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Christianity Etc › Re: If God Is Truly A God Of Justice, Then Hell Fire Is A Very False Teaching. by truthislight: 3:07pm On Oct 14, 2012

[quote author=Mr_Anony]My friend, you have the habit of translation jumping and special interpretations wherever it suits you. Unfortunately, I don't roll like that. It'll leave us running around like headless chickens with no bearing.
I am willing to discuss with you in depth but not until we have defined the specific basis and limits of our discussion. I am tired of aimless arguments . . . .and I have had many.[/quote]you did not answer his questions.

Hell and death will be thrown into the same fire, how will the two abstract entity burn in your literal fire?

Answer that question and you said the above without addresing Ijawkid question above.

Christianity Etc › Re: If God Is Truly A God Of Justice, Then Hell Fire Is A Very False Teaching. by truthislight: 2:56pm On Oct 14, 2012

[quote author=Mr_Anony]The emotional argument of whether I can torture a living being is also irrelevant here. What is relevant here is whether sin deserves punishment or not.[/quote]you refuse to address this questions because you mr Anony are more intelligent than God and infact better then than him that you have imputed eternal torment to.
you said he said he will torment people for ever and ever, for eternity. huh

Will he not get tierd of seeing that shi.t?

Leave that wicked pegan satanic teaching alone. God is love.

Try and call him wicked again, maybe it makes you happy.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If God Is Truly A God Of Justice, Then Hell Fire Is A Very False Teaching. by truthislight: 2:44pm On Oct 14, 2012

[quote author=Mr_Anony]But the bible makes it clear that the devil will be tormented forever in the lake of fire.

Adam, sodom&gomorrah noah's neighbours e.t.c were people punished for their sin by having their physical life cut short. They are wrong comparisms for an eternal torment that has been promised in the time to come (I'll touch on this a bit later)

Aha! the infamous translation battle. Before we continue down this line, I will ask you to select which translation you want to use for this discourse so we don't jump across translations and twist scripture. You can select two and we'll stick to them alone. So tell me and we shall kick off.[/quote]it is not the translation that is the issue there, you just use translation to water down what he has said that was so beautiful.

You first tell us where will the hell fire be or where will it take place.

If you dont mention where it will take place it means your teaching is not bible based.

Afteral the islam, hindu and many other religion also rationalise the same thing and they did not make use of the bible.

So, if you say your own hell fire is a bible teaching please show us where the bible say it will take place. The venue.

Please do, am waiting.

Christianity Etc › Re: If God Is Truly A God Of Justice, Then Hell Fire Is A Very False Teaching. by truthislight: 2:33pm On Oct 14, 2012

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Interestingly, it is not weird to you that people can enjoy infinite paradise for all eternity for finite good deeds of which God had to forgive a lot of sins for that to happen.

Also, why would God resurrect the sinner only to kill him off again?

Here is the picture you are painting: A man commits all the sins he likes, r[color=#000000]ape[/color]s, tortures and kills but dies in a fire. On the last day, God resurrects him and essentially says: "You were such a bad boy now go back to sleep"

- You are mocking God's justice, you are trivializing it so that it fits into your picture of what you think love is.[/quote]No, you are the one misrepresenting God here.

He God said that the wages of sin is death, a state of none existanc Ecclesiates 9:5,6,10

you said that dead is everlasting life with torment.

The bible said lake of fire = second dead for the resurected, revelation 20:14

but you said that lake of fire = everlasting torment.

God said that the thought of burning people in fire has NEVER cross his mind Jeremiah 7:31

you said that it is the plan that God has.

You misrepresent God guy !!!

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Christianity Etc › Re: If God Is Truly A God Of Justice, Then Hell Fire Is A Very False Teaching. by truthislight: 2:22pm On Oct 14, 2012

cyrexx: But Mr Anony, lets imagine the Bible says nothing about hell.

You, can you torture a living being, if you had the power, for a million billion trillion years for the crimes he commits in a brief lifetime?

Secondly, lets assume you are God and you already knew that this soul will commit some sins and end up in hell, you still went ahead anyway to create him with a default nature to commit sin only to torture him forever in a second life when you could have simply end his first life by total annihilation. Do you think you receive a genuine admiration or forced worship from your creatures this way.

beautiful.

He Anony is misrepresenting God and there by turning people away from God.

Wrong knowledge is disastrous.

Christianity Etc › Re: If God Is Truly A God Of Justice, Then Hell Fire Is A Very False Teaching. by truthislight: 2:19pm On Oct 14, 2012

[quote author=Mr_Anony]My dear Maximus, for this statement to be true, you have to show the scripture explicitly saying that Adam did not go to hell.

This is called special pleading. If the bible makes it clear that all sinners will go to hell, then I don't see why Adam's case would be special seeing that he also sinned.[/quote]your problem Is that you dont know what hell is.

Jesus went to hell. No?

Christianity Etc › Re: All Atheists Are Evil According To Image123! Christians, Defend Your Bros! by truthislight: 2:08pm On Oct 14, 2012

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Good. Your definition is now clear. The necessity that counts is that of the owner of the suit case. Good and evil here will be measured by how much the two men have offended the owner. Mind you, the two people have not seen touched or experienced the suitcase owner but they have deduced that he must exist because his suitcase exists and therefore they go ahead and do right by the yet unseen owner.

In the same way, we are observers of creation. Because we see creation, we deduce that there must be a creator and because He owns everything, it is His necessity that counts and so we do right by Him. That is what it means to be good.

The man that is evil is the man that says that the suitcase cannot possibly have an owner and as a result he can do whatever he likes with the suitcase and it's contents

That is the message Image123 was trying to pass across. It appears that once again, you have agreed with me. Sorry for reading you wrong, i thought you were an atheist. My mistake[/quote]hahaha, lol.

Logicboy, Anony is using your 2cent.
Lol

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Christians Ask Silly Questions While Claiming To Be "BELIEVERS"? by truthislight: 1:53pm On Oct 14, 2012

Just passing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by truthislight: 1:49pm On Oct 14, 2012

ogoamaka99: @FROSBEL,
OH! FROSBEL, IT SEEMS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS TITHE AND WHAT IS FREEWILL OFFERING. THE TWO VERSES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TITHE BUT A FREEWILL OFFERING.YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF SPIRITUAL MATTERS OF THE BIBLE IS WHAT IS CAUSING YOU TO BE CONFUSING YOURSELF AND OTHERS.

your greed has blinded you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Could Atheism Be Considered The Gay Religion? by truthislight: 1:44pm On Oct 14, 2012

Stalwert: I don't understand am I being persecuted? I cannot post in the religion section and all this because I wonder why atheism could be the religion of gays? Check here www.nairaland.com/1072447/could-atheism-considered-gay-religion

Ok I just found out

Banned by manmustwac in Religion for being to
insultive. I don't like the comment comment about
licking mod assss .Ban expires on
10:09am On Oct 15

But where is freedom of speech? Na wa make unah helep me shout!

Vedaxcool is asking what is wrong in using licking asssss, when we know it is clearly like saying kissing one's asssss in essence behaving sheepishly in order to win some favor.

Pls ask manmuswac why being do pained have made him banned vedaxcool unfairly?

my sympathy though.

It will soon be over, 15th you said.

Though i feel that the mod deserved some respect.

But, you ant doing badly with your current id.

Try and stick around for the thread, you are the op.

I feel that the atheist should tuned down the emotion and do justice to the thread.
Peace.

Christianity Etc › Re: Could Atheism Be Considered The Gay Religion? by truthislight: 1:37pm On Oct 14, 2012

Kay 17: First of all, whether its debauchery or not depends on the society they are in. Society sets the rules, and some don't frown at it.

Second, yes, some homosexuals become atheists maybe because their religion (esp. Christianity) fails to exhibit and propagate Love. And subsequently the religion shatters b4 them. While some accept liberal denomonations of Christianity.

And some still stick to conservative christianity and battle with themselves.

self control is a virtue.

See how easy it get for you to state your idears?

It does not take anything away from you and ended up projecting your reasonability for the simple reason that your mind is not beclouded by emotions and sentiments.

However on this:

Kay 17: First of all, whether its debauchery or not depends on the society they are in. Society sets the rules, and some don't frown at it.

nature paints a different picture.

That all society of man agree that stealing is bad does not prevent all societies from having thieves.

When all member of a "particular" society then say that stealing is not bad, does that mean that stealing is then right?

Even though it is allowed (gay) nature still shows that man and animal are made in 2's, male and female. With "sexual organs to match perfectly" through which a vital purpose is served, = procreation.

a deviation is a deviation, no need to justify it, just let it to remain what it is, "a deviation"

Christianity Etc › Re: Could Atheism Be Considered The Gay Religion? by truthislight: 1:12pm On Oct 14, 2012

Kay 17: Some atheists are against homosexuality, while some support it. Neither is there a central creed in atheism to accept homosexuality or be one.

And taking atheism as a religion is deceptive

i can say it is beautifully stated by you.

But, was a rationale of this sort too much of the highest order that the other atheist on this thread found it difficult to present?

The heart(mind) can be treacherouse you know?

Rather, the resort of some is to attack the other person. Weakness i say.

But you show strong will power to be able to suppress your emotion and be rational.

10/10 to you kay17

Christianity Etc › Re: Could Atheism Be Considered The Gay Religion? by truthislight: 1:01pm On Oct 14, 2012

wiegraf: ^^
What is not mutually exclusive? We speak completely different languages. You don't do your thinking in english, abi? Seems some translation problems occur, similar to discussing with say potelemos. I'm guessing that's why I don't get you

i still dont get you or shear your sentiments i mean!

Hmmm!

What i wrote is very much understandable for those that want to.

"if you cant forward your reasons for saying that animals are also homosexuals like mankind and show proof of It to be so, the rational option left to me is to remain with what i have learn from nature that nature made living things male and female"(animal and man)

so, from nature one can learn what is normal and what is Misnomer.

If this is not clear to you, then it may be a "mind set" thing.

Bring forward your extraction from the wiki site you ref. Let us see, and leave attacking my person.

As for ptolomeus, i just wander huh

wiegraf: similar to discussing with say potelemos.

may your majesty forgive him. *sigh*

Peace

Christianity Etc › Re: Christ The Creationist by truthislight: 10:57am On Oct 14, 2012*

thehomer: I'm on topic. You were talking about honesty and the rejection of the supernatural. That is where prayer comes into it. Prayer according to you requires some supernatural intervention.

It looks as if you really wish to be dishonest. How is the Biblical account more reliable? You need to actually show this to be the case.

i stated my view you stated yours.

I said i dont buy billion billion years that it is clearly blind but that of the bible is inspired by a God that you dont belief in, for whatever reason that only you knows.

You said that the bible is contradictory, i said show me?

I said that the bible account of creation is inspired you went talking about prayers, why?

What has prayers got to do with what we are talking except to derail the thread and cover up your ..............

Your dishonesty is very clearly seen in your effort, by asking me to help you to proof your own claim of contradiction a above.

[quote author=]"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit prophecy" (2 Peter 1:21).[/quote]this is what i refered to as revelation, ok?

thehomer: It looks as if you really wish to be dishonest. How is the Biblical account more reliable? You need to actually show this to be the case.

I dont owe you any proof.

Your brain is four your Guide and mind is for my guide.

I cant know if you are a honest person or not, so proofing to you may not be necessary to people that are dishonest, so as such your brain should serve you well.

My effort can only served as a witnessed.

If your brain takes you in front of a moving train and you are crush, it is what you get for how you had trained your brain.

Peace

Christianity Etc › Re: Christ The Creationist by truthislight: 10:47am On Oct 14, 2012

thehomer: Here's one sticking with the creation theme. Please answer these questions. Which did God create first, animals or humans? Did God create Adam first or did he create both Adam and Eve together?

Based on your answer, I'll show you the contradiction.

do you honestly need me to arrived at a stance (contradiction) you already have?
^^^ dishonesty and deceit.
I hate dishonesty and dislike dishonest people.

Please, bring the "contradictions" or stick to your voodoo billion billion years science.

A man that did not live up to 100years giving you details of what happened billions of years ago and you called that "science"

that deception is for your kind that dont seems to love straight forward honesty and as such you get what you rightfully deserved.

"Like minds"

Christianity Etc › Re: Could Atheism Be Considered The Gay Religion? by truthislight: 8:47pm On Oct 13, 2012

wiegraf: No offence, this makes absolutely no sense.

not mutually exclusive.

Christianity Etc › Re: What If Jesus Didn’t Fully Die? by truthislight: 8:16pm On Oct 13, 2012

tintingz: ^^^ remeber God said in OT bible "no one can sacrifice himself for another" moreover Jesus said about a sign which will be "THE SIGN OF JONAH" you know the story of Jonah. . .can you explain what Jesus meant by this sign?

sign of Jonah is death and resurrection of christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Either You Unite With The Church Doctrine Or You Are Against The Bible...... by truthislight: 7:53pm On Oct 13, 2012

ijawkid: How can you help a cocaine addict by sniffing cocaine along with the addict who needs rehab??

^^^
this got me laughing in twenty four languages plus chinese.

Its true bro.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Either You Unite With The Church Doctrine Or You Are Against The Bible...... by truthislight: 7:43pm On Oct 13, 2012*

oiseworld: *when the US landed in the moon, the put their flag as a sign of.
*When shrines in local villages a destroyed, right on the spot of the shrine a church is planted. As a sign of a new begining.
*Why should d sun god be speared. And him and his days we sieze for our God.

how can such action be pleasing to the almighty?

If those rituals are what he loved why did he not request for it in his form or worship befor now?

God hated demonic worship and hated the practices therein.

He knows the origine of such worship/ritual, why now give it to him and expect him to be happy?

He did asked the nation of israel to be different from the nations all around them and that they should "touch nothing unclean" from them.

The romans and their soldiers that occupied Jeruselam were viewed as "something unclean" to the temple of God in Jeruselam how then do you transfer their worship to Yahweh and his son and expect him to be happy?

That you dont know the origine/ritual then cause you were not there, was Yahweh not alive then and knows there origine, that it is satan's?

We are ask not to observed days and seasons also, dont forget.

Hmmm!, i fear for you people.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christ The Creationist by truthislight: 6:38pm On Oct 13, 2012

thehomer: What do you mean?

How is it narrow minded? When you take a drug rather than pray for healing, isn't that a reliance on the natural? If you believe so strongly in your supernatural God, why don't you resort only to prayer for all you need? And why does prayer fail so much?

mixing up issues, stay on the topic, "Creation"

and it was the GENESIS account i was refering to when i did say vision/revelation as oppose to evolution, so i dont know were prayer came from into this thread.

That the bible account is more reliable than the billion opon billion of years that is the other option.

Honesty is a scarce resources to certain kind of people as i have come to realise.

Christianity Etc › Re: Christ The Creationist by truthislight: 6:29pm On Oct 13, 2012

thehomer: Those words aren't infallible the cases in point would be the inconsistencies it contains.

hahaha.
Interesting.

Now, am interested ^^^ in that part of your statement.

For the sake of your reputation, i wish that you please educate me on the so call "incosistencies" you have exterblished contain in the bible.

Please do.

Am waiting.

Christianity Etc › Re: Christ The Creationist by truthislight: 5:21pm On Oct 13, 2012

thehomer: So what is the intent of the questions?

It isn't about ease of belief but about what the evidence matches. The fact that there are stories written in the Bible doesn't mean that they're true. You may be gullible enough to believe whatever you read in the Bible but I need something better than that and that is corroborating evidence.

for how long have you been corroborating this evidence and what have you came up with other than a take on a "long faith"? (billion opon ballon of years)

this ^^^ stories are worst than the stories of visions/Revelations that you will not give credence to.

It all boiled down to honesty of heart.

The simple rejection of the super natural seems narrow minded to me, though you atheist have your reasons for being atheist other than what you will want us to belief.

Christianity Etc › Re: All Atheists Are Evil According To Image123! Christians, Defend Your Bros! by truthislight: 2:18pm On Oct 13, 2012

Image123: where have i been? I'm just seeing this thread. i didn't mean to break your evil heart. There is none good, no, not one!

if this is your stand why then did someone called for your "head"?

Christianity Etc › Re: Could Atheism Be Considered The Gay Religion? by truthislight: 2:04pm On Oct 13, 2012

onetrack: As an atheist, it makes sense to me that gays and lesbians who grew up in a Muslim or Christian household should want to leave their religion. I don't necessarily think that atheism is a necessary consequence, perhaps agnosticism, apatheism, or Daoism might also work for them.

As far as saying that most atheist are gays, that is just plain foolishness. There are plenty of reasons to reject religion.

that last part is a function of anger.

If i was hooked to homosexuality and found out that based on my most fevourit "pastime"(gay) am being judged and sentence already befor the end itself and as long as i am concern there is no going back on my choice of "pastime", then it will make a lot of sense to hate/reject such a God.

This is partly the reason why atheism is an attractive option for gay persons.

As such the conclussion that most atheist are gay is very well justified.

Come to look at it, do you feel it is a bad thing being gay? Why the beef?

However, It will not be out of place for someone to show to us why most atheist cant be gay.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Could Atheism Be Considered The Gay Religion? by truthislight: 2:01pm On Oct 13, 2012

Christianity Etc › Re: Either You Unite With The Church Doctrine Or You Are Against The Bible...... by truthislight: 12:41pm On Oct 13, 2012

oiseworld: and soo what ??
We are the decision makers for ourselves through the holyspirit.
What so ever we decree on earth is decreed in heaven, what we loose on earth is loosed in heaven. This is power given to us by our father and God.

And we choose to celebrate the birth of the giver of that right on the 25th of dec. We can still adopt more days for more christian celebrations, be it oduduwa day or sango day.
Na my papa make/get the day.

Ces fini.

he is an MOG, that ^^^ is what they feed the sheeple.

Workers of lawlessness.

Good for you and them.

Christianity Etc › Re: Famous Quotes From The Great Noetic & Davidylan (phd.) by truthislight: 12:34pm On Oct 13, 2012

lagerwhenindoubt: Stick to Jesus and the Bible.. It will save you from your present pitiable state

Christianity Etc › Re: Christ The Creationist by truthislight: 10:57am On Oct 13, 2012

thehomer: How do you know what the original organisms were or how many they were? They're all dead. How do you know that it wasn't maybe only three organisms that were created that diversified into what is currently available? What was the last kind created by God and when did he do this?

If you accept natural selection, what do you think are the time scales necessary to separate the original ancestor of e.g lions, tigers, domesticated cats and cheetahs?

the intent of certain questions are obvious.

While some people give out knowledge others dont even try, but rather attempt to ruffle and stifle others that did.

If one that believe in billion billion years of evolution and say it is the fact and come here to ask someone how did he know it was in kind as though Ola was there and not what the bible said shows how deceitful minds works.

Which is easier to belief in?

The bible that states according to their kind and we can still see living things according to their kind or evolution that says we are evolving and we are not seeing animal mutating or changing from their kind to another?

Honesty at heart seems to be a scarce comodity for certain people.

Christianity Etc › Re: Either You Unite With The Church Doctrine Or You Are Against The Bible...... by truthislight: 10:41am On Oct 13, 2012

oiseworld: useless jehovah withness people !!

If you don't want to celebrate christmas good for you, miserable set of people. Soo when ever you hear christmas its the sun god dat comes to ur mind? Let it be to u as u want it. People who lack the spirit of God, the teacher of all things.
No different from the pagans themselves.

We have the liberty as christians to choose,convert,use any day for the celebration of our God. Its part of our right as christians to choose freely, so don't go muddling tins up with your lack of biblical cohorence and understanding.

not following the law of christ and the examples thereof is lawlessness.

Christianity Etc › Re: Either You Unite With The Church Doctrine Or You Are Against The Bible...... by truthislight: 10:37am On Oct 13, 2012

italo: Are you kidding me?! Jacobs marriages should serve as a blueprint for Christian marriages?! The man married FOUR women. He married TWO SISTERS and their SERVANTS. Perhaps you should ask plappville if she would accept her husband marrying her sister and their maids. Though I'm pretty sure her husband won't want that. If they're as dumb as her, they'll kill him with stupidity. Jacob's marriage looks more like a muslim marriage to me. Moreover, Jacob wasn't a Christian, never married in a church and he never asked for his own parents consent. Or did he?

Jesus attended a wedding, but it wasn't in a Church.

So you are still yet to show me from the Bible where:

A christian funeral ceremony was held.

A christian asked for his parents' consent to marry.

Jesus said we needed to get a divorce certificate.

A marriage was held in a church.

If you cannot find these in the Bible, then you are a PAGAN!

west of time!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Could Atheism Be Considered The Gay Religion? by truthislight: 10:29am On Oct 13, 2012

wiegraf: There's wiki articles even, you can view their sources or just google for homosexuality in animal life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

thank you though.

But i think it will have served for a better discussion if you had reproduce an extraction from the site to proof your point.

It is your call.

If you dont proved it otherwise, am still compel to deduce from nature that nature made them male and female and it shows what nature points to as normal helping us to know what is a Misnomer?
Peace

Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Any Converted Atheists On Nairaland? by truthislight: 10:09am On Oct 13, 2012

muskeeto2: Weekend... lol..

you have been falling your hands with your recent post.

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