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Logicboy03: How ridiculous.


I advanced an argument that homosexuality is a form of love.


You are the one to rebutt it if you have any valid point.


You have none, I presume?

those are just your "insane" statement.

"Normal" people know that man and animal are in male and female.

Anything out of that is a "freak" and the usual thing is to get it fixed.

Logicboy03: Please, lord person, can you tell me what is wrong with my comment?


Debunk me, your Fucktardness!


Dumbazz

in what exactly do you want someone to bunk you?

You have not made a factual statement.

Kay 17: Religion is not natural, cos we are the only species that practice it.

Is morality defined by Nature?

morality and religion are not things we learn from nature but we get education from nature, that is why we want our human brothers to learn.

Religion and morality are strictly a human thing.

Logicboy03: Gays cant change and therefore, it is innate.

Nobody is talking about the second on that borders on environmental influence/factors.

boss

are you saying that environmental factors cant turned/influence to make people gay?

Logicboy03: What a foolish analogy. There is a difference between Natural and naturally doing something. Eating poo is not natural to human beings but it is still natural. Dogs and pigs eat human poo.


Mental illness is quite natural.Especially if it is caused by defects or disease.


Homosexuality is natural.

It is the same biological reaction

that a straight man would have looking at a naked woman

that a gay man would have looking at a naked man


Erection. Different does not mean unnatural

are you then saying that being gay is a defect since defect is natural?

Logicboy03: What a foolish analogy. There is a difference between Natural and naturally doing something. Eating poo is not natural to human beings but it is still natural. Dogs and pigs eat human poo.


Mental illness is quite natural.Especially if it is caused by defects or disease.


Homosexuality is natural.

It is the same biological reaction

that a straight man would have looking at a naked woman

that a gay man would have looking at a naked man


Erection. Different does not mean unnatural

homosexuality is a habit that is develop due to enviromen, pressure, mental problem, or fad.

Most catholic priest tre gays not so naturally but their environment(celibacy) induce them to do that and it can be change,

that is why they where being sent for therapy.

People change owing to external factors.

Gay person like drug addicts can change with therapy and withrawal, and re-orientation.

It is a mind set thing(addiction) for the unnatural owing to the influences they were exposed to.

Logicboy03: Think before you call someone a person.


I think he was using flying in a biological sense eg birds flying. He was not talking about flying inn aeroplanes.


Humans flying in aeroplanes aint natural.

but there are external factors resposible for that.

Logicboy03: Gay people can have children too. surrogates and adoption.

so, what is natural about this Since the sex organ is not for procreation.

My friend, the purpose of all living things is to reproduce its kind through sex, human go a step further.

Animals, most if not all will not engage in s.exual intercoures until they are in their "heat" period.

Human, women precisely have a higher urge for sex during their ovulation periods.

So, the decision to stick ones dick into the an.us is not what the an.us was meant for.

The an.us was meant for poo.

Have you ever heard the an.us being mention as a sex organ in a formal school system?

gaism is an unnatural appetite that people got hook in, and human, being a free moral agent means i will not interfere with their choices, but the truth be told, it is "unnatural"

Logicboy03: What is the difference between homosexual and homosexual behaviours?

Wouldnt you be a homosexual to engage in homosexual acts?

being gay "inborn" and being influence environmentally to become gay.

The second is not natural, but rather it is being influence to develop an "unnatural" trait.

Can be insanity, pressure, drug, etc.

Sagamite: Homosexual "behaviours" is not a justification of being homosexual.

I am yet to see any proof of homosexual animals.

People put up homosexual behaviours to foool you. Ask them to show you a homosexual animal, not an animal exhibiting homosexual behaviours.

Prisoners exhibiting homosexual behaviours in jail is not proof that homosexuality is natural to them.

that insanity causes a human to eat poo then means that human naturally eat poo?

Thanks man.

onetrack: And it is also reasonable to take the position that flying in airplanes is unnatural, since, in a natural setting, man does not fly.

did flying in airplane come naturally or it is as a result of man input?

Logicboy03: @ Sagamite and Manmustwacc.


It is very wrong to say that homosexuality is unnatural.

Everything that occurs in nature is natural in the first place.


There are animals that engage in homosexual behaviours.


You cant change into a gay just the same way a gay cant chnage into straight.




After making the above statement, I know that a foolish religionist would not have the brains to counter the argument but incorrectly assume or state that I am gay. That is the point of this whole thread.

Vexdafool is a fool.

nope, i cant conclude you are gay for having an opinion on a gay thread.

But making this statment:

Logicboy03: It is very wrong to say that homosexuality is unnatural.

There are animals that engage in homosexual behaviours.


You cant change into a gay just the same way a gay cant chnage into straight.

for the first time in this forum, i must say i have red some thing that makes me cry "insanity"

you will remain and be considered as mere stupidity and brain dead unless you can proof otherwise on this thread that man and animal are not made male and female.

If you can also proof that it was via an an.us that you came out from into this world.

If you cant proof that animal and man have matching sex organ then you then are a disappointment to humanity.

What is the primary purpose of the sex organ if not for procreation?

So why cant it be said that it is a misnomer when the organs are used for axis otherwise?

This organ was design to fit perfectly to each other, can the purpose of procreation be achieved when used otherwise?

That it is an individuals choice is not the debate but such saying that it is "according to nature design

Please do educate me.
Thank you.

DP

DP

Logicboy03: Why are you foolish?


Didnt I counter him with the "terrorist argument"?

its high time you learn manners boy.

onetrack: Nature is oftentimes very subtle in her methods. I cannot necessarily conclude that it goes against the laws of nature....there may be a natural explanation we just have not yet discovered.

very confusing i say

onetrack: Nature is oftentimes very subtle in her methods.

in what sense is nature very "subtle"

is it not a fact that things are made made male and female?

Manmuswac stated a fact that:

manmustwac: Well I don't because it goes against the laws of nature. The key was designed to enter the ignition.

i dont know why you countered it.

Does facts need to be complex?

manmustwac: Well I don't because it goes against the laws of nature. The key was designed to enter the ignition.

beautifuly stated.

rhemaplus: You still missing out something that is vital. In that Gal 3, u will see that the emphasis is not on deeds but on motive. Vs 12: The law is not based on faith; on the contrary ' the man who does this will live by them'. The only people under curse are those who think they can only live by doing (the legalist not those who live by faith). The overall theme of Gal 3 is salvation. How do we receive salvation? Is it by keeping the law or receiving it by Grace cos if u keep the whole law minus one, u are still under curse I.e you can't be saved by it. It is not referring to people who are already saved. No saved person is under any curse. and infact Doing isn't the problem but trying to earn righteousness by doing the works of the Law. No one is justified(declared righteous) before God by the law. You said Abraham wasn't justified by paying tithe; was he condemned by doing so too? Its just like Restitution of Zaccheaus, in as much that we can not make law out of it, but u cannot condemn anyone who chose to restitute out of conviction and faith. Do u seriously believe that God would condemn a man that pays tithe and does it in faith; not because by it, he wants to earn God's favour by just as a worship to him. Do u? What u are doing is taking the truth too far. The only truth I see is that we cannont live(be righteous) by works of the Law, no more, no less. I have heard of a preacher who when he was young believed he had to sell all he has if indeed he must be a disciple(not believer) and he did. Would u condemn him for doing that? When he did it out of faith and conviction? God deals with a man according to the level of knowledge and conscience, u wonder why paul didn't say people should not puncture the conscience of those who believed they must not eat things sacrificed to gods, although, it is not sin if they do but do u know if they ignore their weak consciences and go ahead to eat it, do u know that will be the beginning of the damage of their consciences? Stop imposing your supposed truth on the mind of people. If a man eats and does to the glory of God, let not the man that does not eat castigate him. I may decide to make use of the dietary commandment of God, by so doing, are u implying that by doing it I am sinning or under the curse, when I do it as unto the Lord?. Bro, don't be too hasten to form a doctrine. God does not condemn tithe just as he does not condemn restituition, and so many as far we don't think that by it we will go to heaven. Salvation isn't by work but by grace. What I think you should focus more on is 1. Letting people know that not paying tithe does not bring any malachi curse cos Jesus is already made a curse for us, so they can choose to pay or not 2. How to be led of the Spirit so as to know when he leads you to give and to which course rather than expending ur energy on what I think its not necessary!

how many scriptures did you quote there ^^^ none!

Because you are not saying from the scriptures and as such you are not saying the truth.

Why is the scriptures not your strength?

You twist scriptures :

rhemaplus: It is not referring to people who are already saved. No saved person is under any curse.

what infact are you trying to say here that is biblical?

If they were not saved by the law why are they going back to the burden of the law?

Do you today burn a complete bull to ashes as sin sacrifice?

Can you do it?

If you cant why go back and pick one(tith) if not for your greed and for extortion?

What load did you think that christ observed in the temple and said that people should come to him that his load is light?

Start having the fear of God and stop the fraud.

Goshen360: I have always said the truth of God's word in love my brother. The reason I "sometimes" mock people is when they try to prove what they don't know. It is some people that actually mock their selves in their statements. Hence, I show them their lope holes.



Since you KNOW the truth in my teaching, why don't you stand for the truth. The truth has no substitute sir. Every Christian that knows the truth of God's word are called to be an Apologist and our main functions are:

1. Proof the truth
2. Defend the truth
3. Refute those who oppose the truth and
4. Persuade others to come to the truth......because only the truth can set people free while falsehood keeps people bound in shackles and hardship.

My brother, please stand for the truth if you KNOW it.....like you said. On the contrary, to teach people the truth of tithe is what is borne out of love. Are you saying those who teach false teaching of monetary tithing are those teaching it out of love They have subtly manufactured monetary tithing which is not the original and biblical tithing as you said. Even the biblical tithing as we know is gone! Only giving is taught to the NT church and therein is the truth.



You deliberately left out the second part of the scripture I quoted and only took unto the first part. If you are referring to the first part of that scripture, how about the second part for the word of God is a two-edged sword. The second part says,

"for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law." Galatians 3:10.

I just said what the word of God said. This is the issue with the law - when the whole (ALL) is NOT observed or obeyed, the scripture places such under a curse. It is NOT the curse of Malachi 3:9-10 that put a Christian under curse for it wasn't written to a Christian in the first place BUT the curse of picking "some" aspects of the law to obey and the ones not to obey. It doesn't work that way.



What you have said here is half truth. To add to it, Christians (Gentiles believers) are NEVER under the law in the first place. It was the Jews and the bible makes it very clear. Even at that, the law was to train the minds of the Jews in obedience and to bring them to Christ. Since christ already came, the law had finished its course and ended. Why tell Christians to keep the law they were NOT given to them. The ONLY laws given to Christian is the law of Christ and it is called the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Take a look at this,

New International Version (©1984)
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. Romans 2:14

New International Version (©1984)
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.

New Living Translation (©2007)
When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ. - I Corinthians 9:21

New International Version (©1984)
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Galatians 3:24-25

New International Version (©1984)
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God. - Romans 10:4



It is the false tithe teachers that teach that people are cursed when they don't tithe. The truth you still need to understand is NOT whether it is compulsory or not, it is that it was NEVER commanded to Christians. Even the crops and animals tithe that was commanded to the Jews had ended and nullified as recorded in Hebrews 7. If you still believe it should be paid, then you are contradicting scriptures and should also teach people to obey other laws as commanded, NOT just tithing but also, animal sacrifice, stoning people to death etc.



Truth, as Abraham did it WITHOUT ANYONE TELLING HIM. Very Good. Sir, you need to sit down and really digest Hebrews 7. What Abraham did was "spiritualized" with what was commanded to Levi and both nullified. Abraham wasn't justified by paying tithe sir in that he was rich before his act of tithe. These men of God says tithing is what makes you rich and bless. This is heresy!



who threatens people with curse and not telling them to obey other laws. What we do as an Apologist is to open the eyes of those who are willing to follow the truth. It is NOT polluting people's mind not to pay, it is opening their eyes to the truth that they are not meant to do such practice in the first place and not to talk of the curse they are being threatened with. My brother, follow Christ and forget this false tithe teaching for its foundation is Greed and the love of money.

love you bro.

The Truth is bitter to thieves.

Zikkyy: Jo is not always truthful when it comes to cashflow.

^^^
this got me rolling and laughing in chinese language.

Jo that says that he has more revelation than Isaiah

Greed is a big virus.
*Sigh*

joe4christ: [size=15pt] One thing i've come to realise is that there are certain spiritual truth that cannot be deciphered by one self except through the holy spirit, it seems this truth are coded, even when they seems open, it's actually open to those who have had a revelation in that regard.
The Godhead is a mystery, it is one of the deep things of God Jesus was talking about when he said ''the holy spirit would reveal to you the deeper things of the kingdom of God - John 14:26, John 16:13

Now finally before i quit arguing over this same matter for the good of everybody even as the lord has told me to,
now here is my last question to you frosbel and your cohorts,
[size=15pt] Can you please explain to me why God the father himself testified by calling Jesus God according to Hebrew 1:8 ''Your throne o God endures forever and ever'' or are u desputing the fact that God actually said that?
My final explanation: when the father refers to Jesus as God he is actually talking about the deity of christ in regards to the Godhead but when he said ''your God, even your God has anointed you'' he is talking about Christ (The anointed one, the lamb of God that was made as the sacrificial lamb of sacrifice for the sins of the world) and many atime Jesus speaks both as man and as God, even we the children of God atimes do speak under the influence of the holy spirit some deep things without even knowing it while most atimes we speak as mortals, I wish i could make you see the light yourself but i know it would be futile to do so, cos if the holy spirit himself do not reveal it to then there's actually nothing i or anybody can do to help, i realy wished i could or rather i wished you would humble yourself and go on your knees in prayer to our heavenly father to give a revelation about who Jesus truly is, God will show you, cos it's not the will of God that you continue in ignorance, remember even God said ''my people perish for lack of knowledge'', please seek the face of God on this matter and he will through his spirit reveal the truth to you. [/size]
God bless you!!! [/size]

God reveal truth is definitely not the lie called trinity.

Digriz: No one knows.

but God knows.

And the bible is God's word.

seyibrown: Do not confuse physical death with spiritual death. Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is (spiritual/eternal) death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. You get eternal life or eternal death. If the death referred to in Romans 6:23 was physical death and sinners died a physical death because of sin then we would expect righteous people not to die a physical death.

i dont seem to get you!

Are you saying that the eternal life is not physical eternal life?

Then read Rev 21:4.

Krucifax: The more interesting question is how will God judge non-Christians? Or is every person of other faiths doomed to damnation?

not when a witness have been served.

What do you think is the value of Jesus at matthew 24:14?
"and this good news of the kingdom must be preached as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come"

^^^ almighty God is a God of fair justice.

The reason for all this is not to kill people but to return man back to the initial state that Adam was and to help man and angels to see the reason in sticking with the almighty God's direction and not to chant a rebellious course again.

Enigma: Isaiah 44:6


Revelation 2:8

bros, you can do better than this i know,
Why limit yourself?

Is lord a name or a title?

Then the question comes, which lord.

The Supreme court judge, or Yaweh, or Jesus christ?

Afteral, they are all call judge

Judge is not a name, so, dont used that ^^^ to proof something as important as this.
From the context fined out who it is refering to pls.
Peace.

DP

Mintayo: may God forgive you!
Pls stop this heresy,no body paying tithe is under a curse but those that don't pay!
It is not obeying the law that bring curse but it is BELIEVING that you can be right with God by obeying the law that bring abt curses!
TITHE IS NOT A DEBT YOU OWE BUT A SEED YOU SOW!

Malachi 3:10 is not a law but a direct WORD from the Lord Himself!

Pls stop misleading pple with this your 'curse and law things',it is wrong!

And pls as a christain,why not seek God's face on these instead!

please can you show me one christian law in the OT that say that christians should pay tith?

Can you show me an apostle that collected tith?

Can you show me an apostle that paid tith?

Did they forgot to give and forgot to collect tith?

Thief!

Mz nAirA: God dosent receive it directly. Tithes are used in the development of the work of God like building etc. Any pastor dat spends the money of God is asking for hell

tith is not needed, it is voluntary offering that is needed.

Christians are not under compulsion.

The law has been changed.

swtchicgurl: you know, i'm not an expert at quoting and misquoting people here on nairaland. if Jesus fulfilled the law, it is because he wants us to follow his example by doing the same. i still insist, pray that God opens the eyes and heart of your understanding!

blind woman telling another is blind..

Psalm 147:19,20
the law was given to the Jews alone. God has not done that to any other nation.

Aside the Jews, the rest people are gentiles and the law is not for us.

Beside tith is not for christians.

If you dont do animal sacrifice and you wat to do tith then you are a thief!

rhemaplus: Goshen: I have followed u for a while now, especially on tithe issues. The way u convey ur truth is not holistic. Truth should be said in love n not to show knowledge or by mockery. Yes, it is true that no one pays tithe the way it is done in the O.T; yes, it is also true that old testament tithe is mainly crops and not monetary but to assert that for this reasons people should not pay tithe is not borne out of Love. You said anyone who pays tithe is under curse, not true. The bible made it clear just as u have quoted it that only those who THINK that by keeping the law would they be made right are under the curse. It is not the act that makes u under the curse but the motive. The Law is good, infact the reason the law was set aside was not cos it wasn't good, The law is perfect in itself, the only problem it had was that it was our inability to keep it. The truth I think we should preach is not that people should not pay tithe, rather that God does not curse a man cos he doesn't pay tithe. Except we want to be hypocritical, in as much that I don't believe that tithe should be mandatory, I believe it should be paid. Abraham did without anyone telling him, I can choose to do the same as far as I believe it is a way by which I can contribute to the progress of the local church I attend. What should be the big deal in that? Leave people to their consciences and stop puncturing it. If u have knowledge, remember, not everyone does in the same proportion. The church should not threaten with a curse for the defaulters cos Jesus has been made curse for us and Jesus said, look at the birds of the air, they don't sow nor reap and are fed, how much more will he do to us and also pls, stop polluting people's mind not to pay for If they do, it is not a sin and if they do in faith, it would be accorded unto them as righteousness.

see the way your mouth is running, professional Theif.

Why not continue doing the payment and leave others out of it?

Truth be said, you dont pay tith but you received tith and you are a fraud since your source money is at risk, tith is not for christians.

Get a job, then you can contribut to the society also.

Tith is part of the law that has been abolished but your greed made you to still keep it, so you are under a curse, infact you are cursed for exploiting people.

All this Theif pastors that cries when they hear stop tith.

swtchicgurl: goshen360 and pastor kun, u guys baffle me with your analyses of the Bible.

i strongly suggest you take some more time to ask the Holy Spirit for guidance when you study your Bible. "Harden not your heart in provocation.....", also, "Jesus didn't come to condemn the law but to fulfil it."

cheers

did you read what they wrote or "your spirit" blinded you to it?

You quoted your deceitful spirit to deceive the poor that contribut their money for you to eat.

Which spirit is needed for this truth again here in black and white?
it is the truth of God's word that set men free?

Thief!

Femmymata2: whether the G.O buys 10jets,100luxurious cars,50mansion e.t.c with your tithe or offering it is not ur biz because God is not complaining. The most important thing is for u to continue paying ur tithe to God through ur (don't touch my anointed)jetflying pastors so that u'll not burn in the lake of hell fire forever. I don't pay tithe meaning i've a nice room in hell where i'll be burning 4ever, pls don't be like me

church worker!