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Mintayo: I dnt know why this issue is been raised again!
Let me tell u that a prosperous church is a tithe giving church,not only that,also a giving church!
A church whose pastor does not pay tithe or help d needy will b a poverty-stricken church!
Many churches u see today that are prosperous are overseen by a tithe-given and a charity given pastor(i dnt want 2 mention names)!
And pls what a pastor or a church does with d offering/tithe is no one busness,pls who are we to jugde-let God b the judge not u,tithing is a choice,so dnt mislead any1 into what u dnt knw-dnt 4get dt we need the Spirit of God to understand what is in the Bible!
So dnt tithe and c d doors of heaven closed on ur life!

The bible is clear abt the importance of tithing,Mal 3:8-9!
TITHE IS NOT A DEBT WE OWE(to God),BUT A SEED WE SOW!
What you sow ,you reap!
WHY SHOULD WE TITHE-
1. bcus God command it: refusal is rebellion!
2. Bcus u live unda d financial curse of God if u dnt!
3. Bcus God will giv u an increase of income wen u do!
4. Bcus God say He will rebuke d devorer(satan) 4 ur sake wen u do!
Tithing is a way of opening God's financial door upon our lives, pls dnt let d devil decieve u!

INADDITION,HAVE U EVER WONDERED WHERE OVERSEER GETS D MONEY THEY USED IN PAYING THEIR PASTORS SALARY? For the OPEN-MINED,pls read 1 Cor 9,pls!

vs 13-Dnt u realised that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple.........? 14. In the same way the lord ordered that those who preached the Good News should be supported by THOSE WHO BENEFIT FROM IT!(1 Cor 9:13-14).

He that has an ear,let him HEAR AND understand what the Spirit is saying!

I pray the Lord will give us understanding!

Baraac: You guys that just open your useless mouth and talk against men of God and most especially the most respected PASTOR ADEBOYE WORLD WIDE.
This is just a simple confirmation that you guys are so dumb.

hunkydory: I dont know why people love to make mountains out of mole hills.There is absolutely nothing wrong in what the man of God has said.Its simply a call to support the work of God.He is not forcing anybody to pay any money.He said IF you want to partner,these are the categories of money you can choose to pay.You can pay as low as N100 per month or as high as N2,000,000 per month.Let it be know to everyone here that there is no amount of money too much to give to God.He is the owner of life,the author and finisher of our faith,the Alfa and Omega.When you give to God,dont think about what the pastor will do with the money.Its between you and God and not the pastor.

digospel2: I pity those judging men of God and doubting His prophet. If you are not participating, hold your money and remain wretched. But for me and my household, we will serve the LORD with our money, time, strength, sacrifice and lay down everything at His feet. My future and propect is sealed in the LORD. I have no doubt of false men of God everywhere in the world but for Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye;hold your tongue or expect the consuming fire soon.

digospel2: I have no doubt of false men of God everywhere in the world but for Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye;hold your tongue or expect the consuming fire soon.

plaetton: Who was the queen of heaven and from which self-existent reality did she emerge from to compete with our omnipotent yahweh?

plaetton: Who was the queen of heaven and from which self-existent reality did she emerge from to compete with our omnipotent yahweh?

plaetton: Joshua 24:2 ".....even Terah, the father of Abraham, served other gods.

Jeremiah 7:18 "The children gather wood, the father kindles the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to The Queen Of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods."

Jeremiah 7:23 " But this thing commandeth I them, Obey my voice, and I will be your god and ye my shall be my people:
This is straight from the mouth of yahweh. Note that he did not say "I am your god" nor did he say "I am god".
He simply said " I will be your god, and ye shall be my people"

This clearly and unambigiously confirms what is written in Dt:32:9: For the Lord's portion(Yahweh's share?) is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

Jeremiah 44:25 " .......Ye and your wives have both spoken and fulfilled with your hand, saying, we will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the [b]Queen Of Heaven[/b].

It seemed that the Isrealites were bent on worshipping the queen of heaven despite all the threats from yahweh.
Poor old Yahweh, sulking.
Just Imagine designing and painstakingly fashioning the universe in six days, put humans on it, and then sit and watch your allegiance and authority being usurped by some newbie called the Queen of Heaven.
Poor yahweh.

Who was the queen of heaven and from which self-existent reality did she emerge from to compete with our omnipotent yahweh?

seriallink: Thanks bros

seriallink: ^^^^I think the OP wants to know how God will judge those who never had the opportunity to hear anything about the gospel before they died. Just like the verse below says;

And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached to the whole world as testimony to all Nations and then the end will come :- Matthew 24:14

Because, if they are condemned for not worshiping Yahweh, they might stand on the fact that the gospel wasn't preach to them before they died! And since they never had the opportunity to hear anything about the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven, there would be no testimony against them! So, how would their own judgement be I think that was the OP's question! Any contribution? Because this has been bugging me in a while too.

thehomer: By the way, what does "Eje-cu-la-ting" mean?

thehomer: Well the scriptures are wrong according to what modern science shows us. I interpret this science using reason and evidence.



What molecule to man is this that you keep on referring to? What did the Bible say about North and South America, Antarctica and Australia? What you need to realize is that the ignorant people who wrote the Bible were wrong. Science shows that what you're saying is wrong.

thehomer: What did the Bible say about North and South America, Antarctica and Australia?

Logicboy03: You have a brain, I assume?


Imagine if I brought the confession of some terrorists and said that islam is positively related to terrorism? Isnt that the same thing you are doing? Would that even be allowed in the Islam section?

When they ban you, you would be complaining. You cant even make a logical defense for your point.


MMC allowed you the first time to prove your points logically even though you were failing and trolling. Now you are doing the same.


If you cant prove your abusive claims, it becomes slander. Repeating that slander after being proven wrong many times and calling atheists gays is not going to go down well with any reasonable person. Your Master, Maclatunji would give a pernmanent ban for less.

vedaxcool: According to this study by Barna, the top reasons why young people are leaving Christianity is because they see Christians as being too political, too homophobic, and too judgmental, not because of the New Atheists: http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/16-teensnext-gen/94-a-new-generation-expresses-its-skepticism-and-frustration-with-christianity

http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43014.msg9268592.html#msg9268592


And in my case it was easier for me to come out as an atheist to my sister than it was for me to come out as gay. This wasn't because I thought my sister might hate me for it but for me talking about my sexuality with family members was more awkward than talking about my lack of faith. But my sister was accepting of both of them and she's a liberal Christian. I did have one bisexual friend of mine who's a conservative Christian Republican who thought I was going to hell for being an atheist and while we still disagree on this issue, we're still good friends and we can debate this issue in a calm rational manner now more than when I first came out. But the vast majority of my friends I've come out to as both gay and atheist have been ok with it. Though I'm still in the closet for both to my parents and my fundamentalist friends I grew up with.

http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43014.msg9268956.html#msg9268956

somehow it seems being gay is positively correlated with being an atheist?

ecoleco: Please some one with good knowledge of Escatology should respond to this question:

How will God judge those that died without ever hearing of Jesus Christ. For instance those that lived before the time of Christ and those that live in the remotest places of the earth where real missionary work has been done.

Thank you.

bermuda1: what the OP meant to write is Eternal Fraternal order of the Legion konsortium. Its just big english that mean Klansmen konfraternity or KK. It is the confraternity of choice of the South South peoples (excl Edo and Delta)

plappville: You dey read minds?

mkmyers45: there is absolutely nothing wrong with bieng a professional gambler...if you take a fat tithe tommorow to church he wont care anymore..infact he will bless you

mkmyers45: there is absolutely nothing wrong with bieng a professional gambler...if you take a fat tithe tommorow to church he wont care anymore..infact he will bless you

Kay 17: The only proof for the divine origin of the Bible is an individual revelation from God to you.

Kay 17: The only proof for the divine origin of the Bible is an individual revelation from God to you.

Logicboy03: 1. Sexually Immoral- Martin Luther King (adulterer). Benny Hinn (fornicator). Eddie Long (Homosexual molestation)

2. Greedy- Oyedepo AKA tithe-me-2-jets, Pastor Chris Aka-pay-for-my-relaxed-hair.

3. Idolater- Pastor chris worshippers (members of christ embassy) Pastor Chris (worships himself and vanity, relaxes his hair must wear expesnive suits)

4. Slanderer- Oyedepo- "I shall slap any witch again"

5. Drunkard- Some catholic priests

6. Swindler- Sign Fireman, T.B. Joshua aka fake prophecy

Logicboy03: You have been classified as a dangerous bigot. Replying you s a waste of time.


Your religious leaders have done nothing but suck tithe money out of hardworking Nigerians while Bill Gates who is an atheist has poured money in combating and finding a vaccine for malaria.

Joagbaje: It's a sin to judge others intention wrongfully. If you claim those who Belive in tithe are wrong Based on your own belief no problem. We all have right to what we Belive . but if you claim those who teach on tithing are fraudulent. You are sinning. Because no man will use the name of God for fraud. Every one work according to their conviction. Every man has right to his conviction . A man who serve christ with wrong motive should be left for judgement day . Tithes or church money doesnt belong to the pastor. A pastor is not a tithe collector . The same way bank money doesn't belong to the bank manager. When you miss the basic foundation here all your conclusion will be wrong too. People give tithes based on their understanding and they should not be persecuted for their belief .

ogoamaka99: @FROSBEL,
MY DEAR FROSBEL, YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT LACK OF SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE HAD MADE YOU TO BE CONFUSED AND SUCH IS CONFUSING OTHERS. FOR GOD'S SAKE WHY CAN'T YOU LEARN TO DEFFERENIATE BETWEEN WHAT IS TITHE AND WHAT IS FREEWILL OFFERING?. THE TWO VERSES QUOTED ABOVE HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH TITHE AS THE VERSES ARE TALKING ABOUT FREEWILL OFFERING.

ijawkid: Zikky my man....how far na??

Just hold get together I go come....:-)

Zikkyy: Madam plappville, you still dey fight for here. Anyways am seriously considering an Xmas bash this December (if am in town), you will be special guest (wheher you like it or not ). I will be inviting truthislight as well, just to show that people don't lose their heads at such parties. That appears to be his concern. Everybody attending will be leaving with their head intact

thehomer: I'm showing it to you. Why don't you participate in the discussion?



You were talking about supernatural events weren't you? Your attempts at labeling me fail because you don't even understand what you're supposed to do.



Did I ask you for a revelation or are you simply posting your usual irrelevant garbage?



Actually, you do if you want to have a serious conversation.



You've committed so many fallacies that simply listing them is pointless. But why do you find it difficult to carry on a straight forward discussion? If I simply kept on claiming that you're lying and dishonest, will that help the conversation? Please stop with irrelevant examples and stories and respond appropriately.

thehomer: One doesn't have to be present at every event to deduce what happened. If you think they do, then I think you're more poorly informed than young children.

thehomer: One doesn't have to be present at every event to deduce what happened. If you think they do, then I think you're more poorly informed than young children.

thehomer: @Oladegbu

How do you know what the original organisms were or how many they were? They're all dead. How do you know that it wasn't maybe only three organisms that were created that diversified into what is currently available? What was the last kind created by God and when did he do this?

thehomer: I need you to answer the question. I need you to commit to a point of view so that when you're shown the contradiction, you won't start hemming and hawwing. My point is to prevent you from being dishonest with your responses later in this discussion.

cyrexx: For those who are unbiased and who really want to know how the concept of hell was incorporated into christianity from other religions and evolved over the history of christianity, check out this site

cyrexx: I guess as much, no problem. Thanxx for ur response



let me assume that Yahweh exists as the creator, aight?, Now, you said He did not create man with sinful nature, so who did? And who also designed the consequences of sin? Is there another creator who created something Yahweh does not intend?




Good to know. Personally, at the end of my fulfilled and long life, i would prefer total annihilation or even hell (if there is anywhere like that) than to be in heaven and pretend to love and worship a bully deity who tortures my non-christian friends and family alive forever somewhere else




many people will agree with me that fear of hell is what drives christianity. Its not just how i see things, its the way things are with christianity. And no, im no lawbreaker, im a law abiding Nigerian citizen.



i keep the laws because im a good citizen, not because im fearful.
But wait, there is a unified clearly understandable Nigerian law from a central government with a clear and unconfusing interpretation, no contradictions and ambiguities.
But can we say the same about the laws of the Creator of the universe (or several self-proclaimed Creators of the universe)?




My o my, you want to tell me sin deserves punishement and you want to avoid discussing the nature of that punishment? Hmmm. Are we missing something?

Moreso, these sins include some non-criminal acts that hurts nobody such as unbelief, working on sabbath, doubts, belonging to a non-christian religion etc.. Are you telling me these sins deserve divine punishment and you are unwilling to discuss the nature of that punishment?