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Ubenedictus: made an intelligent guess, i followed d likes so far on truths post it seems many of dem are urs. Correct me if im wrong!

Ubenedictus: the bolded part jerk started dis discussion, and d comment was made by truthislight wu said God gave adam opportunity to "proof" as if God needed to proof of satan, my point was that God didnt need to wait and see any proof from satan becos God already knew what will happen even b4 it happened. Now seriallink claims he didn't support dis idea yet he has been supporting truthislight arguement thru dis thread!
I can also find 2 likes on that statement and i'd be suprised if seriallink isn't among those wu liked dat satement!

truthislight: satan started in heaven.

The one who troubles them day and night.

Since Adam was a freewill entity he has to put the symbol of his authority in the Garden so that as long as Adam keep obedient to him he will not fall for satan as some other angels in heaven had followed satan.

Roman 16:16- to whomever you obey such is you master.

As long that Adam keep obedience to God by not eating from the tree God remain with him, so when he disobeyed God abandon him.
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"But for satan to proof his challenge to God that Adam will be better off eating the fruit time was needed to proof whose principle was better for man".

If God had kill satan the challenge will not have been answered.

Infact it would have appeared that God was a cruel dictator that abuses his power and kills whomever opposes him.

truthislight: But for satan to proof his challenge to God that Adam will be better off eating the fruit time was needed to proof whose principle was better for man.

Ubenedictus: the bolded part jerk started dis discussion, and d comment was made by truthislight wu said God gave adam opportunity to "proof" as if God needed to proof of satan, my point was that God didnt need to wait and see any proof from satan becos God already knew what will happen even b4 it happened. Now seriallink claims he didn't support dis idea yet he has been supporting truthislight

Ubenedictus: ok, i hear, i thought u totally agreed with that post besides i thought u have been argueing truthislight's point.

i thought u agreed completely, sorry!

i didnt say God forces pipo either.

Ubenedictus: the bolded part jerk started dis discussion, and d comment was made by truthislight wu said God gave adam opportunity to "proof" as if God needed to proof of satan, my point was that God didnt need to wait and see any proof from satan becos God already knew what will happen even b4 it happened. Now seriallink claims he didn't support dis idea yet he has been supporting truthislight arguement thru dis thread!
I can also find 2 likes on that statement and i'd be suprised if seriallink isn't among those wu liked dat satement!

Ubenedictus: the bolded part jerk started dis discussion, and d comment was made by truthislight wu said God gave adam opportunity to "proof" as if God needed to proof of satan,

Ubenedictus: since u called me a liar, then i have to acknowledge u stupidity, try telling me what worship it using the root words. If u dont know u shuld ask kwesun b4 u accuse.

TroGunn: What did you do again? You know those our brothers don't like criticisms. Anyway, there's nothing wrong in asking for answers about christianity or other religion on issues which you don't feel is right. Jesus encouraged questions. He said ask and it will be given to you.- Matt 7:7.

musKeeto: U wan truncate people hustle?
I know when I sow that I reap. I don't care if you have proof that the Bible supports it or not. I do it and it works for me. That's all that matters.

I don't care what pastor does with my money. If im like, make im use am sponsor terrorists and open brothels, na God go judge am.


To obey is better than to sacrifice.

centje: and you're...the chief priest

obadiah777: LOOK AT THIS BELLIGERENT PHARISEE CALLED TRUTHISLIGHT

seriallink: @Buzugee, this your theory of Satan doen't exist is scary. I think, I'll have to drop it right here! It's confusing my faith. Thank you though!

Ubenedictus: u should stop lying and twisting my words, seriallink yes i believe in predestination and d teaching is found in d bible, but im a catholic christian i dont believe in predestination unto reprobation! That is y i have been correcting u by bolding ur statement and telling u what i didnt say, i do no associate d words "predestinatinn" to "sin". To put it clearly i have NEVER said God predestined anyone to sin. Instead i said GOD IS PRESCIENT AND KNEW WHAT WILL HAPPEN FROM D BEGINNING, BY HIS PRESCIENCE HE ALWAY KNEW MAN WOULD SIN. Now i point of warning, i won't appreciate it again if u put words in my mouth.

Ubenedictus: Man ur theology is just a bag of wow! this is ignoratio elenchi, i never said the bloded, God knew man will fall was what i said.

ignoratio elenchi, irrelevant to d discussion, God instructed adam on what to do, that doesnt mean God was ignorant on what adam would do. God also instruct the isrealite in d 10 commandment that doesn't mean God was ignorant of what d israelite would do.

it clearly seems u are confused. Please can u learn d meaning of d words "prescient" and "ominiscient"?

Ubenedictus: man u are becoming sloppy, ha! It seems ur bible must b fake if it doesn't have predestination. Cos mine has. Rm 8:29-30 For those whom he foreknew he also PREDESTINED to be conformed to the image of his son, in order that he might be firstborn among many brethren. And those he PREDESTINED he also called, and those he called he also justified, and those he justified he also glorified RSV.
If that isn't enough 4 ur take this verse to go with eph1:5 he destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus christ, according to the purpose of his will. Those passages are in both my bulletin, missal, sacramentry and bible oh! and church fathers. If that can't be found in ur awake and bible then u have thrown away some bible passage and teachings.
Weldone.

obadiah777: LOL YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES. HE HAS THAT LEFT HAND FOR CORRECTION AND DISCIPLINE. ANYWAY I JUST GOOGLED AND FOUND AN ARTICLE DESCRIBING HIS LEFT HAND. ITS QUITE LONG BUT ITS EXACTLY AS I SAID IT http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands3.htm

LIKE IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILD BUT YOU STILL HAVE A HIDDEN KOBOKO IN THE CUPBOARD FOR IN CASE HE DOES SOMETHING WRONG. HIS LEFT HAND IS THE KOBOKO. HOWEVER HE DOES NOT WIELD THE KOBOKO HIMSELF, HE USES OTHERS TO DO IT. PROVERBS 16 VS 4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil

obadiah777: LIKE IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILD BUT YOU STILL HAVE A HIDDEN KOBOKO IN THE CUPBOARD FOR IN CASE HE DOES SOMETHING WRONG.

obadiah777: YES THERE IS WITCHCRAFT AND SORCERY. GOD HAS TWO POWER SOURCE THAT YOU CAN TAP INTO. ITS CALLED THE RIGHT HAND AND THE LEFT HAND POWER SOURCE. THE RIGHT HAND POWER SOURCE IS FOR GOOD AND THE LEFT HAND POWER SOURCE IS FOR EVIL. THIS IS HOW HE MAKES THE HUMAN SPIRIT TOO. A GOOD AND A BAD SIDE. A GODLY AND SATANIC SIDE. I IDEALLY GOD WANTS YOU TO OPERATE FROM YOUR GOOD SIDE BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO INVOKE DEMONIC POWERS FROM YOUR SATANIC SIDE THEN YOU CAN TOO. HOWEVER WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU HAVE BECOME JOINED AND MARRIED TO IDOLS. MEANING YOU HAVE DUG YOUR OWN GRAVE AND YOU WILL BE DESTROYED. EVERY POWER SOURCE IS FROM GOD. BOTH EVIL AND GOOD. EVERYBODY CAN, IF YOU ARE SATANIC ENOUGH, INVOKE SATANIC POWERS FROM THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF GOD.

Freksy: The dogma of hellfire and literalism of Jesus parables have done more harm than Good. It has caused many to amputate their hands and many to relapse to agnostism and atheism.
It has made a great number of churchgoers to worship God, not out of their love for Him, but out of fear of torment in an unquenchable fire.......SO SAD!

ijawkid: Jesus being reffered to as an ANGEL does not in anyway degrade him ...........
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if you think Jesus being called an angel degrades Him,how about Jesus being reffered to as the HIGH PRIEST if Yahweh......how about Jesus being reffered to as Yahwehs apostle......how about Jesus being reffered to as Yahwehs servant.....

Right now as we speak Jesus is a servant of YAHWEH..........

""Servant"" is a title we all bear(including) Jesus except Yahweh who is over all......

As far as the scriptures is concerned Jesus remains a messenger of Yahweh......and nothing SPOIL,,,,,,,

ijawkid: Please my brothers and sisters,can we say these translations are wrong for calling Jesus the angel of the covenant A.K.A ""messenger of the covenant""??....


This is malachi 3:1 from these 2 translations I'll quote...



##Douay-Rheims Bible
Behold I send my angel, and he shall prepare
the way before my face. And presently the
Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the
testament, whom you desire, shall come to his
temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of
hosts.
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##....Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall
prepare the way before me; and the Lord
whom ye seek will suddenly come to his
temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom
ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah
of hosts.
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Now this is what barrister and truthislight have been trying to butress.......

Jesus as we know came from heaven.......we all know what heavenly messengers are called irrespective of there ranks........the greek and hebrew words used in that malachi both for JOHN and JESUS are the same words we render as ANGEL...........and those words are AG'GE-LOS and MAL-'A-KH' respectively....the Douay-Rheims Bible even refers to JOHN as angel talk less of Jesus who came down from the heavens.....

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Which ever way we wanna look at it,Jesus was called an angel or a messenger in that verse.............all heavenly messengers of GOD(YAHWEH) can be rightly called angels......and Jesus isn't exempted.....Jesus is Gods(Yahwehs) Chief messenger.........

The only person who should be having problem with this is frosbel who does not believe Jesus pre-existed as a spirit being before his descending to the earth.......for all those who believe Jesus was a spirit in heaven before coming to the earth you should all go back and study hard.....this is not about JW or what not..........



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Now I will ask these questions one more time......


1....What are heavenly messengers of GOD called??

2....was Jesus ever a messenger of GOD??YES or NO

tpia1: Adeboye is not your mate, dear.

if YOU want to die because you dont like God blessing him, then who can stop you?

tpia1: Adeboye is not your mate, dear.

if YOU want to die because you dont like God blessing him, then who can stop you?

Logicboy03: Amen!

Logicboy03: lol.....you have nothing to say!

Bidam: YOU TEND TO BE INSULTING AND ANNOYING A TIMES..IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I SAID WHY REPLY? AND POINT OF CORRECTION MY OPINIONS ARE NOT VAIN AM NOT WHINING SIR, I THINK YOU SHOULD READ MY POST AGAIN BEFORE GIVING AN OBNOXIOUS REMARK. GOD BLESS YOU SIR.

chukwudi44: Malachi 3:1-2

New International Version (NIV)

3 “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty

Where in that passage is Jesus reffered to as an angel? The messenger mentioned here is obvisiously John the baptist.The word angel is not even mentioned at all

JeSoul: I don't necessarily 'disagree' with you - you have to define what you mean by 'truth' first

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centje: Answer to your questions is simple...
Hell is not a place it's a state.
For now we are in the lower state of our existence.

A transition to the upper state can be perceived as hell or heaven.

Its jst like water exist in different states,when it gains higher energy it changes to invisible gas.

tip999: So Christ is not God?

goshap: do u av a bible.lemma gt back 2 u.

goshap: do u av a bible.lemma gt back 2 u.

plappville: Then qoute wrong those scriptures, tell us who Paul was referring to,.....Even the SDA and the JW believe the bolded too.
I was listening to a sermon on one SDA pastor i think His name

"Doug Batchelor" This man did not even say Jesus is an Angel. I do not know of the JW, but the few times they have approached me, they did not preach Angel Jesus to me, but Christ as the Son of God who will come back to rule on earth.

frosbel: Sir, I am too busy these days, so might not be able to answer you point for point.

There is no way we can agree on this one.

It is almost blasphemy to suggest that Jesus Christ was angel Michael, he was not.

You are basing your understanding not on the bible but the teachings of the JW or SDA.

Jesus is simply the Son of GOD , a MAN who gave his life for you and me. He is now exalted above all power and principality and this includes Michael.

Try and read the bible without the bias of organisational interpretation, you just might learn a thing or two.

Zikkyy: There may be something in his post. The reason i agreed that people (levi priests) received tithe after the law. You know the temple was still active after crucifixion up till 70AD (i think).