular when it comes to what the bible says, but they have been very humble while you are here boasting.

Keep your pride and start learning.

Goshen360: ^^^
Don't mind him jare my dear....he likes you but doesn't know how to say it in the open forum like this. I'm speaking on his behalf.You know say him na musKee and want to bite you but you go slap any musKee that attempts to bite you, lolz....#HeOnceToldMeHeWasEyeingYou,shhhhh,Don'tTellHimIToldYou#.....

you talk like a prophet.

This two go along way.

It is muskee that let me to know that Tpia na babe.

How did he come to know that?

goshap: nw bk,sry it 2k long.

Bible quotes n verses wit regards 2 hell fire.

Isaiah 34:9 ,"The streams of Edom shall be turned into pitch and her soil into brimstone; her land shall become burning pitch.

The Word of the Lord says in Revelation 21:8"As for the cowardly, however, and the unbelieving, and the fearful, the murderers, the immoral, those practicing magic arts, and idolaters, and all liars- their lot isin the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."
Hebrews 10:26-27 ,"For if we goon sinning willfully after acquiring the knowledge of the truth, there is no longer left any sacrifice for sins, but some dreadful anticipation of judgment and of a fierce fire thatis to devour those who oppose God."
This fulfills the word of God written in the book of Isaiah 66:24"They shall go forth; they shall gaze upon the dead bodies of those who have rebelled against Me; for their worm shall not die, nor shall their fire be quenched; they shall be an abhorrence to all mankind."Also in Mark 9:44 ,"Where their worm never ceases and the fire is not put out.

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thanks

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who is this gal shouting your name?
Lol

CrazyMan: I'm sorry friend...if you claim to be a christian, and still maintain your stand, then something is really wrong somewhere.

leave that guy, see his profile.
Lol.

true2god: It is the watchtower org dat is tryin to twist the simple book of hebrew dat is written in simple english, and no longer latin, for we english speakers in Nigeria and other part of the world to understand better. No one is contractin the bible but the JW, especially on dis particular issue.

Was Jesus christ called Mighty God in NWT of Isaiah 9:6 or not? Did the writter of Hebrew quoted the Father (God) calling the Son, God in Heb 1:8? Where in ur NWT was christ directly or indirectly called an angel, without jextaposin unrelated verses to support an unfounded argument? Where? But in ur Nwt the son was directly called, Mighty God.

Anyway i wont be surprised to see later publications of NWT edit Isaiah 9:6 to read an entire new and diffrent meaning (wen the light becomes more brighter). It had been done before so im expectin those changes soonest.

its your word Gainst this:

Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.

So simple.

Keep fighting the bible.

frosbel: JW guys and gals, Jesus is not an angel, was not prior to his coming and will never be the same person as angel Michael no matter how hard you try to twist and 'squeeze' scripture to align to this rather strange concept.

has the JW NWT been quoted here? No.

So what is your point.

Irrelevant point.

Boomark: @trugunn

(a) 1 Thess 4:16 - "For the Lord
himself will come down from
heaven, with a loud command,
with the voice of the archangel
and with the trumpet call of
God, and the dead in Christ will
rise first".

This shows Christ will resurrect
the dead, with ArchAngel's
voice.

So his loud command/shout cannot raise the dead? the trumpet of God also means nothing? Only the arch angels voice that suit what you want will raise the dead.

Please be sincere.

so christ will go borrow a voice that is greater than his own when he has been made higher than all person in heaven and on earth to resurrect the dead, Abi?


Will christ need to borrow the archangels voice or the archangels voice is his own because he is the archangel?

No. The greatest voice right now is the voice of the arch angel's and it is the voice of christ not because he borrowed it but that it is his own voice.


That is the truth.

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true2god: It is the watchtower org dat is tryin to twist the simple book of hebrew dat is written in simple english, and no longer latin, for we english speakers in Nigeria and other part of the world to understand better. No one is contractin the bible but the JW, especially on dis particular issue.

Was Jesus christ called Mighty God in NWT of Isaiah 9:6 or not? Did the writter of Hebrew quoted the Father (God) calling the Son, God in Heb 1:8? Where in ur NWT was christ directly or indirectly called an angel, without jextaposin unrelated verses to support an unfounded argument? Where? But in ur Nwt the son was directly called, Mighty God.

Anyway i wont be surprised to see later publications of NWT edit Isaiah 9:6 to read an entire new and diffrent meaning (wen the light becomes more brighter). It had been done before so im expectin those changes soonest.

lol.

Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.

i will continue to post this to you and you will continue to argue against it.

Its your words against the words of the bible.

TroGunn: Apparently the word translated "messenger" can also be rendered as "angel". While most translations use the term "messenger" in Mal 3:1, some opted for "angel":

Douay-Rheims Bible ( a translation by "English College, Douai, in the service of the Catholic Church".)
Behold I send my angel, and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the testament, whom you desire, shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts.

Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.

Whichever term is used, meaning is clear and is the same - "messenger".

lol, the bible calls Jesus angels and they are shading tears because of trinity.

What is their problem self?

They are taken hebrews out of context and have ended up contradicting the bible.

Lol. Wont you people leave the trinity alone?

*sigh*

vedaxcool: Really have you confirmed your allegations or your are also sweeping that under the carpet? You go to the Islam section and see how people freely criticise Islam in a civil way! Mac cannot be blamed for anyone's uncouth ways.

well, hope so.

Boomark: that is envy to a guy that give truth as light. SMH!

Me am looking for how to unlike obadiah's post without liking it first. Example:
like=1like
unlike 1st like=0like
what i want is unlike= -1like.

Seun please!

lol.

777, post must really have annoyed you?

Waoh! Just try and bear it out.
Peace

obadiah777: I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT HIS PARENTS DID NOT NAME HIM 'THIEF'

well then, that is how satan came to bear the names he is called.

Slanderer and opposer.

Satan and devil.
Peace

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES IJAWKID >>> COLOSIANS 1 VS 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: <<<<< THAT DONT LOOK LIKE THE APOCRYPHA TO ME. THAT THERE IS THE NEW TESTAMENT

a thief was not born a thief but is called a thief when he out off his mind decided to take other people property, then, people will call out at him :

thief o!

Was that the name the parent gave to him?

when i said you are better off for the comedy you think i was lying

do you know how funny this sounded?
Lol.

You have made me laugh the first time today.

Funny guy.

obadiah777: @ doubleDx .
YOU HAVE BEEN EARMARKED FOR THE 2013 LIST OF PHARISEES

Logicboy03: I give up.

Good you did give up and not to cruxify frosbel for what he did not say.

Good boy!

(now i understand what is annoying frosbel about you. Lol)

Logicboy03: Explain the languish of the rich man and the enjoyment of Lazarus then.

the this perable refers to a complete rejection of a religious system of the pharisee.

While God accepts the poor people that followed his son and his and the way and what he taught.
Peace.

vedaxcool: Buhuhu let me join you people in crying, even manmuswac is wacking tears that is sad, Nigerians and their discipline issues, always wanting to break the law and not wanting to do the time, lolz in manmuswac dictionary logicboy is a first time offender or wait even a second time offender here let me quote JeSoul words of solace:

Guy, lets be more realistic a bit.

Dont you enjoy the more freedom you have in posting in this section?

When your religion is being criticised by others, it enable you to go reach deeper inside your religion and produce the treasures thereing if any, it cant always be seen to be bad.

Do you think crossing the road with a blind fold is a rational thing to do?

Neither is sweeping issues under the carpet a wise thing also.

Facing things/issues the way they are shows you are a realist.

His style(maclatunji) is doing more harm to the perception of his religion.
Peace

TroGunn: After going through 19 pages of this thread, seems this can be called.

The defense of those who reject Christ as Archangel seem based largely on just Heb 1:4-6 - "So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?"

This shows clearly Christ to be superior to angels. However, this verse does not necessarily contradict Christ being Archangel as the the term "Archangel", meaning "Chief Angel" shows superiority to the normal angels, obviously under the command of the Archangel.

What appears to be the superior argument, based on several bible verses equates Jesus to the ArchAngel Michael. This is because the scriptures listed strongly link actions assigned only to God's Son Jesus as also being assigned the ArchAngel.


(a) 1 Thess 4:16 - "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first".

This shows Christ will resurrect the dead, with ArchAngel's voice.


(b)John 5:25-28 - "Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice".

This shows Christ will resurrect the dead, with his own voice. Meaning Christ's Voice = ArchAngel's voice.

(c)Dan 12:1; Revelation 12:7; Jude 1:9 - "But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!""

These verses identifies ArchAngel as being called Michael, and having angels at his command.The term "the Archangel" as used in Jude may also indicate there's only one Archangel.

(d) Malachi 3:1 - "Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant , whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts".

Here the word commonly translated as "angel", meaning "messenger" is apparently used for Christ.


It was also showed that being Archangel is not insulting to Christ as he was even lower than angels at some point before being exalted by God above every other creature.

Also Heb 2:9 - "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man".

Clearly, "nothing spoil" in Christ being Archangel, leading angels and being at the forefront of carrying out God's assignments. The scriptures support it. Seems the issue is really about strongly held beliefs that can't be supported from the bible.

remain bless.

Boomark: ##Douay-Rheims Bible
Behold I send my angel, and he
shall prepare
the way before my face. And
presently the
Lord, whom you seek, and the
angel of the
testament, whom you desire,
shall come to his
temple. Behold he cometh,
saith the Lord of
hosts.

Can you explain why john was called an angel?

this should be a translation issue.

The word for angel and messenger means the same.

The one preparing the way is John the baptist and we all know that.

note the separations below and try again.
Still bearing in mind that the word angel and messenger means the same thing here.

##Douay-Rheims Bible


1. Behold I send my angel, and he
shall "prepare"
"the way before my face." And

presently

"the Lord, whom you seek"
and the angel of the testament,
"whom you desire",
shall come to his
temple".(the massaiah)


Behold he cometh,
saith the Lord of
hosts.


Can we say it is John the baptist that the jews and all the people desired? No

but rather the massaiah that John the baptist was the fore runner.
Peace

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Boomark: We all know who angels are. So i want to know if john the Baptist is an angel, is he?

this is childs play.

Should use my time for more important things and not for all post.

frosbel: Hi Brother, good to know you are still around.

Best wishes !!

the first thing is that some one said Ogoamaka is a woman with a male on her profile meaning that she is a deceit.

plappville: That is why we have to look into things from the bible not outside it. If we must help ourselves, we must alow the scripture to do that.

Again, It is unscriptural because all biblical Figures that died and came back did not in anyway told us how hell or Heaven looks like.
This is not a matter of interpretation, i did not interpret anything, i just presented the scriptures and no where did we see such.

We have several resurrection stories in the Bible, none said similar things:

OT: Elijah resurrected the son of Zarephath's widow, see 1 Kings 17:17-24

Elisha resurrected the son of the great Shunammite woman, see 2 Kings 4:35

A dead man comes back to life when he touches Elisha's bones, see Kings 13:21

NT: Jesus resurrects the widow's son at Nain, see: Luke 7:13-15

Jesus raises Jairus' daughter from the dead, see: Matthew 9:25, Mark 5:42, and Luke 8:55

Jesus raises Lazarus from the dead, see: John 11:43-44

Many saints resurrected at Jesus' crucifixion. see Matthew 27:52-53

Peter raises a female disciple named Tabitha from the dead. see: Acts 9:36-42

Paul raises Eutychus from the dead. see: Acts 20:9-12

With all these, the bible still did not tell us that "JAZEBEL" is in hell burning already.

[s]I am not going to talk or discuss an arguement with you anymore, since you said you were not forcing Him. Case close.[/s]

this my sis is too much.

Salutaion sis

seriallink: @Truthislight,

I agree with you. Mr. Ube is fond of twisting people's words. I was really pissed when he acussed me of what I never wrote anywhere on this thread.

That was why I had to just get him so he can amend his ways. Never again will I engage him in any debate! I understand his frustrations & hates for non-catholics and people who do not agree with their dogmas. He carries beefs from one thread to the other. I hate that. Infact that was the reason I stopped debating italo!

ok i get you.

But if you dont expose lies for what it is they will pass it as the truth and deceives other people.

I dont even enjoy this thread but am here to point out the truth and defend Yahweh.

Satan is a liar and will ever remain a liar and a deceiver.
Peace

doubleDx: How is liking a comment an issue Dayummm! Do I smell jealousy?

thank you my brother.

You took the words out of my mouth.

They worship satan and blame God.

He he came here to proof that point and failed and is turning around to lie against other people.

He has been proved to be a liar just like his father, the father of the lies.