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thehomer: If it isn't a science textbook, then why refer to it for scientific information? That italicized part of your sentence makes no sense.

wiegraf: Just for giggles

"The flatworms "fence" using two-headed dagger-like joysticks which are pointed, and white in color. The mating ritual involves a violent battle during which two hermaphroditic flatworms attempt to pierce the skin of one another with one of their joysticks. The "winner" is the organism that inseminates the other; the winner becomes the father. The sperm is absorbed through pores in the skin, causing fertilization in the "loser," who becomes the mother.[2][3][4]

Child-bearing, while necessary for successful offspring production, requires a considerable parental investment in time and energy, and according to Bateman's principle, almost always burdens the "mother". Thus, from a biological point of view, it is preferable to be the father rather than the mother. However, there are other hermaphroditic species where both partners try to be inseminated rather than to inseminate."

Look at them go!! ON GUARD!!

truthislight: morality and religion are not things we learn from nature but we get education from nature, that is why we want our human brothers to learn.

Religion and morality are strictly a human thing.

onetrack: Is MouthAction also unnatural? Should practitioners be imprisoned so that they can be prevented from doing this?

plaetton: My position is quite simple.

That the ancient Hebrew culture and religion were never monotheistic, and that monotheism as an ideal was arrived quite late in their history.
That Yahweh was one, and perhaps a junior god in the Canaanite pantheon of gods.
That the bible clearly and unambigously repeats that the Elohim(plural for El) created mankind to till the soil(in other words, a slave race)

That one or a group of the Elohim had better plans for mankind, and therefore granted or gave mankind an enhanced mental ability to think, imagine and be creative.
That this did not go down well with Yahweh and his own crew of Elohim. And that out of fear of the potentials of the human being, Yahweh and his crew sought and used various means to enslave the human mind, human imagination, creativity and potentials.
The garden of eden incident with adam and the serpent(he who knows secrets) and the tower of babel incident clearly demonstrate these facts.

That the so-called gods fought amongst themselves about what should the future of mankind.
That eventually the earth was divided among the Elohim with each god or clan of gods inheriting a portion of the earth and its people.
The bible emphasises again that Yahweh/Jehovah inherited some portions, perhaps a very small portion, of the land of Canaan.
That perhaps , either the inhabitants were already serving other rival gods, or, they did not want to serve Jahweh(obviously because of his bad reputations), Yahweh decided to adopt a tribe of Israelites who were languishing in Egypt, as his own people to serve him alone in his small canaanite domain.
Again, following the bible, we read, that Yahweh took them to the wilderness for 40 yrs in order purge them of all traces of Egyptian and Canaanite cultures and influence. In that time he alone killed more than 40,000 of them, with the ultimate aim of starting with a fresh generation that he could mould according to his will.

According tot he bible, yahweh then commanded them to begin their campaigns of genocide of the weaker habitants of the areas along the way as he led them to his own inherited land. Is it possible for a loving creator god of the universe to command some of is children to murder and pillage his other children?.

We also see very clearly in the bible, that the Israelites feared yahweh, but did not like nor respect him.
At any given opportunity, they served and made supplications to other gods such as Ashera, who was believed to be the consort of yahweh, El or El-Elyon, the most senior god and who was believed to be head of the supreme council of gods(psalms 82),Baal, a junior god who was believed to be the son of EL-elyon, Lilith, who was the queen of heaven mentioned severally in jeremiah, and also believed to be the daughter of one of the gods, yahweh or El-elyon.
In addition, the Israelites served and worshipped gods from Egypt. Even king Solomon,supposedly the wisest man that ever lived(big laugh) saw it wise to serve other gods besides yahweh. Is that an irony or what?

Repeatedly in the bible, we hear yahweh say to the Israelite," I am your god and you are my people". And in return, the Israelite affirmed him as "our god, the god of Israel".
In ancient Summer, as well as in Egypt, Babylon and Canaan, kings adopted the epithets of their patron gods to show their allegiance to that particular diety. for example in Epytp we see pharaohs like Amen-Hotep, Amenra being the patron god. or, Ptah-Hotep with the supreme Egyptian god Ptah being the patron of this pharoah. Likewise the israelite kings had Jah at the beginning of their names to emphasize their allegiance to jahovah.

In Babylon we had Nebu as the patron god when Nebu-chadnezzar as the king. therefore it is grossly fallacious and mere fantasy to propose that Nebu-chadnezzar, king of babylon and servant of Nebu, could have , at any time , served the interest of yahweh. Pure nonsense. The hebrew scribes in babylon had to fine a means to justify the failure of yahweh to save them from the destruction and exile in babylon, so they rationalized, much like many nairaland yahwehists, that yahweh only allowed it to happen because he wanted to.
Big laugh.

A lot of the Summerian,Babylonian , Canaanite and Egyptian gods are mentioned or referred to in the bible.
Examples, Tammuz or Dammuzzi,Merodach or Marduk, Nebo, Hadad,Nergal, Ashera/Innana/Ishtar, Baal, Lilith the queen of heaven,Sin,El-shadai, the great mountain lord, Adonai,El-elyon.

These are some of the members of the great council of the gods which yahweh?jehovah attended according to psalms 82.
Since Yahweh was not itself a name of a god, it is possible that and has been speculated that Yahweh's identity might be, and closely resemble a few of the junior Summerian gods such as Teshub,Hadad,Ishkur or even the senior god Ninurta the scorcher. According to summerian texts these four gods had a hatred for mankind, all were rivals of the Babylonian gods Marduk and Nebo and the Egyptian god Amen-Ra. Besides, they write that it was the Ninurta the scorcher, who unleashed the seven deadly weapons on the twin cities of Sodom and Gormorrah, as punishment for switching allegiance to Marduk during the battle of kings briefly mentioned in Genesis 14. that war was a proxy war by the kings on behalf of their patron gods in what seemd like a territorial dispute among the gods.

So my position is very simple:
The ancient Hebrew culture and religion were never monotheistic. The bible abundantly makes it clear.
Yahweh/Jehova was just of the pantheon gods of Summer, Babylon, and then later Canaan.
The idea that yahhweh and the Universal god that Jesus spoke about are one and the same is the most absurd notion, and biggest con game ever, and the jews never bought it to this day.

damilarelr: That means Abraham wasn't practising the LAW when he paid tithe to Melchizedek, am I right?

damilarelr: @Goshen360, did Abraham live under the LAW or GRACE?

seyibrown: Sorry, truthislight, the bolded is an erroneous interpretation of Romans 6:23! Physical death is not the wages of sin. If it were, righteous people will not die at all in the physical. Physical death does not absolve man of his accountability to God. (John 5: 29 - 'and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned' )

Goshen360: You fully agree that God CANNOT have spirit just like we human do have spirit. What this means BUT you don't want to agree is that, the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father. In case you still are not clear, let me use "logic" to confuse you the more (or convey my the truth I want you to see from scriptures) with this scripture and you will see how using logic can be dangerous to the interpretation of scriptures. Take a look at this scripture and let use logic for now and we come back using scripture-to-scripture interpretation rather than logic,

New International Version (©1984)
How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! - Hebrews 9:14

Using logic (bearing in mind that God, the Father is Spirit), this scripture will read thus:

"How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God Spirit, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God Spirit!

I have replaced "God" with "Spirit" (since God is Spirit) as shown in "RED COLOUR", you have it above........How does this scripture read to you, Frosbel Does it make sense by logic ...............

Goshen360: @Frosbel
In case you still are not clear, let me use "logic" to confuse you the more

Seewealth: all of you are talking from Christianity point of view. have you ever thought of others whose religions are not Christianity. according to the bible, there is NO OTHER WAY to God except through Christ. this means all other religions are deceiving themselves, hence MUST go to hell for not going through Christ.Christians are only about 1/3 of world population. these people also believe in their religion with passion the way you do.remember if you were not born into a christian family, you wouldn't be a christian. think about it and please don't pretend you don't know that other religions exist.

Maximus85: God didn't create evil. God didn't create Satan. He created an angel that got jealous of his creator. He made himself Satan. Just like when a man gives birth to a boy and he named in John, if the boy grow up to be a thief, would you say that man gave birth to a thief? No! He gave birth to a boy who turned himself to a thief.

That God can stop evil right away...YES he can but he wouldn't. Why? Satan called God a liar and he said he can rule the earth better that the Creator..God!
God been a God of Justice has allowed Satan to Prove his point so that when God Finally destroy him, it will be justified.

Remember that there are millions of Angels in Heaven whom Satan was formerly one of. If God had destroyed Satan when he deceived Adam and Eve, don't you think some angels might be thinking maybe Satan was right and that God destroy him so that the truth won't come out? And others might even stand up to cause another opposition against God.

Here is the reason why God is allowing all these evil to happen and very soon, Satan case will be judged with millions of evidence. Then justice will be served. Causing something to happen and Allowing something to happen are two different issues.

If God is making things work perfectly for us while Satan is still the ruler of this earth, wouldn't God be helping his enemy? How will Satan be proved to be a failure.

If you are a teacher and a student stand up to say what you are teaching is wrong, do you just send him out of the class? If you do...some student will be like..."Dis teacher no want make we know say him no sabi this thing well" but when you allow that student to prove himself and after his failure, you..sending him out off the class will solved the case justifiably. No other student will ever try to oppose you because you have proven that you are the teacher and the head of the class.

Logicboy03: Really? Didnt one of your prophets marry a harlot?

/who told you that only virgins got married in those days?


Didnt one of your prophets/kings in the old testament also takeanother mans wife after sending the husband to his death?



Lol...I'm too much for Frosbel

seyibrown: Sorry, truthislight, the bolded is an erroneous interpretation of Romans 6:23! Physical death is not the wages of sin. If it were, righteous people will not die at all in the physical. Physical death does not absolve man of his accountability to God. (John 5: 29 - 'and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned' )

seyibrown: Your physical death does not erase your sin. (Hebrews 9: 27 - 'And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:')

Those who die a physical death will still rise to be judged (John 5: 29 - 'and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned' ). Physical death is not the 'wages of sin' referred to in Romans 6:23; Eternal/Spiritual/Second death is. It is the Second death eradicates the sin and the sinner.

ecoleco: This is a great contribution by truthislight. Thanks for taking the pain to respond.
Your comment my brother, suggests that the resurrection of the unjust will happen first, then the 1000yrs of Christ reign so that the unjust will have an opportunity to accept or reject Christ. Then finally their judgment described in Revelation 21. This is an option I have never really looked at in details. Thanks for suggesting that option. I will look at it in details.

ecoleco: This is a great contribution by truthislight. Thanks for taking the pain to respond.
Your comment my brother, suggests that the resurrection of the unjust will happen first, then the 1000yrs of Christ reign so that the unjust will have an opportunity to accept or reject Christ. Then finally their judgment described in Revelation 21. This is an option I have never really looked at in details. Thanks for suggesting that option. I will look at it in details.

Stalwert: Off course jesus shouting my lord my lord why have though forsaken clearly means he wasn't even prepared to die!

Frosbel should throw away the bible and pick the Qur'an in which instructions are clearly written, not 50% dead or alive!

tintingz: you mean Jonah died by that sign?? Good!
@frosbel. . .me no buy that your article or story you posted. . .i only want to know if Jesus didn't know Jonah is alive in the fish belly before giving that prophecy or he knows what he meant by using Jonah sign for his prophecy . . .cuz as will all know Jonah was alive in the fish belly for 3days and night.

swtcharissa: Plz u guys shud shut up,y castigating a man of God?is he forcing u to pay?or to become a partner?r there no categories for what one can pay?do u guys knw wat it is to actually sow?ask ple who did d previous partnership n they will tell u tremendious testimonies,do u know that there r some tins God does for one as a result of dat person past sowing,plz plz plz,dnt inflict urself with problems by speaking ill of God's child

aremzyolly: I dont think this is the real website..I checked all the updates on that site and all i can say is that this is a cloned webpage and not the real one..The contact us form on the site which you pasted do not have a valid email address and phone number and only comes with 2 address.. the lagos branch and the redemption camp.. try and check the main rccg site and see the contact form... http://www.rccg.org/contact.php

2. Rccg laways have events lined up till december check here http://www.rccg.org/event.php but the other site do not have any upcoming events which i can conclude that the webmaster do not have any of their listed programmes and i dodnt even think he is a christian.

many other points but to make m conclusion..I am also a webmaster and the site look very very fake!!! gbagaun!!!

lorddannie: Covenant offerings are not bribes to God for long live. but God sometimes feel compelled to do some uncommon things to givers. The case of Hezekiah is a classical one. God extended the life of Hezekiah because of his offerings and good works. See 2chronicles 31;2-12 and 2kings 20;1-6

lorddannie: contributing to the household of God does not stop one from giving voluntarily to people in need; the bible encourage it and Christians practice. No body tries to bribe God, Christians know that. Check my post above. Read Matthew 25:40-45

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

futurehome: Hello sir, Did you read 2 Tim 4 from the first verse to the end?
My advice is that you read and meditate the scriptures not just contextual.

The essence of seeding and covenant partnership is to raise funds for Gospel work.
May God grant you understanding in JESUS NAME.

lorddannie: The payment of offerings and tithe has been an integral parts of biblical doctrines. Offerings come in various forms; covenant offering, seed offerings, first-fruits, heave, wave, offerings to support God's work, to support God's servants, for building of the church of God, to assist the less privilege, orphans widows etc. Christians do not give offerings to sponsor terrorism, extremists, religious bigots and fanatics or procure IEDs and ammunition. People give offering according to their abilities; Tithe may be 10% or more (Jesus accepted and commended an old woman for her offering; an old coin which was all she had), as the giver wishes to some give ALL, others old coin. So there no abuse, or force or compulsion in it. our jealousy maY be due to the abundance that results from there offerings, but bible acknowledge the fact that it would result in plenty(Malachi 3;1-10). Jesus has never spoken against offerings or tithes of whatever kind. The book of ACTs 4;33-37, ACTs 5;1-11, reported that people sold their lands and houses and gave the money to the missionary. Acts 5:4 specifically showed that there is no compulsion in giving offerings "...was the land yours before you sold it? after it was sold you could have done what you wanted to do with the money..." Even God have his only begotten sold, as a covenant offering. When God required Isaac from Abraham was it not his all?
So Dear Mosquito and his misguided followers who blindly clicked the "like" button, keep your agnosticism to your good self and stop spreading heresy and blasphemy. You may kindly read the verses for your admonition and be guided;
q Prov 22:9 (Generous man will be blessed)

q Prov 28:22 (Stingy man is eager to get rich, but gets poverty)

q Prov 28:27 (Give and have enough, withhold and be cursed)

q Matt 6:25-34 (Don’t worry, but seek first the kingdom of God)

q Mark 12:41-44 (Rich people giving and the widow’s mite)

q Deut 16:10 (Give in proportion to the blessings the Lord has given you)

q Deut 16:16 (No man should appear before the Lord empty-handed)

q Deut 16:17 (Each person should give in proportion to the way God has blessed them)

q 1 Cor 16:2 (On the first day of each week, give according to God’s blessing)

q 1 Tim 6:6-11 (Cautions about the materialism and the love of money)

q 1 Tim 6:17-19 (Instructions to be generous and willing to share)

q 1 Sam 30:24 (Those who stay with the supplies share with those on the front lines)

q Matt 6:19-21 (Do not store up for yourselves treasure on earth – heart & treasure linked)

q Heb 6:10 (God is not unfair, He will not forget the help you gave)

q Isa 32:8 (Noble man makes noble plans)

q Acts 2:44-45 (Believers had everything in common)

q Acts 4:34-37 (No needy persons. Sale of lands and houses.)

q Rom 12:13 (Share with God's people who are in need)

q Heb 13:16 (Don’t forget to do good and share with others)

q I Jn 3:17 (Do you see brothers in need – help them)

q Luke 18:22-25 (Rich man turns away from Jesus)

q Gal 6:6 (Support financially those who teach you the Word of God)

q Matt 25:35-40 (Helping the least of the brethren is helping Jesus)

Acts 20:35 (It is more blessed to given than to receive)
Mal 1:6-14 (Malachi’s rebuke for bringing bad offerings)

q Hag 1:4-11 (Haggai’s giving challenge)

q 1 Chr 29:2-9 (David’s generous gift & giving challenge)

q 1 Chr 29:11-17 (Everything we have and gives comes from God)

q Luke 6:38 (Give and God will see others give to you)

q 2 Cor 8:2-21 (Rich generosity in the midst of extreme poverty)

q 2 Cor 9:5-15 (God loves a cheerful giver)

q Deut 28:12-13, 43-45 (Blessings & curses for obedience)

q Ps 50:9-12 (God owns everything)

q Prov 11:24-25 (Generosity is the pathway for more)

q Prov 18:9 (Slackness in giving is the same as destroying things)

Gen 14:19 (Abraham’s give of 10%)

q Gen 28:20-22 (Jacob decision to give 10% to God)

q Exod 35:4-29 (Moses and the people’s gifts to build the tabernacle)

q Lev 27:30 (Tithe of everything is the Lord’s)

q Lev 27:32 (Every tenth animal is the Lord’s)

q Num 18:21 (Tithes support ministers of God)

q Deut 12:5-7 (Tithes, special gifts, freewill offerings)

Malachi 3:7-12
7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 [b]Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.[/b]

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in q 2 Chr 31:2-12 (Hezekiah generosity & giving instructions)

q Neh 10:35-37 (Nehemiah’s giving instructions)

q Neh 12:43-47 (Faithful giving to God’s ministers)

q Neh 13:11-13 (Nehemiah’s rebuke & the results)

q Mal 3:7-12 (Holding back tithes & offerings is stealing from God)

q Matt 23:23 (Jesus’ affirmation of tithing)

q Luke 11:42 (Jesus’ affirmation of tithing)

q I Kings 17:8-16 (Elijah and the starving widow)

q Deut 8:18 (God gives people ability to produce wealth)

q Prov 3:9-10 (Honor the Lord with your wealth & firstfruits)

wolero7: I am not a Redeemer neither a partner. Some peoples life will have been better if only they watch and speak wisely concerning issues they know nothing about. Giving whatever you have to God is a choice, i don't know why some people feel offended about it especially when you are not a member, the information was on the RCCG website page, not yours . Well through the ages,The christian faith has been buffeted by different form of criticism or the other. In all this , we have watch and let our God be the judge. Still here we stand. Thread starter, and all that has freely mock THE GOD OF RCCG, you will all give account of foolish words you have spoken. If the issue here was about a Muslim organization, am sure this Thread will have been removed.

swtcharissa: Plz u guys shud shut up,y castigating a man of God?is he forcing u to pay?or to become a partner?r there no categories for what one can pay?do u guys knw wat it is to actually sow?ask ple who did d previous partnership n they will tell u tremendious testimonies,do u know that there r some tins God does for one as a result of dat person past sowing,plz plz plz,dnt inflict urself with problems by speaking ill of God's child

braveheart2012: I had a family friend who was a covenant partner in Group Ten. I don't want to give more details about her because people will know who I am talking about. Anyway, she died in a helicopter crash during the 10 years of covenant. I am not God to know exactly why He allowed her to die, but I was pretty shocked because she was very close to Papa Adeboye and according to what I heard, he didn't attend her funeral. I am only saying what I know as a human being; I am sure God knows all the details and understands the situation. I just wanted to share the story as a cautionary tale against giving lots of money to a church in hopes of protection.

Baraac: YOU JUST CONFIRMED AGAIN THAT YOU DON'T THINK NOETICALLY

NNBB2012: I'm a convenant partner and I pay mine in dollar. I'm really delighted that I'm doing that. A carnal man can not and can never understand the things of the Spirit. Over the ages, Men and women have supported God's work,men of God and their ministries. Our dispensation can not be an exception. Why are you disturbed because some people that have understanding of this are paying? Why not just keep your mouth shut, if you don't understand the things of the spirit? My prayer is that God will open your eyes to see the light.

Kay 17: A traditional minded society which seeks for conformity, will find homosexuality, feminine independence, free thinking abnormal and justify its condemnation of it.

Look @ the globe, societies that disagree with homosexuality are conservative African, Middle East, Bible belt regions.

Kay 17: Both as a ritual and a set of foundational beliefs.

Do you consider Nature to dictate moral principles to man?